Duane Daman

Like every other thread you post on Burton, I see you've managed to turn this one into a three ring circus also. I also see that you're not posting some of my moderated posts .. No surprise there either.

Smoke and mirrors doesn't even begin to describe the type of tactics you use to defend your lost cause.. but thanks for posting the DPF link.. I didn't realize how much I missed the ex members of the EF until now.. http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4948&page=22 The second link you posted was NOT an image.. It was text written by Jarrah White that looked to be cut off for some reason. http://ralphrenewaswrongmate.com/web_images/jarrah_virus_upload.png As for the constant character assassinations of Jarrah White, posted by you and your Apollo defending pals on apollohoax.net, all I can say is that the garbage you all spew about him there is as transparent as the rest of the tactics you use to defend the Apollo fraud. Let the evidence about Jay Windley vs. Jarrah White speak for itself. And here's an e-mail from Jarrah White to propagandist Phil Plait. And finally, this is the type of TRASH that ALL conspiracy researchers have to endure while attempting to expose the Apollo fraud. This would not be necessary if Apollo happened as advertised. As for this statement... Please show me a list of interviews where any of the Apollo astronauts willingly sat down to conduct face to face interviews with any of the conspiracy researchers.. This does not include NASA propaganda documentaries where NASA controlled what could be discussed, or where the astronauts stated their opinions of the hoax evidence. As for Gene Cernan's claims of how he allegedly landed the Apollo 17 LM on the Moon, it's obvious to anyone not wearing Apollogist blinders, that he completely contradicted the Apollo 11 story of how Armstrong allegedly landed the LM, while at the same time claiming that they both landed it the same way... A bold faced lie, or an inability to get their stories straight? .. Either way, it's a lie.

Obviously you didn't understand my joke about why Jack wouldn't understand that you were only being sarcastic when you called Burton evil. What's perfectly understandable at Jack's age? .. The fact that you think he doesn't understand what you and Burton are all about, or the fact that he does? I don't think Jack has any trouble understanding sarcasm, but obviously you have trouble understanding a joke. So what's your excuse for being so rude, besides having to have the final say every single time Jack or I post something on this thread.

Its called sarcasm Jack. I realize you probably don't understand it. It's perfectly understandable why Jack wouldn't think you were being sarcastic...

I see you only posted the clavius link .. What about apollohoax.net and BAUT, where Windley, you and the other disingenuous apollogists character assassinate Jarrah White constantly? .. And then you wonder why he replied in kind.. Priceless! You also cut off the text in the second link you posted.. Did Jarrah write something you didn't want anyone here to see? Okay, enough about the apollogist's sick obsession with Jarrah .. Let's discuss why Gene Cernan told a bold face lie about Armstrong allegedly landing the Apollo 11 LM exactly the way he did on Apollo 17. Cernan claims to have shut off the LM engine BEFORE landing, to let it freefall to the surface, while Armstrong shut off the engine AFTER the LM allegedly soft landed on the surface .. It appears that Cernan is covering for the fact that none of the Apollo photos show any evidence of dust on the LM pads, much less any type of blast craters beneath the descent engine.. What ever happened to NASA being afraid the blast craters might be so deep that the LMs might fall into them? Cernan also claimed to be able to see stars while on the lunar surface, by standing in the LM's shadow, while Armstrong claimed that he couldn't see any stars from the surface without looking through the optics, while astronomer Phil Plait claims that stars can easily be seen from the Moon, just by looking up at them .. No "LM shadow" or "optics" are necessary. Many of the Apollo astronaut's "moon" trip stories contradict each other .. None of the Apollo astronauts will sit down with any of the conspiracy researchers for face to face interviews, which is the reason Bart Sibrel felt the need to use the tactics he did, to try to get an interview with Aldrin. If the Apollo astronauts have nothing to hide and are being truthful about landing on the Moon, then why pull the plug on interviews that ask hoax questions? .. I would think they would want to debunk the "conspiracy nuts" and the hoax evidence, for all the world to see.. But instead, they run away from them and their questions. There would be no reason for the Apollo astronauts to run away like a pack of cowards and refuse to answer certain questions, if Apollo happened as advertised.

