Kathleen Collins

somebody who obviously has zero knowledge of the JFK assassination apparently was on the desk when this pictureof Jackie, JFK, John & Nellie Connolly was posted as part of UPI's 48th anniversary report. How can there ever be an intelligent discussion of what may or may not have happened on that day when history continues to be twisted, twisted, twisted by the years and supposed keepers of the historical record?

From what I could see, they were showing photos of that day for the 48th anniversary.

Kathy C

...Hi Duke... I remember we discussed this a few years ago...

I agree totally with your statement that "you can't get more detail out of a pixel than was recorded in the first place ...".

Actually, that is why I stopped any work with the process for 3 years, after I discovered the first image: I was convinced that it was some kind of high level optical trickery.

But facts are stubborn:

-the nemesis of optical illusions is enlargement: the level of details (at times, distinct facial features) visible even after major increment of enlargement (6, 8,10 and at times more...) goes far beyond what we should expect from a classic optical illusion, which evaporates at much lower scrutinity

-the process is reproducible: very early in my research, not aware of the fallibility of computers, i lost a complete file documenting Dallas Police presence in the DalTex Building.I had to rebuild it from scratch, with even better results. I have also worked on different versions of the same images, getting the same results

-it is not a matter of one image, found in one picture: it is a matter of several dozens of images, taken from films (Zapruder, Nix, Hughes) and pictures (Moorman, Belzner, Bond, Willis,Altgens, etc) showing very suspicious, undocumented activity by Dallas Police elements during the shooting.

Counting only those mentionned above, that makes 8 different but concurring sources providing identical information. That's a lot...

So, while I still agree with you that there is no way to extract any information that has not been previously recorded, my reasoning is now "What do we really know about the way visual data is recorded on photographic support?...".

My guess is now that what we can extract from the record is much more dependant on the tools at our disposal than previously thought. I think Wilson convincingly showed that, although I do not agree with most of his findings...

It is as you say: we discussed this several years ago. Or rather, I'd asked you about the process and you talked about the underlying thesis and the reproducible results ... but never described the process that is so "reproducible." You say it is, but don't tell us how to do it. That's what I asked you then, that's what I asked you this time.

If you don't want to tell us how to reproduce the process and merely want to tout the results you've obtained and the concept it's based on, stop complaining about how nobody seems to be interested in the information you're trying to "relay" without relaying it.

If it's reproducible, tell us exactly how to reproduce it. Otherwise, you're merely asking us to buy into a theory that's "so far beyond what is conventionally expected from optical enhancement" that all you can do is tell us why we should think it's valid without ever proving that it is. The proof is in the pudding known as "reproduction."

Please be patient with this man.

Kathy C

What is this "5 pm" business regarding the Sunday transfer of Oswald? That's the first I've heard of that.

Police Chief Jesse Curry positively told newsmen on Saturday night (and it's on videotape) that the transfer would take place around 10 am on Sunday -- not 5 pm.

So, even if (at some point on Saturday) the transfer had been tentatively scheduled for 5 pm on Sunday, Curry's statement on Saturday night, in which he expressly says to the press, "If you're here by 10:00 [am], that will be soon enough", would trump any earlier 5 pm estimate.

And Curry obviously wasn't suggesting that the press get there by 10:00 in the morning just so they could wait around for seven hours until 5 pm. That's crazy.

So I've got no choice but to do the following after reading Mr. Worthington's article about the "5 pm" scheduled transfer:

~shrug~

http://www.huffingto...ec1_lnk3|115185

I never heard of it myself. You'll have to read Douglas Caddy's first post on this thread. The Canadian journalist said it was "advertised" that they were going to move Oswald at 5 pm that Sunday. If this is true, it could explain why Ruby was with his dog; not expecting anything.

Kathy C

A Canadian Journalist:

"In Dallas I checked into the hotel -- I forget which one. I was exhausted and intended to sleep until the 5 p.m. advertised time of Oswald's transfer.

It was around 9 a.m. on the Sunday, and I remember thinking of my army days and the admonition: "Time spent on reconnaissance is never wasted." An agitated conscience persuaded me to check out the police station before bedding down. I wanted to know the lay of the land for the 5 p.m. move. I'd still catch a couple of hours sleep.

The police station was quiet, but stairs leading to the underground garage was alive with the babble of voices. I went down, prepared to show what credentials I had and to explain my dishevelled, unshaven presence if there was a security check.

