Cliff Varnell

This again? The top of the back is never 4 inches below the bottom of anyone’s clothing collars. The claim otherwise is fallacious. Sure, as long as we have JFKA Experts like Pat Speer to micro-analyze the evidence and argue endlessly with Lone Nutters. Acknowledging the T3 back wound is hard on the Expert Class because it renders so many discussions moot.

Good to see Sandy Larsen and Ron Bulman agree with the autopsists about the possibility of a high tech hit on JFK. The resistance to this scenario has long puzzled me. It’s as if the JFKA Critical Community can’t take CIA-Conspiracy for an answer.

Check. HSCA: These densities are felt to be artifact, partly because of their marked density, because there is a similar artifact overlying the body of C7, and because these metallic-like densities were not present on the previous, pre-autopsy film. Therefore, I assume that these are screen artifacts from debris present in the cassette at the time that this film was exposed. </q> Other than the Stare-of-Death autopsy photo what’s the proof there was a “greatly enlarged tracheotomy? I’m not challenging the point, just curious. Glass shows up on x-ray. Check.

And the same with the back shot, another shallow wound in soft tissue?

No challenge of the hairline fracture of the T1 transverse process. There’s only so much smoke they could blow denying the shot from the front.

The bullet holes in JFK’s clothes are too low to associate with the throat wound.

The claim that the wound was caused by a glass shard or a bullet fragment is debunked by the fact glass and metal both show up on x-rays. There was no glass or metal in JFK’s throat. This “speculation” ignores the hairline fracture and airpocket at T1. Ben Cole is adamantly opposed to the Autopsists Scenario of high tech weapons, so much so he pretends all the throat entrance wound witnesses got it wrong and the cervical x-ray doesn’t exist.

Are you sure that’s what the HSCA said? Here’s the HSCA analysis of the cervical x-ray: <quote on, emphasis added> Evaluation of the pre-autopsy film shows that there is some subcutaneous or interstitial air overlying the right C7 and T1 transverse processes. There is disruption of the integrity of the transverse process of T1, which, in comparison with its mate on the opposite side and also with the previously taken film, mentioned above, indicates that there has been a fracture in that area. There is some soft tissue density overlying the apex of the right lung which may be hematoma in that region or other soft tissue swelling. Evaluation of the post-autopsy film shows that there is subcutaneous or interstitial air overlying C7 and T1. The same disruption of T1 right transverse process is still present. On the film of the right side, taken post-autopsy, there are two small metallic densities in the region of the C7 right transverse process. These densities are felt to be artifact, partly because of their marked density, because there is a similar artifact overlying the body of C7, and because these metallic-like densities were not present on the previous, pre-autopsy film. Therefore, I assume that these are screen artifacts from debris present in the cassette at the time that this film was exposed. </q>

Hi Fred. Welcome to the Ed Forum. You ask a great question. JFK suffered two entrance wounds in soft tissue with no exits — in his back at the level of his 3rd thoracic vertebra, and in his throat. No rounds were recovered from those locations during the autopsy. The neck x-ray showed a hairline fracture of the right T1 transverse process, and an airpocket overlaying the right C7/T1 transverse processes. No conventional weapon leaves a wound pattern like that. The autopsists initially speculated JFK was hit in the back with a high tech round which dissolved in the body. For reasons that have long been a mystery to me, this Autopsists’ Scenario has been near universally ignored. The CIA program MKNAOMI employed blood soluble paralytics and toxins. In my book that’s the starting point of any coherent cold case investigation into JFK’s murder. http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/vol1/pdf/ChurchV1_6_Senseney.pdf

Of course not. The chances of Jim knowing about Britpop are nil. He used to refer to Woodstock as a horrible event. Pop culture ain’t his jam. He’s the Oasis of historical research — brittle, whiny and way over-rated.

Thanks Denny. Your input is always appreciated.

Given that Oasis is horribly over-rated, the label is deeply insulting. I think that’s what Jim was going for. Nice one, Jim! That’s my main man Draymond Green! I saw worse assaults on the court back in the 90’s when I was a Dubs season ticket holder. Benoit Benjamin slammed a vicious elbow pile driver on Sarunas Marciulionis’ head that wasn’t even called a foul.

I’ve got A Woman I Know and A Terrible Mistake on order. The “Magic Button” and “How much does Siragusa need to know?” are highly intriguing.

Noel and Liam Gallagher of Oasis. Jim’s a big early 90’s britpop fan. I like Blur and Suede better. Oasis vocals are too whiny. This is their best performance, a Stones cover.

Ron, you and Paul have posted terrific info. Thanks!

Apparently Mr. DiEugenio doesn’t realize the insurrection is on-going. Figures. A few years back he didn’t know what a “news cycle” is. By Mr. DiEugenio’s decree, we cannot question the motives of politicians? Factually incorrect. I pointed out that the goal of Trump-Johnson-Carlson was to return Trump to power and fire all the career civil servants. They’ll cite Allen Dulles as a rationale for turning the CIA into Trump’s personal intel service. I wish Mr. DiEugenio had a better grasp of the political moment. Projection. Criticism of MAGA politicians — it’s over Mr. DiEugenio’s head? Hilarious coming from a guy who wrote 6 hours of JFKA documentary without mentioning the Actual Physical Evidence once. What does CE399 have to do with the murder of JFK? Nothing. So why does Mr. DiEugenio fixate on it? JFK suffered two wounds of entrance in soft tissue, no exits, no bullets recovered. How is it the biggest blow hard know-it-alls haven’t figured out 6.5mm FMJ rounds don’t leave such wounds?

Who is going to stop him? It’s run, I dare say, by people who will refuse to sign loyalty oaths to Trump personally. Trump hates RINOs more than anyone. I didn’t think he ‘d win in ‘16 — how’d that work out? RFKjr is polling high with black males — a potential disaster for Dems. The assassination of JFK was a lurch toward fascism. Maybe RFkjr will help finish the job.

It will be helpful when Dictator Don fires every career CIA official and replaces them with Trump sycophants. The insurrection is ongoing. Ron Johnson is on board with treason.

Over at the EF-JFKA mirror thread Ben Cole wrote: Look: if Adam Schiff or MTG, or Trump or Biden, or other high public office holders say they read two high-quality books on the JFKA, and they think there is merit in those books, than that is news for the EF-JFKA. These statements are as rare as hen's teeth. </q> Since when do we stop questioning the motives of top politicians?

The enemy of our enemy is our friend. For many “The Enemy” is the long dead perpetrators of the JFKA. Wisconsin senator Ron Johnson has announced himself an adversary of the perpetrators of the JFKA, specifically naming Allen Dulles. Many here regard Ron Johnson as a new found friend. Johnson is a member of the MAGA cult, which seeks to return Donald Trump to power with as many government positions as possible filled with Trump sycophants. They plan on cleaning out the intelligence agencies using the JFKA as a rationale. The perpetrators of the JFKA are long gone, but Dictator Don is hard at work.

As long we get to keep this full thread in Political Discussions, I think you made an excellent decision, Sandy.

Two soft tissue entrance wounds, no exits, no bullets. The Magic Button was pushed on Kennedy.

FBN-affiliated assassins armed with high tech weapons, from which the CIA sought distance.