Wim Dankbaar

Reposted from JFKLancer: Instead of waiting in vain for Dr. Truth's "absolute and irrefutable proof" we might want to ask Dr. Truth how extensive the hoax of James Files is and who, apart from Zack Shelton, who started it, is involved and complicit in the hoax? Is John Rademacher involved? (finder of the . 222 shell casings, 6 years before Files confessed) Joe West? (Vernon's respected "friend", now deceased and turning over in his grave by his "pal's" actions) Paul Stimson? (who verified the dentmark on the shellcasing) Tosh Plumlee? (who is skeptical about Files, but verified Roselli was in Dallas that day) Chauncey Holt? (who drove Nicoletti to Dallas, a fact that Files could not have known from public sources) The widow and daughter of Chauncey Holt? Don Ervin? (Houston attorney who represented Files) Shelton's fellow retired FBI agents? (who consider Files credible) Warden Tony Godinez? (who believes Files and was interviewed by Shelton and Vernon) Antoinette Giancana? (who interviewed and believes Files) Michael Cain? (halfbrother of Richard Cain, who confirmed Files was "Nicoletti's boy") Joe Granata (reliable FBI informant, who confirmed Sutton (Files) as one of the shooters, along with Nicoletti) Lois Gibson (forensic facial expert, who confirms Holt as one of the three tramps) Wim Dankbaar (who bought Vernon out on Vernon's insistence for a substantial sum of money) Bob Vernon? (who was duped by them all for over 10 years) And if these people are all involved, how did my friend and partner Zack Shelton steer this "carefully orchestrated hoax" and manipulate all these people into going along with it? Dr. Truth always speaks the truth, has nothing to hide and has already promised to post the "absolute and irrefutable proof" right here. So I guess we can expect a satisfactory reply soon. Wim

Here is a film: http://impiousdigest.com/barr.htm It says (in the text below the movie, when it runs) that on the night of november 21, 1963, Johnson and JFK had a heated argument in the Hotel Texas Ft. Worth. That Johnson insisted that his friend John Connally ride with him (LBJ) in the rear vehicle. That Kennedy refused and was furious. Is there any source or merit to this story? Wim

There is one more. Wim

In 1992 we had a crash in Holland. An El Al 747 cargo Jumbo crashed into an apartment block. I understand this is triple the weight of a Boeing 757, and a much wider wingspan. Look at the damage and wreckage: http://www.amsterdam2000.nl/bijlmerrampfot...ktober19926.JPG http://images.google.nl/images?q=bijlmerra...F-8&sa=N&tab=gi Also, if it was not flight 77, what did they do with the real flight 77? And why did they go through this trouble with a cruise missile or whatever, if they used real 757's for the WTC towers? This would be a blackop involving at least 50-100 people, excluding innocent witnesses and not one of them has talked !! ?? I also understand there are some 100 witnesses, left out of this presentation, who actually saw a 757 or big airliner, some of them pinpointing it as American Airlines. Wim

Jim believes flight 77 did not strike the Pentagon. He sent me this to change my mind: Hey Wim, Check out this brief presentation and then tell me you still believe a Boeing 757 jumbo jet struck the Pentagon: http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf Best regards, Jim Comments welcome.

James, I liked your other photo better. (more covert ) Wim

I disagree respectfully with John here. My belief is that MM was killed by Giancana's men on request of both Kennedy's as she was pregnant with JFK and refused the abortion, unlike Judyth Exner a while before. I'm sorry if this is a blow to the Kennedy admirers. It was to me. Wim

John, I think we won't enjoy any more posts of Mr. Byas. Wim

So Larry...it is wise to be wary. People are not always what they seem. This is where I agree 100% with Jack. We have already seen examples of that right here. Vast interests and powers are connected to this case and thus keeping the truth surpressed. Don't think for a second they would not use any means at their disposal. Wim

