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Kathy,
No, I don't.
Stop thinking "nations" in the conventional sense and start thinking "power" and "profit" and, perhaps most significantly, "families."
Charles
I know families. In US: Morgan, Rothschilds, Rockefeller, Murchison, DuPont, Hunt, Bush....
Kathy
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B. Was the JFK murder a "security liaison arrangements" between CIA, KGB and the MI? Means: between the US and some foreign governments? If so those files are never ever available for researchers. And the question is no longer: Sowjets, or US, but, US with whom, killed the president.
Karl,
You are very close to the truth.
To get closer, I humbly suggest that you examine and redefine/expand your current definitions of "governments."
Good work.
Charles
Do you mean Israel?
Kathy
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Eddowes gave me a copy of a small 75-page paperback book he privately published
in December 1978, titled ...
LEE HARVEY OSWALD -- Report on the Activities of an Impostor who Assassinated
President John F. Kennedy.
This little book is not known by most researchers and is possibly one of
the rarest of assassination books. One of its features which is hard to find is
the autopsy report of LHO. This little book was a precursor to his later books,
which advocated "the Russians did it" theory. All of his books have much
useful information, but a bad conclusion therefrom. Eddowes worked with Marina
to get the LHO corpse exhumed and autopsied.
Jack
Jack, Thanks for the background on Eddowes. But I must take exception to your description of the event being an autopsy. The accused assassin, like his other alleged victims - JDT, JC and JFK, should have and may someday be subjected to a real forensic autopsy, the purpose of which is develop evidence that can be admitted in a court of law.
The autopsy JFK and others received were only meant to determine the cause of death.
Whatever they did to LHO in Texas at Eddowes direction, was a butcher job, and their purpose was only to determine identity, which they did to their own satisfaction.
It will take someone with the determination of Eddowes to get proper forensic autopsies for the vicims of Dallas.
BK
Bill...the "exhumation autopsy" was performed by Dr. Linda Norton, Dallas County Medical Examiner.
The press referred to it as an autopsy.
Jack
Where can we get LHO's first autopsy? And J.D. Tippit's? They buried Tippit so fast, didn't they? It took a Professor (and member here) $150 to get Karyn Kupcinet's autopsy.
If you would indulge me -- I found out where you could request autopsies in LA. Over a span of a year, I requested it 3 times. No answer. I asked for it again and my email returned immediately -- they blocked me. The guy who runs findadeath.com emailed me and asked me if I was the woman who requested the autopsy 3 times. Yes. He said, "Is there a hurry on this?" No, she's been dead only 44 years. "I looked at it," he said. "There's nothing unusual." No, there's nothing unusual about a homicide victim who died either from having her carotid artery shut off or via a karate chop; and with a copious amount of whitish fluid in her birth canal.
Apparently, he gets leads from someone there about celebs' deaths that he can use for his gay website. For some reason I don't think he wanted to do anything on KK on his site. All of a sudden he has scruples?
About LHO: I believe he was a Russian agent. But he did not kill JFK. It was a conspiracy. "Harvey" was pretty stupid if he didn't know how he was being set up as the patsy.
Kathy
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I know they're spying on us. Kathy Beckett is one.
The other Kathy
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[quote name='Terry Mauro' post='136131' date='Feb 6 2008, 01:38 AM'
Well, I think I'll just take this opportunity to cut across party lines and vote for Ron Paul, American Independent that I am.
At least his take on The Federal Reserve echoes mine, and hopefully he might be able to really get something done. That is, unless someone decides to put a bullet through his head, or character assassinate him, a la Bill Clinton style. I'm pro-choice, but I won't allow that small issue to get in the way. Not if he's able to pull off what he's claiming to try and accomplish.
Anyhow, your vote only really matters when it involves issues on a local level, such as state, county, or city. And, even then you've got to watch your back. Especially with regard to the state.
When you really come right down to it, it's still the same old story since the late 60's. 1 party - 2 branches, and Wall Street rules.
