John Bevilaqua

I can speak only for Bill Turner who is anything but close minded, in fact. He listened patiently to the physical appearance evidence and the "points of discussion" evidence placing Anastase Vonsiatsky at the Winnipeg Airport Incident and he essentially agreed that it only takes 6-7 points of physical confluence to obtain better than a 99% likelihood of identification (assuming they were still alive). After I cited the 10-12 points placing Vonsiatsky in Winnipeg he said that was more than enough evidence in his opinion. And even before the evidence of Ferrie being in Cleveland was discovered and published he agreed that a "pipsqueak" like Ferrie would never have been invited to a meeting of JFK plotters. At that time, Gerald L K Smith had not yet been linked to Winnipeg, but he agreed that at least 1 or 2 of the attendees would have been Canadians as well and agreed that Gostick and Walsh were likely candidates. Years later, Gostick and Walsh were tied to the Southern Canada tour, and the rest as they say is history. Bill may or may not have been aware that Sheri Seymour had obtained an admission of guilt from Wm. Potter Gale about his role in the JFK hit by the early 1990's. Turner's work "Power on the Right" included chapters on Robert Morris and the John Birch Society plus Patrick J. Frawley from the Catholic arch-Right and INCA. I still maintain that "Power on the Right" from 1970 was the best JFK Assassination work from that period. And remember, Bill was the first one to reference both "Raoul" from Montreal and the role of Robert Emmett Johnson in the JFK hit in "The Fish is Red". The combination of the 2 books had the case almost closed by the 1970's but then everyone strayed from that fruitful territory. Sad, but true. Frawley, Morris, Buckley and Bozell were involved with a Catholic Seminary and Charity in Orange County at one time and they represented the core of the arch-Catholic Carlist Right. For anyone to say they greatly appreciate and respect the work of Bill Turner and to avoid the examination of Morris, Frawley, Buckley, Bozell, The John Birch Society, INCA and The American Mercury is doing a grave injustice to all of his hard work. Bill Turner follows the leads to the source and does not get led astray easily by outside pressures and red herrings. I still believe that Bill Turner got closer than anyone else to solving the mystery by 1970. His work with Mae Brussell on The Nazi Connections to the JFK Assassination in Ramparts which involved Charles Willoughby and Robert Morris basically reiterated Richard Condon's conclusions from 1959. Willoughby was retired Army Intel and Robert Morris was former ONI and that is where Turner did a lot of his research and you would be well served by following those leads and others involving the far right regardless of which alphabet soup agency they worked for either in 1963 or previously. If you can't believe Bill Turner, John Roy Carlson and Richard Condon, then who can you believe? Really. And Bill never fell for the garbage pushed by the Far Right types whom many of you cite as gospel either. He knew a BS line from a factual rendition better than most. Bill's work focused on the Anti-Communist Leagues, the Anti-Catholic Leagues, the Anti-Colored Leagues and the Anti-Semitic Leagues like GLK Smith's Christian Defense League, and McIntyre's crews, too. Now that I think about it, most of my research lines were spawned from his research lines from 1970. For anyone to just blatantly state that Anastase Vonsiatksy had nothing to do with the JFK hit without being able to cite chapter and verse is tantamount to petty graffiti tagging and deliberate ignorance of the factual evidence which is readily accepted by credible researchers.

Jackson's fans were apparently so rabidly devoted to him that ripple affect stories are now rampant. Even Bartolo Colon a Red Sox pitcher assigned to the Sox AAA franchise actually is AWOL while he is apparently coping with the grief caused by the death of his longtime hero. This is happening while all the old Jackson jokes are being circulated once again by yet others. Strange world, with some strange heroes. Now reports say that Jackson took about 10,000 doses of various pills and sleep aids within the last year and that it will probably be impossible to determine which interactions, if any, might have contributed to his demise. An intravenous solution was almost constantly attached to Jackson while he slept in an almost trance-like coma which was supposedly supervised periodically by an anethesiologist. (sp?)

As Walter Mathau said in JFK: (paraphrasing) "Gnat sh** versus Peppah. That's what all those people are focusing on. It just don't matter one bit."