Interesting answer, Bill. Why am I an asshole? Because I doubt your sincerity? I do increasingly so. I'm also suspecting you're not posting under your real name and maybe allied with "Dr. Truth". I admit this is pure speculation, based on what I see. You're welcome to prove me wrong. Most active members post some biographical information. Have you done so? If not, John Simkin can lead you to the appropriate URL's on this site. Wim PS: And Steve, it doesn't make any difference what he meant. If you can prove Judyth is telling the truth, you will have proven the case for conspiracy and the lie of the Warren Report. It's as simple as that. For starters, it would prove that Lee was not the lone dissaffected commie nut they still make him out to be. It would prove he was a patriotic hero instead.

Well, I believe the document was declassified by accident. Wim

Logic and evidence command that this Bush is indeed George H.W. Bush. There are other sources showing and saying that Bush was high up in the CIA from at least the early sixties. In addition, his contacts and associates at that time are overwhelming circumstancial evidence to that too. Prescott Bush and Allen Dulles were friends on a firstname basis and there is much more to tell on his connections. A guy that works only 6 months for the CIA in a low rank, is not going to be briefed along with the FBI director, exactly as he says in a sworn affidavit. Bush was never questioned under oath. You may keep believing that George William Bush was lying and shrug it off with "who knows?", but I think you will have a hard sell to the rest of the world. Wim