Yes, if Ron Paul got close and wanted to change the Federal Reserve, he'd be a dead man. Will never happen. Not if the likes of Clint Murchison III can, imo, kill his ex-wife, mother of his children, and walk away from it a free man. Does anyone think they'd hesitate in killing Obama or Ron Paul?
Kathy
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An underrated member of the JBS was the University of Illinois professor of philology Dr. Revilo P. Oliver, who wrote:
"In memoriam aeternam
"Rational men will understand that, far from sobbing over the deceased or lying to placate his vengeful ghost, it behooves us to speak of him with complete candor and historical objectivity. Jack was not sanctified by a bullet.
"The defunct Kennedy is the John F. Kennedy who procured his election by peddling boob-bait to the suckers, including a cynical pledge to destroy the Communist base in Cuba. He is the John F. Kennedy with whose blessing and support the Central Intelligence Agency staged a fake 'invasion' of Cuba designed to strengthen our mortal enemies there and to disgrace us — disgrace us not only by ignominious failure, but by the inhuman crime of having lured brave men into a trap and sent them to suffering and death. He is the John F. Kennedy who, in close collaboration with Khrushchev, staged the phony 'embargo' that was improvised both to befuddle the suckers on election day in 1962 and to provide for several months a cover for the steady and rapid transfer of Soviet troops and Soviet weapons to Cuba for eventual use against us. He is the John F. Kennedy who installed and maintained in power the unspeakable Yarmolinsky-McNamara gang in the Pentagon to demoralize and subvert our armed forces and to sabotage our military installations and equipment. He is the John F. Kennedy who, by shameless intimidation, bribery, and blackmail, induced weaklings in Congress to approve treasonable acts designed to disarm us and to make us the helpless prey of the affiliated criminals and savages of the 'United Nations.'
"I have mentioned but a few of the hundred reasons why we shall never forget John F. Kennedy. So long as there are Americans, his memory will be cherished with execration and loathing. If the United States is saved by the desperate exertions of patriots, we may have a future of true greatness and glory — but we will never forget how near we were to total destruction in the year 1963. And if the international vermin succeed in completing their occupation of our country, Americans will remember Kennedy while they live, and will curse him as they face the firing squads or toil in brutish degradation that leaves no hope for anything but a speedy death...."
(From "MARXMANSHIP IN DALLAS" by Professor Revilo P. Oliver, published in American Opinion, February 1964.)
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It's interesting though not surprising how so many people (including highly-respected 2007 Education Forum Award winners) are under the impression that Senator Obama is a Muslim. He seems a bit more "well-rounded" than that, which is so alien and unpalatable in the United States that I guess he might as well be Muslim......
Many people believe President Kennedy took us close to nuclear war, including Gore Vidal. But they should read Brothers by David Talbot. Kennedy had a very difficult time with his military joint chiefs, like Curtis Le May. These military officials were demanding of Kennedy to bomb Cuba with nuclear weapons. He said NO. His presidency was very rough. These men hated him, but Kennedy stood tall and would not give in. I would go ahead and say, imo, that the assassination stemmed from their quarters. I think the Military killed Kennedy and were financed by Texas Oil and taught new tricks by the CIA.
Please read Brothers.
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I know this won't interest most of the Americans on this board, but I don't like to leave one stone unturned. In 1979, Sir Richard Asher, father to Jane (actress), Peter (music producer) and Claire (teacher), went missing for 3 days. The cops (bobbies?) searched the huge Victorian mansion where the Ashers lived at 18 Wimpole St in London and found him dead in the basement, having killed himself with pills and alcohol. It was stated publicly that he was having financial troubles.
Sir Richard Asher was an Endocrinologist on Harley St, very impressive. He was known as an "eccentric." I can't find much info on him. Could someone tell me more about this man?
His wife was a music professor and gave oboe lessons. The children -- all redheads -- were put into show business at an early age. I met Jane Asher in 1971. I'm curious. Was his death ever considered foul play and for what reason? He, his wife and children were successful, creative individuals. He was knighted. Where does the suicide come from?
