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    The Beckley Bunch

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Ed LeDoux

    Thanks Steve,

     

    I point out in the supporting link what I matched from fbi photos of the holster to that dpd image.

    https://servimg.com/view/17602890/1300#

    Of course the binoculars jumping from Beckley to Irving is part of my contention they just pulled everything out of Lee's sea bag and distributed it as they saw fit. All toiletries are in the Beckley pile, none at Irving. 

    Stuff is suspicious enough with living arrangements without Lee not having a comb, toothbrush, shaver, nothing at Irving? 

    Its a whole area I pursued.

    But I believe the holster is on the floor at dpd.

    https://servimg.com/view/17602890/1355

    The Beckley Bunch

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    On 1/24/2020 at 12:08 AM, Bart Kamp said:

    Would you care to make your comments as to Oswald being the 6th floor shooter when the Hosty note clearly states that besides his Beckley address also mentions where he was during that particular shooting?

    Please do not hold back on both counts. No usual one liner drivel as we have been exposed to by you for quite some time already. The people at the E.F. deserve to be educated with your proof.

    The Cult of Roe is having difficulty with telephone books and thinking no one could possibly ask the operator for the number to 1026 N. Beckley... isnt that the point of a criss cross.

     

    But while Roe checks newspapers and books with "addresses" and declares no phone number was ever available,... I'll take the logical step and check the Phone Book before any such declarations.

    Cheers, Ed

    The Beckley Bunch

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Ed LeDoux

    Do you think Oswald walked all the streets of Oak Cliff looking to spot For Rent signs? Laughable to imagine Oswald going from Beckley all the way to Marsalis

    Is that your scholarship Roe that Ruth shared some rental houses numbers?

    Ruth helped Lee find apartments... She is on record as doing just this. Ruth checking newspapers for apartments and giving the numbers to Lee is no great mystery Roe.

    Lee didnt pack up his belongings Monday and head into Oak Cliff praying he found a rental... wandering around with his sea bag and valise. 

    If Lee Oswald checked out 1026 N. Beckley he did not rent it. But Mr. Lee did.

    Oswald went to the next number he had from Ruth, and decided to stay and see if the room/house would work for his family. It did not, or so we are told.

    I believe Bledsoe lied and it was Oswald whom cancelled his residency as he and Ruth had found a suitable place and Lee could fix it up before moving in.

    Only a washing machine was to be procured and the Oswald's would be moving out of Ruth's. 

     

    Staying at Ruth's in the interim and riding with Buell daily according to Edward Shields HSCA testimony is more likely what Oswald was doing in the weeks before the assassination.

    But go ahead and bury your head to the available evidence and the missing bits that destroy the tenancy of Oswald at Beckley, bury it so deep only the crew from Oak Island can aide your mental entombment.

    Found the tenants key or a single receipt yet?

    Perhaps you'll thrill us with forensic evidence from the scene or any pictures of a holster in the tiny room.... I guess Roe has yet to find a single fact which places Oswald inside Beckley on 11/20 or anytime before. 

     

    A phone number in a book is not residency by any stretch of the wildest imagination... except for Roe's vivid imagination. Turning scrawny Floyd or little Herbert Leon Lee into Oswald is par for the WC. 

     

    Sorry Steve the fable ended here.

    Cheers, Ed

    The Beckley Bunch

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    Posted

    2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

    Can I ask a question?

    What is the point of Oswald not being at Beckley?

    Where was he living then?

     

    JIm,
    Edward Brand, the insurance salesman, nails Herbert Leon Lee for trying to pass himself as OH. Lee.

    Is it Steve Roe's or anyone's contention that Lee Harvey Oswald had a Texas Drivers License?? Haha they would try to confuse the issue. Fact is Lee Oswald had a application for a Texas Drivers License.... that is not by any stretch a Texas Driver's License.
    This is the trap they fall in using Beckley witnesses to pin a Beckley Rooming House on Oswald.  It does not work. It was not Oswald. Square peg, meet round Beckley hole.

    Jim there was a problem with Irving.
    Marina lived there.  
    Marina is a spouse.
    Have you ever seen Tonahill talking about Texas Law and the search and Marina's giving them any evidence or even leads is illegal for police to use and would be tossed outta any Texas court.



