Kathleen Collins

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Would she admit to the knowledge that President Kennedy may have planned to assassinate Castro on Dec. 2, 1963, as was published in 2 books?

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I really don't think there's much credibility to the theory that President Kennedy was planning to assassinate Castro. Especially given the fact that Lisa Howard was serving as the conduit for negotiations between Castro and JFK. The Kennedy administration may have been keeping every iron in the fire just in case, but I doubt that murdering Castro was the serious option that "Ultimate Sacrifice" made it out to be.

What is the second book that you referred to?

The other book is Brothers: the Hidden History of the Kennedy Years by David Talbot, pgs. 348-349 in hardcover. It was a Jack Anderson story. He said that Robert Kennedy had approved a secret assassination plan which may have backfired by it killing President Kennedy instead.

If this is true, then the Cuban Exiles had a lot to do with Kennedy's murder. If it isn't, then it's the John Birch Society -- LBJ, Texas Oil, wealthy families and their hatred of black people. Ironically, the Civil Rights Bill passed in Congress only for the murder of Kennedy.

Kathy C

If Beschloss is the editor and making the notes, that is a bad sign.

As DOn Gibson showed, Beschloss did some real tampering in his two Taking Charge books about Johnson.

Michael Beschloss = CFR and that is a huge red flag in and of itself.

After that ABC press release, I am coming around to the belief that even in 2011, there is no way that ABC is going to put on national TV Jackie Kennedy talking about her adulterous love affairs AND her belief that LBJ killed JFK.

I have little doubt that Jackie indeed thought LBJ killed JFK.

But I severely doubt that ABC will put that stuff on the air, even if it is true and even if it is in the tapes.

One red flag about that British article is Jackie talking about Vietnam. Vietnam had not escalated in early 1964, so Jackie would have to have some real insider knowledge to be talking that way at that time. The Vietnam stuff makes me suspicious of that British article and makes me now think that we have a false alert here.

Caroline Kennedy should post online the entire raw, uneditited tapes of Jackie's interviews.

I thought these tapes were made right before she died. In 1965 she asked Robert McNamara over for dinner. He said she talked solely about Viet Nam and got so mad at him she couldn't eat. Then when he was leaving, she punched his chest with her fists and said, "Stop the slaughter." He found that "cute."

Kathy C

I actually don't understand what all this hub bub is based upon.

To me this would be a big story for say Ladies HOme Journal, or say the National Enquirer.

But what makes it important to us?

I mean unless we know why she thought what she did, then how is this important or influential?

I mean the fact that Talbot showed that RFK thought his brother was killed by a conspiracy is key for two reasons:

1. The argument had been that if he thought it was a plot, then why did he not say anything.

2. This knowledge may have been why RFK was killed. Because when he became president, he would have opened the case again.

I don't see how this applies here. Jackie may have thought some Texas people did it. OK.

Unless she based this on something tangible, I don't see the value in it. Except for the celebrity involved.

Please don't trivialize Jackie Kennedy. She was married to the man for 10 years. I'm sure she heard a lot of things. She might drop a bomb. Originally, those tapes were not going to be made public until her last child died. So something's on them. Would she admit to the knowledge that President Kennedy may have planned to assassinate Castro on Dec. 2, 1963, as was published in 2 books? Probably not, but let's not judge her as though she was an unthinking, unimportant woman. And I personally don't see Kennedy killing Castro (whose been dead now for years, like Usama bin Laden).

What I don't understand is that phone conversation with LBJ. She called him 10 days after the Assassination and sounded like a little girl. Her voice became deeper as the 2 flirted. How can you talk like that to the man whom you believe might have killed your husband and left your children without a father? Saying, "That's how they'll remember me" -- 'she ran around with 2 Presidents.'"

Kathy C

Jackie Kennedy believed, CORRECTLY, that it was Lyndon Johnson and his Texas oil men who were behind the JFK assassination. Bingo! And that the Vietnam war and favorable tax treatments for oil companies were big reasons in the JFK assassination. Bingo! And no doubt she knew that LBJ was going to be dropped from the 1964 ticket and that LBJ was highly threatened by this. Bingo!