Once this article was written, Gary Mack jumped to her defense, trying to say that Eugenics, The Council for National Policy and The Pioneer Fund had nothing to do with the JFK hit. Now that Mack has been exposed by James DiEugenio for his true alliances and outright duplicity, this forthright and unprovoked attack by Mack on the Eugenics links into not only the choice of future presidents but the elimination of any presidents or public officials opposed to the The Eugenics Agenda become even more poignant. History will record the fact that Wickliffe Draper and his Pioneer Fund cohorts were behind the entire JFK assassination plot. And as I predicted those from the CNP and their Eugenics cohorts are the ones calling most of the shots in today's world. I hope she goes down in flames along with all of her CNP sponsors and her Eugenics associates... This article which I personally discovered in the NY Times archives led to the all out frontal assault on Wickliffe P. Draper in 1994. It is one of my proudest contributions to research which has resulted in over 1,000 articles and dozens of books about Draper, The Pioneer Fund and all of his nefarious associates from The Mississippi Sovereignty Commission to the KKK to the "Park Avenue Patriots" and his intelligence contacts with both C. D. Jackson and the Tobacco Gray family at the Bowman Gray Medical School at Wake Forest. It also includes his sponsorship of the H. Smith Richardson Foundation and their MK/ULTRA research using Dr. Hans J. Eysenck and Dr. H. Warner Klopfer whose name was in Oswald's notebook. Lichtenstein, Grace "Fund Backs Controversial Study of 'Racial Betterment'." The New York Times 11 December 1977 THE SEDUCTION OF SARAH PALIN: EUGENICS, CNP, AND THE PIONEER FUND ConspiracyArchive - by Paul & Phillip D. Collins, October 13th, 2008 Left to right: Wickliffe Preston Draper (1891-1972), founder and benefactor of the Pioneer Fund; on the Board of Directors (1937-72). Harry Hamilton Laughlin (1880-1943), Pres. (1927-28) and Dir. (1923-39) of the American Eugenics Society; Superintendent of the Eugenics Record Office in (1910-21) and its Director (1921-40); first president of the Pioneer Fund (1937-41). Frederick Henry Osborn (1890-1981), second president of the Pioneer Fund (1941–1958); Pres. (1946-52) and Dir. (1969-72) of the American Eugenics Society. No one on America's political stage today has more motivation to oppose eugenics than Sarah Palin. The Alaskan Governor and Vice-Presidential running mate has learned experientially about the sanctity of life. In April, she gave birth to a baby boy with Down syndrome (Demer, no pagination). When she first learned that the child would be born with the birth defect, Palin chose life in a situation where 90 percent of women have an abortion (no pagination). Lisa Demer has correctly described Palin "as anti-abortion as a politician can be" (no pagination). It was, therefore, disturbing to learn that Palin had been vetted by a secretive group with connections to the eugenics movement. In a September 1, 2008 article for The Nation, Max Blumenthal reported that the "members of the Council for National Policy are the hidden hand behind McCain's Palin pick" (no pagination). According to Blumenthal, the Council for National Policy (CNP) met at a hotel in downtown Minneapolis the week of the Democratic National Convention to acquaint themselves with Palin (no pagination). The article also stated that the Palin selection secured McCain the support of the conservative movement and that CNP participant James Dobson "may soon emerge from his bunker in Colorado Springs to endorse McCain, providing the Republican nominee with the backing of the Christian right's single most influential figure" (no pagination). For many people on the left, it is hard to swallow the idea that the CNP has ties to the eugenics movement. After all, CNP participants such as James Dobson, Tim LaHaye, and Alan Keyes are considered to be stalwart pro-lifers. George W. Bush even put in an appearance at a secret meeting of the CNP in 2000 promising to nominate only pro-life judges (no pagination). There is a body of evidence, however, that suggests that all the pro-life rhetoric and pro-life participants may be mere window dressing to hide the sinister goal of creating a master race. Helms and the Pioneer Fund The CNP connects to the eugenics movement through deceased Senator Jesse Helms. Helms was on the CNP Board of Governors in 1982 and was a member in 1984-1985, 1988, 1996, 1998, and 1999 ("The Council for National Policy: Selected Member Biographies," no pagination). Throughout his political career, Helms collaborated closely with two other CNP participants: Thomas Ellis and R.E. Carter-Wrenn (no pagination). In the 1980s, the three CNP participants teamed with Harry Weyher and Marion Parrott to form an elaborate, multimillion dollar network of corporations, political action committees, ad hoc groups, and foundations ("Race Science and the Pioneer Fund," no pagination). According to the Institute for the Study of Academic Racism, the network's leadership "especially, Harry Weyher, Thomas F. Ellis and Marion A. Parrott are part of an interlocking set of directorates and associates linking the Pioneer Fund to Jesse Helm's high-tech political machine" (no pagination). In the 1980s, Ellis' Coalition for Freedom, a component of the Jesse Helms political machine, received grants totaling $195,000 from the Pioneer Fund (Begos, no pagination). What exactly is the Pioneer Fund? The story of this mysterious private trust fund begins with a reclusive philanthropist named Wickliffe Draper. Draper was born in Massachusetts in 1891 (no pagination). The product of a mixture of old Kentucky and Puritan blood, Draper was convinced that his family tree constituted a superior stock of humanity that should be considered the true Americans (no pagination). In the 1920s, Draper inherited a multimillion-dollar textile fortune (no pagination). After attending the Nazis' International Congress for the Scientific Investigation of Population Problems in 1935 Berlin, Draper decided to devote a large portion of his fortune to eugenics and race science (no pagination).It would be no exaggeration to say that Draper was drawing his inspiration from mass murderers. Wilhelm Frick, a war criminal convicted during the Nuremberg trials, was the Honorary Chairman at the 1935 meeting that Draper attended in Berlin (no pagination). In 1937, Draper joined with eugenicists Harry Laughlin and Frederick Osborn to form the Pioneer Fund (no pagination). The Fund helped the crusade for nationwide eugenical regimentation through the distribution of grants (no pagination). In its first year, the Pioneer Fund had in its budget two German films promoting the theme of eugenics. One of those films, entitled The Hereditary Defective, was shown at 28 high schools throughout the United States thanks to the efforts of Harry Laughlin (no pagination). Draper's money was also used to print a special edition of Earnest Sevier Cox's "White America" (no pagination). The racist tract was distributed to every member of the 1937 Congress (no pagination). For Draper, "race betterment" meant disenfranchisement for blacks. One of the white supremacist academics Draper recruited to his cause was segregationist and Chair of Psychology at Colombia University Henry Garrett. Garrett served as a witness supporting segregation in the 1952 Davis v. County School Board ("Race Science and the Pioneer Fund," no pagination). Davis v. County School Board became part of a much larger, historic case, Brown v. the Board of Education (no pagination). In 1964, the Missippi Sovereignty Commission used $215,000 given to it by Draper in an attempt to prevent the Civil Rights Act from passing (Begos, no pagination). In 1977, North Iowa professor Dr. Ralph Scott used Pioneer Fund money to finance anti-busing, anti-school integration seminars (Lichtenstein, no pagination). Draper may have even tried to use internal security organs to advance his agenda. According journalist Grace Lichtenstein, Draper supported Representative Francis E. Walter, the chairman of the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), throughout the 1950s and 1960s (no pagination). In 1960 HUAC staff director Richard Arens was forced to leave his Congressional job when it was discovered that he was a paid consultant to Draper (no pagination). Draper may have contributed to the corruption of national security politics and the discrediting and dismantling of America's internal security apparatus. So it is that Paul Wolfowitz, during his time as Deputy Defense Secretary, could have a "discreet romance" with a woman who was born in Tunisia and raised in Saudi Arabia without anyone asking any serious questions about penetration and compromising of internal security (Leiby, no pagination). Probably the most high profile case involving the Pioneer Fund was the publishing of The Bell Curve in 1994. The controversial best-seller asserted that whites were genetically superior to blacks and that blacks were inclined to have lower IQs (Begos, no pagination). Anglo-American race scientists William Shockley, Hans J. Eysenck, Arthur Jensen, Roger Pearson, Richard Lynn, J. Philippe Rushton, R. Travis Osborne, Linda Gottfredson, Robert A. Gordon, Daniel R. Vining Jr., Michael Levin, and Seymour Itzkopp were all cited in The Bell Curve and were all recipients of Pioneer Fund money ("Race Science and the Pioneer Fund," no pagination). According to a November 22, 1994 ABC World News Tonight report, the researchers cited The Bell Curve received $3.5 million