Kathleen Collins

Tim,

Is anyone familiar with the Mrs. Lou Hayes story? I am sure the WC dismissed it if it did investigate it.

I don't believe there would be much to investigate.

Here's Mrs. Hayes letter. You can judge for yourself.

It starts on page 18 of CD 464

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=20

Steve Thomas

It isn't clear if Bobby Kennedy saw this letter. The thing that bothered me was when she wrote that she had several people under surveillance for the FBI. What was going on in New Orleans? All these shadowy people. It probably didn't start with Oswald.

Last week, I provided some links where you can hear Oswald speaking. In the first tape made in Russia, I think this Oswald was learning English, not teaching it. I don't know who defected to Russia, that miserable country, but the Harvey Oswald that came back was not an American. It is the same voice in the Dallas Police Station as it was on the Russia tape, only his command of English was much better in 1963. The only thing his "brother" Robert said about his return: "I couldn't believe how much hair he lost."

Kathy

OK, I don't get it. Tosh Plumlee. Is he William Plumlee? What is his relation to William Plumlee and was he killed in the plane or not? Has someone here tried to contact him?

Kathy

 book, I think called My Problem Child, and then maybe some works by my good friend, now deceased, Terrance McKenna. I will say this. It makes one see that the consentual reality is not th

 ultimate one...and one 

that would clearly make would-be-controllers of others tremble.

Not great, but a start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_experience

Peter, I read The Doors of Perception in the early '80's. When I was a teenager, they gave you drugs at that time like they were candy. In my case, specifically, Darvon. On them, all I wanted to do was daydream, and listen to someone telling me something and watching TV like I never saw it before. And listening to music: that was the ultimate.

However, it also made me nervous, as in those days they had a lot of caffeine in the compound. Why was I prescribed this? Menstual cramps (they were good for something). Unfortunately, I had a severe panic attack one day, and was up all night thinking a stuffed alligator that my brother brought home from Florida, was going to attack me. I never got it refilled.

I remember watching TV one afternoon after taking it, and it was the greatest God-damned show I'd ever seen. I wanted to do the same thing as on this show. What was this fantastic program? The Pillsbury Bake-Off. At that time, I learned to cook and bake. But I swear, for an hour-and-a-half that day those bakers had my attention.

Kathy

* As one who has personally taken mind-expanding drugs quite a number of times, I can think of no better 'education' and 'guide' for the making of a moral and humanist leader than them under the proper 'set and setting' - a Leary concept I'm sure was being observed with JFK and his usage, and to long and off-topic to go into here. Remember Meyers was asking Leary for the proper 'way' to have such sessions.

I hope this is not off topic, or maybe we could start a new thread, but what is it like to take "mind-expanding" drugs? I never have, so I don't know. Do you get "high"? Does it ever get too intense? Please describe it.

Kathy

I'd have to check notes of interviews not at hand, but if my memory serves me, Plumlee said he flew Roselli and others to a landing-strip near that Ranch in the months before the events of Dallas. 

Peter,

I believe you are correct about the landing strip. There was also a weapons training facility not too far away.

James

If my assumption is correct that Rosselli acted as a bag man for the plotters, is there significance to his arrival here in the months prior to the assassination vis either a hired assassin's part payment and/or supply of gear.

Hmm, weapons training nearby!!! Do 2+2 make 4 in this case?

PS. Forgot to add this

CAMARILLO FAMILY MAUSOLEUM

Situated at rear of St. Mary Magdalen Chapel, 2532 E. Ventura Blvd., Camarillo, CA 93010

Memorial Tablet at entrance to mausoleum reads:

in Memorium

Parents

Juan Camarillo

Born May 27, 1812 Died December 4, 1880

Martina Hernandez Camarillo

Born November 11, 1825 Died April 15, 1898

Liberi Born Died

Praxedes Camarillo July 9, 1842 April 11, 1869

Adelaida C. Moraga February 19, 1844 February 3, 1930

Aldegunda C. Del Campo January 6, 1846 March 22, 1927

Maria C. De Arnaz May 5, 1848 October 11, 1916

Francisca C. Wolfson June 4, 1850 December 4, 1873

Guadalupe Camarillo December 30, 1852 January 3, 1853

Luis Camarillo February 3, 1854 February 11, 1876

Nicefero Camarillo February 9, 1856 April 11, 1876

Magdelena Camarillo May 24, 1858 June 16, 1875

Arcadia C. Mahoney April 22, 1860 December 2, 1925

Adolfo B. Camarillo August 20, 1862 May 10, 1864

Adolfo N. Camarillo October 29, 1864 December 10, 1958

Juan E. Camarillo April 10, 1867 August 21, 1936

Jose Camarillo April 4, 1869 May 9, 1884

Tombstones on East Wall Born Died

William Wolfson 1873 1923

Ynez Petit December 16, 1915 July 7, 1917

Isabel Menchaca Camarillo November 5, 1861 July 19, 1936

Adolfo N. Camarillo October 29, 1864 December 10, 1958

Juan E. Camarillo, K. S. S. April 4, 1867 August 21, 1936

Martina Hernandez Camarillo November 11, 1825 May 15, 1898

Juan Camarillo May 27, 1812 December 4, 1880

Thomas J. Donovan February 22, 1864 June 11, 1946

Adelaida C. Moraga 1844 1930

Aldegunda C. Del Campo 1846 1927

Arcadia C. Mahoney 1860 1925

Lt.Col. John Camarillo Petit, U.S.M.C. May 3, 1917 May 14, 1952

Jose Camarillo 1869 1884

Nicefero Camarillo 1856 1876

Martina Camarillo 1895 1896

Minerva Camarillo 1888 1898

Praxides Camarillo 1842 1869

Francisca C. Wolfson 1850 1873

Luis Camarillo 1854 1876

Magdelena Camarillo 1858 1875

Tombstones on West Wall Born Died

Carmen Camarillo Jones July 20, 1903 May 19, 1987

Francisco A. Camarillo 1897 1952

Roy E. Jones 1901 1973

Alfred John Petit 1889 1960

James Leonard Nicholson 1922 1994

Rosa Camarillo Petit 1890 1986

Mary Louise Douglas 1896 1998

Jon Emory Petit January 4, 1944 March 9, 1995

Ave Camarillo Fitzgerald August 13, 1892 August 16, 1974

Isabel Camarillo Burket 1897 1963

Infant Parker July 20, 1965

George Gerald Fitzgerald July 16, 1887 April 10, 1952

Susana Burket Lamb 1929 1989

If it's any use

Thank you for the list, and all this info.

Kathy

I'd have to check notes of interviews not at hand, but if my memory serves me, Plumlee said he flew Roselli and others to a landing-strip near that Ranch in the months before the events of Dallas. 

Peter,

I believe you are correct about the landing strip. There was also a weapons training facility not too far away.

James

If my assumption is correct that Rosselli acted as a bag man for the plotters, is there significance to his arrival here in the months prior to the assassination vis either a hired assassin's part payment and/or supply of gear.

Hmm, weapons training nearby!!! Do 2+2 make 4 in this case?

PS. Forgot to add this

CAMARILLO FAMILY MAUSOLEUM

Situated at rear of St. Mary Magdalen Chapel, 2532 E. Ventura Blvd., Camarillo, CA 93010

Memorial Tablet at entrance to mausoleum reads:

