James DiEugenio

Paul, I was the writer and we did address this issue. More than once. Pat, that actually sounds like its logical to me about Blakey's reliance on Guinn to influence Baden. But its odd that Blakey still backs the SBT even though he admits today that Guinn was full of it.

Let me add this about Purdy. It was Purdy who actually was very important is getting the HSCA started. He arranged to Groden to show the Z film to Downing. And it was Downing who then took up the torch to get the HSCA passed. But Ed Lopez told me that once Blakey came in Purdy got religion about the SBT. He and Ed had some strong arguments about this. Ed would raise his arms in his dress shirt and say, "Andy, you cannot get a hole 5 .5 inches from the collar to go up that far!"

Ben, to say this is a large number is an enormous understatement. That is why I asked my question.

He did not go behind the scenes to any great degree, but he did a little. For instance on the whole Ida Dox controversy. It was not just Baden who was involved in that, it was also Purdy and Flanagan.

Yes, that is one reason why I wanted Oliver there to talk about what has happened to the Collections Act that he testified about.

Robert; I have to ask, is this a possibilities list or is this what you really think happened? Its so long in every way that I have to ask that question. And even though I have been studying this case for over three decades, full time, I have never heard of some of the personages.

If anything is krap its the whole SS accidentally killed JFK.

Oliver really liked the anthology The JFK Assassination Chokeholds He did a blurb, gave us a blast out on Twitter and he is going to be on RIchard Syrett's show this Friday night on Coast to Coast with me to talk about the book. We will also talk about how Shout Factory did not even want to bring out a DVD of JFK Revisited, but amazingly it is still in the top ratings--number six right now-- at Amazon for documentaries after well over a year and a half in release. I think that success encouraged them to do a remaster of the 1991 feature film JFK. Which looks much better in color resolution now. Syrett is really well informed on the JFK case. So it should be good, and it reaches a very wide audience. With Oliver it should reach even more.

Thanks for doing this Dave. They got well over a hundred responses, which kind of surprised me. Jeff Meek and Paul Bleau also worked on this. There will be more.

Tim Smith has spent a long, long time studying the House Select Committee public hearings. He found each witness who testified, and studied what they said. I think this is pretty much unprecedented for a book. Its really something how much of what they relied upon has been discredited. Or at least brought into question. And for whatever reason, Odio did not testify. Fonzi worked hard to get her to do so. Was there a more important witness for the public to see? https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/hidden-in-plain-sight-by-tim-smith

Yes that is what I think they did Jamey. Norton did Oswald. No AI.

As per me saying that I like to say MM was not in DC, that is not me saying it. That is writers like Don McGovern and Gary VItacco Robles, based on facts. Not BS or opinion. All one has to do is read the Rollyson/VeVea books. Then you match that up with Kennedy's schedule. See, when you are president that is what you have, a daily schedule. (Not sure if that includes visits to the dog kennels😿) It is simply a matter of comparing the two. MM was not in DC while JFK was president. Reputable authors have compared the two schedules. Or maybe they missed MM in disguise on AF One, right out of David Heymann. VIa Carmen.

Oh please. Now you are trying to bring in instance after instance which has nothing to do with MM. Why? Why are you going so far away from both threads? BTW, I read the article about Whitehead. He said this FIFTY YEARS after the fact. You got it, a HALF CENTURY later. Now why did you not quote what else he said? He said LBJ broke open a bottle of Cutty Sark on the plane and said "Well what's next?" Oh really Bob? Got any other fairy tales. The Kennel keeper? LOL. 😿. Question: if you write a book about the white House from the kennels, how else do you sell any copies? 🤔 Finally, Jackie had that horse back riding event booked for weeks in advance. So no go partner. Why not quote Jeanne Carmen next with MM getting phone calls from Jackie saying stay away from my husband? Woops. He will use that now.

Whew, Rob Reiner, Edward Norton and Daisy RIdley for the 60th? High cotton.

Here is the second installment. I am really surprised no one noticed it.

Daisy Ridley and Edward Norton? Someone just sent me this, it was first broadcast last year. Apparently the consultants were Newman and Morley. Take a listen.

Eddie FIsher? The crazy couple the Katers who tried to black mail Kennedy? When is Lex Cusack coming up again? In other words this is triple hearsay about Jackie suspecting LBJ. From Fisher through Pamela. As per RFK, David Talbot's book Brothers is the best book on RFK and his inquiry into the JFK case. Why ignore that best selling and credible tome for Eddie Fisher? Because he does not name LBJ as someone RFK suspected? Whitehead? Against VeVea and Rollyson. Whew.

One of the more surprising things I discovered while working on this subject was this: Paul Hoch helped research Goddess. You know, Mr. Purity on the JFK case, the man who assails people for taking New Orleans and Jim Garrison as credible. In his acknowledgments, Summers credits Hoch. So I guess Hoch, Mr. Purity did not mind being part of a book with the likes of Jeanne Carmen? Or Robert Slatzer. Whew.