Kathy
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What tape is this? Is there a transcript available? This is fascinating.
I don't know which tape specifically is being referred to, but you can bet your bootie much of Oswald's and Marina's converstations and actions were taped and still held in Russia. I have a contact I'm trying to obtain files/transcripts from. Aside from the things they actually talked about, what languages they spoke would be most enlightening!...I think Russia is withholding them to not anger the USA on something they don't have a big stake in...IMO. [i.e. the tapes would blow the whole official version out of the water]
The link below will take you to a small extract of the tape Kathy is referring to. Denis. http://www.russianbooks.org/oswald/tapes.htm
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Hi Denis:
The DVD is called, "American Assassin" out last year...2007......
It is very one sided, you get my meaning, but there is much information within ...
It is available at Amazon but the best price is at
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?...rm=frooglemovie
People will just have to break open that piggy bank and order it...
Ernst Titovetz , his closest friend while there, also states what you have, in the past, they were young
men and fooling around one day with a tape machine, and LHO was trying to put on an accent....there
was much kabitzing going on....
B.....
Thanks Bernice, I didn't even realise the DVD existed, It's a definite buy for me. Thanks again, you little font of knowledge you. Denis.
Denis, can I ask you a favor? When you get the DVD, could you tell us if that tape is included and how long it goes on? I'm waiting for a credit approval.
Kathy
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Hi Denis:
The DVD is called, "American Assassin" out last year...2007......
It is very one sided, you get my meaning, but there is much information within ...
It is available at Amazon but the best price is at
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?...rm=frooglemovie
People will just have to break open that piggy bank and order it...
Ernst Titovetz , his closest friend while there, also states what you have, in the past, they were young
men and fooling around one day with a tape machine, and LHO was trying to put on an accent....there
was much kabitzing going on....
B.....
Actually, today the best price for the DVD is at Amazon as Used - Very Good: $7.44 plus $2.98 = $10.42.
As for Ernst and Oswald, I don't buy that they were just fooling around -- I think this is disinformation. What I heard was a man struggling to read English.
I'll see what is on the DVD, even though, according to Bernice, it's slanted. I don't want to hear how Oswald killed Kennedy.
Kathy
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What tape is this? Is there a transcript available? This is fascinating.
I don't know which tape specifically is being referred to, but you can bet your bootie much of Oswald's and Marina's converstations and actions were taped and still held in Russia. I have a contact I'm trying to obtain files/transcripts from. Aside from the things they actually talked about, what languages they spoke would be most enlightening!...I think Russia is withholding them to not anger the USA on something they don't have a big stake in...IMO. [i.e. the tapes would blow the whole official version out of the water]
Part of the tape you can hear online. It's the voice of LHO or Harvey trying to read English. The same voice is heard on the 2 shows Oswald did for radio and at Dallas PD. His command of the English language 3 years since Minsk is much better. I think the man who arrived from Russia is a Russian man.
As for transcripts of tapes, the KGB bugged Marina and Harvey's rooms. Much of their conversations and fights are translated in Norman Mailer's book, Oswald's Tale. There are no audio tapes to hear. Marina constantly put Oswald down.
Kathy
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Fellow members, I have been in touch with Gary Mack today via email about the Oswald Russian tape. He told me the tape hasn't been released by the KGB. The Museum doesn't have it. Gary would like it if someone would donate the book Harvey and Lee to the 6th Floor Museum in Dallas. I think it's a historic book and should be donated to any organization -- despite personalities -- regarding President Kennedy Assassination Research.
Kathy Collins
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Was the man ( Norton) John Judge etc met deluded? Possible, IMO he was definitely trying to appear dark and mysterious and give the impression he was Oswald, but I dont belive he ever made that particular claim. There certainly seems to have been an attempt to "sheep dip" Oswald by having someone impersonate him, but I personally dont belive in the extreme nonsense that Armstrong put's forward in his book. You, of course, will have to make up your own mind. Personally, I dont belive there ever was a "Harvey and Lee", just a Lee, who was slain by Ruby. Going back to Oswald's accent, dont forget that he suffered badly from bullies at school in New York, making fun of his southern speech, he also seems to have been embarrassed by his accent which he deliberately tried to hide. I belive that accounts for his rather "unnatural" sounding voice. Kathy, with respect, you seem totally obsessed with Norton and Harvey and Lee, maybe its time to forget that nonsense and move on. Believe me every thing becomes a lot clearer without that disinformation. Up to you honey, good luck. Denis.