"That's assuming it's the George Bush of Texas referred to. I'm inclined to believe it was the other George Bush, in which case he and Edwards were probably both in DC and could have met personally with Forsyth." You believ that despite the other Bush's formal denials under oath and his low level position for only 6 months in the CIA? Wim On the day of the Kennedy assassination, FBI records show George Bush as reporting a right-wing member of the Houston Young Republicans for making threatening comments about President Kennedy. According to FBI documents released under the Freedom of Information Act, On November 22, 1963 Mr. GEORGE H.W. BUSH, 5525 Briar, Houston, Texas, telephonically advised that he wanted to relate some hearsay that he had heard in recent weeks, date and source unknown. He advised that one JAMES PARROTT had been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston. PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in politics in the Houston area. According to related FBI documentation, "a check with Secret Service at Houston, Texas revealed that agency had a report that PARROTT stated in 1961 he would kill President Kennedy if he got near him." Here Bush is described as "a reputable businessman." FBI agents were sent to interrogate Parrott's mother, and later James Milton Parrott himself. Parrott had been discharged from the US Air Force for psychiatric reasons in 1959. Parrott had an alibi for the time of the Dallas shootings; he had been in the company of another Republican activist. According to press accounts, Parrott was a member of the right-wing faction of the Houston GOP which was oriented towards the John Birch Society and which opposed Bush's chairmanship. 19 According to the San Francisco Examiner, Bush's press office in August, 1988 first said that Bush had not made any such call, and challenged the authenticity of the FBI documents. Several days later Bush's spokesman said that the candidate "does not recall" placing the call. One day later after he reported Parrott to the FBI, Bush received a highly sensitive, high-level briefing from the Bureau: Date: November 29, 1963 To: Director Bureau of Intelligence and Research Department of State From: John Edgar Hoover, Director Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY NOVEMBER 22, 1963 Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963 advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in US policy, which is not true. Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the US but to all Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba. An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that those individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination. The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W.T. Forsyth of this Bureau. William T. Forsyth, since deceased, was an official of the FBI's Washington headquarters; during the time he was attached to the Bureau's subversive control section, he ran the investigation of Rev. Martin Luther King. Was he also a part of the FBI's harassment of Dr. King? The efforts of journalists to locate Captain Edwards have not been successful. This FBI document identifying George Bush as a CIA agent in November, 1963 was first published by Joseph McBride in The Nation in July, 1988, just before Bush received the Republican nomination for president. McBride's source observed: "I know [bush] was involved in the Caribbean. I know he was involved in the suppression of things after the Kennedy assassination. There was a very definite worry that some Cuban groups were going to move against Castro and attempt to blame it on the CIA." 20 When pressed for confirmation or denial, Bush's spokesman Stephen Hart commented: "Must be another George Bush." Within a short time the CIA itself would peddle the same damage control line. On July 19, 1988 in the wake of wide public attention to the report published in The Nation, CIA spokeswoman Sharron Basso departed from the normal CIA policy of refusing to confirm or deny reports that any person is or was a CIA employee. CIA spokeswoman Basso told the Associated press that the CIA believed that "the record should be clarified." She said that the FBI document "apparently" referred to a George William Bush who had worked in 1963 on the night shift at CIA headquarters, and that "would have been the appropriate place to have received such an FBI report." According to her account, the George William Bush in question had left the CIA to join the Defense Intelligence Agency in 1964. For the CIA to volunteer the name of one of its former employees to the press was a shocking violation of traditional methods, which are supposedly designed to keep such names a closely guarded secret. This revelation may have constituted a violation of federal law. But no exertions were too great when it came to damage control for George Bush. George William Bush had indeed worked for the CIA, the DIA, and the Alexandria, Virginia Department of Public Welfare before joining the Social Security Administration, in whose Arlington, Virginia office he was employed as a claims representative in 1988. George William Bush told The Nation that while at the CIA he was "just a lowly researcher and analyst" who worked with documents and photos and never received interagency briefings. He had never met Forsyth of the FBI or Captain Edwards of the DIA. "So it wasn't me," said George William Bush. 21 Later, George William Bush formalized his denial in a sworn statement to a federal court in Washington, DC. The affidavit acknowledges that while working at CIA headquarters between September 1963 and February 1964, George William Bush was the junior person on a three to four man watch shift which was on duty when Kennedy was shot. But, as George William Bush goes on to say, I have carefully reviewed the FBI memorandum to the Director, Bureau of Intelligence and Research, Department of State dated November 29, 1963 which mentions a Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency....I do not recognize the contents of the memorandum as information furnished to me orally or otherwise during the time I was at the CIA. In fact, during my time at the CIA. I did not receive any oral communications from any government agency of any nature whatsoever. I did not receive any information relating to the Kennedy assassination during my time at the CIA from the FBI. Based on the above, it is my conclusion that I am not the Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency referred to in the memorandum. 22 So we are left with the strong suspicion that the "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" referred to by the FBI is our own George Herbert Walker Bush, who, in addition to his possible contact with Lee Harvey Oswald's controller, may thus also join the ranks of the Kennedy assassination cover-up. It makes perfect sense for George Bush to be called in on a matter involving the Cuban community in Miami, since that is a place where George has traditionally had a constituency. George inherited it from his father, Prescott Bush of Jupiter Island, and later passed it on to his own son, Jeb. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Return to the Table of Contents Chapter 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTES 1- Joseph McBride, "'George Bush,' CIA Operative," The Nation, July 16, 1988. 2- Georgie Anne Geyer, Guerilla Prince (Boston: Little, Brown, 1991). 3- Felix Rogriquez, Shadow Warrior (New York: Simon and Shuster, 1989). 4- On Pluto, see the East German study by Guenter Schumacher, Operation Pluto (Berlin, Deutscher Militaerverlag, 1964). 5- E. Howard Hunt, Give Us This Day (New Rochelle: Arlington House, 1973), p. 214. 6- Secret Agenda. 7- For Operation Zapata, see Michael R. Beschloss, The Crisis Years: Kennedy and Khrushchev, 1960-63 (New York: Edward Burlingame Books, 1991), p. 89. 8- For the names of the ships at the Bay of Pigs, see Quintin Pino Machado, La Batalla de Giron (La Habana: Editorial de Ciencias Sociales, 1983), pp. 79-80. This source quotes one ship as the Barbara J." See also Schumacher, Operation Pluto, pp. 98-99. See also Peter Wyden, Bay of Pigs, The Untold Story (New York: Simon and Shuster, 1979), which also has the Barbara J. According to Quintin Pino macahdo, the Houston had been given the new name of Aguja (Swordfish) and the Barbara that of Barracuda for the purposes of this operation. 9- Howard Hunt, Give Us This Day, pp. 13-14. 10- Theodore Sorenson, Kennedy (New York: Bantam, 1966), p. 329. 11- Sorenson, Kennedy, p. 723. 12- Arthur M. Schlesinger, A Thousand Days (Boston, 1965), p. 339. 13- See Warren Hinckle and William W. Turner, The Fish is Red (New York: Harper and Row, 1981), p. 112 ff. 14- Report to the President by the Commission on CIA Activities Within the United States (Washington: US Goverment Printing Office, 1975), pp. 251-267. 15- Jim Marrs, "Widow disputes suicide," Fort Worth Evening Star-Telegram, May 11, 1978 16- A photocopy of George de Mohrenschildt's personal address book is preserved at the Assassination Archives and Research Center, Washington, DC. The Bush entry is also cited in Mark Lane, Plausible Denial (New York: Thunder's Mouth Press, 1991), p. 332. 17- For de Mohrenschildt, see Mark Lane, Plausible Denial, Edward Jay Epstein, Legend: The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald (London: Hutchinson, 1978); C. Robert Blakey and Richard N. Billings, The Plot to Kill the President (New York: Times Books, 1981); and Robert Sam Anson, "They've Killed The President!" (New York: Bantam, 1975). 18- Report of the Warren Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy (New York: Bantam, 1964), p. 262. 19- Miguel Acoca, "FBI: 'Bush' called about JFK killing," San Francisco Examiner, August 25, 1988. 20- Joseph McBride, "'George Bush,' CIA Operative," The Nation, July 16/23, 1988, p. 42 21- Joseph McBride, "Where Was George?", The Nation, August 13/20, 1988, p. 117. 22- United States District Court for the District of Columbia, Civil Action 88-2600 GHR, Archives and Research Center v. Central Intelligence Agency, Affidavit of George William Bush, September 21, 1988.