Simply because of Jarrah's obsession with Jay. Maybe it's his way of getting back at Windley, whose obsession with, character assassinations of, and lies about Jarrah White, are not normal. The bottom line is this.. A Japanese TV company wanted to interview Aldrin about the hoax evidence, by featuring one of the leading conspircy researchers, Bart Sibrel.. They were hoping for a sit down, face to face interview between Aldrin and Sibrel, in hopes of discussing the hoax evidence. Unfortunately, before they, or Sibrel, could have that interview, Aldrin saw where the interview was leading, and like a coward, stopped the interivew and ran away.. Ran away just like several other Apollo astronauts, who never answer the hoax questions, and when they do, never get their stories straight. Here's one of many examples of an Apollo astronaut telling a conflicting story with another Apollo astronuaut. In this documentary Aron Ranen set out to prove that Apollo landed on the Moon but could NOT do it.. In this final segment of his documentary, Apollo 17 astronaut Gene Cernan completely contradicts the Apollo 11 story of how Neil Armstrong shut off the descent engine AFTER the LM landed.. Sorry boys, but you can't have it both ways .. You can't change your story to cover for the fact that none of the Apollo craft left any landing craters, or any evidence at all of landing on the lunar surface in the bogus Apollo photography. And this is only one example of conflicting Apollo astronaut stories .. The list is endless. * edited to clarify who Gene Cernan is.

Yes your "evidence" does speak...and loudly... It's says, I'm very silly and can mislead the wary and intellectually challenged. No one wants to 'surpress" anything. The opposite is true. Your "evidence" only hurts you, it sure does not help. Those who are nto worldview challenged see right through it. As usual, all you have to offer is ridicule, with no proof of your silly claims that chemtrails don't exist, or cause harm to humans. Not only do they exist but the toxins sprayed from the chemtrail planes have been tested .. Some of the most alarming results found are extremely high levels of aluminum and barium, both which cause immune system disorders. More faulty results (claims of 6.8 parts per million when it is actually 68 parts per BILLION, which is in the normal range by the way) from yet another collection on the ground. Proves absolutely nothing ESPECIALLY because the bowl used to collect was left out for a MONTH already making it more concentrated than nomal rainwater. Hilarious. http://contrailscience.com/barium-chemtrails/ More faulty logic and "debunking" by a member of the US Air Force.. The same Air Force that denies the existance of Chemtrails, even though that "top secret" program is no longer a secret.. Hilarious.