Denis, recently I posted a theory about the death of actress Karyn Kupcinet. I'd like your opinion:
Next, was Karyn Kupcinet. I believe there was a contract out on her. Mafia bigwig, Paul Dorfman, realized that some kind of major happenstance in Chicago was needed to take the pressure off the Mob and Jack Ruby. He spent the weekend of Kennedy's death in Palm Springs, CA. Karyn Kupcinet was also in Palm Springs for the weekend. Did Dorfman see her? Somehow, her father, Irv Kupcinet, got in touch with Dorfman in Palm Springs, and asked about Ruby. I think Dorfman had a brainstorm: kill Karyn Kupcinet, who was Irv Kupcinet's daughter, so well-known in Chicago. That headline would overpower anything about Jack Ruby and the Mob. A distraction, needed to get the heat off the Chicago Mob. I think the killer cut off her carotid artery in a headlock and placed her face down on the couch. The face down was an additional insult, especially to a woman. The blood would center in her face and leave her discolored. Then her father flew to West Hollywood and had to identify her. Only, in Kup's case, a close family friend did it for him. Irv, prominent columnist and talk show host, wouldn't have Ruby on his mind.
Kathy
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Kathy, there's a longer version of this tape, easily found on the web, which has Oswald speaking in his normal American accent as well as his rather poor imitation of an upper class English accent. The longer version makes it more obvious, IMO, that Oswald is just fooling around. Its been suggested by some that this recording is really "Oswald" being taught how to speak English, if this was true I dont belive his KGB "teacher" would have handed the tapes over. Just my opinion. When it comes to Norton, whom I know your extremely interested in, all common sense seems to fly out the window. Had LHO survived he would have been taken back to Russia and "got rid of", at the very least he would have been hidden away somewhere very remote. The Russians would have 100% definitely NOT have allowed him to go back to the USA, let alone start talking to JFK researchers. Rethink Armstrong, his theories are so ludicous I wouldn't be surprised if the guy was pure disinformation, this is certainly the kind of wacko theory that gets researchers laughed at by the public. And no politician will ever support the research community whilst nonsense like that is being supported. Denis.
Denis, or anyone, where can I find the longer Minsk tape of Oswald that supposedly lasts 2 hours?
Kathy
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I would love to find the longer version of the Russian tape. I'll have to keep plugging along. Norman Mailer was able to learn a lot of info from the KGB when Russia split. Why not the tape?
Kathy
I have found this on jfk-info:
In the widely read book on the JFK assassination, Crossfire (Carroll and Graf: NY) by Jim Marrs, he includes a chapter entitled, "Was Oswald Really Oswald?" dealing with the numerous "Oswalds" that seemed to be in several places at once, along with a summary of the events surrounding the exhumation of Oswald's remains in 1981 initiated by Eddowes with the eventual support of Marina Oswald Porter. It is interesting to note that, according to researcher Gary Mack, "three language experts at Southern Methodist University in Dallas studied tape recordings made of Oswald. They were not told the identity of the man whose voice they heard. All agreed that the English words spoken seemed acquired later in life - that English was not the native tongue of the man on the tape."(108) Marrs also quotes Mrs. Jeanne DeMohrenschildt, widow of George DeMohrenschildt, as recalling that Oswald "spoke in deliberate and precise terms, rarely ever using slang or curse words"(108) and certainly didn't sound like a boy brought up in the South.