"On the assassination, a second source said Jackie believed gunman Lee Harvey Oswald was "part of a much larger conspiracy." She became convinced that Vice-President Lyndon Johnson, JFK's successor, and a cabal of Texas tycoons were involved.

"Those businessmen expected that LBJ would give them more favourable treatment in Vietnam War contracts and oil policies.

"There is no doubt that Jackie wanted the truth to come out, but feared that she and her children, Caroline and John Jr, might also be marked for death by the ¬conspirators."

This is very significant. We now know that 2 of the closest women to John Kennedy: his wife Jackie Kennedy and his longtime secretary Evelyn Lincoln BOTH believed that Lyndon Johnson was behind the JFK assassination.

Arthur Schlesinger has stated that for a time Robert Kennedy (very, very close to Jackie) also believed that Johnson was behind the JFK assassination.

And it is well known that one of the closest women to Lyndon Johnson, Madeleine Duncan Brown, his long time mistress who he had a son Steven with in 1950, Madeleine Brown ALSO thought that Texas oil men were behind the JFK assassination and that Lyndon Johnson was a willing accomplice.

Folks, you need to listen! The evidence of Johnson's guilt just keeps piling up.

For the new readers here, please google "LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK". You can also email me at Morrow321@aol.com and I will give you my entire files on the LBJ-CIA assassination of JFK.

If Jackie believed LBJ had killed her husband, how does that explain the way she speaks to LBJ on the phone about 10 days after the Assassination? First she sounds like a little girl because he sent her something and she's thanking him. Then he starts talking flirtatiously with her and Jackie responds in the same manner.

If she harbored any thought that LBJ was behind it, how does that explain her reaction to LBJ on the phone?

Link: http://whitehousetap...queline-kennedy

Kathy C

It is possible that the conspirators had "the goods" on the Kennedy's, enough to force Bobby to keep his mouth shut.

For example, I am convinced Marilyn Monroe was pregnant from JFK, refused the abortion that Giancana would arrange in Chicago, just like with Judyth Exner, then fell victim to JFK's request to Giancana to solve the problem. Giancana sent a private plane with his men to the west coast on the early morning of August 4, 1962, and RFK was there personally to make sure the evidence would suggest suicide.

I'd say that's enough to make sure Bobby won't call for an investigation.

Wim

I don't think Bobby Kennedy killed her. And there's no proof that he had an affair with Marilyn. Robert F. Slatzer was, in my opinion, a disinformationalist and a xxxx. He was never "married" to Monroe. That was to get his book published. The day they supposedly married in Mexico she was down as working in the studio. A reporter asked Kid Chisell, the supposed witness to their marriage, if Slatzer had married Monroe. On his death bed Chisell answered, "Listen, I was just helping out a friend."

Monroe could never carry her children to term. She had serious gynecological problems and always miscarried.

Bobby was photographed on Aug.5, 1962 going to Church in a little town in northern California at 9:30 am. Her death was announced around 5:30 am that day.

Kathy C

Kathy,

I will respond to your question posted on the 'Simulated Assassination' gone awry? thread, in this post, after the quote box.

http://www.maebrusse...s%20Pt%201.html

http://www.pittsburg...l/s_739551.html

http://www.ajweberma...2/nodulec29.htm

.....ALLEN DORFMAN

.... In 1979, Gerald Denono, a mafia hit man under federal protective custody, gave a diary to the FBI that he said he stole from Dr. Canale, a New Orleans physician linked to CARLOS MARCELLO. The entry dated January 5, 1973, read: "Fitz OK Al Dorfman chi ok.--Tony Pro Jersey ok ($500,---to C.C. = nix OK." This signified that a payment was made to NIXON through Charles Colson which had been okayed by Teamsters Allen Dorfman, Tony Provenzano and Frank Fitzsimmons. [NY Post 11.16.79] The name of Allen Dorfman surfaced in an off-shoot of the FBI's ABSCAM investigation. Allen Dorfman was involved in an attempt to bribe Senator Howard W. Cannon, (Dem.- Nevada) to sponsor favorable legislation. These charges were never proven because Allen Dorfman was gunned down gang-land style in Chicago.