"I may have misunderstood the original question, but I took it as an inquiry into what, if any, evidence she has supporting conspiracy in the assassination." I understood it as evidence for her own story. Wim

Bill, I do indeed think you are more interested in suggesting that Judyth has no evidence and quite frankly I have some doubts about your sincerety. "I guess people are'nt too inetested. I had been lead to believe she had alot of evidence but I take it she does not." I have started giving you some clear evidence that Judyth was indeed a cancer researcher, lived in New Orleans at the time (having moved from Florida) and worked at the Reily coffee company at the same time Oswald did. I have also shown that Ochsner is a clear promoter of "the lone nut assassin/Lee did it" school right from day one. Should I assume that you really believe Ochsner didn't know any better? Then you suggest that people are not "too interested" and she does not have "a lot of evidence", although I have offered to provide more after this warming up. So yes, I'd say you are not really interested. You come here out of nowhere inquiring about Judyth Baker, saying that you have been interested in for 10 years. Yet I don't recall having seen your name before anywhere. If you have been interested that long, it is inconceivanle to me that you don't know anything about Judyth Baker and her evidence, cause she has been the subject of heated debates on virtually all Kennedy forums. Then you are also the very first inquiring about my summary of my dealings with Bob Vernon (Vernon was next). We have had a character by the name of T. Folsom here before. I can't help thinking back of him at this time. It just seems somewhat weird to me that from your 10 years of interest in the case, your first topics to pick out are Judyth Baker and my dealings with Vernon. You give me a telephone number and I'll tell you all about Vernon if you are really that interested. Steve, I doubt whether all of Judyth's evidence should be marked as "circumstancial". After all she has two contemporary witnesses who confirm her relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald and they acted as lovers. These are Anna Lewis (widow of David Lewis, the investigator who worked for Guy Banister) and Mac McCullough (bouncer of the 501 club owned by Carlos Marcello). Then there is at least 3 witnnesses who saw Lee Harvey Oswald in the company of a young woman, of whom it has been proven it was not Marina. These are Delphine Roberts (secretary of Banister) and her daughter. They were both thinking it was Marina, as she was introduced by Oswald as such. Because Marina has testified she never was in Banister's office, these witnesses have been discredited by the usual sharks among us. There are also 2 witnesses of Clinton on record, having spotted Oswald with a young woman. These are barber McGehee, where Oswald made a stop on his Clinton trip with Judyth, to do the first experiment with the cancer causing virus on a human patient in Eastern Louisiana State hospital. The other is the daughter of Reeves Morgan, who saw her sitting in the car. All of these testimonies can be looked up on the net, for example here: http://www.jfk-online.com/chron.html No wonder that Jim Garrison wanted to locate his mystery woman. And ofcourse there is much more evidence. Wim