That statement is not only the height of hypocrisy, but almost too funny for words, considering the type of constant character assassination, ridicule and lies Windley and his apollogist pals spew about Jarrah White (among other conspiracy researchers ) on forums like BAUT and apollohoax.net. Here's an e-mail reply from Jarrah, hopefully clearing up any misunderstanding about who lied about what. "Actually, Daune, Windley didn't claim that Sibrel was part of the Japanese crew. He claimed that there never was a Japanese crew. Windley claimed that Sibrel lured Aldrin to the motel, pretending to be a Japanese production company, so that he could ambush him in the lobby. This is totally false and is what I was responding to. I just had a look at the message that Greer posted. For some time now, he has been pointing to Sibrel's choice of wording as "proof" that the interview was conducted over false pretenses. This is clutching at straws. Many months ago, Greer had been asking how Sibrel knew Aldrin was going to be at the motel. Sibrel has stated on radio shows that he was invited to the motel by the Japanese. Because the Japanese had planned on addressing the hoax subject in their documentary, they were hoping that they could have Aldrin debate with a conspiracy theorist. And so Sibrel was invited as a surprise guest, kinda like how they bring out surprise guests on The Is Your Life talk shows. Because Aldrin quit the interview early, the sit down encounter never took place. From what I understand, Sibrel had his own camera crew accompany him to the hotel. If you watch the video, you'll notice that shortly after Sibrel's crew encounters Aldrin, a second camera crew approaches and begins filming. These secondary crew members are clearly of Asian appearance. It seems to me that the Japanese caught up with Aldrin downstairs and saw the opportunity to get the surprise meeting on film after all. Anyways, the Japanese crew are clearly present when the motel guard shows up. Sibrel's "we paid for the penthouse" was probably in regard to the presence of all all three parties (himself, Aldrin and the Japanese). In other words, when the doorman showed up and questioned Sibrel, Sibrel obviously said "we" as the party who actually paid for the penthouse and invited him and Aldrin to the motel was in his presence. Let me give you an analogy. Let's suppose a friend invites me and a few others to an all-paid-for trip to the bowling alley. When we get to the alley, one of the staff members asks me personally regarding reservation or whatever. Even though I was only invited and didn't have to pay for anything, because the question was directed to me I'd probably say "yeah, we booked a lane under so and so". It's human nature. Once again, Jay Windley claimed that there never was a Japanese film crew. He claimed that Sibrel invented the story and lured Aldrin to the motel pretending to represent some non-existent Japanese TV company. Windley went as far as claiming that he read documents from the LA prosecutor's that "confirm" this. Aldrin clearly admits in his book that the Japanese company did indeed exist. Hope this clears up any misunderstandings. My communications with Greer can be found in the comments of my video if you would like to see them. That's all from me for now. It's nearly 3am down here and I'm too tired to type anymore. Night night, Jarrah"

Aldrin's direct quote was read verbatum by Jarrah White and also shown in his video, which you obviously didn't watch .. If you had, you wouldn't have posted such a ridiculous reply.

History Channel Documentary Validates Chemtrails and Weather Warfare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3gKa0z7rjM&feature=related

Yes your "evidence" does speak...and loudly... It's says, I'm very silly and can mislead the wary and intellectually challenged. No one wants to 'surpress" anything. The opposite is true. Your "evidence" only hurts you, it sure does not help. Those who are nto worldview challenged see right through it. As usual, all you have to offer is ridicule, with no proof of your silly claims that chemtrails don't exist, or cause harm to humans. Not only do they exist but the toxins sprayed from the chemtrail planes have been tested .. Some of the most alarming results found are extremely high levels of aluminum and barium, both which cause immune system disorders.

Maybe the viewers would like to see the real reason Buzz Aldrin punched out Bart Sibrel and how Sibrel feels about that unfortunate encounter.. They might also be interested in the fact that one of the leading Apollo defenders, Jay Windley, lied about how and why this encounter took place between Aldrin and Sibrel, in an attempt to further slander Bart Sibrel. To quote conspiracy researcher Jarrah White; "Previously we have exposed Clavius webmaster Jay Windley as a promoter of deliberate false charges against Bill Kaysing and Ralph René. Now we can conclusively and unequivocally prove he is a promoter of false charges against Bart Sibrel. Let's get one thing clear: I do not endorse Bart Sibrel's actions, nor do I support Buzz Aldrin's violent reaction. Regardless of what you think of either side, you have no need to lie about them. Because certain propagandists can't be bothered to watch my videos the whole way through, I might as well spell it out for them. According to Bart Sibrel, Aldrin had just finished giving an interview to a Japanese production company before the two encountered each other. But Jay Windley has alleged that Sibrel pretended to represent a Japanese TV network to lure Aldrin to the motel. As he wrote on the Internet Movie Data Base forum: "Bart Sibrel posed as a Japanese film crew to solicit an interview with Aldrin under false pretenses. Sibrel had been stalking astronauts for years, so many of them knew who he was and would not grant him interviews directly. According to documents I viewed from the L.A. prosecutor's office, Sibrel told them his intent was to conduct an ambush interview with Aldrin in which he planned to accuse Aldrin of dishonestly taking the honorarium for the interview, and then catching his reaction on camera." I guess Windley never counted on Buzz Aldrin telling us his side of the story. On pages282-284 of his new book, MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION, you'll find Buzz Aldrin's testimony that not only confirms what Sibrel said, but also absolutely demolishes ANY claim of honesty made by Jay Windley. I challenge anyone who trusts Jay Windley to answer the million dollar question that Windley is terrified to answer: How can you allege that Sibrel lured Aldrin to the motel pretending to be a Japanese company, when in fact Aldrin explicitly states in his new book that he did in fact give an interview to a Japanese production company and met up with Sibrel on his way out?"