After the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the Warren Commission received several reports that indicated an on-going relationship between RUBY and the Dorfmans. Justice Department investigator Walter Sheridan received information that RUBY had recently received money from one of the Dorfmans. Assistant United States Attorney Robert D. Peloquin was assigned to investigate the matter. Robert D. Peloquin, who at the time was part of United States Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy's "Get Hoffa Squad," was called off the case by his boss, Herbert J. Miller. [FBI 44-24016-112,1247; 62-109060-1528] Herbert J. Miller informed Robert Peloquin that he had contacted the source of the information concerning RUBY and the Dorfmans, and the source had refused to substantiate the information. Herbert J. Miller ordered "no further inquiry in this matter" because "the story would give Hoffa an opportunity to criticize the Justice Department for trying to tie Hoffa in with President Kennedy's murder." J. Edgar Hoover agreed: "I do wish Justice Department would mind it's own business." [FBI DC-44-1639 BL-E-cover pg; FBI CG 44-645- DWS: pl6, cover page B]....

Tom Scully -- do you think Red Dorfman had Karyn Kupcinet killed to shock Chicago about learning too much about Ruby and his connections?

Kathy C

I would prefer to just post yes because Karyn's father, Irv's behavior after Karyn's death and for the rest of his life seems that of a prominent yet incurious newspaper gossip and society columnist behaving as if he was under control by intimidation or other coercive influence. Irv Kupcinet knew Ruby and worked closely with Jimmy Colitz, one of Ruby's oldest and closest Chicago friends.

I cannot understand how Dorfman or anyone who at the least, was plotting to dispatch Ruby to permanently silence Oswald, would not take care to avoid any knowledge of the plot to be learned by a newspaper gossip columnist.

Kupcinet and his wife had 20 years experience avoiding antagonizing the numerous mob associates they regularly came in contact with in the course of their strong and regular presence around Chicago mob hangouts.

By 28 November, Dorfman and the organization he presumably needed permission from to permanently silence Kupcinet, his wife, her brother, and Jimmy and Ira Colitz, et al, through the murder of Karyn, had to know that their man, Earl Warren was going to chair the commission investigating Oswald and Ruby, and I suspect the Chicago organization was optimistic that Albert Jenner would be placed in an influential position on Warren's investigative team.

The organization Dorfman was part of was organized nationally and whatever part Dorfman and his organization played in the two murders and in the cover up, the details of the plot have mostly remained secret for 47 years.

I can't imagine Dorfman taking a unilateral decision to order the murder of Karyn, and why would the organization he needed to obtain permission from, be inclined to grant it for such a risky, secondary murder? Ruby had been coerced into giving up his future and risking his life without any influence beyond assumed threats, the accused assassin of JFK was dead as planned, and Warren was in charge of the cover up.

History has unfolded since in ways that show how powerful, influential, and well organized the people Dorfman, his step son, Ruby, Albert Jenner, and I suspect, Obama today have to answer to. Dorfman had to fear and respect them too much to order the murder of Karyn on his own. IMO, the organization by late November, had the success influenced confidence not to risk approving Karyn's murder.

I've read the above paragraph about Ruby and the Dorfmans. It feels very ominous. I'm believing again that Dorfman spoke to Kup on the phone about Ruby, and Karyn was in Palm Springs too. And an idea came to him to kill Karyn to shock Chicago and keep Kupcinet away from any investigation of Ruby. Irv was the most popular man in Chicago, yet the mob may have killed his daughter. His best friend was Sidney Korshack, mafia lawyer, a man investigated so many times and never anything found that he did that was illegal. If the hit came from Chicago, I'm sure he would know. He met Irv at the airport and later identified the remains of Irv's daughter.

Then Frank Sinatra Jr was kidnapped. Who worked harder to get Kennedy in as President than Sinatra? That was another smokescreen, a way to distract the public. And then the Beatles came over to America. (I don't think the British were behind any of it. Lyndon LaRouche did.)