Wim, If I can play 'The Devils Advicate' for a minute, the people incrimanated by James Files and Judyth Baker are also all dead and can not defend themselve. If critizing dead people is 'off limits' then there is not a lot for us to talk about! It was Judyth Baker I wanted to talk about, however. I guess people are'nt too inetersted. I had been lead to believe she had alot of evidence but I take it she does not. Bill <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well Bill, apparently you are dissapointed with the evidence given so far and are not interested to see more. I would think this would be independent of other people's interest. Tell me Bill, is this the first forum you participate in, or have you posted on other forums or newsgroups in the 10 years that you have been interested in the case Wim

Well John, talking about excellent reads or views, you should email me your address and I will send you a 90 minutes DVD, titled "The Bush Connection", "A thorough, documented, criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush, establishing, beyond a reasonable doubt, his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy". Wim

While that particular Holt photo was obviously posed to match the tramp photo as closely as possible, there is indeed a strong resemblance. (I think this pose also explains another Holt photo, apparently taken at the same time, in which Holt has his mouth hanging open like an idiot, to match another of the tramp photos.) But this photo does not look like Holt did in 1963 (according to an existing photo taken at that time). The Holt here looks 10 or 20 years older (indeed this photo must have been taken in the late 1980s or whenever Holt came out with his story), so the comparison is rather misleading. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ron, It seems that on this matter you have made up your mind are as hard a nut to crack as John Mcadams. So I guess I'll leave the presentation of Lois Gibson and the rest of the evidence for any individual to judge, with the satisfaction that it does not convince you and you are at odds with the world most respected experts. Wim

I am just trying to determine whether Hoover was face to face with George Bush on 23 nobember 1963, when the information was "orally furnished" to them. Wim

"It's the facial structure and features that convince me that the short tramp is not Rogers." Okay Ron, Then would you please please tell us which facial features of young Rogers are different from those of the short tramp in your opinion. I guess you have also seen the analysis of Lois Gibson, who does this for her profession and won a Guinness Book of Records notation for her work? http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/lois7.htm Wim