He undergoes no security check. He proceeds to the garage and witnesses the killing

So Oswald was killed shortly after 11:00 am Sunday morning. What's always puzzled researchers is why did Ruby take his dog and go to Western Union to send someone money, leave the dog in the car and walk into the police garage. Then kill Oswald with no time to spare. How did he know what time they were taking him out?

He probably thought that they were going to move Oswald at 5pm, as advertised. The opportunity appeared and Ruby shot Oswald. So he stopped at Western Union and brought his dog and didn't expect to be shooting Oswald that morning.

I think he killed Oswald because he was made to. The Mob, CIA? I don't know. But maybe this is how Ruby got into the police station at the nick of time and killed Oswald. One feels sorry for the dog in the car: the sirens, the interminable wait

Kathy C

... as another proof of the process validity, I post below a composite of Black Dog Man from Belzner and Willis 5. Though evidently I have not worked as much on Willis, you can see that this image is already clear enough to allow for corroboration of the presence of a man in dark uniform behind the wall.

Like anyone knows, photo interpretation is quite tricky: we see with our brain, not our eyes. That is why I will only present here corroborated images, taken from different sources at different times but showing the same areas.

But when films corroborate pictures (and vice versa), and in turn corroborate acoustical findings and witnesses testimonies, I think we are actually making some progress here...

So let's examine a processed Black Dog Man, from 2 different points of view, at 2 slightly different times, and see how they compare...

...the caption refers to images that I will post later...

Please show us more and if you could elaborate on the method used. Is there a program one can buy?

Kathy C

I merely posted the enhancement for the benefit of those who participate and believe the speculation that Tan Man may be the shooter.

But let me get this straight.....

There are actually conspiracy theorists out there who think that "Tan Jacket Man" was the sixth-floor sniper? And then, after the shooting, this assassin in the tan jacket just hung around the Depository area in order to get himself photographed and filmed, instead of doing the wise and logical thing of high-tailing it out of Dodge asap?

Yeah, right. I'm pretty sure that happened. ....

2009 Documentary -- "JFK: 3 Shots That Changed America"

What I do find entertaining is that, based on the mere five seconds this guy appeared, that so many "conclusions" can be drawn: first, that he "hung around" the TSBD; second, that he did so "in order to get himself photographed and filmed;" third, that he wasn't "high-tailing it out of dodge asap;" and that, again based on five seconds of his "behavior," he can be either ruled in or out of anything...

I think that, absent knowing all of the above (and more), anyone would be foolish to assert that "TJM" had anything at all to do with the shooting, but I think it's equally foolish to claim to be able to so cocksurely eliminate the possibility based on such flimsy "evidence" and speculation.

I believe TJM was in the 6th floor window of TSBD. It's too much of a coincidence, that he'd be seen at the window and then walking in the crowd in the parking lot.

Kathy C

I hate to say "I told you so", but I nailed Tink as an op a long time ago and was attacked for doing so.

I am not surprised that you call Josiah an "op". With all due respect, it is fairly common for you to call folk who don't agree with you "disinfo agent" or some derivative of it.

I also observed earlier that he was setting himself up to proclaim that there was no conspiracy, after all.

He never said anything about there being no conspiracy. He just happens to believe differently than you. So do I, and on most things, but I would never call you an op because your views are different than mine.

Happy Thanksgiving--best wishes to you and yours.

Kathy

Kathy, do you believe in Conspiracy regarding the JFK murder? I'm just curious about your views. Do you believe Judyth is telling the truth? And that the Z-film has been altered? Did the limo come to a stop? Who was behind it? I currently believe that H.L. Hunt, who was the richest man in the world at that time, financed it. He was a prominent member of the John Birch Society.

Kathy C

Now we've all see this image... yet I had not read about how this man gets out to his perch and then back in again...

It would seem he exited the 2nd floor window

or may have come down from the third floor.... ?

Any more info on Fire Escape Man? (FEM? lol)

thanks

DJ

Near the upper right section of the first picture, which is magnified, are there 2 men hiding there with rifles or am I seeing things?

Kathy C

I wonder why Harry Weatherford's shot at Oswald was covered up till now.

Also, this is the first I've heard about firecrackers being thrown at LBJ's car from the grassy knoll as the car went by. And this was after Oswald had time to go down to the front door of the TSBD and wait for the sound of the firecrackers. LBJ's car was mighty slow-movin'.