from the Pioneer Fund ("The Bell Curve and the Pioneer Fund," no pagination). One would think that with the passing of Draper, Laughlin, and Weyher, the Pioneer Fund would have begun pursuing nobler endeavors. Unfortunately, old habits seem to die hard. In February 2006, current Pioneer Fund head J. Philippe Rushton spoke at an American Renaissance conference held at the Hyatt Dulles Hotel in Herndon, Virginia (Williams, no pagination). American Renaissance is a white supremacist magazine headed up by Jared Taylor that promotes the "clear conception of the United States as a nation ruled by and for whites" (no pagination). Rushton was surrounded by such notable white supremacists as former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke, racist talk show host Hal Turner, Director of the Holocaust denying Institute for Historical Review Mark Weber, former neo-Nazi National Alliance members David Pringle and National Vanguard's Kevin Strom, and former Klansman and head of white supremacist website Stormfront.org Don Black (no pagination). Rushton used the occasion to speak about IQ tests proving whites' supposed genetic superiority over blacks (no pagination). The Pioneer Fund and the Power Elite While many might consider the Pioneer Fund merely a fringe organization, it is far from being a collection of disenfranchised, racist misfits. Pioneer Fund principal Harry Laughlin was also the superintendent of the Eugenics Record Office (ERO) (Chaitkin 551). The ERO was established on 80 acres of land and in buildings donated by E.H. Harriman's widow, Mary A. Harriman (550). The Harrimans were the most powerful family in the Democratic party at one time and their dynasty belongs among the ranks of the power elite. Like most elitists, the Harrimans possessed a fascination with eugenics. Averell Harriman was on the Executive Committee of New Yorks' American Museum of Natural History. In 1921, Harriman and the rest of the Museum Executive Committee hosted the Second International Eugenics Congress (551). Averell also contributed $1,000 to the conference and his mother and sister were primary hostesses at the conference (551). The trend was repeated in 1932 when the Third International Eugenics Congress was held at New York's American Museum of Natural History (552). Once again, the Harrimans financed the conference and Averell's mother and sister acted as hostesses (552). At the conference, Dr. Ernst Rudin, the man responsible for Nazi Germany's sterilization program, was recognized with a medal and was elected President of the International Federation of Eugenics Societies (552). There is no small connection between Laughlin, the Harrimans, and the Nazis. When writing the Nazi's sterilization law entitled "For the Protection of German Blood and German Honor," Rudin relied heavily on the "Model Sterilization Law" drafted for the ERO by Laughlin (551). Laughlin was attempting to achieve the ERO's goal of producing "the perfect man" by 1980 through the sterilization of 15 million Americans (551). Among those targeted by Laughlin's law were "orphans, the homeless, ne'er-do-wells, and tramps" (552). Ironically, Laughlin would later discover that he had epilepsy, a condition his model law identified as a criterion for sterilization ("Harry Laughlin," no pagination). George H.W. Bush, the consummate oligarch, gave an audience to recipients of the Pioneer Fund. In 1969, then-chairman of the Republican Task Force on Earth Resources and Population Bush invited Professors William Shockley and Arthur Jensen to appear before the committee and share their views concerning race and eugenics (52). According to the Institute for the Study of Academic Racism, Shockley would go on to "receive an estimated $188,710 from the Pioneer Fund between 1971 and 1978" and Jensen, Shockley's recruit into race science, received more than a million dollars from the Pioneer Fund over three decades ("Race Science and the Pioneer Fund," no pagination). For Bush, the growth of the black population was obviously a threat, as is evidenced by the views held by Shockley and Jensen. In the same year that the GOP task force supplied him with a congressional platform, Shockley wrote: "Our nobly intended welfare programs may be encouraging dysgenics-retrogressive evolution through disproportionate reproduction of the genetically disadvantage… We fear that 'fatuous beliefs' in the power of welfare money, unaided by eugenic foresight, may contribute to a decline of human quality for all segments of society." (Tarpley and Chaitkin 200) To counter this tide of so-called "retrogressive evolution," Shockley proposed a "Bonus Sterilization Plan" (Tarpley and Chaitkin 200). Individuals with genetic defects, chronic diseases, or drug and alcohol addiction would be paid for volunteering to be sterilized (200). Chaitkin and Tarpley elaborate: "If [the government paid] a bonus rate of $1,000 for each point below 100 IQ, $30,000 put in trust for some 70 IQ moron of 20-child potential, it might return $250,000 to taxpayers in reduced cost of mental retardation care," Shockley said. (200). True to the Draper tradition, Shockley identified African-Americans as the main target of his mass sterilization plan. Tarpley and Chaitkin share Shockley's racist views: "If those blacks with the least amount of Caucasian genes are in fact the most prolific and the least intelligent, the genetic enslavement will be the destiny of their next generation," he wrote. Looking at the recent past, Shockley said in 1967: "The lesson to be drawn from Nazi history is the value of free speech, not that eugenics is intolerable." (200) Why would Bush give Pioneer Fund recipients with radical racist views a platform? Tarpley and Chaitkin provide an accurate explanation: Oligarchy… subsumes the self-conception of the oligarch as belonging to a special, exalted breed of mankind, one that is superior to the common rule of mankind as a matter of hereditary, genetic superiority. This mentality generally goes together with a fascination for eugenics, race science and just plain racism as a means of building a case that one's own family tree and racial stock are indeed superior. (9-10) Conclusion The majority of conservatives have been duped and Palin is no exception to that rule. If Palin does not want to become involved with the kind of dirty politics and radical agenda that have made most Americans jaded and cynical, she must recognize the CNP for what it really is. Under the CNP's mask lies an elite combine that is mobilizing unwitting conservatives and grassroots activists behind an elite agenda. Part of that agenda is eugenics. Sources Cited Begos, Kevin. "Benefactor With a Racist Bent." Winston-Salem Journal Blumenthal, Max. "Secretive Right-Wing Group Vetted Palin." The Nation 1 September 2008 Chaitkin, Anton. Treason In America. New York: New Benjamin Franklin House, 1985. "Council for National Policy: Selected Member Biographies." Seek God Demer, Lisa. "Abortion opponents give Palin high marks." Anchorage Daily News 7 September 2008 "Harry H. Laughlin." Wikipedia 10 July 2008 Leiby, Richard. "What Will the Neighbors Say? Wolfowitz Romance Stirs Gossip." Washington Post 22 March 2005 Lichtenstein, Grace "Fund Backs Controversial Study of 'Racial Betterment'." The New York Times 11 December 1977 "Race Science and the Pioneer Fund." Institute for the Study of Academic Racism July 1998 Tarpley, Webster and Anton Chaitkin. George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography. Washington, D.C.: Executive Intelligence Review, 1992. "The Bell Curve and the Pioneer Fund." ABC World News Tonight 22 November 1994 Williams, David. "BNP leader embraced by top US Nazi." Searchlight Magazine April 2006 About the Authors Phillip D. Collins acted as the editor for The Hidden Face of Terrorism. He co-authored the book The Ascendancy of the Scientific Dictatorship, which is available at www.amazon.com. It is also available as an E-book at www.4acloserlook.com. Phillip has also written articles for Paranoia Magazine, MKzine, News With Views, B.I.P.E.D.: The Official Website of Darwinian Dissent and Conspiracy Archive. He has also been interviewed on several radio programs, including A Closer Look, Peering Into Darkness, From the Grassy Knoll, Frankly Speaking, the ByteShow, and Sphinx Radio. In 1999, Phillip earned an Associate degree of Arts and Science. In 2006, he earned a bachelor's degree with a major in communication studies and liberal studies along with a minor in philosophy. During the course of his seven-year college career, Phillip has studied philosophy, religion, political science, semiotics, journalism, theatre, and classic literature. He recently completed a collection of short stories, poetry, and prose entitled Expansive Thoughts. Readers can learn more about it at www.expansivethoughts.com. Paul D. Collins has studied suppressed history and the shadowy undercurrents of world political dynamics for roughly eleven years. In 1999, he earned his Associate of Arts and Science degree. In 2006, he completed his bachelor's degree with a major in liberal studies and a minor political science. Paul has authored another book entitled The Hidden Face of Terrorism: The Dark Side of Social Engineering, From Antiquity to September 11. Published in November 2002, the book is available online from www.1stbooks.com, barnesandnoble.com, and also amazon.com. It can be purchased as an e-book (ISBN 1-4033-6798-1) or in paperback format (ISBN 1-4033-6799-X). Paul also co-authored The Ascendancy of the Scientific Dictatorship. A comprehensive collection of Collins articles can be found here.