    Spouses are insulated against the very tactics used on her by police. Ruth did not help explain Marina her rights this is FACT.
    Fritz went to Decker with the Irving address straight away.
    An address for someone missing from a warehouse, and this is not incrimination enough for a warrant. Period, and I think Decker sent Fritz about his merry way. NO warrant to be issued.
    I believe Decker told him to go get some more evidence. (Hence the hunt for Oswald and a frame up.)
    This is exactly what Fritz does with a "Dallas" address.
    Thanks to a similar name on a 'missing' guest register and possible calls to police the leads make it easy to place Oswald in Dallas, at a rooming house, and get a search warrant...
    Problem is the warrant doesn't even name Oswald or OH Lee.
    They left that as loose as physically possible.
    Anyway it was certainly evidence and jurisdictional issues Fritz's maneuvers to his own benefit and detriment of Oswald. 
    Got it Jim?

    Cheers, Ed





     

    The Beckley Bunch

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    Posted

    Steve.... "He never did deny it" is a "tell" that he did in fact deny this.

     Fritz's own words anticipate a dispute about him living there, why Steve if he lived there and gave it straight away.

     

    And if he did why did they cops not know whom the roomer was.

    Why is the warrant for UNKNOWN PERSONS plural?

    Why wasn't the warrant for Oswald or even OH Lee

     

    WHY DOES HOSTY WRITE OH LEE IS "WHERE" HE LIVES

    AND SCRATCHES OUT "WHERE" 

    Because he doesnt live there, Mr Leon Lee does.

    And like others those words are shoved into Oswald's mouth to preempt the question. Exactly why would he deny it if he lived there? The evidence for it would be overwhelming wouldn't it, so what would be the point?  Yet Fritz waves this huge reg flag as a preemptive action.

    Steve Roe has no logical explanation.

    As for ROE'S CLAIM of the evidence being overwhelming..., it is exactly the opposite.

    We would also not have at least four totally different stories about how the address was obtained.

    Steve Roe can unconvincingly explain one...

      A lesson in spy-craft terminology for Steve... because these same methods can be used to help frame someone... Backstopping The extent and degree of protection given when using an alias, false documentation, phony address, or are employed in a "front".

    When there is little or no "backstopping", an alias is referred to as a "throwaway" - this type to be used only once or twice for a single purpose then discarded. Backstopping might include what is referred to in the trade as "pocket litter".

    Driver's license, library card, army papers etc. A phony address might be backstopped with phony receipts, utility accounts, or even say just the say-so of a landlord/lady.

    The extent of backstopping will determine how long the false name, address or business "front" will hold. Is any "backstopping" of an address and the use of a "throwaway" alias and weird pocket litter discernible  in the life of Oswald?

    Yes!

    But backstopped after the fact as a frame, not to provide cover for clandestine activities. A hand-written scrap of paper, untested by any forensics?

    OH Lee? Living in room 0? Sharing the same rooming house with H. Lee?

    A late found bus ticket?

    An American Bakeries pay slip linked to 214 Neely? ------------- Against.... no production of any ledgers or the like... Aynesworth's discovery of an ashtray and matches in the room... (maybe those pesky grand-kids smoked?)

    Not a single mention of anyone wearing a USMC ring and a name bracelet...

    No indication of how he did his laundry or where it was done... None of these issues or other issues raised would be with us if he had truly lived there. 

    But do tell us how Fritz -- a man you admit to knowing deliberately sent an innocent man to the electric chair, was as honest as the day is long... even during 'daylight savings.'

    Obviously Oswald was the xxxx. Fritz said so! And Roe thinks Fritz is a Saint.

    Ridiculous theory of Roe's now besmirched. Sorry buddy try as you might Lee Oswald didn't live at Beckley, Where's his key, and he didn't shoot anyone.

     

    So why does Hosty's notes say 1026 N. Beckley if Fritz said Oswald only gave 1026 BECKLEY and they had to figure it out?

    Sounds like Steve Roe and FJ James better group think and get back to us. 

    The Beckley Bunch

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Ed LeDoux

    On 1/19/2020 at 11:55 AM, Paul Jolliffe said:

    Thanks, Ed for posting these two articles.

    NO WORRIES, MY REPLY IN CAPS.

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    The first one quotes Jerry Duncan extensively.