I must say that both of your replies were completely predictable. Like I stated before, your narrow minded worldviews won't allow either one of you to see the truth of many subjects, the chemtrails program being only one of them. But I'm not here to try to convince closed minded people like you of anything.. I'm here to show the evidence of the US military's "top secret" chemtrail program, so hopefully more people will be aware of what is taking place and what type of harm is being caused by the toxins being sprayed. The evidence I've presented on this thread speaks for itself, regardless of what kind of games are being played by certain members of this forum to attempt to suppress that evidence. *edited for typos

There's more at his channel, including many videos dissecting and scrutinizing the recent LRO aerial photos of the moon, which seem to be far less accurate than even Google Earth is. LRO Series http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... t&rclk=pti His Flagging the Gems series are also a must see. They reveal damning info that you have never seen before: The only folks who won't like these videos are the establishment defenders who mistakenly believe that "authority = truth" and worship "status quo and orthodoxy" as their Lord and God, and believe that "critical thinking" can never be used against establishment or orthodoxy, only against those who would challenge it. Remember folks, a true skeptic is willing to challenge authority and orthodoxy, and apply his critical thinking and skepticism in that direction. Those who absolutely cannot are not skeptics, they are establishment defenders. Randi, Shermer, CSICOP, the BadAstronomy.com folks, the Mythbusters, Penn and Teller, and the skeptics on my SCEPCOP forum are establishment defenders, not true skeptics. These establishment defenders were taught in high school that "authority = truth" and therefore is never to be questioned, and that doing and believing what you're told leads to reward, while the opposite leads to punishment. They are unable to free themselves of their programming and conditioning, so in that sense, they are not "freethinkers"." http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1567875&start=60#p12844000

In this one, he gets to the bottom of the debate about whether the "C" rock in a moon photo right next to the "C" on the ground, is an original or the same photo with the "C" airbrushed out is, and whether it is a piece of hair or a marker. By simple research and deduction, Jarrah White shows that the NASA defenders are wrong and supporting an obvious cover up. MoonFaker - Rocks and Crocks In this funny one, he explains how in theory the astronauts should have been able to jump 14 feet in the air, according to NASA's calculations, yet the Apollo astronauts usually only jumped 20 inches off the ground, and why NASA's defenders' explanations for this do not fit. MoonFaker - One Giant Leap Here's another thoroughly researched one. Here he takes some famous photographs with lighting oddities and performs tedious experiments to see if NASA defenders' explanations hold up. In it, he even exposes deceit and factual errors by the Mythbusters program. MoonFaker - Reflect on this In this series, he dissects the moon rocks arguments, laser reflector arguments, and ham radio arguments Exhibit D cont.