in Memorium

Parents

Juan Camarillo

Born May 27, 1812 Died December 4, 1880

Martina Hernandez Camarillo

Born November 11, 1825 Died April 15, 1898

Liberi Born Died

Praxedes Camarillo July 9, 1842 April 11, 1869

Adelaida C. Moraga February 19, 1844 February 3, 1930

Aldegunda C. Del Campo January 6, 1846 March 22, 1927

Maria C. De Arnaz May 5, 1848 October 11, 1916

Francisca C. Wolfson June 4, 1850 December 4, 1873

Guadalupe Camarillo December 30, 1852 January 3, 1853

Luis Camarillo February 3, 1854 February 11, 1876

Nicefero Camarillo February 9, 1856 April 11, 1876

Magdelena Camarillo May 24, 1858 June 16, 1875

Arcadia C. Mahoney April 22, 1860 December 2, 1925

Adolfo B. Camarillo August 20, 1862 May 10, 1864

Adolfo N. Camarillo October 29, 1864 December 10, 1958

Juan E. Camarillo April 10, 1867 August 21, 1936

Jose Camarillo April 4, 1869 May 9, 1884

Tombstones on East Wall Born Died

William Wolfson 1873 1923

Ynez Petit December 16, 1915 July 7, 1917

Isabel Menchaca Camarillo November 5, 1861 July 19, 1936

Adolfo N. Camarillo October 29, 1864 December 10, 1958

Juan E. Camarillo, K. S. S. April 4, 1867 August 21, 1936

Martina Hernandez Camarillo November 11, 1825 May 15, 1898

Juan Camarillo May 27, 1812 December 4, 1880

Thomas J. Donovan February 22, 1864 June 11, 1946

Adelaida C. Moraga 1844 1930

Aldegunda C. Del Campo 1846 1927

Arcadia C. Mahoney 1860 1925

Lt.Col. John Camarillo Petit, U.S.M.C. May 3, 1917 May 14, 1952

Jose Camarillo 1869 1884

Nicefero Camarillo 1856 1876

Martina Camarillo 1895 1896

Minerva Camarillo 1888 1898

Praxides Camarillo 1842 1869

Francisca C. Wolfson 1850 1873

Luis Camarillo 1854 1876

Magdelena Camarillo 1858 1875

Tombstones on West Wall Born Died

Carmen Camarillo Jones July 20, 1903 May 19, 1987

Francisco A. Camarillo 1897 1952

Roy E. Jones 1901 1973

Alfred John Petit 1889 1960

James Leonard Nicholson 1922 1994

Rosa Camarillo Petit 1890 1986

Mary Louise Douglas 1896 1998

Jon Emory Petit January 4, 1944 March 9, 1995

Ave Camarillo Fitzgerald August 13, 1892 August 16, 1974

Isabel Camarillo Burket 1897 1963

Infant Parker July 20, 1965

George Gerald Fitzgerald July 16, 1887 April 10, 1952

Susana Burket Lamb 1929 1989

If it's any use

Thank you for the list, and all this info.

Kathy

Also, there were reports of E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis being seen on Martha's Vineyard. Which is another theory. Kathy

Okay, I'll bite. Hey Kathy, Elvis was seen there, too, and the only reason Bigfoot wasn't caught on film is that he likes the coast of Maine in the Summer.

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Firstly, I don't give a flying f___ about Elvis. My time was/is The Beatles. Secondly, the person who told me about E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis being seen on Martha's Vineyard that weekend is a very highly-respected JFK Researcher. And I believe that the plane crash Ted was in in the mid-sixties, was designed to kill him. Ironically, he was the only one to survive. They killed his brother, Robert, then they destroyed him.

I was surprised when he ran for the Presidency in 1980. What was that all about? Especially since he was with his wife, whom he immediately divorced when he didn't get the nomination: Carter wouldn't release the delegates. Finally, that TV interview where he was asked about Chappaquiddick and he just stammered. He just stammered. Yes, in a way, he was assassinated at Chappaquiddick.

So I guess you can put your Bigfoot back in your mouth, Wise Guy.

Kathy

Oh but for an independent free press!!! Control the press and you can control the minds of the citizens. (But not all of us, of course).

Dawn

Dawn and the rest of you guys, see yesterday's blog on just that: Freedom of the press. I quoted an article from AP about NASA that warned the information could not be broadcast, rewritten or told in any way, shape or form, without their permission.

The information! Please see it: thecloakofdarkness.blogspot.com

Re Chappaquiddick, there was a woman's purse found in the car with Mary Jo. It belonged to one of the cottage's other female guests.

I feel it was very illegal to not have an autopsy. I still can't believe it. But the parents didn't want it as the story centered around that Mary Jo was pregnant and that's why she was killed. And then there was talk of exhumation. Her parents were destroyed.

When you think back to those days, wasn't it stupid that if an unmarried woman was pregnant it was such a disgrace it could be a motive to kill her?

Kathy

Hello -

My name is Peter Janney and I am the person John is referring to. I have actually been researching the life and death of Mary Pinchot Meyer for over thirty (30) years now. I am in the midst of producing a full length Hollywood drama called "Lost Light" which deals with Mary's relationship with JFK and her death. I also writing a book on the same subject ("Mary's Mosaic") which I am hard at work at.