    How in the world does Jerry Duncan's insistence that LHO's visits (a man with whom Duncan really met and interacted at least twice!) to the Humble Gas Station, directly across the street from 1026 N. Beckley,  support your theory that LHO did NOT live at 1026 N. Beckley? 

    As you know, on 11/24/63, Duncan insisted to the FBI that LHO DID LIVE at 1026 N. Beckley, and that this "Oswald" had no automobile - he came to the gas station on foot!

    https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh26/html/WH_Vol26_0143b.htm

     

    FUNNY AS FORD STATED HE HAD NEVER SEEN OSWALD BEFORE IN HIS LIFE.

    PS. It is right there in the the same link Paul provided....

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    Now, maybe (maybe) LHO did not live at 1026 N. Beckley, but Duncan's above story - which you cited! -  makes it very likely that LHO really did live there.

    NO IT DOES NOT.

    IT ALONG WITH THE OTHER INTERVIEWS SHOW IT WAS NOT OSWALD DUNCAN THOUGHT WENT OUT FOR BEER WITH FORD, THAT WAS FLOYD. 

    THE PERSON DUNCAN INTERACTED WITH GOT CHANGE, AND MADE LONG DISTANCE CALLS.

    THOSE CALLS WERE FROM HERBERT LEE TO HIS GIRLFRIEND.

    PER THE FBI.

    TRY AS THEY MIGHT THEY TRIED TO MAKE DUNCAN BELIEVE THE CALLS WERE MADE BY FORD TO HIS MOTHER IN LOUISIANA.

    IM SURPRISED YOU WOULD FALL FOR THIS IDEA RATHER THAN THE ACTUAL FBI INVESTIGATION INTO THE CALLS.  I CALL THAT DISHONEST.

     

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    Furthermore, the fact the FBI completely made up a phony refutation a month later is very powerful evidence that on 11.24.63,  Duncan told the FBI the truth - LHO really did come to the Humble Gas Station directly across from 1026 N. Beckley at least twice to make long distance pay phone calls. Moreover, Duncan believed that LHO really did live at 1026 N. Beckley and on 11/24/63, said so to the FBI!

    YOU ARE NOT BEING OBJECTIVE BUT FALLING FOR AN EASY PIECE OF BAIT. THERE IS NOTHING TO FORD'S CALLING HIS MOTHER, UNLESS YOU BELIEVE DUNCAN DIDN'T RECOGNIZE HIS OWN EMPLOYEE.... HAHA! 

    ACCORDING TO YOU THE FBI GOT FORD, GLADYS, AND FLOYD DEGRAFFENREID TO ALL REFUTE DUNCAN? REALLY? ARE YOU SURE PAUL????

    In the second story you posted,  "John Adams" living at 1026 N. Beckley, clearly believed that he been introduced to the accused assassin, also living at 1026 N. Beckley,  by the name "Harvey Lee."  You have speculated that perhaps "John Adams" misheard or mis-remembered that name. While that is theoretically possible, you have no evidence that "Adams" was mistaken about the name "Harvey Lee". You have based your speculation on the phonetic similarity to another previous roomer - Herbert Leon Lee. 

    However, you neglected to tell your readers that Herbert Leon Lee did not use the name "Herbert."

     

    No, instead he went by "Leon" Lee, a name far less likely to be mistaken as "Harvey Lee." 

    https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/shreveporttimes/obituary.aspx?n=herbert-quotleonquot-lee&pid=128925162#fbLoggedOut

    PAUL HIS NAME IS HERBERT.

    I SAID HE WENT BY LEON WHEN CALLING HIS GIRLFRIEND THUS I NEGLECTED NOTHING.

    YOU NEGLECTED ANYTHING TO BACK YOUR ARGUMENT THO PAUL...

    AND HE OBVIOUSLY SIGNED INTO BECKLEY AS H. AS IN HERBERT AND NOT L. AS IN LEON LEE

    PERHAPS HE DID NOT GO BY HERBERT, HE WENT BY HENRY AS TWO PEOPLE SAW THE RECEIPT FOR HENRY.

    RIGHT PAUL?

    NEXT??

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    Finally, "John Adams" described overhearing "several" (at least three) phone conversations - at least one of which turned heated - between "Harvey Lee" at 1026 N. Beckley and an unknown party in Russian. Those conversations were between real people, but you have speculated they did not involve the accused assassin. 