They have a huge bronze statue of Kup now, welcoming everyone to Chicago.

Kathy C

Here is the website of my bookstore:

http://amazon.com/shops/paperandpen

I have about 75 books for sale. The link is so you can browse.

Kathy C

I finally have my link working correctly. I hope I didn't inconvenience anyone. You can now see the 75 books I currently have up for sale. Most of them are half off list price.

Kathy C

Delete double.

I wonder why Rivera picked Adele Edisen to experiment on. Was it because she was highly intelligent? And why a woman? Because no one would believe her in those days, no matter her education?

Kathy C

I've put another book up for sale that someone might like. It's Haldeman's Diaries, Inside the Nixon White House. Like reading about a litlle snow ball getting bigger and bigger till it's an iceberg. Stephen Ambrose provides the Introduction and Afterword.

The book costs $16.95 and is like new. I still don't know who Bebe Rebozo is. I'll look him up on the Internet.

Kathy C

That's correct. Even the plans for a lunar landing were started at a similar time; Kennedy simply made it a national goal.

For what it's worth, Nixon made the lunar landing his goal as well. I sometimes think Nixon wanted that 1969 landing because Kennedy had said we'd have a man on the moon by the end of this decade ('60's). I thought it was a quiet homage to the late President. Nixon often brought up President Kennedy in interviews and I think he felt guilt about John Kennedy. Although I don't think he liked his brothers, Robert and Ted. I'm reading Haldeman's Diaries and the Moon shot was glossed over.

Kathy C

For example, take a look at this 10 minute clip from Antonioni's 1966 "Blow Up." Does it all seem...I don't know...familiar?

Antonioni's Blow Up clip

The Omen had scenes like this, (1976)

Kathy C

Of course some people believe that the death of Karyn Kupcinet was related to the JFK case. I discovered this post on a conspiracy-related website called thecloakofdarkness.blogspot.com (it is not clear who is behind the blog or who posted this but there is now also a web-site dedicated to Kupcinet:

http://groups.yahoo....Karyn_Kupcinet/

The website states there is a book being written on her life, a collaboration between her niece Karu and a writer named Paul Fecteau. They have a website: www.research@paulfecteau.com

Re Mr. Fecteau:

http://www.washburn....u/biography.htm

John might want to ask him if he or Kari think her death was in fact related to the JFK case.

****************************************************************************

Karyn Kupcinet, Stage Name "Tammy Windsor"

Last night I was watching a Hawaiian Eye episode. I recognized Karyn Kupcinet and I thought she was not listed in the credits. I've had this episode for a few years. At the end, I noticed a number of credits. But why not her? I looked at the credits and found "The Clerk," which would describe the role Karyn had in this show. How I knew it was her was I'm looking at this girl and I start to see the mouth, the nose, the cheekbones of -- Irv Kupcinet! "The Clerk" was played by Tammy Windsor. Well this was a pseudonym I didn't know about. She is listed in IMDB and TV-Tome. But in most of the shows, I think she was known as Karyn Kupcinet. Not an easy name. There was a gossip columnist in Hollywood who kept begging her to change her name as people couldn't pronounce it. (Except in Chicago) People would pronounce the name as Ka-reen Kup-cin-ay. The name "Karyn" was another selection of hers. She was born as Roberta Lynn Kupcinet. They were having a hard time with her name. The parents were calling her Bobbe Lynn. Finally, Karyn was at some children's party and she came over to her parents and said, "This cookie is from your cookie." And so she was called Cookie. I don't know how old she was when her name first changed. I recall reading an old copy of Who's Who in the Midwest. Irv was listed, as was Essee, his wife, Jerry, his son and Cookie (deceased).

Biographers all thought she only appeared in one film, Jerry Lewis' The Ladies Man. I found out she appeared in the 1960 version of the film The Little Shop of Horrors. I think she plays "The Teenager," unless I'm thinking of one of her TV shows. Jack Nicholson is in the movie and I think it's a cult film. They're selling it on Amazon.com for $0.01 and shipping is $2.98. Just make sure which version you're getting. There was a Broadway version, etc.