After William Pepper was a victim of "ambush journalism" by a major network TV program, I began to reconsider some of my thoughts about the validity of Pepper's claims regarding his alternative suspect in the MLK case. Pepper was shocked to learn that his suspect was still alive when he walked into the taping session on cue, and that he had a verifiable and documented alibi to account for his whereabouts when the shots were fired. He was at work, over a thousand miles away. Pepper's only comment after he was told that this guy planned to bring a lawsuit against him was: "If I knew he was still alive, I would never have accused him of involvement in the MLK murder." Pretty sad, really. If Pepper had done his homework and brought more focus on Robert Emmett Johnson and "Raoul" from Montreal as described in "The Fish Is Red" by Bill Turner, he would have advanced the solution and the conclusion of both the JFK and the MLK murders. I told Dick Russell as much after Pepper's book on the MLK topic was published. Pepper might have been very sincere, but he certainly was an opportunist as well and he might have done more harm than good in the MLK case. Russell was originally quite optimistic about Pepper's "breakthroughs" but must have been ultimately disappointed about the final upshot in his convoluted saga which probably dashed remaining hopes for a final solution. Perhaps that is why most researchers focus on "suspicions" and not "suspects". Much safer that way. And that favorite old saw about all "real conspirators" being murdered after the fact is just another cop-out which I never agreed with at all. I mean would you want to take the "hit assignment" on either Frank Sturgis or Robert E. Johnson after all? You gotta be nuts to take on that assignment. Go back to armchair quarterbacking and playing your video games. Nobody would mess with either Sturgis or Johnson. Nobody.