    Fair enough. It is your right to speculate all you like. But you have produced not one tiny drop of evidence that any other person in residence at 1026 N. Beckley between the middle of October and November 22, 1963 even spoke Russian, let alone that they were later mistaken for "Harvey Lee" using the phone!

    PAUL ITS MERE SPECULATION IT WAS RUSSIAN.

    WHAT ISNT SPECULATION IS THE INTRODUCTION OF A GERMAN SPEAKER. NOT SPANISH OR DUTCH BUT GERMAN.

    PLEASE POST THE INTRODUCTION OF ANYONE AS A "RUSSIAN" SPEAKER.

    TIA!

    "Harvey Lee" absolutely did converse with his wife in Russian all the time! But besides "Harvey Lee",  there is not the slightest shred of evidence that either "Leon" Lee or anyone else living at 1026 N. Beckley even could have made those calls in Russian.

    MORE UNSUBSTANTIATED SPECULATION ON YOUR PART.

    DALLAS HAD A LARGE DIVERSE POPULATION. ANYTHING FROM CROATION TO HUNGARIAN COULD BE "RUSSIAN" TO THE MISINFORMED OR IGNORANT.

    WHAT WASNT DISPUTED WAS THE INTRODUCTION OF A GERMAN SPEAKER. RIGHT PAUL?

    SLOUGH TOLD MARK BRIDGER UNDER ANONYMITY : "I recall a small nervous man. Unimpressive. I dismissed him as anyone I would care to be around. I never saw him with anyone, or even conversing with anyone."

    SOUNDS LIKE HE HAD LITTLE CHANCE TO FORM AN OPINION OTHER THAN SUPERFICIALLY.

    HOW CAN YOU RECONCILE THIS WITH PAT HALL'S STORY OF PLAYING WITH HER BROTHERS ON THE LAWN, BREAKING UP FIGHTS AND LECTURING THEM TO "NEVER HARM ANOTHER HUMAN BEING"

    SLOUGH WAS RECALLING FLOYD DEGRAFFENREID THE SMALL 18 YR OLD 'NERVOUS' ROOMER 

    WHEN ASKED ABOUT OSWALD'S ACCENT, THOUGH HUGH STATED EARLIER THAT OSWALD NEVER SPOKE TO ANYONE, YET SAID "OSWALD DID NOT HAVE ANY OUTSTANDING ACCENT."

    HOW DOES ONE KNOW IF SOMEONE HAS AN ACCENT IF THEY ONLY OVERHEARD RUSSIAN TELEPHONE CALLS, EH COMRADE PAUL?

     

    PAUL, IF YOU HAVE ANY ACTUAL EVIDENCE PLEASE PRESENT IT. SO FAR THIS IS BEEN A CHERRY PICKED REHASH.

    PAUL WHERE IS HIS KEY?

    WHERE IS A SINGLE RECEIPT PAUL?

    SHOW US THE GUEST REGISTER PAUL SO WE CAN HAVE AN EDUCATED CONVERSATION AND SEE IF 'YOUR ROOMER' WITHOUT KEY OR RECEIPT IS IN THERE.

     

    SO FAR YOU HAVE BEEN STUDYING A JUGGLING ACT. NOT EVERYONE CAN JUGLE PAUL, AND IM PRETTY SURE SOME CANT DESCRIBE IT OR BELIEVE IT WHEN THEY SEE IT.... DO THE BALLS REALLY CHANGE HANDS PAUL OR ARE THEY JUST TRYING TO TRICK YOU : - ?

    TO SUMMARIZE;

    DUNCAN THINKS FLOYD IS OSWALD.

    FORD THINKS NO ONE IS OSWALD.

    DUNCAN PROVIDES COINS FOR CALLS HIS OSWALD MAKES.

    CALLS THE FBI CHECKS OUT WITH GENE ALLEN. CALLS ARE FROM HERBERT LEON LEE TO GENE'S NEICE PATRICIA BAKER. 

    HUGH SLOUGH RECALLS A CARPENTER NAMED FLOYD. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY FLOYD DEGRAFFENREID, RIGHT PAUL?