I was wrong. Karyn's first appearance on Hawaiian Eye went uncredited. I looked at the cast and it said "Tammy Windsor" as the Clerk. The IMDb is wrong about this too.

She is not in Little Shop of Horrors.

Kari, Paul Fecteau and the Kupcinet family all believe David Lange, her downstairs neighbor, committed the act.

Paul Fecteau is a member here.

Kathy C

On stage at the Monterey Pop Festival:

"They're shooting this for television. I'm sure they're going to edit this out. I want to say it anyway, even though they will edit it out. When President Kennedy was killed, he was not killed by one man. He was shot from a number of different directions, by different guns. The story has been suppressed, witnesses have been killed, and this is your country, ladies and gentlemen."

- David Crosby Monterey Pop Festival 5/17/1967

Whose the guy who says "David was just trying to be hip"?

I think his name was Gene. When they did "Turn, Turn, Turn," he was the lead singer and he used to wear these little square glasses. I guess he didn't like anyone else being cool.

Kathy C

Kathy,

I will respond to your question posted on the 'Simulated Assassination' gone awry? thread, in this post, after the quote box.

http://www.maebrusse...s%20Pt%201.html

http://www.pittsburg...l/s_739551.html

http://www.ajweberma...2/nodulec29.htm

.....ALLEN DORFMAN

.... In 1979, Gerald Denono, a mafia hit man under federal protective custody, gave a diary to the FBI that he said he stole from Dr. Canale, a New Orleans physician linked to CARLOS MARCELLO. The entry dated January 5, 1973, read: "Fitz OK Al Dorfman chi ok.--Tony Pro Jersey ok ($500,---to C.C. = nix OK." This signified that a payment was made to NIXON through Charles Colson which had been okayed by Teamsters Allen Dorfman, Tony Provenzano and Frank Fitzsimmons. [NY Post 11.16.79] The name of Allen Dorfman surfaced in an off-shoot of the FBI's ABSCAM investigation. Allen Dorfman was involved in an attempt to bribe Senator Howard W. Cannon, (Dem.- Nevada) to sponsor favorable legislation. These charges were never proven because Allen Dorfman was gunned down gang-land style in Chicago.

After the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the Warren Commission received several reports that indicated an on-going relationship between RUBY and the Dorfmans. Justice Department investigator Walter Sheridan received information that RUBY had recently received money from one of the Dorfmans. Assistant United States Attorney Robert D. Peloquin was assigned to investigate the matter. Robert D. Peloquin, who at the time was part of United States Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy's "Get Hoffa Squad," was called off the case by his boss, Herbert J. Miller. [FBI 44-24016-112,1247; 62-109060-1528] Herbert J. Miller informed Robert Peloquin that he had contacted the source of the information concerning RUBY and the Dorfmans, and the source had refused to substantiate the information. Herbert J. Miller ordered "no further inquiry in this matter" because "the story would give Hoffa an opportunity to criticize the Justice Department for trying to tie Hoffa in with President Kennedy's murder." J. Edgar Hoover agreed: "I do wish Justice Department would mind it's own business." [FBI DC-44-1639 BL-E-cover pg; FBI CG 44-645- DWS: pl6, cover page B]....

Tom Scully -- do you think Red Dorfman had Karyn Kupcinet killed to shock Chicago about learning too much about Ruby and his connections?

Kathy C

I would prefer to just post yes because Karyn's father, Irv's behavior after Karyn's death and for the rest of his life seems that of a prominent yet incurious newspaper gossip and society columnist behaving as if he was under control by intimidation or other coercive influence. Irv Kupcinet knew Ruby and worked closely with Jimmy Colitz, one of Ruby's oldest and closest Chicago friends.

I cannot understand how Dorfman or anyone who at the least, was plotting to dispatch Ruby to permanently silence Oswald, would not take care to avoid any knowledge of the plot to be learned by a newspaper gossip columnist.