Thank you John, for your voice of reason on this subject. Did you know who published the very first rendition of this quite preposterous myth about the Apollo 11 Hoax? None other than The Liberty Lobby, in the Spotlight when Mark Lane was their General Counsel. Lane even defended The Liberty Lobby against the lawsuit by Mel Mermelstein. Lane took the side that The Holocaust never happened and lost of course. Isn't it ironic that there are no such things as Black Klansmen but there seem to be more than a few Jewish Nazis around. Now who would ever believe that Apollo Hoax or Holocaust Hoax garbage? After all the latter was published and promoted by Regnery Press for decades, and William Regnery started The America First Committee along with Gen. Robert E. Wood, both of whom were expert brain washers and pro-Nazi elements. Wood was also a major shareholder in United Fruit as well. Why would anyone fall for either hoax? They are both such palpable lies.

Let's see. Mid-February - Volkmar Schmidt meets Oswald at a party set up for Oswald to meet Michael Paine - and talks to him about General Walker and assassinating Hitler. March - Oswald orders rifle and pistol via US mail. March 7, 1963 - The Twilight Zone tv show includes a character who has the opportunity to kill Hitler from a window with a high powered rifle. DID OSWALD SEE THIS TWILIGHT ZONE SEGMENT? DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT NIGHT OF THE WEEK IT WAS BROADCAST AND WHAT OSWALD WAS DOING AT THE TIME. - Thanks - April 10, 1963 - Walker assassination attempt, from someone with a rifle; Oswald tells Marina he did it. Oswald relocates to New Orleans; Mrs. Paine bringing the alleged assassin rifle with her in her station wagon, and again, September 23, 1963 - Mrs. Paine picks up Marina, the kids and the rifle and delivers them to her home in Irving, Texas. November 22, 1963 - Oswald is accused of killing JFK from a window with a high powered rifle. Oswald ordered the rifle because James Eastland who later started "The Eastland Commission to Investigate the Assassination of JFK" according to Jim Marrs in Crossfire, was running an investigation into how easy it was to order a rifle through the mails. Not because Rod Serling planted the idea in is head in a Twilight Zone episode. But that is an interesting leap of faith to say the least.