In defense of the monumental amount of Apollo hoax evidence, I suggest that EVERYONE watch the videos listed here, to make up their own minds about the validity of mankind's alleged "greatest achievement". Jarrah White is one of the leading Apollo conspiracy researchers and also one of the most ridiculed.. The constant character assassination of him, dished out by those who defend the official Apollo record, only proves how much they fear the hoax evidence he presents.. His in depth videos explain, in carefully researched detail, how every aspect of Project Apollo was staged by NASA. Those who defend and protect the official Apollo record all pretend to have debunked his reasearch, yet all they've really done is to personally attack him, which is understandable considering how he, along with other ridiculed conspiracy researchers, have blown the Apollo Myth right out of the water. "Young Aussie genius whipping NASA experts in Moon Hoax Debat by WWu777 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:36 pm Hi all, The whole Moon Hoax Debate, which I thought had died off long ago, has been revived by this young genius from Australia who has been kicking butt against astronomers appointed by NASA to debate the moon hoaxers such as Phil Plait of www.badastronomy.com, Jay Windley, the Mythbusters program, and other "NASA Propagandists" as he calls them. This kid is something you have to see to believe. He calls himself Jarrah White. He looks only about 25 or so, yet he's the best debater I've ever seen. His arguments and reasoning are so thorough and scholarly. Everything he says is sourced and documented. He has documents on everything, even stuff from the 60's. He even performs scientific experiments, when he can, to back up and illustrate his argument, showing and explaining each step to the viewer. Therefore, he doesn't just make arguments, he SHOWS you the scientific facts and results through experiments right in front of you, either by him, or by others. In doing so, he has unmasked critical errors and omissions of Phil Plait, the Mythbusters, and others. It's absolutely brilliant. I'm astounded by it. I've never seen a young guy who was so thorough and logical. His videos all look very professionally produced and his presentation is very professional as well. It's something you have to see to believe. Here is his YouTube Channel. He has like over 300 videos now. His video series is called MoonFaker. http://www.youtube.com/WhiteJarrah Check out this 3 part segment where he shows an untouched flag waving on the moon, where there is no air. Then he cites the Lunar Journal's 6 speculative explanations for the moving flag and debunks them all, with simple experiments, precendents and deduction. MoonFaker: The Flags are Alive And here he shows you EXACTLY WHY the Lunar Module on the moon must have had a blast crater under it, contrary to NASA defenders' explanations to the contrary. All the math, science and documented experiments by NASA and other organizations is shown to you in full detail, in a five part video series. MoonFaker - No Crater cont.

Right .. They could have easily been faked using the ATS-3 satellite images for the Apollo "half way to the Moon" images and also for the "earthrise" images, one of which has already been proven to be fake. If the ATS-3 satellite image was used to fake an Earth image during one "live" video feed, then it could have been used to fake the Earth images in all of the "live" feeds. The point is very simple .. NASA had a means to fake all of the Earth images, allegedly taken during the Apollo manned missions, by using their ATS-3 satellite images.

Yes, it was an AIR grab. What they tested were the TOXINS in the air, beneath where the chemtrail planes had sprayed, no matter what disingenuous spin you attempt to put on it .. Any logical person should be able to see that. Sure Duane. Then of course you can show where they either submitted a multi-ton sample of all the air from 28 days, 8 hours a day, or accounted for the volume of air passing through the filter. Right? Or how about how they modified a FILTER that collect dust to somehow collect and store massive amounts of air? How about how they ruled out other contamination sources? Just because they called it an air grab doesn't mean it was, nor does it magically make up for their faulty methodology. We've discussed this before .. It's was proven that your source is the one who has the faulty methodology. The Arizonia test was an AIR GRAB.. Call it dust if you must , but the atmosphere was tested after chemtrail planes had covered the area with toxins from above. This "top secret" spraying project is no longer a secret.. Which means there's no reason for you to keep pretending it doesn't exist.

Thanks for proving everthing I had to say correct. So pleasse show me WERE in that report you claim is such great evidence of chemtrail, they talk about doing a collection from a supposed chemtrail AT THE ALTITUDE where this supposed chemtrail was emmited? If you can't show me where that has happened, you lose...simple as that. Unfortunately for you, nothing you say is correct.. Your willful ignorance of this subject is obvious. I have a great idea! .. How about the next time one of the chemtrail planes creates a tic tac toe grid in the skies over your home town, you step outside for a few hours and take some very deep breaths.