I am going to post a much larger reply than I can at the moment in few days or so, but let me say this as an introduction:

Mary Meyer most certainly had a relationship with Tim Leary. I own all of Leo Damore's research on Mary Meyer. Damore was a prodigious researcher, just read his book Senatorial Priveledge and you can see for yourself. Damore even knew what room number Mary stayed in at the Ritz Carlton when she first came to meet Leary in the Spring of 1962. I also have a two hour tape recorded interview with Leary and Damore talking about the Meyer-JFK relationship. There are details on that tape that Leary talks about that he could have never known about if he had not known Mary back in the 1960s. Mary Meyer and JFK did take LSD together at Joe Alsop's house in Georgetown in the early Spring of 1963. I believe this experience was a catalyst for JFK's evolution of his political dispostion toward world peace initiatives. Soon after this experience JFK gave his legendary commencement speech at American University on June 10, 1963. More on that later.

Mary Meyer was not murdered; she was assassinated. I believe I am well on my way to proving this. The assassin's name was William L. Mitchell and he testified at the Crump murder trial as the "jogger" who passed Mary on his way back to Key Bridge. He testified that a black man, allegedly Ray Crump, was following Mary after he passed her. It was a complete frame up, again generated by certain individuals within the CIA.

Leo Damore interviewed "William L.Mitchell" ("Mitchell" told Damore that his name was an alias and that he had several aliases that he used) on March 31, 1993 on the phone for several hours. He allegedley recorrded the call but I could never find the tapes. "Mitchell" confessed to Damore that he had been ordered to take out Mary Meyer. Immediately, after the call, Damore called his attorney. His attorney took five (5) pages of notes on that call and he saved them and has given the notes to me.

Damore told me personally in 1993 that he had interviewed the assassin, but I was too heart broken at the time from a broken engagement to really get into it with him at the time.

I shared my taped interview between Leary and Damore with David Talbot and he credits me for that in his footnote. As much as I respect Jim Eugenio, he is wrong about Leary and Mary Meyer and I believe I have enough evidence to prove that.

Please feel free to post questions and I will try to respond. More later. Thank you.

Good luck on Lost Light and Mary's Mosaic. I'm interested in learning what your research has found.

The only frightening thing to me is President Kennedy, already on Cortisone-amphetamine shots, taking LSD. I was never into street drugs, so I never took the hallucinogen and I don't know anyone intimately who has. I don't like this business that Kennedy was tripping away while his country might have needed him. But it's certainly intriguing. I am reading Brothers and haven't got to that point yet. I looked in the index and Marilyn Monroe was not listed. In view of the fact that she socialized with the Kennedys and died mysteriously one Saturday night, I don't know why this was overlooked, while Mary Meyer wasn't. But I guess Mary Meyer is new information, and one tires of MM scenarios.

There was a slim photo book of the Kennedys, John, Jackie and their children. I don't remember the name of it. But it contained a picture of Jackie Kennedy, looking elegant, walking alone on what seems to be the same towpath where Mary met her death. I wonder if Mary believed Oswald did it. I think she'd be very wise about that, and know there was a conspiracy. But apparently, she didn't think this conspiracy would affect her. Unfortunately, she was caught alone in a secluded area, murdered and her death blamed on a black man who was later acquitted.

The problem is, why was she murdered. Did she know who was behind the assassination? I would think the ultra right-wing would love for her story to come out, especially about taking LSD with President Kennedy.

Then you go back 2 years earlier and see Marilyn Monroe murdered, and if it's true she was going to call a press conference Monday and tell about the Kennedy brothers, I would think the ultra right-wing would love that. It seems it only benefits the Kennedys and their left-wing entourage to shut her up. This is distressing.

Kathy

No, but I understand that the British Library in London has a policy of acquiring every book published anywhere?

They have a online searchable database. One can enter key words and sort according to year for example 'fitzgerald' 'kennedy' yielded 528 results to look through.

http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/129CG965B52RP9CP2...on=01---D02---A

http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/?func=file&fi...e=login-bl-list

advanced search page:

http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/129CG965B52RP9CP2...ile_name=find-d

just 'kennedy' from year 1963 to 2009 yields 5245 results

I couldn't register on your first link. I got nowhere.