And it should be noted that it was little old me who helped put the C. D. Jackson, Wickliffe Draper, Eugenics bug in Professor Evica's ear. Even the fact of Wickliffe Draper's close connections to all the Unitarian linked into the entire JFK investigation was my original concept. Where was the starting point for this C. D. Jackson to Wickliffe Draper linkage and their lifelong relationship? Charles Douglas Jackson was the best man at Draper's sister's wedding in 1924. That is how far back these 2 families go. And more recently I discovered the fact that Yale Skull and Bonesman, Morehead Patterson, the inventor of the "Patterson Cigarette Packer" was the best man at Henry Luce's wedding. Morehead Patterson and his role in creating an automatic cartridge clip for the Manlicher Carcano has also been one of my more potent discoveries. Patterson was very active with his group of American Tobacco clients since before 1900 mostly involving Yale Skull and Bonesmen. And his company, AMF, was also a war and missile contractor who did business with Rockwell, the company that bailed out the Draper Company in 1967 via a $100 million White Knight takeover, on the exact date that Gordon Novel referred to in his letter to "Mr. Weiss" when Novel threatened to blow the cover on some upcoming event of vast importance. AMF could have stood for America's Military Fascists instead of their more familiar bowling based fake motto of "American Manufacturers of Fun". Their Patterson Cigarette Packer rolled cigarettes which resulted in the deaths of millions across the globe. And using the Manlicher Carcano 5-shot clip, in development since 1962 and available in 1963 before release to the Navy in 1964, even I could have put 3 bullets into the JFK limousine in less than 4 seconds flat from the so-called sniper's perch. You would be amazed how many time-honored misconceptions get blown out of the water when you are forced to confront the likely usage of Mitchell Werbell's rifle silencers and the AMF Manlicher Carcano rifle clip in the JFK plot. Imagine all the wasted analysis time which could have been totally avoided with just a little bit of due dilligence and research. How many theories rest their credentials on that magical 3.6 second time slice when in fact it was realistically possible to accomplish 3 shots within that time frame especially when you consider that you had up to 3 seconds more up front to aim and fire that first shot?

Sounds like a nice idea. Does he have a 500 words or less summary of his thesis? Looks like his "sky is falling" predictions about the Y2K crisis missed the mark by a country mile. How much better would be expect him to be on the JFK hit? Would he pursue the Religious Right as suspects? Hardly. The Birch Society? Never. YAF? Bet not. Who is left? Y2K controversy Gary North gained some notoriety for his prediction of a possible Y2K catastrophe in print and online, before 2000. Like economists Don McAlvany[6], Ed Yourdon[7] and Ed Yardeni[8], and many others, North suggested that a Y2K date-rollover failure of the global Information Technology (IT) infrastructure might precipitate severe disruption and perhaps even an economic collapse. North urged his readers to take "prudent" survivalist preparedness measures.[9] A concerted last-minute effort by IT professionals prevented this catastrophe, but North later described Y2K as "a close call." His web site Gary North's Y2K Links and Forums has been preserved at a mirror site.[10] North's Y2K forums[11] were all moderated by volunteer subject matter experts. For example, the Securing Your Home Forum was moderated by survival retreat expert Joel Skousen, and the Inventory and Barter Items Forum was moderated by the survivalist novelist James Wesley Rawles, who later went on to be a survivalist blogger and preparedness guru. North's main Y2K web site was taken offline early in 2000.

Yet in the early 70's they measured the distance of Apollo lunar rover EVAs in kilometres - cast iron proof of whistle-blowing. Ergo, Apollo was faked. Apollo 15 was faked? You have got to be kidding, right? Please tell me you are joking! How do you explain the green feta cheese tracked back to earth by the astronauts then? And how about the image of Badge Man in the Man on the Moon, huh? Any explanation for that? And as for the longest drive contest (Eugene Cernan was it?). The golf ball is still there for all to see. Sheesh! And the compostion of the moon rocks which is not like anything else on earth. How did that happen? Have a bowl of tapioca, dude.

Paranoia strikes deep... into your heart it will creep. Neil Young with his group Buffalo Springfield... Paranoia strikes deep / Into your life it will creep / It starts when you're always afraid / You step out of line, the man come and take you away The chorus: I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound / Everybody look what's going down

Hey Greg, That really sucks that your web page was hacked and destroyed. Were you targeted specifically? Do you have any suspects? It's a shame we can't protect ourselves from this kind of attack. You had a number of important articles that I hope you can retrieve. Colonel Castorr certainly got around in different circles doesn't he? BK Some of the hosting sites with the best virus and hacking protections are: http://www.discountasp.net http://www.alentus.com http://www.crystaltech.com is a lower priced, slightly lower performance site. If a site is totally hacked and destroyed even the evidence probably disappeared. There are programs which can scape the HTML on a daily or weekly basis and save an image of it for recovery. Let me know if you want to know the URLs. Always a good idea. But don't let the paranoia trip get to you, if you use low quality web hosts, crashes can occur as a result of normal operations or lack thereof. Hosting hundreds of sites is a very tricky business and system crashes or disk crashes occur all the time for the unprepared ones.

Brig. Gen. Robert Castorr had some very influential friends after (and before?) the death of JFK, and he like other clear conspirators, sent letters using the November 22 date as a subtle reminder about his role in those events. Castorr belonged to a Shickshinny Knights of Malta type of org which is referenced herein. He was a leader of that group out of his Bethesda, Maryland home for years. An arch-Conservative, arch-Catholic, anti-Communist organization. And James Richards links him into Dr. Robert Morris, but I do not have that citation if he gave it. http://www.shawlfoundation.org/castorr1.htm The concept that the Dallas John Birch trio of Morris, Willoughby and Walker could not have done every phase of the JFK hit needs considerable re-evaluation. Using their ASC comrades they had fingers into ONI, CIA, Army Intel, DIA and NSA plus the business, military and political leaders needed to pull it all off IMHO. Plus my guess is that the CIA itself (with the exception of Angleton and Cline perhaps) would have had little or nothing to do with Willoughby, Walker and MacArthur. Angleton and Cline left the CIA by the 1970's or earlier. Angleton was forced out once the CIA found out what he had been doing and used the Seymour Hersch leak about spying on US citizens as the method to oust Angleton.