I have accounted for the fact that the weather patterns associated with the ATS-3 satellite Earth images matched that seen in the Apollo Earth images .. As for the "live" transmitted video images of Earth, it's been proven they were NOT really live, but were actually playbacks (to quote Armstrong's unscripted line) for the Apollo 11 TV show, that was supposedly being broadcast live from "around 130,000 miles out" (to quote Armstrong's scripted line). Lamson asked me why the weather patterns of Earth matched the Apollo images of Earth.. I showed him how it was done.. The fact that the ATS satellite images of Earth match the Apollo Earth images, is just one more reason, in a very long list of reasons, of why the Apollo photography is highly suspect. Considering the fact that it has been proven that NASA passed off an Apollo 8 Earth image as being taken on Apollo 11, shows that they can't be trusted to be truthful about their Apollo photography.. Combine the faking of the Apollo 8 / 11 "earthrise" photos with a long list of other obvious Apollo photo fakery, and it becomes clear that something is wrong with this picture also. NASA claims the ATS only supported communications, but as I have proven, it could also easily have been used to stage the Apollo Earth images.

I've done plenty of research on this subject .. The ATS-3 satellite photo originally came from a NASA site. Here's a link showing full disk, color images of Earth .. There's no difference between the images taken by NASA satellites, Soviet unmanned missions, and the alleged manned Apollo missions. http://www.donaldedavis.com/2003NEW/NEWSTUFF/DDEARTH.html Here'a an image of Earth that was taken by the ATS-3 satellite .. It looks no different from the Apollo TV transmissions, allegedly taken about half way to the Moon. http://history.nasa.gov/SP-168/contents.htm I don't see any reason why NASA couldn't have used these images for their Apollo "earthrise" photos as well by simply reducing the image size .. There are even examples of Apollo "earthrise" photos where it's obvious the terminator line has been tampered with, and as we saw in the video I posted here, one of the Apollo 8 "earthrise" photos was reused to fake an Apollo 11 "earthrise" photo, by flipping the image of earth over and adjusting the "lunar horizon". "ATS-3 Source: Encyclopedia Astronautica (http://www.astronautix.com/):'ATS-3' American communications technology satellite. One launch, 1967.11.05, ATS 3. The goals for ATS-3 included investigations of spin stabilization techniques and VHF and C-band communications experiments. In addition to fulfilling its primary mission, it also provided regular communications service to sites in the Pacific basin and Antarctica, provided emergency communications links during the 1987 Mexican earthquake and the Mt. St. Helens disaster, and supported the Apollo Moon landings." .. *LOL .. I bet it did!* The satellite also provided the first color images from space as well as regular cloud cover images for meteorological studies. Spacecraft: Spin stabilized, drum solar array providing 175 W BOL, NiCd batteries. Payload: C-band and VHF communications packages, Earth imaging camera. http://www.astronautix.com/craft/ats3.htm

Yes, it was an AIR grab. What they tested were the TOXINS in the air, beneath where the chemtrail planes had sprayed, no matter what disingenuous spin you attempt to put on it .. Any logical person should be able to see that.