I've heard just about everything now.

Well, here's another thing. Oswald wasn't at the 6th floor window, Ron. One of Duncan MacCrae's threads shows the man who was.

Kathy C

I remember this anniversary, or tragedy, every year. I mention it to people throughout the day. What happened on this date, 11-22-63, defines it as a day of infamy. We still see the damaging effects to which it has brought the US today. It's hard to believe in any respite in the future.

Our country and its people are experiencing such debt because President Kennedy wanted to use silver; but the Federal Reserve wanted to use gold, which we did not have much of but would aide the wealthy.

Think of the thousands of men, our youth, who lost their lives in Viet Nam. President Kennedy was about to take all the "advisors" from Viet Nam by the end of 1964 and let Viet Nam choose its own government.

President Kennedy wanted our money to be spent in this country, the US; instead of sending it to other countries first.

He was hated by the John Birch Society because of his civil rights bill proposal. The oil barons and big business (Bell Helicopter, US Steel, etc.) hated him, as did the families -- JP Morgan, Dupont, Rockefeller, Murchison, Rothschilds, Bush, etc. H.L. Hunt was so rabid a John Bircher, he possibly funded the assassination himself.

Kennedy's own military advisors thought he was soft on communism because he wouldn't let them send a nuclear missile to Cuba.

He promised to end the CIA; instead they put an end to him.

The Cuban Exiles hated him because he did not provide air cover to a situation about which cabinet members lied.

We see how our country has gone downhill without his policies. The US government has been taken over by uncaring wealthy people (which the Kennedys, despite their money, were not).

Even Obama is towing the line, just like the Clintons before him.

Kathy C

You did excellent work on the enlargements... thanks.. kind of like the grief I got for this one:

any help trying to find Norman, Williams and Jarman on the 5th floor...

THEY don't seem to be there - do they?

David, those black and white photos you're displaying are of a man who claimed to be Oswald in Mexico. Someone also said he was Ralph Geb. These pictures I've never seen before, except for one. The hair is similar to Tan Jacket Man. He looks amazingly like the tan jacket man, but seems heavier. Maybe they're brothers. Ralph Geb was supposed to have a brother.

These pictures were taken maybe 2 months apart..

In any case, he's not Oswald.

Kathy C

I just watched Nat Geo's show on Oswald. And of course, Oswald killed Kennedy with 2 bullets. The first bullet was "deflected by a traffic signal." The other 2 bullets killed Kennedy. And too, the traffic signal is not the same one from 1963. So how do they prove Oswald killed Kennedy? They show a photo of the traffic light from 1963 and could see a white nick on it, just where it would be if the shooter (Oswald) had fired at Kennedy a certain way and missed.

They showed about 2 seconds of the Nix film. You can see it accelerating, but they didn't show the Grassy Knoll where someone was firing at Kennedy from the parking lot. How do they get away with all this? When he clutches at his neck -- that's from the back? The 2 headshots, they were from the back? And Connaley must have received 2 shots.

I can't believe they keep trying to blame Oswald. No conspiracy. And now we find it isn't even Oswald -- neither Lee nor Harvey -- who shot out the window. We've got a third man.

In 1963 HL Hunt was the richest man in the world. He was also a rabid John Birch member. Some researchers believe he financed the Assassination. I wonder if there's a wealthy person in this country today who could finance the finding and showing of the Other film? Who could it harm now? The Secret Service, whose job it is to take a bullet for the President? They're in a dangerous job already. If only it was put secretly onto the youtube site.

Kathy C

See Duncan MacCrae's enlarged photo of the man in the 6th floor window.

Kathy

Plus: I think there's a problem with the "sizing" of the so-called "balding head" in Duncan MacRae's enhanced blow-up. I haven't done any measurements on this or anything, but just from eyeballing these pictures side-by-side, it's my opinion that the "person" in Duncan's blow-up can't possibly be a "person", unless this "person" has a very, very large head. When compared with the Dillard blow-up of Bonnie Ray Williams and Harold Norman on the left, it would appear as if this "person's" head in the right photo is taking up more than HALF of the entire window frame. Was a balding King Kong shooting at President Kennedy perhaps?:

2009 Documentary -- "JFK: 3 Shots That Changed America"

I think it's quite possible that this man shaved or bleached that patch in his hair as a way of identification. As far as the man having a big head, take a look at his forehead in the picture then look at the man in the parking lot -- the guy has a big forehead!