Kathy

Kathy...it preempted local tv all morning. It is at the junction of

I30 and I35 (Stemmons), just west of Dealey Plaza...right across

Stemmons from Reunion Tower. Heavy oxygen tanks were thrown

200 feet by explosions. Twenty or more cars as far as 100 feet

away caught fire from the intense heat. All firemen could do was

let the fire burn itself out. It was too dangerous to fight. Both

interstates were closed for more than three hours, and you have

never seen such a traffic snarl. As yet, no fatalities reported.

Jack

Be careful because you don't know what you're breathing. All I could think of is Dealey Plaza catching on fire. What would we do if it didn't exist anymore? It would be like erasing President Kennedy from the earth. In history the assassination would become this dim thing no one alive remembers. On the other hand, there are many people, I suppose mostly British, who are on this huge Forum about Jack the Ripper. So that stayed in the mainstream consciousness. Forty-Five years from now is anybody going to care about Kennedy?

When Gore Vidal says President Kennedy was the worst President we ever had because "He brought us close to nuclear war," he is very mistaken. The military and the joint chiefs of staff were wanting that. A small nuclear war with Cuba so we could install democracy there. Kennedy felt we couldn't control the whole world, nor should we impose our will upon another nation. He preferred diplomacy. The stupid military wanted nuclear war. I read this in Brothers.

Kathy

It was a combination of acetylene and propane that caused the fire.

Kathy

11:40 am: A gas plant exploded in Dallas, TX. The area has been evacuated. Fox News said it happened on the southwest side of Dallas and they mentioned Commerce St. and that the smoke from the fire was heading "downtown. " Several people have been rushed to Parkland Hospital. I don't know how far this fire is to Dealey Plaza. Some highways have been shut off to drivers. They didn't say anything about Stemmons Freeway, but the highways mentioned were I-30, I-35. Can you imagine if it travels to Dealey Plaza? I'm going to get a map of Dallas and look where it is: South Industrial Blvd.

Kathy

Hi Bernice & Jack,

If you study the blow-up of Towner3 from Groden's "TKOAP" you should surely notice the "missing slats" are in fact a man in light clothing walking North(along the path most prob').

The two dark figures have their backs to the camera & one of which appears to be in the process of climbing over the fence.

Anyway, that's my interpretation but you cannot use that poor copy above for close study period.

Not while we have a better one that is so much clearer it can show a bottle on the wall.

http://216.122.129.112/dc/user_files/5446.jpg

(I don't have the full version to hand sorry, I wish I did)

Regards,

Alan

He looks like Richard Nixon to me. (Kidding)

Kathy

Now that John's revealed the IP and specs on the poster, I'm becoming a little skeptical as to the veracity of the claim.

Also, a few years back, Plumlee's daughter was posting over on DellaRosa's forum, and I do believe that if something had happened to her Dad, she'd have been the first one to have posted word at least here, and if not on Lancer, as well.

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Terri, was that the woman who posted several photos of her father and wanted to know if he was involved in the Assassination and could anyone recognize him? He had white hair.

She seemed rather distraught. I guess if you think your father had a secret life and killed Kennedy, you would be distraught.

Kathy

Hi Duncan.

What is the timeline between Willis 6 and Towner 3.

Looking at that photo, it's the first time I've seen this man at the retaining wall near Black Dog Man's position. I wonder who he is. Notice how bright the grassy knoll is compared to what the ones who overturned the govt did to the Moorman photo.

Kathy

That's just the kind of mistake Tosh would make.

The fact that so many people doubt the veracity of this post says a lot.

If he really died (in Afgan, South America...) in the manner stated and some close friend knows him well enough to know he posted some on the forum (but not well enough to know he stopped posting) and also knows his login, then he was working for a monstrous company of mercenaries and criminals and murderers. From CIA to Blackwater. What's in a name?

If he didn't really die then this is a despicable (but not uncommon on the internet) stunt, while people are still reeling over the loss of Tim Carroll no less. In fact the timing is rather incredible. It makes me wonder if he got the idea for the (possible) stunt from the thread on Tim.

I don't suppose it's possible to get confirmation of this story?

What with it being covert and classified and all...

Some things never change.