Kathy
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Kathy, there's a longer version of this tape, easily found on the web, which has Oswald speaking in his normal American accent as well as his rather poor imitation of an upper class English accent. The longer version makes it more obvious, IMO, that Oswald is just fooling around. Its been suggested by some that this recording is really "Oswald" being taught how to speak English, if this was true I dont belive his KGB "teacher" would have handed the tapes over. Just my opinion. When it comes to Norton, whom I know your extremely interested in, all common sense seems to fly out the window. Had LHO survived he would have been taken back to Russia and "got rid of", at the very least he would have been hidden away somewhere very remote. The Russians would have 100% definitely NOT have allowed him to go back to the USA, let alone start talking to JFK researchers. Rethink Armstrong, his theories are so ludicous I wouldn't be surprised if the guy was pure disinformation, this is certainly the kind of wacko theory that gets researchers laughed at by the public. And no politician will ever support the research community whilst nonsense like that is being supported. Denis.
I would love to find the longer version of the Russian tape. I'll have to keep plugging along. Norman Mailer was able to learn a lot of info from the KGB when Russia split. Why not the tape?
Donald O. Norton is a puzzle to me. These yearbook photos -- why do we have them if they're not relevant? And the photos I found of Norton and Geb as adults? I guess the initial photos John Armstrong discovered. But Norton isn't mentioned in Armstrong's book, Harvey and Lee. Someone, probably a long time ago, identified these pictures as Lee Oswald, who escaped Dallas. But if Lee resembled Harvey, why does he have red hair? The origin of all this puzzles me. Maybe Jack White knows they're relevance. They are true redheads, not dyed. How could they resemble Oswald?
Basically, where did these photos come from? What happened to the real Lee Oswald? Would he be able to walk around and tell Mae Brussel he was Donald O. Norton/Lee Oswald? Supposedly John Judge and others saw this man and were struck with his resemblance to Harvey. Was this man they saw deluded, believing he was connected to the Kennedy Assassination? He supposedly was sending Mae Brussell money and recited word for word Harvey's words from his radio show appearance. I guess he would make a good mate to Judyth Baker.
I'm going to try and find the longer version of that Russian tape.
Kathy
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Kathy, I can assure you that anyone who is British, including me, can tell a mile away that the accent on the tape is not a British accent from any Bristish region, nowhere close, and his American accent shines through very cleary on those tapes.
Duncan
Duncan, not that it matters, but I'm 100% Irish descent. If you'll listen again to that tape from Russia, he speaks in a weird British accent mixed with another accent. He seems to be a native Russian or Hungarian, and somone with a British accent early on began teaching him English. It's bizarre. Then when you listen to Oswald in America, on the 2 radio broadcasts and at the Dallas Police Station, it's the same voice, only now, after 3 years, he's got a good command of American English.
Your Friend,
Kathy
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Can any members, Jack White maybe, post a photo of the real Lee Oswald (as opposed to Harvey) that you are sure is Lee?
I was reading old posts on Phil Ochs, and the writer, Mr. Glover, said after the assassination he saw a man looking like the man they had in custody (Harvey) but taller. And I read Judyth saying Harvey was brought up in the US and came from the Cajun-French section of Louisiana, and that that's where he got his accent. I believe Harvey came from Russia. As I said before there's a tape of Harvey stammering over English words with a weird British accent. It was the same voice of the man Ruby killed. But his English was now fluent. Judyth also said there was a lot of inbreeding in Cajun, LA, and a lot of men looked like Harvey. (She calls him Lee.)
Where are the Lee pictures? The one in the classroom, in which he's showing his missing tooth, I believe is Lee. But what about when he was older?
Kathy
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What a sad thread this is!
Except for the splice in the beginning , THE ZAPRUDER FILM WAS NOT ALTERED IN ANY WAY!
This ranks in the same category as Badgeman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjv59Xqlwds
Wim
What kind of a--h--- govt employee, knowing he's got the most historic film in the world, is going to make a mistake by splicing the Zapruder film? His head would roll too. It was done deliberately IMO.