Kupcinet and his wife had 20 years experience avoiding antagonizing the numerous mob associates they regularly came in contact with in the course of their strong and regular presence around Chicago mob hangouts.

By 28 November, Dorfman and the organization he presumably needed permission from to permanently silence Kupcinet, his wife, her brother, and Jimmy and Ira Colitz, et al, through the murder of Karyn, had to know that their man, Earl Warren was going to chair the commission investigating Oswald and Ruby, and I suspect the Chicago organization was optimistic that Albert Jenner would be placed in an influential position on Warren's investigative team.

The organization Dorfman was part of was organized nationally and whatever part Dorfman and his organization played in the two murders and in the cover up, the details of the plot have mostly remained secret for 47 years.

I can't imagine Dorfman taking a unilateral decision to order the murder of Karyn, and why would the organization he needed to obtain permission from, be inclined to grant it for such a risky, secondary murder? Ruby had been coerced into giving up his future and risking his life without any influence beyond assumed threats, the accused assassin of JFK was dead as planned, and Warren was in charge of the cover up.

History has unfolded since in ways that show how powerful, influential, and well organized the people Dorfman, his step son, Ruby, Albert Jenner, and I suspect, Obama today have to answer to. Dorfman had to fear and respect them too much to order the murder of Karyn on his own. IMO, the organization by late November, had the success influenced confidence not to risk approving Karyn's murder.

Thank you, Tom. Honestly, the more I look at it the more her death seems like suicide. She was obsessed with her weight. I think, although slight in stature, she was big-boned like her father. When you have to have a lot of plastic surgery trying to be a TV actress, and take a lot of methamphetamine, I think that wears away self-confidence and sanity. Also, the man who lived beneath her, David Lange, may have killed her, then blacked out. He was a heavy drinker. He thought it was a bad dream possibly and then went up to her apartment the day after Thanksgiving to find out. She was dead. It wasn't a dream.

Kathy C

http://www.maebrusse...s%20Pt%201.html

http://www.pittsburg...l/s_739551.html

http://www.ajweberma...2/nodulec29.htm

.....ALLEN DORFMAN

.... In 1979, Gerald Denono, a mafia hit man under federal protective custody, gave a diary to the FBI that he said he stole from Dr. Canale, a New Orleans physician linked to CARLOS MARCELLO. The entry dated January 5, 1973, read: "Fitz OK Al Dorfman chi ok.--Tony Pro Jersey ok ($500,---to C.C. = nix OK." This signified that a payment was made to NIXON through Charles Colson which had been okayed by Teamsters Allen Dorfman, Tony Provenzano and Frank Fitzsimmons. [NY Post 11.16.79] The name of Allen Dorfman surfaced in an off-shoot of the FBI's ABSCAM investigation. Allen Dorfman was involved in an attempt to bribe Senator Howard W. Cannon, (Dem.- Nevada) to sponsor favorable legislation. These charges were never proven because Allen Dorfman was gunned down gang-land style in Chicago.

After the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the Warren Commission received several reports that indicated an on-going relationship between RUBY and the Dorfmans. Justice Department investigator Walter Sheridan received information that RUBY had recently received money from one of the Dorfmans. Assistant United States Attorney Robert D. Peloquin was assigned to investigate the matter. Robert D. Peloquin, who at the time was part of United States Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy's "Get Hoffa Squad," was called off the case by his boss, Herbert J. Miller. [FBI 44-24016-112,1247; 62-109060-1528] Herbert J. Miller informed Robert Peloquin that he had contacted the source of the information concerning RUBY and the Dorfmans, and the source had refused to substantiate the information. Herbert J. Miller ordered "no further inquiry in this matter" because "the story would give Hoffa an opportunity to criticize the Justice Department for trying to tie Hoffa in with President Kennedy's murder." J. Edgar Hoover agreed: "I do wish Justice Department would mind it's own business." [FBI DC-44-1639 BL-E-cover pg; FBI CG 44-645- DWS: pl6, cover page B]....

Tom Scully -- do you think Red Dorfman had Karyn Kupcinet killed to shock Chicago about learning too much about Ruby and his connections?