Get out your "tin helmets" dudes and expand this UFO thread until you can't believe it any more. The whole world is watching. This is like "Independence Day", the movie, starring your own poster-boys as the heroes.

Was it LeMay whom Kennedy wanted removed from any future meetings with MacNamara, JFK and his staff or someone else? Here is an exchange between myself and Jim Root where I posed several questions about Walker and he replied in what he emphasized was necessarily a cursory manner. To quote Jim: "Feel free to post my replies but please add my name and the caveat that my research is complicated and in depth dealing with Edwin Walker and that these are nothing more than brief responses." (I posed these questions and Jim replied.) 1) What do you make of Jack Ruby's attempt to implicate Edwin A. Walker and the Dallas Birch Society in the JFK hit during Ruby's WC testimony? Can you please answer the question that was posed? 2) What do you conclude from Walker's efforts at publishing the "Eagle Forum" as part of Willis A. Carto's racist and anti-Semitic Noontide Press in California? Walker was a part owner as I recall. Have you ever read any of his racist and anti-Semitic diatribes from The Eagle Forum yet? 3) Have you read Dr. Jerry Rose's Third Decade articles on Mary Ferrell's site about "Nut Country" and the meetings at the Jung Hotel in New Orleans run by Edwin A. Walker a week before the assassination? What are your conclusions about these meetings? Can you please address the question that was posed at some later time? Walker was hardly a patsy. He was part of setting up the Oswald "legend". Walker was part of the group appearing before over 100 leaders of the conservative, radical right in the Jung Hotel in New Orleans where they discussed the "cover-up" and how to handle the fall-out from the upcoming JFK hit, plain and simple. Why do you want to exonerate Walker from all of this anyway? Was Walker "infiltrating the right" when he visited Byron DeLa Beckwith in jail on several different occasions or was he "giving aid and comfort to the enemy?" You really should read "Portrait of a Racist" by Reed Massengil and "American Insurrection" about Ole Miss. I doubt it would change your mind about Walker, because you appear so entrenched in your position, but at least you would perhaps begin to realize what a violent and committed psycho Walker and his cohorts were. So Walker realized that he himself could be "framed as a participant in the assassination?" Dude, he realized that a week before the assassination. How do you come up with these creative excuses for Walker anyway? Your statement that "Walker infiltrated the far right" to spy on them is so incredulous that no one would possibly take that seriously. Did you really expect anyone to believe you on that one? 4) Exactly whose "orders" do you think Walker was following when he led the "American Insurrection" at Ole Miss when his troops opened fire on National Guardsmen? Have you read the book: "American Insurrection" and do you think Walker was an insurrectionist? Whose "orders" do you think he was following then? Please address the issues. And, I might add, a very slimy, despicable and psychotic fellow as well. Do you think he was any of these? 5) What have you concluded about Walker and the sniper shot and "assn attempt" when he lived on Turtle Creek Drive? Did you ever think that even Marina Oswald was part of the plot to implicate Oswald? Or did you ever think that however Mamantov or Voshinin translated what she said would be 100% accurate? It was not recorded so they could have been like Robin Williams when he did that comedy sketch about the translator for the gymnast Nadia Comaneci. When she made gestures about smoking pot and drinking to excess, he just blandly and quietly translated it in a politically correct manner. Funny as hell, but very pithy, too. Mamantov and Voshinin could have said anything and twisted the truth and poor Marina gets the blame for twisting the truth and getting her facts wrong and no one seems to understand that at all. 6) Was RFK justified in sending Walker to the loony bin at the Springfield, MO federal penitentiary after Ole Miss? Can you please answer the question that was posed? 7) Do you still consider Walker to be more of an "American Patriot" or an "American Insurrectionist?" Just curious. I forgot to add item number 8 which was: 8) Richard Condon even refers to either a Turtle Bay or Turtle Creek location in Texas in 1959 where a certain suspect in the 1958 plot to kill JFK lived at that time. Walker lived on Turtle Creek Drive, but was there ever a Turtle Bay section in Dallas? Do you think Condon was referring to Edwin Walker at that time and his residence on Turtle Creek Drive? Perhaps item 8) is the most important of all questions about Walker... I think that perhaps even I have given short shrift to the role of Edwin A. Walker over the years, having temporarily overlooked what Jack Ruby and Richard Condon had to say about him decades ago. My guess is that many of you would reach the same conclusion. Ironic is it not, that despite the number of MacArthur's minions thick as thieves in the JFK plot, little attention has been focused on these characters over the years despite the recent onslaught of evidence spearheaded by the revelations in TMWKTM by Dick Russell. Wonder if it would have been any different had this knowledge been revealed in the 1970's instead? I think so and told Dick as much. When you put together the research done on Edwin A. Walker by Dr. Jerry Rose in "Nut Country" (Third Decade) and elsewhere you must be inspired to include Walker high on your suspects list. After all, he joined Willoughby, MacArthur, Wm Potter Gale and others like Wedemeyer, Stratemeyer, Fellers, etc. among the recently humiliated, debunked and deposed anti-USA insurrectionists and mutinous recalcitrants who seemed to favor Nazism over Democracy as their birthright. This characterization might just blow the doors off most alternative conspiracy theories being proposed, but in fact history shall record this theory and this pattern as being quite factual. I just wonder why it took so long for this concept to get even a small foothold in JFK conspiracy documentation. Well, not really, when you had the Far Reich fighting the concept for so long. They did a hell of a job at it, too. Thanks, Jim, for your responses. You taught me a lot about how it is possible for someone like Walker to avoid an indictment, either legal or public, for his very patently obvious series of roles in the JFK assassination. How do you think history will record these facts and your interpretation of them? RFK's attorney probably realized after Ole Miss that Walker could get off using an "insanity defense" and therefore declined to indict him or prosecute him for Ole Miss. Big mistake. Very big mistake. And he did not want to give Walker a national stage for months in order to proselytize and pontificate either during his trial. Big mistake. Did Walker work for the CIA at all in your opinion? Would they have anything to do with a person like him... anything at all? Just curious what you think. Would ANY US Intel organization have anything to do with him at all or was he just another "lone nut?" He certainly was a nut, I will give you that, and he was joined by dozens and dozens from "Nut Country", according to Dr. Jerry Rose. What was it that convinced Walker he was about to be "framed" for conspiracy in the JFK hit anyway? Justifiable paranoia?