Myra, someone could have gotten his computer info very easily: The FBI. It's been proven today that the FBI has been monitoring some people through their own Spyware. Wouldn't Tosh Plumlee be one of the ones the govt is spying on? Maybe everyone on this Forum is being spywared. Anyway, at thecloakofdarkness.blogspot.com I have posted a link and part of the article about the FBI admitting it spies on citizens. The article says what their spyware can find out about you; what it targets. And apparently, it's legal.

Kathy

The Irish in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn, and the Hell's Kitchen section of New York City, were known to pronounce it as "axed."

And they chopped down trees with an ask.

Unfortunately, I came from a Jersey City, NJ family and I pronounced asked as the A in air then gst. Agst. Mayor Koch made a big thing about New Yorkers pronouncing asked in that way. So I had to learn how to say it right; it's a bit difficult.

I notice people from that area often say schtraight ahead or Spruce Schtreet. I had to learn to leave that schtr sound out. This was in my '30's. A girlfriend of mine, who comes from Maine, recently alerted me to the fact that I pronounce tomorrow as tamorra. I never knew this.

BTW, Harvey Oswald was not an American. In my opinion.

Kathy

"When he was handing out FPCC flyers, I don't recall if his voice was recorded at all on that occasion. I wonder what his first language was -- Hungarian or Russian? In the Russian tape, you know he's not speaking English correctly; it's like he was learning it."

I remember distinctly on the tape of that radio debate, the pronunciation of the word New Orleans by this person who was supposed to be Lee Harvey Oswald, and a native resident of New Orleans. He pronounced New Orleans the way people NOT raised in New Orleans, or in the way tourists pronounced the name as New Or-leens. When in reality, anyone who's ever lived there, or spent any considerable amount of time there, knows that the citizens of New Orleans pronounce the name of their city as New Awlins, NOT New Or-leens. That was my first skeptical impression of this person, Lee Harvey Oswald, from hearing his voice and speech in that radio debate.

Terry...Louisiana people I know say NOR'-LINS (phonetic, note accent).

I have heard NAW'-LINS. They do not enunciate NEW and say it as one word.

Texas people say NEW-OR'LINS.

Some southerners may say NOO-AW'LINS.

Nationally it may be NEW-OR'LE-ANS or NEW-OR-LEEN'Z.

My observations FWIW.

Jack

I just listened again to the tapes and a video of him talking to the press while in police custody. That man is not an American. But I noticed one thing: he pronounces the word "asked" the way many New Yorkers do. I myself always pronounced it like that, but learned how to say it correctly. Oswald pronounced it "agst."

Bill,

If Gary knows the source, I'm sure he'll chime in.

Hopefully, a reasonable explanation will show how the background of the two photos align, that appear to be from different films near the same point in time.

chris

Maybe one may be found to be a zoomed version of the other.

Bill

Thanks Bill,

You are correct.

Here's what the zoomed version looks like, from that segment.

And, matching background frames.

Zoom threw me off as it appears to be from a different angle.

chris

A few questions. 1. Why is the film in B&W and in color also? You see the family lying on the ground, which is in color.

2. If the Hesters, Zapruder and Sitzman crowded into the pergola right after the assassination, that says that there was no tripod in there, as some believe, nor a cameraman.

Kathy Collins

Hi Kathy, As you say Oswald is trying to teach a friend to speak English but instead of sticking to "American English" his attempting to teach his friend "English English" if you see what I mean. In other words Oswald is trying to sound his vowls and nouns roundly/correctly and his making rather a hash of it, not surprising really, I'm English born an bred and even I cant talk that way. Very few English can, the few that do are very upper class and born too it. We describe the accent as "talking with a plum in your mouth". I would imagine that it was a common misconception in Americe circa 1960 that all English wore bowler hats, carried umbrellas and spoke awfully "posh" Just an idea, may or may not be correct. Denis.

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The pretext was Oswald was trying to teach his Russian friend English in 1961. However, I think Oswald was being taught English by someone with a British accent and was practicing. He wasn't too good, but by the time he came "back" from Russia he spoke English well and is the same voice of Harvey Oswald, shot by Ruby. How can somebody with a bad command of the English language teach it to someone else? If Harvey wasn't Russian, he must have had Russian as a third language. What was his original language? Could it have been Hungarian?