John McAdams wrote:

http://www.jfkassass...pic,5417.0.html

At least as good as the Badgeman analysis. But maybe no better.

Peter Fokes writes:

But that link leads to a page that shows the enhanced sniper nest man resembles

Tan Jacket Man from the Hughes film, not Oswald.

Does the enhanced sniper nest man really resemble the Tan Jacket Man?

Yes, Peter, he does. I am aware of the Rorschach effect, but even as Duncan admits, that would make it some coincidence.

If it is the same man, I believe it the person seen by some 6th floor witnesses, stopped by Baker on the 4th floor, and ultimately, Tippit's killer.

Looking at the Hughes film, to me, the man from about the 15 second mark, takes on a distinct Slavic appearance.

This is why I think that may be important

http://reopenkennedy...ppit-phone-call

Specifically in regard to CD 1096 concerning the book containing the prediction that any attempt on JFK would probably utilize Hungarian sharpshooters...

Hats off to Sean Murphy for the discovery of this man, and I hope he sees the comparison analysis posted by Duncan.

I think some serious progress has happened on this forum. I want to thank Gary Parker for agreeing because I think he is an excellent researcher. This was no Rorschach test. I want to thank Duncan MacCrae and whoever Sean Murphy is. Oswald didn't do it.

Kathy C

Let me just add that it doesn't matter one bit if the spot on "Tan Man" is a bald spot or if it is merely white in his hair. What is significant is that it matches the supposed image of the man in the sniper's nest, and could be the spot observed by Euins and Brennan.

If the footage of "Tan Man" in the sniper's nest could be cleared up the way it is in the one still posted by Duncan, it could really help us determine if what we are seeing is a face, or if it's simply a blob.

I don't know why there are so many naysayers here. It's more than a coincidence the way that man's hair is in the blow up and in the parking lot. Duncan has blown the image up to an extraordinary degree. I say his head is "big" because it's blown up so much so we can see it. And it's not Oswald.

It's curious that the man had that weird bald spot. Maybe it served as an identification mark to someone else involved in the Assassination. And that bald spot or whatever it is shouts out at you. He might have been walking around waiting for someone else involved in the Assassination to give him a ride. Or tell him what to do next. He's probably dead now. Too bad we don't know his name. I guess he's not Mac Wallace.

Kathy C

And now, a bit of speculation

Though I rarely agree with you, I think you're a genius. But do you also realize that with that gif you proved Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do it? That is not Lee Harvey Oswald. I wonder if anyone knows this guy. Did he work in the TSBD?

Kathy C

And he even has a tan jacket on!

From a friend. I hope I'm posting this in the right thread.

"

http://educationforu...opic=18339&st=0

A hint on where it is going to lead:

While this LHO Note is like LHO's handwriting in most respects, the major screw up is the name Harvy in place of Harvey. In all other respects it is an excellent forgery, or it is a real LHO note that contains a special threat.

No forger in his right mind would misspell LHO's middle name. So, one suspects that its intention is to convey some message. LHO is always playing spy games and even with his alias Alex Hidel.

If one then focuses on what LHO might gain by not spelling his middle name correctly one finds this little gem definitive.

=====

http://www.thinkbaby...meaning/1/Harvy

Harvy meaning and name origin

Harvy \

ha®-

vy\ as a boy's name is a variant of Harvey (Old English, Old French), and the meaning of Harvy is "eager for battle; strong and worthy".

====

It might suggest that LHO is ready to do battle against the evil Dallas 8F operations and HL Hunt.

If it is, as some few authors suggest, a Russian Forgery, then it becomes a clear threat that the Russians know the real story on HL Hunt. If the Russians composed the note, then it becomes a threat to expose the real deal on LHO and HL Hunt. It would be a real solid warning to get any and all misinformation off the Russians or else."

And now, a bit of speculation

Though I rarely agree with you, I think you're a genius. But do you also realize that with that gif you proved Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do it? That is not Lee Harvey Oswald. I wonder if anyone knows this guy. Did he work in the TSBD?

Kathy C

Yesterday, I paid a visit to the Grassy Knoll in Dallas via Google Earth Street View. They have updated their photos. Standing in the street near the Grassy Knoll were 2 men who looked like researchers. Then by the wall where Zapruder was trying to stay on top to film, there was another man, at one point staring right at the Street View camera. Another researcher.