Kathy
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Clinton's LBJ Comments Infuriated Ted Kennedy
By Mary Ann Akers
Washington Post
January 31, 2008
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/01/post_11.html
There's more to Sen. Edward Kennedy's endorsement of Barack Obama than meets the eye. Apparently, part of the reason why the liberal lion from Massachusetts embraced Obama was because of a perceived slight at the Kennedy family's civil rights legacy by the other Democratic presidential primary frontrunner, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).
Sources say Kennedy was privately furious at Clinton for her praise of President Lyndon Baines Johnson for getting the 1964 Civil Rights Act accomplished. Jealously guarding the legacy of the Kennedy family dynasty, Senator Kennedy felt Clinton's LBJ comments were an implicit slight of his brother, President John F. Kennedy, who first proposed the landmark civil rights initiative in a famous televised civil rights address in June 1963.
One anonymous source described Kennedy as having a "meltdown" in reaction to Clinton's comments. Another source close to the Kennedy family says Senator Kennedy was upset about two instances that occurred on a single day of campaigning in New Hampshire on Jan. 7, a day before the state's primary.
The first was at an event in Dover, N.H., at which Clinton supporter Francine Torge introduced the former first lady saying, "Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated. And Lyndon Baines Johnson was the one who actually" signed the civil rights bill into law.
The Kennedy insider says Senator Kennedy was deeply offended that Clinton remained silent and "sat passively by" rather than correcting the record on his slain brother's civil rights record.
Kennedy was also apparently upset that Clinton said on the same day: "Dr. [Martin Luther] King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Ac. It took a president to get it done."
Both comments that day, by Clinton and her supporter, were meant to make the point that Clinton would be better equipped to get things done as president than Obama, her chief Democratic rival. Sources say Clinton called Kennedy to apologize for the LBJ comments. But whatever she said clearly wasn't enough to assuage Kennedy, who endorsed Obama earlier this week.
Kennedy insiders say the Massachusetts senator has also been angry with former President Bill Clinton for his "Southern strategy" themed comments on the campaign trail. The senator didn't hide his disdain for the nasty tone of the campaign during his endorsement speech at American University on Monday.
Kennedy's spokeswoman, Melissa Wagoner, would neither confirm nor deny that the senator was angered by Senator Clinton's LBJ comments. She simply said: "Senator Kennedy knows that candidates can't always be responsible for the things their supporters say. He's proud of President Kennedy's role in the civil rights movement, and believes that it's time to unify and inspire Americans to believe we can achieve great things again."
The Clinton campaign hasn't responded yet to our evening-time request for comment on Clinton's telephone apology to Kennedy. On the day of the LBJ rhetoric, however, a Clinton campaign spokesman was quoted on the New York Times' politics blog distancing Clinton from the surrogate who made the inappropriate assassination comment.
Did anyone see Bill Clinton stumping for his wife yesterday? He referred to 9/11 and said that the Conspiracy Theorists were wrong, that 12 (?) Saudi Arabians brought the towers down and that other countries laugh at us because we believe our own country did it. He said if you believe in these conspiracy theories get away from here. We don't want you.
I wonder how he felt when Vince Foster was found dead. Someone told me an anecdote; maybe someone here knows its origins. When Clinton took office, he got together his military chiefs and said, "I want to know everything about the Kennedy Assassination and I want to know everything about UFOs." One of them replied, "You don't have high enough clearance." That must have been a kick in the head.
Kathy
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I agree that he should have very tight security - but then again, so should Hillary. It seems that there are people - not government forces, NWO or illuminati, but simply wacko individuals or groups - who seem to think it's their duty to assassinate someone simply because they are different.
If govt forces, NWO and illuminati are not wacko... You say wacko individuals -- Like Lee Harvey Oswald?
Kathy
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Anyone ever heard of this book?
Kennedy Ripples: A True Love Story.
Description
Published by Lillian James Publishing, Los Angeles, 1994. First Edition. Binding is: Hardcover. . Book condition: Fine (F)/Jacket condition: Fine (F). Standard Book Size. . Inscribed and signed by author. . A very unusual book with links to the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Signed and inscribed by the author on the first free end page. 433 pages.
