James DiEugenio

There were supposed to be no Americans in the landing party, but there were. Against what JFK wanted. And no I am mot suggesting JFK sabotaged the operation. What I am saying is that he was deceived about its probability of success for many reasons. For examples Dulles never let Kennedy take the actual drafted plans home with him. I think that was done since Dulles knew about Kennedy's naval experience. Kennedy was also lied to about defectors. Of which there were none. When Bobby Kennedy and JFK got hold of the Kirkpatrick Report, that was finis for Dulles, Cabell, and Bissell. Kirkpatrick completely riddled the whole operation from start to finish.

See, as Fletcher Prouty said, Kennedy was willing to accept failure at the Bay of Pigs and in Vietnam. The first was a precursor to the second. This goes back to a hallmark of his developed early. America should not use its military to beat up on Third World countries.

Its pretty simple. There were to be no Americans involved. Period. Kennedy announced that a week before. Secondly, Kennedy pulled back on the D Day air strikes. They were only to be done from a landing strip inside the beachhead. Since there was no beachhead, since there was no surprise element--I mean it was in the Ny TImes-- there were no D Day air strikes. Without those three elements, the project was doomed. And Dulles and Bissell knew it. They thought Kennedy would cave when he saw it failing and order air strikes and Marines to go in. He did not, thus making sure it would fail.

None of the above would have happened if Kennedy had lived. Nasser realized that LBJ had changed policy in the area to favor Israel. In fact, the night Kennedy died, Nasser could not sleep.

Shirley Martin was one of the best of the early researchers in America, and was very trustworthy. Its a shame she has been all but forgotten. But she is in John Kelin's wonderful book, Praise from a Future Generation. If you hvae not read it, you should its is quite good. It would make a fine miniseries.

More on Gus Russo: https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/who-is-gus-russo-2 Secondly, we will never know about the true number of missing people after the shooting because there was really no formal roll call. And this has been shown by more than one researcher like Mark Bridger.

When we start putting Litwin on this site, we should all hang our heads. Also, this is wrong, as is much of what Gus Russo writes and talks about; I read Russo’s Die by the Sword and I agree that Cuba has far more to do with the JFK assassination than Vietnam. The Kennedys wanted Cuba off the table by the 1964 election. They were pursuing a dual-track of reaching out through back channels as well as assassination. The ARRB proved with the declassification of the CIA IG report that the plots to kill Castro were CIA operations that were deliberately kept from each and every president for their duration, from 1960-65. Also, the ARRB declassifications proved that by 1963 Kennedy was getting out of Vietnam, no ifs, ands or buts about it. LBJ was cognizant of this withdrawal, and he purposefully reversed it within three months of Kennedy's death. Gus Russo is one of the very worst sources on Kennedy's presidency. He switched sides along with his buddy Dale M, and they then did that disgraceful PBS show in 1993. Ask Pat Speer about the stunt PBS pulled with that Rusty L print. They then got even worse with that ludicrous Dale M proclamation about the Single Bullet Fact for Jennings. Russo then pulled a triple for Brokaw at the fiftieth.👎

Its not true about JFK being more disappointed in the BOP failing than in the fact he had approved it. One of his most famous quotes after was : How could I have been so stupid as to let them go. In other words, the approval was wrong. And it was the restrictions he put on it that guaranteed it would not succeed.

The connection to Sirhan is wrong. According to the late Phil Melanson, the diary entry was made before the speech was known in LA. And the difference in policy between JFK and LBJ in the Middle East was dramatic. This will be a primary focus of my JFK and the Neocons Part 4.

Nixon and JFK were not even close in foreign policy. For example, in Indochina, Nixon's policy was pretty close to nuttiness. In a mad move to try and get a Korea type settlement he invaded both Cambodia and Laos. With horrendous results. He dropped more bomb tonnage over the area than Johnson did. And he deliberately extended a war he knew he could not win for purely political purposes. In the Middle East, again compared to Kennedy, he did not give two cents about Israel and its atomic arsenal and he so much favored them that it started the first oil embargo. So one of the reasons we pay high gas prices is Nixon. Nixon and Kissinger were responsible for three genocides: East Timor, East Pakistan, and the big one in Cambodia.

William, politely, what does this have to do with the Kennedy case? Oh I see, it was in Political discussions.