Kathy C

See if this one pulls up from different server.

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I've decided that this is not George HW Bush. This man is good looking. Their chins are very similar. That's it. He even looks bereaved. Well, that's one controversy put to rest.

Kathy C

See if this one pulls up from different server.

img600.imageshack.us/img600/7272/poppyindealeyplaza.jpg

More of the sordid trail of power and control:

http://www.apfn.net/rockefeller.htm

Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands joined the SS during the early 1930s .

He then joined the board of an I.G. subsidiary, Farben Bilder, from which he

took the name of his postwar super-secret policy making group, the

Bilderbergers . Farben executives played an important role in organizing

the Circle of Friends for Heinrich Himmler, although it was initially known

as Keppler's Circle of Friends, Keppler being the chairman of an I.G.

subsidiary . His nephew, Fritz J. Kranefuss, was the personal assistant to

Heinrich Himmler . Of the forty members of the Circle of Friends, which

provided ample funds for Himmler, eight were executives of I.G. Farben or of

its subsidiaries .

In Tennessee, the Rockefeller representative was a

Dr. Olin West, who moved on to Chicago to become the power behind the scenes

at the American Medical Association for forty years, as secretary and

general manager .

Jim, I have heard that there are 13 families that run America. The only ones I know of are: Rothchilds, Rockefeller, DuPont, JPMorgan, Hunt (H.L.). I don't remember the others. Could you tell me the rest of the families who decided Executive Action?

Kathy C

Thank you guys, we'll nip this in the bud.... I propose a study committee with a mandate to explore the prospect of consolidating ALL of the threads related to this particular topic/individual.

Do you want to chair the committee, Greg, or perhaps you, Michael?

2004:

The Real New Orleans and Judyth Baker

http://educationforu...ch=1

What do people think of Judyth Baker?

http://educationforu...ch=1

An old page of Judyth Baker

http://educationforu...ch=1

Question for Judyth Baker

http://educationforu...h=1

Judyth

http://educationforu...h=1

New Question for Judyth

http://educationforu...h=1

2005:

Leaving All Forums: Eye Problems, etc. Judyth thanks to all who have been so kind!

http://educationforu...h=1

Judith Baker New DVD

http://educationforu...h=1

Needed proof from Judyth Baker

http://educationforu...h=1

Judyth Baker

http://educationforu...ch=1

2006:

Judyth Baker and "The Green Amsterdammer

http://educationforu...h=1

2007:

a very interesting take on Judyth Vary Baker

http://educationforu...h=1

Saw Judyth's book advertised

http://educationforu...=1

Judyth Vary Baker and Stephen Roy

http://educationforu...h=1

John McAdams and Judyth Baker

http://educationforu...ch=1

2008:

Dr. Mary's Monkey David Ferrie & Judyth Baker

http://educationforu...=1

2009: (Was a good year....)

2010:

Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile A YouTube interview and a blog . .

http://educationforu...=1

Judyth and Lee, the movie script

http://educationforu...=1

For Jim/Judyth

http://educationforu...=1

For Jim/Judyth II

http://educationforu...=1

Review of Judyth Vary Baker Thread Members Give Impressions as to Logic in Debate

http://educationforu...=1

2011:

Haslam-Baker Dr. Mary's Monkey A polite dissenting view

http://educationforu...=1

On a more serious note, posting now, as a member, it is my personal observation that Jim Phelps does seem to author thread after thread without first searching to check if a relevant, existing topic would be a more appropriate place to post.

In fairness and in comparison with all other active members, it is possible Jim has been authoring a numerous enough number of new threads to maintain an overall average level of redundancy.

It's not Jim's fault about looking up threads. I've used the search engine here, often for nada (did you get that Greg?). I think it's you just don't like Judyth and that triathelon between Fetzer and the rest of us, still roils.

As for Tom Scully, you should be in Chicago, questioning people who knew that generation of mobsters. researching the particulars of the murder of Karyn Kupcinet. A shock killing for Chicago.Hmmm...

Kathy C

I have listed some more titles. Possibly some members may be interested.