Publisher Notes
Based on extraordinary events that dramatically changed the life of the author, "Kennedy Ripples" unravels the human side of this century's greatest murder mystery as well as the unmerciful restrictions of celibacy. Pushing on the doors of sacred vows, this young married woman knew that loving her parish priest was forbidden. Yet, dauntlessly she & the priest enter into the abyss of secret, passionate love. Driven by their deepest desires, neither can avoid the inevitable. However, the priest is appointed director of the Dallas Cuban Relocation Committee, sending the veiled relationship in a frightening new direction. In the months prior to November 22, a Cuban temptress, Sylvia Odio, arrives on the scene to seduce the priest--but why? What is her diabolical secret that links her directly with accused assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald? Six weeks before Kennedy's murder, the priest mysteriously disappears, setting into motion Marianne's painful quest for the bitter truth. A gritty world of sordid intrigue & attempted murder await her as she follows her heart in the relentless search for her abducted love. A rogue's gallery of characters, straight out of the Warren Report, becomes the obstacle she must deal with as the layers of mystery unravel to a shocking revelation.
Steve Thomas
Who's selling the book? It's non-fiction?
Kathy
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"Jerry Rubin ... Somewhat of a friend to John Lennon." ? - John describes meeting Jerry with some trepidation. In a short time, he recognised, what he already knew in principle, that the persona created by the Media is frequently different from the truth, and saw in Jerry a true artist, Jerry responded that he saw in John a true revolutionary. Jerry, and other people John and Yoko met in NY were a significant part of John 'falling in love' with NYC.
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Jerry Rubin used John Lennon. It was because of the likes of Jerry Rubin, who -- as Lennon termed it -- got a "cushy job" -- that Lennon died. And Rubin: do you think his getting hit by a car was an accident?
Kathy
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JD Tippit. Did Lee Oswald kill him because Tippit thought he was Harvey and would have killed Lee?
Then Oswald. Jack Ruby shot Harvey. But what happened to Lee?
Next, was Karyn Kupcinet. I believe there was a contract out on her. Mafia bigwig, Paul Dorfman, realized that some kind of major happenstance in Chicago was needed to take the pressure off the Mob and Jack Ruby. He spent the weekend of Kennedy's death in Palm Springs, CA. Karyn Kupcinet was also in Palm Springs for the weekend. Did Dorfman see her? Somehow, her father, Irv Kupcinet, got in touch with Dorfman in Palm Springs, and asked about Ruby. I think Dorfman had a brainstorm: kill Karyn Kupcinet, who was Irv Kupcinet's daughter, so well-known in Chicago. That headline would overpower anything about Jack Ruby and the Mob. A distraction, needed to get the heat off the Chicago Mob. I think the killer cut off her carotid artery in a headlock and placed her face down on the couch. The face down was an additional insult, especially to a woman. The blood would center in her face and leave her discolored. Then her father flew to West Hollywood and had to identify her. Only, in Kup's case, a close family friend did it for him. Irv, prominent columnist and talk show host, wouldn't have Ruby on his mind.
Irv Kupcinet had no idea anything was wrong with his daughter until Saturday night, November 30, when he and his wife were attending an event at the Sara Lee cheesecake factory near Chicago. They were interrupted by a phone call from a friend who had seen a television news flash on the death of the young woman in West Hollywood, CA. That gives Irv six days after Ruby shot Oswald to print any dangerous secrets he knew about Ruby. He didn't print any. That shoots a big hole in your theory.
Mary Pinchot Meyer -- shot several times. Main suspect was acquitted and case went unsolved.
Dorothy Kilgallen -- found propped up in bed with full make-up on, apparently reading a novel -- though she had told someone she had already read it. An overdose of sleeping pills and alcohol. I'll admit she was alcoholic. No sign anywhere of her file on President Kennedy's Assassination. It took 8 days to complete the autopsy -- why?
Then her best friend, F. Pritchard Smith, a woman who lived a few blocks away from Dorothy in NY, died right after Kilgallen. Dorothy supposedly left her file on JFK with this woman.