    BUT WAIT, FLOYD IS NOT WORKING IN CONSTRUCTION BUT AT AN AUTO PARTS STORE LATER SEARS!!!

    OF NOTE, A PERSON WEARING "WHITE PANTS" IS NOT OSWALD BUT LIKELY JOHN CARTER A HOUSE PAINTER.

    THIS SHOWS THE BLENDING OF MEMORIES OF AND BY HERBERT, FLOYD, CARTER AND SLOUGH... AND WRONGLY BEING RECALLED AS OSWALD. EXACTLY HOW BUS DRIVER MCWATTERS ID OSWALD AS THE BOY HE LATER FOUND OUT WAS MILTON JONES. OH BTW PAUL, I FOUND MILTON JONES. HE WAS SMALLER THAN OSWALD, AND ONLY IF YOU NEVER KNEW OR MET LEE HARVEY OSWALD YOU MIGHT THINK THEY ARE SIMILAR. THERE'S THE RUB PAUL.

    NO ONE DESCRIBED OSWALD. 

    DID THEY PAUL.

    WHERE'S THE DESCRIPTION WITH SILVER BRACELET WITH LEE ON IT (AS THIS SHOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF A MR. "LEE" STORY) 

    WHERE IS THE DESCRIPTION OF MR. LEE WEARING A MARINE CORP RING OR ANY JEWELRY, THERE IS NONE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT OSWALD.

    CHEERS, ED

     

    PS.

    PAUL, FIND THE SEA BAG AND SHOW IT IS NOT STENCILED "OSWALD" THEN WE CAN TALK.

     

    The Beckley Bunch

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    Steve, 

     

    I had the same notion.

     

    I've asked several of the ROKC folks if his programming of RNL (resource name lists) which are exclusive to IBM'S could make Hugh Slough/John Adams one of the so called "IBM" guys mentioned by Brewer.

    (Did I mention he has a blurb describing a late friend and himself in a eulogy as RNL'ers)

    It wasn't far to walk from Beckley to the shopping area on Jefferson and the shoe store. Why not?

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    The Beckley Bunch

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    When was the Lunchroom story created?

    When was the Hidell is Oswald story created?

    Why all the other charades Paul.

    Any idea Oswald was at Beckley came from Oswald himself as that is what he put on a postal box application.

    Where on Beckley did he live if not at 3610 a non-existent address.

    Did you look into Taylor and the Coz-I-Eight at all Paul? 

    Are you taking all the original stories at face value even though you know your exchange rate is far less. 

    I think all the answers are there, in the essay, supporting docs and images.

    I feel like Im repeating myself.

    But if there are huge problems with Lee Oswald not living at 1026 what are they?

    Cheers, Ed

     

    The Beckley Bunch

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    I cant find it remotely possible he lived there Paul.

    No actual evidence says he did.

    The cops were no saints by any stretch.

    Will Fritz didn't get a 98% clearance rate on murders by doing it all alone.

    We have the benefit of history, and his story isnt fairing well. Fritz lied, cheated, railroaded and did what it took to get a confession, many many were false. The foot soldiers were not clueless. Oswald's treatment and Reid Technique application robbed him of his alibi.

    Not till Bart Kamp found Hosty's notes did we find out where and what Oswald's alibi was.

    Thus conjecture over an alias and address Lee never used or can be substantiated is direct proof the original story has more holes than cheese in Switzerland.

    If you want to surmise an address for Oswald then I suggest a thread by Mick Purdy called Buell Wesley Frazier Where's Your Rider. If its correct then Lee was staying at Ruth's till a washing machine was rented for Marina to use in a family size apartment they were set to occupy before Christmas.

    Lee had enough money saved up. 

    Did he have another place. Did Marina make/sew/knit curtains? For what?

    Not the tiny room at Beckley with curtains on every "wall" ... seems odd doesn't it Paul?

    Cheers, Ed

    https://servimg.com/view/17602890/1339

     

     

    The Beckley Bunch

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Ed LeDoux

    11 hours ago, B. A. Copeland said:

    Yeah thats rather annoying. I would HUMBLY welcome and enjoy ANY rebuttal to your masterwork here Ed. HUGE thanks as always for your insanely informative work.

    I will update the essay as necessary but since the confinements here prohibit much try the links provided to see refinements and other supporting bits.

    Cheers!
    Ed

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