"AMERICANS UNITE The Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh reveals how the neocons convened around Dick Cheney and brainstormed ways to kick off World War IV, as they fondly call their pet project to take out the Muslims and foment a contrived "clash of civilizations." According to Hersh, this meeting occurred after the neocons failed miserably to stage a rehashed version of the Gulf of Tonkin incident in the Strait of Hormuz, mostly because it is no longer 1964 and such Big Lies — thanks to the internet and bloggers — are far more difficult to float. "For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there," quipped LBJ about the imaginary act of North Vietnamese boats supposedly attacking U.S. ships, leading to the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and undeclared war in Southeast Asia, ultimately resulting in the death of nearly 60,000 Americans and around 3 million Southeast Asians. In an exclusive Think Progress story, we learn the meeting took place in Cheney's office and the subject on the table was "how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington," part of an ongoing effort to provide an excuse to attack Iran. "There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war," Hersh explains. "The one that interested me the most was why don't we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up." Hersh would have us believe this scenario did not play out because "you can't have Americans killing Americans," an absurd explanation considering the fact the attacks of September 11 were just that — "Americans killing Americans," a calculated and cold-blooded act of mass murder carried out by elements in the U.S. government as a "new Pearl Harbor," a cynical pretext to launch the "war on terror," now grinding into its seventh year. Ominously, these "ideas" hark back to Operation Northwoods, the JSC plan to stage a false flag terror event — or a number of events — designed to provide a pretext to invade Cuba and take out Fidel Castro. Such "ideas" included "friendly Cubans" attacking the U.S. base at Guantanamo, shooting down a drone disguised as a chartered civil airliner and blaming it on Cuba, inciting riots and staging terror attacks in Miami, and other terrorist acts. Fortunately, then Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, put a kibosh to this insane plan. More recently, in January, 2003, in the lead-up to the Iraq invasion George Bush and Tony Blair discussed painting planes in United Nations colors "in order to provoke an attack which could then be used to justify material breach" and thus set in motion an invasion, according to Philippe Sands, a leading British human rights lawyer (see Revealed: Bush and Blair discussed using American Spyplane in UN colors to lure Saddam into war, Channel Four News). In fact, the neocons have not rested in their effort to foment war and force the support of the American people by way of deception. On May 16, 2008, Paul Joseph Watson, writing for Prison Planet, noted confidential recordings released under the Freedom of Information Act revealing the efforts of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and top military analysts to cook up another terrorist attack on America in order to gain support for their ambitious plans to decimate Muslim culture. "The most extraordinary exchange takes place when Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong bemoans shrinking political support for Neo-Con war plans on Capitol Hill and suggests that sympathy for the Bush administration's agenda will only be achieved after a new terror attack," writes Watson. "Rumsfeld agrees that the psychological impact of 9/11 is wearing off and the 'behavior pattern' of citizens in both the U.S. and Europe suggests that they are unconcerned about the threat of terror." Rumsfeld characterizes Bush as "a victim of success" because America has not suffered "an attack in five years" and for Rumsfeld and the neocons this state of affairs is indeed lamentable. Obviously, the neocons will stop at nothing — including the murder of more Americans in a false flag terror attack — to realize their agenda. Finally, Sy Hersh casts suspicion on himself during the interview when he admits he did not bother to write an article on the neocon casus belli brainstorming session because it did not go forward. "So I can understand the argument for not writing something that was rejected — uh maybe. My attitude always towards editors is they're mice training to be rats.... But the point is jejune, if you know what that means." It was "jejune" because Hersh believes the "American public, if you get the right incident, the American public will support bang-bang-kiss-kiss. You know, we're into it."

That's my favorite chemtrail pic Jack. Thanks for posting it! No Duane, that would be your favorite CONTRAIL pic. No need to thank me for correcting you. No Craig, those are chemtrails in that photo, NOT contrails .. Contrails don't leave wide, persistant, tic tac toe grids in the sky .. The existance of chemtrails has been proven extensively .. I've even posted that proof on this thread, but of course it comes as no surprise that you refuse to acknowledge that proof, or more likely, have refused to even look at it.. Your particular narrow minded world view won't allow you to see the truth of many subjects, chemtrials being only one of them. Heres the TRUTH Duane. They are without a doubt CONRTAILS. Your claim to the contrary has ZERO basis in fact. You can't point us to a SINGLE study that has sampled the contents of these contrials to prove your claim that it is a chemical spraying trail. ZEREO..ZILCH...NADA...NONE. Your ground based studies are a perect example of your worldview getting in the way of reason. Of course nothing new in that. You put it on display often. This evidence proves your typical drivil is incorrect.. There's a mountain of evidence that chemtrails are not only a real US military program, but also that the toxins that are being sprayed by the chemtrail planes are making people ill. Your claim of only the ground being tested is not true either .. Here's the Arizona AIR grab test that proves you wrong about that also. "Chemtrails - Lab Report On Air Grab Thru HEPA Filter Bridget Conroy ArizonaSkyWatch.com 6-8-8 This is the final Lab Report RE: air material analysis. This was a 28 day collection via HEPA filter, 8 hours per day collection. Please note the extremely high Aluminum reading 12,800,000 ppb. You need to look at the chemtrail evidence I've posted here before pretending it's not true.