Kathy

Shannon West Murchison died on April 30, 2005. An autopsy was ordered due to extensive bruising on her body and black eyes, suffered, supposedly, in a previous fall. She was 47 years old. Mrs. Murchison loved fashion. She donated her time and her money to charitable causes, especially regarding children. She supported George W. Bush for president in 2000, donating $5,000 from Tecon Corp -- I must look into that. Other Texans spoke of the suspicious nature of her death:

"Texas Journalism" from a commentator on FamilyLawCourts.com

1. The slow, downward death spiral. From custody battles to death, as with Shannon Murchison, once married to Clint Murchison, III, son of the founder of the Dallas Cowboys. And:

2. A quote from the former husband sadly intoning he wishes things could have worked out better.

DMN [Dallas Morning News] readers know not to expect even a mention of the fees the man paid to drive the woman crazy; or the firm he used to do so.

Did Shannon know about her father-in-law's connection to the Kennedy Assassination?

Kathy

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"She supported George W. Bush for president in 2000, donating $5,000 from Tecon Corp --"

"Did Shannon know about her father-in-law's connection to the Kennedy Assassination?"

Take a look at her age, and the fact that she's a Bush supporter, which leads me to believe that she probably bought the Warren Commission Lie hook, line, and sinker.

Shannon West Murchison might have been one of these people (which is worse) who knew of her father-in-law's involvement in the Kennedy Assassination or heard rumors to the effect, and felt if her father-in-law had anything to do with Kennedy's death, then maybe Kennedy deserved it. Probably Kennedy was destroying the country, helping the blacks get civil rights and was possibly a Commie. Along those lines.

There is some confusion about whom she considered her mother-in-law. Shannon loved vintage clothing, as I said. And when her mother-in-law died, she gave Shannon all her clothing. The mother-in-law spent a million dollars on clothes each year. Shannon died in 2005 at age 48. Virginia L. Murchison pre-deceased her in 2001 at 51 years of age. So their ages were close. Either she's the "mother-in-law" with all the clothes, but not the mother of Clint Murchison III or this Virginia is Clint III's sister.

Will look into it. I can't believe that coroner planted Tylenol into everyone's mind with no evidence. And that her bruising may have come from liver failure. Finally, he decides it was Listeria that killed her. Meningitis. Highly suspicious. Listeria is a bacteria found in food poisoning.

Kathy

Of course infidelity and LSD were simple pretexts for the elimination of a popularly elected and manifestly competent President by his reactionary militant political opposition. Charges of TREASON add to the picture, but I believe classified findings concerning LSD and incapacity were the principle pretexts for Kennedy's murder by the joint agencies.......

What I could never understand: Why kill the President when his militant political opposition could have just leaked the story of Mary Meyer and her drugs and the Marilyn Monroe incident. Or J. Edgar could have done it. Or someone go to the people and say we know this about the President?

Also, he wasn't exactly a "popularly" elected President as Nixon came quite close.

In a sense what the far right-wingers did when they killed Kennedy was to destroy a lot of hope people had in America, because Kennedy became a martyr and people gradually began to not trust their govt because of evidence of a conspiracy to kill Kennedy.

Kathy Collins

Here is another obituary that I found. Like Mr. Drain, he suffered a stroke.

DAVID L. JOHNSTON

12:00 AM CDT on Sunday, April 22, 2007

By JOE SIMNACHER / The Dallas Morning News

jsimnacher@dallasnews.com

During his two terms as a Dallas County justice of the peace, David L. Johnston had jurisdiction over misdemeanor civil and criminal matters. At the time, he was also an acting coroner, ruling on the cause of death in many cases.

But from the afternoon of Nov. 22, 1963, and into the following morning, Mr. Johnston presided over legal proceedings followed around the world.

That Friday afternoon he issued a search warrant for a suspect's room on North Beckley Avenue. That evening, he arraigned the renter, Lee Harvey Oswald, with the charge of murder with malice in the death of Dallas police Officer J.D. Tippit. Shortly after midnight, he formally charged Oswald with the murder of President John F. Kennedy.

Mr. Johnston, 80, died Tuesday of an apparent stroke at his East Dallas home.

Services were Saturday at Sparkman/Hillcrest Funeral Home. He will be entombed in Hillcrest Mausoleum.