I was for Cooper since North Carolina is a key state in the south. Its amazing how Biden stepping down has changed the entire dynamic of this race. With Biden, Trump's team thought they were floating toward a rather easy victory. They were counting it like it was a done deal. But now, they seem to have been run over by a semi. They really don't know how to react. Just a lot of flailing around, trying to find something that will stick. And Vance looks like a real liability. And she has not chosen her VP or had her convention yet. After those two events she might come out ahead even past the margin or error.

I will start working on Part 4 this weekend. This nutty Sullivan book is taking a lot of time. But Part 4 will center on the formal burial on JFK's policies and through people like Madeleine Albright, and her benefactor HRC, the triumph of Jackson in the Democratic Party. I will pay special notice to the difference in the relations between HRC, Obama, And Biden with Assad versus Kennedy and Nasser. That is really a good measuring device.

Thanks William. When someone asks who is Monika Wiesak, it makes me want to throw up my hands. Monika wrote what is perhaps the best book about Kennedy's presidency since Jim Douglass, America's Last President. Its been out for over a year, and we had her on BOR twice. There is material in that book you will not find anywhere else.

More on Jackson vs Warnke: https://www.nytimes.com/1977/02/26/archives/warnke-controversy-reflects-wider-issues.html Finally, if you search long enough you will find the video of Jackson cross examining Warnke by going through every single defense system that Warnke opposed. If I recall, it was about nine of them.

More on Jackson vs Warnke: https://www.nytimes.com/1977/03/08/archives/senators-rallying-dissent-on-warnke.html

Jackson vs Warnke: Carter capped these by naming Paul Warnke as head of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency and chief weapons negotiator. As chief defense-policy adviser to McGovern’s 1972 campaign, Warnke had authored a plan to reduce the entire U.S. military by one-third. This appointment was too much for Scoop, and he decided to fight Warnke’s nomination despite the tradition of allowing a new president a honeymoon. Warnke won confirmation in the Senate but only by a vote of 58 to 40. This implied that Scoop would be able to muster the votes to block any arms-control treaty that did not meet his approval since ratification requires a two-thirds vote.

BTW, the reaction I am getting to this is something. Even Monika Wiesak is chiming in. People don't know that, hey Truman ok'd an intervention in Guatemala, but Acheson took it back. And Acheson's ambassador to Iran blamed the coup there on his boss, because Acheson let England take over the driver's seat, so it was inevitable.

Here is Part 3, it just went up. Its about Rumsfeld, Jackson and Strauss. https://substack.com/home/post/p-147174529?source=queue

Kevin it means just what it says. There was going to be a transition to Polaris. Kennedy, quite justifiably, thought it was either taking place or had taken place.

And Kevin, it does matter how bad an idea is in the advisory stage. The job of an advisor is to give all the alternatives. When the decision phase comes, that is the time you voice your opinion. And RFK did so.

This is what i mean: https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/30189-document-19-memorandum-jcs-chairman-maxwell-taylor-secretary-defense-deployment

Kevin: You do the same thing that Larry Tye does with that. Bobby is summing up all the angles of consideration that they can use to counter what the Russians have done. He is not recommending any certain arm of action. As a good advisor he is trying to assemble all the options. And then have the president choose what he wants to do. Anyone can see that they are talking there, Bundy and Ball, and Alexis Johnson about having an excuse to attack the island. In fact, we know that Bobby strongly objected to any overt attack on the island. And this infuriated Acheson. As per the puzzlement on Turkey, that order was originally issued under Ike. Kennedy thought they had been replaced by Polaris.

Kevin: Try getting them to explain RFK’s proposal during a Cuban Missile Crisis EXCOMM meeting to stage a “Remember the Maine” (the exact words used as it was caught on tape) Please give me the references for where this is in The Kennedy Tapes, which is the definitive record of the CMC? For good reason I have Galloway on ignore, but when people quote him I have to look at his stuff. Kennedy did not make any appointments. These were all done by a committee led by Sorenson and its in his book. For example, Rusk was a real disappointment. This is why Kennedy ended up being his own Secretary of State, with his brother as ambassador at large. Dillon was also, which is why Kennedy used James Saxon to counter him and the Fed. As per LIsa Howard, please read Talbot's Brothers, (230-32)

Right before she died, Jackie wrote a note to her son. "I understand the pressure you will forever have to endure as a Kennedy, even though we dragged you into this world as an innocent. You especially have a place in history." I don't think she meant as the publisher of George.