"When I last spoke to Layton a few months before his death, I asked Layton if he knew a Judyth Vary Baker. He said he did not. I asked Layton if he had ever heard her name before and specifically if Ferrie had ever mentioned her. He thought for a while and told me no." End quote of Bob Vernon I suggest "Dr. Truth" to do his homework if he wants his lies to stick: If Layton Martens passed away on March 18, 2000 and Bob Vernon knew of Judyth Vary Baker before that time, and actually quizzed Martens about her, he never ever mentioned it to me or anyone else that I know of. Also the first mentioning of Judyth Baker on the Google newsgroups is from 25 sept 2000. In fact I learned of Judyth Baker's existence from Vernon and then more extensively from Jim Marrs. In this email (watch the date) Vernon makes no mention of previous knowledge of Judyth Baker and calls her a "new revelation": X-XS4ALL-To: <dank@maildrop.xs4all.nl> From: "Bob Vernon" <bobkat2000@attbi.com> To: "wim dankbaar" <dank@xs4all.nl> Subject: FYI from Bob Vernon Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 03:25:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Interesting news....... I received a call from Jim Marrs yesterday and we talked quite a while. Seems Jim has hooked up with an award winning director and they are preparing footage to be released on the 40th anniversary. Jim told me that they have two new revelations - Oswald's girl friend who says Ozzie was CIA and the evidence that Ferrie and Oz were involved in a cancer experiment in New Orleans. I checked out the director and talked to him. He's got the credentials. I have his bio on another computer and will send it next time I turn it on. In any event, it may behoove all of us to "hook up" with Jim and the director for Jim, by far, is the leading JFK expert in the world. He can clean up the scripts we have prepared, assist in the facts with Zack and Gary, and he agreed to write the James Files book as we go along. Feels like a win-win situation to me. Stay tuned. I got a call from Dick Clark but I missed him. I understand I'm on his call sheet for this coming Monday. B When I last spoke to Layton a few months before his death, I asked Layton if he knew a Judyth Vary Baker. He said he did not. I asked Layton if he had ever heard her name before and specifically if Ferrie had ever mentioned her. He thought for a while and told me no. I asked him if it was possible that Ferrie could have known this lady without Layton’s knowledge. He told me that anything was possible but that he doubted it because he and Ferrie were very close and that he (Layton) had known all of Ferrie’s friends, the men and the women. I asked Layton if Ferrie knew or had ever mentioned Lee Harvey Oswald. Layton told me the same thing that he told the producers of Frontline, and that is Ferrie never mentioned Oswald to him. Layton did tell me that he had been shown a picture of Ferrie and Oswald standing in a line at a Civil Air Patrol training event but he was sure they didn’t know each other for Layton felt that if Ferrie had of known Oswald in the 69s, that Layton would have known him, too.

When information is ORALLY furnished to you, does that mean that the person who give you this information, is physically within talking distance from you? Or can this also mean information by telephone? Wim

John and all, I do not wish to engage in a flame war with Mr. Vernon here. I believe it serves neither the goal or constructive atmosphere of this forum. However, those who are truly interested in my side of the story of my dealings with Mr. Vernon are welcome to email me at info@jfkmurdersolved.com and I will be glad to send them a summary, which will quickly expose Mr. Vernon's motives as well as his statements and accusations as outrageous lies or hallucinations, whatever one wishes to call them. Based on the reactions here so far, it seems there won't be much interest or need for explanation, however it will be given on request. Wim

Wim, I have not writen or published, I just have read a lot of the best known books-(Lane, Garrison, Summers,Marrs, Proudy, Torboitt, Lifton, Fonzi, Contract on America, Fezter, ect.). I have been ineterested for about 10 years, maybe not quite10. I suspect some C.I.A. and Mafia players were invovled. How long have you been into it? btw, Do you know about Casey Brennan and Barry Seals? They're names come up on the internet alot. Bill <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks Bill, I have been interested in the case since 1988 and studied it since then with varying intensity. I am not familiar with Casey Brennan, but I am very aware of Barry Seal. Hopsicker's book "Barry and the Boys" is an extensive work on him. Wim

Wim, I do'nt know what you mean by his 'methods' does'nt he pretty much look up things in books? If Reites is wrong the only thing to do is to say what is right. If you do'nt people will say your 'copping out' and then guess what?-Mcadams wins. Sincerenly, Bill <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Bill, I could write a book about Reitzes' methods, but I don't have the time and interest. Let me suffice with one that is enough for me. If you go to the alt.conspiracy.jfk newsgroup and do a serach for Joe West, you will see that he tries to portray Joe West as a conman. Joe West is dead and he can't defend himself. My opinion of Joe West is that he was a great man who tried to do (and would have been succesful had he lived) the only sensible thing in this case as to solving the question if there was a conspiracy involving multiple shooters: exhume the body of JFK. Wim.