Her name was Florence Pritchett Smith. Her surviving son Earl says she was not murdered, and he wants the fantasy about her holding dangerous secrets to stop. He was interviewed by a researcher for Midwest Today magazine, whose 2007 article on Kilgallen has been cited in Education Forum. You can find a URL link to it.
Other strange deaths in the sixties: Phil Graham, a Manic-Depressive Washington D.C. journalist, supposedly shot himself in his bathroom without any warning. Probably not connected, but was a suspicious death.
How can you say that without citing any sources at the Chestnut Lodge Sanitarium, where staff members reluctantly gave permission, the day before Mr. Graham died, for him to leave the grounds of the institution for a weekend ? Also, Kay Graham's Pulitzer Prize - winning memoir "Personal History" says she was the only person anywhere near her husband when he shot himself. She was taking a short nap. It was a Saturday. I will admit Phil Graham was an alcoholic even if you won't.
There was the military photographer who had in his office negatives of President Kennedy's autopsy photos. If I remember correctly, he shot himself in the head, but with the wrong hand.
Kathy
The military man mentioned as having the autopsy photos was Pitzer, I believe.
Ruby shot Oswald on November 24th. Karyn Kupcinet was killed early November 28th. In the meantime, Irv was digging. Who knows who else he spoke to? But the thing is, he covered the Kennedy funeral in his column. That I can verify. I don't know if he mentioned Ruby. And in later years he was vehemently against the film JFK by Oliver Stone. He was against conspiracy. The mob wanted Ruby and themselves out of the headlines. I believe Paul Dorfman sent a hitman to kill Karyn Kupcinet in her apartment the night of Nov. 27/28. This served to shock Chicagoans and make them forget their one-time resident, Ruby, for awhile. Get the heat off the Mob.
Do you see how close her murder was to Oswald's? She had 2 male friends in her house thet night she died, was upset about her ending love affair and was killed when the 2 guys left -- perfect timing. They would bear the brunt of this murder as suspects. Easy as pie.
Irv did not have anything on Ruby yet. Dorfman wasn't going to tell him anything. But he was digging. She was killed mainly as a convenient distraction.
My theory.
The info about Phil Graham came from the book Katherine Graham. I am having a difficult time locating it in my house. I'm not sure who the author was. Also the book about Mary Pinchot Meyer may have mentioned Phil Graham. A Private Woman by Nina Burleigh. May have spelled the last name wrong.
Kathy
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What about that great american wit Cassius Clay with his devastating political quips and great courage in refusing to go to Vietnam.Also that great Detriot middleweight Henry Hank and David Thoroux of Walden Pond and U.S Grant whose wisdom and insight at the end of the civil war in not taking revenge probably ensured that the war did end at that juncture.
I agree with you about Muhammed Ali. There was never anyone like him and never will be. I just wish he hadn't gotten involved with that crazy religion. This religion states that white people were invented by black people way back when. And that white people were an experiment gone wrong. According to Louis Farrakhan, the Mother Ship is coming to take the black people to a new place. A cloud follows Farrakhan wherever he goes. Inside this cloud is the Mother Ship that will take him soon to Paradise. Though I think Farrakhan will outlive us all.
Back to Ali: When he won a certain boxing match and yelled into the camera, "I'm the Champion of the world!" It brings tears to my eyes. He was so bright and funny.
My great uncle, Jackie Farrell, was Jack Dempsey's manager. About Ali and Frazier my uncle said, "To me they're both bums and neither one of them could step into the ring with Dempsey."
Oh, well.
Kathy
Is the CIA monitoring our Forum?
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You can come on home now, Peter.
Actually, I've had the FBI on my blog several times. But maybe they are clerks with nothing better to do. But what would attract them to my blog? The only things that could attract FBI attention are the dead ends of Donald O. Norton and Ralph Geb. I've learned no more info about either of them and probably never will. They are free to get on with their lives with no interference from me.
Kathy Collins