The Age of Roosevelt: The Politics of Upheaval 1935-1936 by Arthur M. Schlesinger, volume 3 of 3, hardcover. $17

Secrets of the Code, hardcover edited by Dan Burstein $13

Angela's Ashes, Pulitzer Prize Winner by Frank McCourt, paperback: $4.00; hardcover: $14.00.

'Tis: A Memoir by Frank McCourt, hardcover: $13.00

Paper and Pen

Thank you,

Kathy C

If the shooters did well, they likely hid the gun between two of them at the Pergola's wall. So, the gun would not be seen and Jean would not have seen a shot fired by a gun in hand.

The so called "Black Dog Man" is more than likely two people leaned on that wall to conceal a gun like the XP-100 between them. The other shooters spot at Dal-Tex had person on the fire escape to keep people away from the window and draw off attention as someone calmly just sitting there.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/organ3.htm

Jean Hill would be able to hear where the very loud shot came from on the Grassy Knoll and point toward exactly where that shot came from and where two people were standing and see the "shooter". She points to exactly where the two people were leaned on the concrete wall as the firing position. It is highly logical, and does call in suspicion on the Zapruder and Secretary witnessing.

There is little chance Jean Hill would miss hearing the direction for a shot fired perhaps 50 ft. from her location and right at her direction. Her eyes would snap to that location via hearing the direction of the loud sound.

So, she is important to consider. Extremely important for the second head shot from the Knoll Area. It is a perfect no miss shot area from there. Highly logical firing area.

She gets this correct, certified by two films. Bob Harris does the best video presentation as the "bulge" effect at the back of JFK's head:

The "whole back" of Kennedy's head exploded as he was hit.

No

She told the Warren Commission that Kennedy's hair "rippled up" with no mention of the back of his head exploding.

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She appears to get the shot numbers right, as I detect five.

Heard four to six shots.

Yes

This places her among a tiny minority of witnesses who heard more than three shots, although there is no reason to doubt her sincerity.

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She appears to have gotten the "Lamb-Chop" observation correct:

Saw a little dog in the limo between John Kennedy and Jackie.

Yes

An odd but doubtless sincere observation. May have mistaken bouquet of chrysanthemums in limo for small dog.

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I find her eye-witness recollection to be invaluable.

As well as where JFK was headed next:

http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/

Shades of New Orleans Trade Mart associations and PERMINDEX----and who lived in Dallas----Nagy.

Is that a rambler like the one seen? The first car here, yellow.

I was able to see one of the photos. I'm going to study it, but it looks less like Bush. This man seems to have wavy hair on top of his head; not flat the way Bush wears it. But I'm going to take a good look at this photo. Thank you.

Kathy C

Jim, after you clear the cache on your computer, I don't think you'll be able to view the image at the link you've posted, either.

The left image is an enhanced enlargement sourced on the site where found it, to the Sixth Floor Museum. I don't think it solves this controversy. I don't think any photo evidence will matter.

This may be a young George HW Bush. As Ron Ecker said, he was a big crybaby. Look at his expression here. He looks bereaved.

Kathy C

Jim, after you clear the cache on your computer, I don't think you'll be able to view the image at the link you've posted, either.

The left image is an enhanced enlargement sourced on the site where found it, to the Sixth Floor Museum. I don't think it solves this controversy. I don't think any photo evidence will matter.

Thank you for the close-up, but I still want to see what Jim Phelps had. I tried all the suggestions Jim has given me. I keep getting "errors on page." I tried this with Internet and with Firefox. It isn't my browser.

Please Jim Phelps. Maybe send them to me via email or private message.

Yours Truly,

Kathy C

Kathy,

There are several of these Bush-41 pictures of him standing in the road where JFK was shot.

I've seen this one zoomed in and taken from the Grassy Knoll sidewalk, and one other one of him standing in the road in front of what appeared to be the Press Bus.

Jim, I can't see any of your pictures that you posted. Please try to post them again. Or is the picture on flickr or something like that? I am desperate to see these pictures.

Kathy C