The last time there it was sunny, but this day when they took the photos it was overcast. The north and south knolls were dark and shadowy. I tried to see what that white image next to the guy I saw getting up from behind the wall. In the Bell film you see this white object appear above the wall, like a person who was hiding and knew it was safe to get up before others did. That white object is a car in the parking lot?

And the Nix film shows a man shooting I guess from behind the picket fence, which was open. You can see the back of a white car (as with "Wall Man"). There is also a spark from the darkness of the knoll, nearer to the Pergola.

I still can't understand how someone parked in a Rambler above the South Knoll could have shot President Kennedy in the right temple. The position he and Jackie were in, I'm surprised she wasn't shot. I know there's a slope and twist to that section of Elm St. But I don't think it could be done, even though the limo came to a stop. Jackie's head was now very close to Kennedy's. There were, imo, at least 2 shooters on the Grassy Knoll and they succeeded.

Kathy C

Thanks for the update, Bernice.

Does anyone in the research community do audio/voice analysis?

Titovet's Oswald tapes from Minsk could be compared to samples from Oswald's statements recorded by the press while he was in custody in Dallas, or to the NO Radio debate to determine if the Minsk Oswald voice recording matches the New Orleans and Dallas Oswald voice recordings.

Just a thought.

His cursing in those days and laughing bring to mind Lee Oswald, not Harvey.

Kathy C

IMHO, this deserves a bump.

Roy now admits that he went from Miami to Dallas with Vidal on November 18, 1963 and returned to Miami on the afternoon/evening of November 22. They flew by private jet both ways. There were others, unnamed with them on the plane. Roy would not reveal who provided the plane. Roy would not say what he did in Dallas, or who he met there. Roy said that he did not shoot JFK, didn’t even know that JFK was to be in Dallas.

Roy said “Black Dog Man” was there to signal the bomber (to blow up the car on the other side of the underpass.)

They were going to bomb the car? Was a bomb planted in the car or was someone going to throw a hand grenade into the vehicle?

Roy's plane story sounds like Tosh's story.

Kathy C

IMHO, this deserves a bump.

Roy now admits that he went from Miami to Dallas with Vidal on November 18, 1963 and returned to Miami on the afternoon/evening of November 22. They flew by private jet both ways. There were others, unnamed with them on the plane. Roy would not reveal who provided the plane. Roy would not say what he did in Dallas, or who he met there. Roy said that he did not shoot JFK, didn’t even know that JFK was to be in Dallas.

Roy said “Black Dog Man” was there to signal the bomber (to blow up the car on the other side of the underpass.)

They were going to bomb the car? Was a bomb planted in the car or was someone going to throw a hand grenade into the vehicle?

Kathy C

Deleted double.

Just passing along this information...b

Ernst Titovets' book available at 2011 conventions! New Oswald audio!

Just an announcement to forum members that Dr. Ernst Titovets,

one of Oswald's closest friends in Minsk will have his book,

Oswald:Russian Episode available for purchase at the Dallas

conventions later this month. Andy from the Last Hurrah will

be handling the book at the conferences. As yet the book

unfortunately is not available in bookstores or online(yet).

In the meantime, Dr. Titovets has a website,

www.etitovets.com

with biographical information about the

author as well as links to unpublished snippets of taped

conversations with Oswald made in Minsk.

I encourage you all to visit his website and get in touch

with Andy if you are interested in purchasing the book but

can't attend the conferences.

Thanks!

Paula

Thanks Bernice!

Listening to LHO was fascinating. He had a good sense of humor!

--Tommy

Your welcome, i hope it will be available soon, the book, for those that are interested and cannot get to Dealey, it appears this time he has much attributations to his studies and qualifications, as well as his recorded documentation, nice for a change.. take care b..

I just listened to Oswald. Is it Oswald? When he reads Shakespeare he does so with an accent. Then you hear a tape where he is supposed to be a famous killer. You get to hear him say the F word and "Goddamn." His American accent was better.

http://www.etitovets.com/Recorded%20_voices.html

Kathy C

Kathy, the limo bomb was mentioned in Larry Hancock's book "Nexus"..might be in that thread...it was told to Twyman by Roy Hargreaves....

Thank you and Thomas for answering my questions. I was reading the other thread on Tosh Plumlee and realized he left of his own volition.

The bomb is scary.

Kathy C