While Mr. Johnston's role in history attracted considerable media attention, he rarely discussed those events with anyone outside his family, said his son Thomas Johnston of Mesquite.

"Every five years or so – when there would be a significant anniversary like 25 or 30 [years] – some reporter somewhere would find his name and call him up," his son said. "My dad would routinely tell them, 'Look, President Kennedy is dead, Johnson's dead, Oswald's dead, Ruby's dead. Everybody's dead – who cares?' and hang up on them. That's how he was."

In November 1963, Mr. Johnston was among those waiting to hear the president speak at a luncheon. After the shooting, law-enforcement officers who recognized the justice of the peace from his days as a deputy summoned him to Parkland Memorial Hospital, beginning his involvement in the event.

Mr. Johnston asserted that when he arraigned Oswald, the suspect came under Dallas County jurisdiction and should have been transferred to the county jail and not returned to the city jail.

"My dad always said that had they transferred Oswald in the middle of the night – as soon as he had been arraigned – no one would have known any better and no one would have been able to get to him," Thomas Johnston said.

Had Oswald not been killed by Jack Ruby on the morning of Nov. 24, 1963, Mr. Johnston was to have arraigned him on charges of assault to murder Gov. John Connally the following week.

He was a Mason for more than 50 years.

Kathy

I found this while researching something else. I never heard of him. Maybe others know him.

VINCENT E. DRAIN

12:00 AM CDT on Wednesday, June 14, 2006

By JOE SIMNACHER / The Dallas Morning News

On Nov. 22, 1963, FBI Special Agent Vincent E. Drain was just back from lunch when Dallas police radio traffic pulled him into the biggest case of his career.

About 10 minutes later, he was in the trauma room at Parkland Memorial Hospital, where doctors were trying to save President John F. Kennedy's life. Mr. Drain found himself immersed in history as it unfolded.

His assignments included escorting Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle and other evidence to Washington, D.C., on a midnight flight aboard an otherwise empty C-135 Stratolifter. About 24 hours later, he made the return flight to Texas on an F-104 Starfighter.

Mr. Drain, 86, died Sunday of a stroke at UT Southwestern University Hospital.

Services will be at 2 p.m. today at Sparkman Hillcrest Funeral Home in Dallas. Burial will be at Ridgeview Memorial Park in Allen.

"He absolutely adored his work," said his wife, Ruth Vandeveer Drain of Dallas. "Going to work every day ... he was just so happy to be in the FBI."

Mr. Drain was born in McKinney. He received a bachelor's degree from what is now the University of North Texas.

He wanted to serve in the Army Air Corps but could not pass the vision test. He taught school and coached football in Wylie before attending the FBI Academy. He graduated in 1941.

He spent 28 years of his 35-year FBI career in Dallas, his wife said.

Mr. Drain was extensively involved in the investigation of Kennedy's assassination but, out of loyalty to the FBI, did not write a book about his time on the case, his wife said.

He did recount his story for one of the eyewitness accounts that Larry A. Sneed used for his 1998 book No More Silence: An Oral History of the Assassination of President Kennedy.

The afternoon of the assassination, Mr. Drain was in the Parkland trauma room and at Love Field when the president's body was taken aboard Air Force One.

About 8 p.m., Mr. Drain's superiors in Washington demanded the rifle for testing. He first had to assure Dallas authorities that he would personally protect the chain of evidence. In Mr. Sneed's book, Mr. Drain said he would take the evidence to Washington, wait until it was examined and bring it back.

The negotiations and packing took hours, well past the last Dallas flight to Washington.

"We were told that the FBI in Washington wanted the material by morning if we had to walk it up there," he said in his account.

Mr. Drain arranged for a C-135 transport to fly him from Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth to Washington.

"This was an empty plane, and they were flying high and really letting her go," Mr. Drain said. "During the flight they let me listen to all the shortwave broadcasts about the British, French and Canadians – calling their troops and their submarines going to sea – because they were afraid the Russians might attack."

Mr. Drain later took other evidence to Washington and back. He worked on the investigation, including interviewing Oswald's wife, Marina, whom he met the night of the assassination.

He said he was part of a team that worked long hours on the case.

Mrs. Drain said her husband did "tons of interviews" and testified before the Warren Commission.

Kathy