Morrow brought this thread back and hijacked it. Because I was effectively countering him time after time on the other thread. This thread was titled by Mike Griffith. And from the start it was BS. For the simple reason that we know today for sure, through three nationally known pathologists, that MM was not murdered by anyone. We also know through the work of the best writers and researchers in that field--Vitacco Robles, VeVea, McGovern, Churchwell--that there was no "affair" between RFK and MM, and at the most, there was perhaps a one off dalliance between MM and JFK, and Gary VItacco Robles, even disputes that. Since that has no validity, and is in fact a pile of rubbish--and has been shown to be so--what does Robert do? He adds stuff that has nothing to do with MM. And he then modifies the stories he quotes with stuff that is not in the text, and anyone can see that. He then creates stuff that he himself understands did not happen. But then he throws in something else to push his other agenda: hey Evelyn Lincoln thinks Johnson killed Kennedy. Which has about as much evidence behind it as his other attempts at character assassination. Bob, this is one of the better forums there is on the JFK case. If you have nothing to say, except to push your own personal agenda, then its better that you just don't say anything.

I reviewed the book, here it is: https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/jfk-vs-lbj-the-msm-in-overdrive The IG Report is the last word on the plots to kill Castro. They trace the whole history of them, from their originating point back in 1959-60 to the AMLASH plots. The very fact that RFK found out about them by accident shows you all you need to know. If Maheu had not decided to help Giancana spy on his girlfriend in Vegas and if the technician had not screwed up, RFK would not have to have been briefed. But once Hoover told him about the incident in Vegas, RFK asked: what are we doing helping Sam Giancana? The guy I am trying to put in jail? So that is when the CIA had to tell him about these plots that he knew nothing about. They then lied to him and said they were over--when in fact they were ongoing with Roselli and Harvey, and the briefers knew it. Helms really did not like the report. He kept only one copy and demanded the authors get rid of their notes and all other copies they had. The main reason being is the report admits that they cannot use the cover of presidential approval for the acts since they were deliberately kept from Ike, JFK and LBJ. And JFK was adamant on this point. When Smathers, a CIA flunkie, tried to get him to consider the idea, Kennedy actually broke a plate over the table and said he did not want to hear about such things. He then added, the Agency did things behind his back and he was trying to get control of these actions. Well, he did not. And we know what happened.

I found the Mansfield one. Here it is. Even if you don't know anything about acting you can see the difference. Monroe brings a real vitality and professionalism to the role that Mansfield cannot approach.

I posted this awhile back, but to repeat my point about her being a really accomplished and underrated comedienne, just watch what she does with this TV skit with Jack benny. Her facial expressions, her carved delivery of each line, her inflections and her pacing are just first rate. Really exceptional. I saw this same skit performed by Benny and Jayne Mansfield. It was night and day, Monroe was that much better in every way.

BTW, one of the things I discovered while researching this two parter was the work of Sarah Churchwell. Churchwell is a real scholar in the field who wrote a fine book about Monroe. From the time of Mailer and Slatzer, it was really MM who was being character assassinated and this rose to stratospheric heights in the eighties. When you read up on the actual facts, you understand that, first Monroe did not have multiple abortions. In fact, her doctor said she did not have any. She did not have an ongoing decade long menage a trois with the sons of Chaplin and Robinson. There is no evidence of that in their books. Sam Giancana did not have any interest at all in her contract as that novel Double Cross says. She was not a Mob moll, and she was not a honey pot for the CIA. None of the above is true. MM really tried to educate herself by taking UCLA extension classes on literature. Although she was an accomplished comedienne she wanted to be a real actress, that is why she left Hollywood to attend the Actor's Studio. She also wanted to produce her own films, that is why she formed her own company. The first female since Pickford. She was all for civil rights also, she was a real progressive. As Churchwell notes, this is the MM that Oates' Blonde ignores and pretty much eliminates. But yet, this is the real Monroe. In that sense, her tragic drug addiction and her demise, whether it be accidental or deliberate is really a personal and professional tragedy. The latter owing to her doctors failure, as Cyril Wecht noted. Giving someone over 800 pills in two months is not weaning, it is feeding an addiction. BTW, the reason she studied literature is because those are the parts she wanted to play. This is why she did a scene from Anna Christie at the Actor's Studio..

Here is a current article on the case, from the Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/01/uk-us-obstructing-inquiry-death-united-nations-dag-hammarskjold

Another BS story. As I showed, MM was in New York during that convention in preparation for The Misfits. You could have easily found that out if you wanted to. Your tendency to funnel BS stories, from sources like Vidal and Hersh impugns your image on the JFK case. Maybe you do not know that or maybe it just does not matter to you.