From Wikipedia: Original series (1963–1965) Each show would begin with a cold open, followed by narration by someone identifying himself as the Control Voice, which was played over visuals of an oscilloscope. “There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat: there is nothing wrong with your television set. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to... The Outer Limits." — Opening narration – The Control Voice – 1960s Many episodes used one of two shortened versions of this introduction.

When reading Ultimate Sac or Legacy of Secrecy, in which they discuss the "Contingency Plans for a Coup in Cuba," or reading the real documents, if you substitute at Dealey Plaza in place of "in Cuba" then it all fits in rather nicely. Now that's funny.

And how, pray tell, was Thomas W. Lamont inextricably linked to the Buckley family and J. P. Morgan interests of Wickliffe Draper and Company? PLEASE TAKE NOTE THAT IT WAS WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY, JR.'S FATHER WHO ORIGINATED THIS CONCEPT OF LINKING ANTI-COMMUNISM WITH FABRICATED ANTI-CATHOLIC POWDERPUFF THREATS WHICH HAD ONLY ONE REAL GOAL: SELFISH RECOVERY OF EXPROPRIATED OIL PROPERTIES OF PANTAPEC OIL OWNED BY THE BUCKLEY FAMILY. IT TOOK A POSTING ON THE LAROUCHE SITE TO POINT THIS OUT TO ALL OF US. THIS CONCEPT WAS PRODUCED IN ALMOST IDENTICAL FASHION DURING THE INFAMOUS UNITED FRUIT "THE BANANA WARS" IN NICARAGUA, HONDURAS, GUATAMALA AND LATER CUBA. (Look up: "The Cuba Company" first owned by J. P. Morgan, the Lamonts, the Brady Bunch and the Ryans of YAF fame. These guys lost hundreds of thousand of acres of tobacco, sugar cane, banana and pineapple plantations to Fidel Castro. Mostly tobacco and bananas.) It took a posting on a Lyndon LaRouche site to make the point so obvious: And who else came to the rescue and rode with Buckley's father after Pancho Villa? All together now, you should know the drill by now: Wickliffe Draper's Uncle, Jim Angleton's father, and a young Charles Willoughby himself. And it took David Guyatt to point out that during World War II Willoughby ran what was then known as The Army Air Corps, where he supervised a much younger Edward Lansdale who was part of that program before it became The United States Air Force in later years, where all those Dr. Strangelove types congregated whom JFK despised. You did know about that, right? In the critical period after 1917, William F. Buckley, Sr. actively organized against the Mexican Revolution, opposing both the revolutionary laws that threatened foreign oil holdings, including those of Buckley himself, but also the laws that were designed to defend Mexican sovereignty against the sedition of synarchist elements of the Catholic Church. In 1919, Buckley and Thomas Lamont, of the J.P. Morgan banking empire, founded and ran an organization called the American Association of Mexico. Buckley himself was expelled from Mexico by President Alvaro Obregón in 1921 for counterrevolutionary activity. Moreover, Buckley promised to help fund the Cristeros. Although he apparently did not deliver on this promise, the very promise constituted an encouragement and an incitement to rebellion. Once Warren Harding was elected U.S. President, replacing Wilson, Buckley campaigned against recognition of the Mexican government of Alvaro Obregón. In 1921, he, along with Thomas W. Lamont of J.P. Morgan, formed the American Association of Mexico, with offices in New York City and Washington, D.C. The AAM aimed at undoing the confiscatory oil legislation, restoring special privileges of U.S. citizens in Mexico, and eliminating provisions of the Mexican Constitution that forbade American clergymen of any denomination to exercise their religious office in Mexico. Thomas Lamont was also the head of the International Bankers Committee, which later negotiated a deal with Mexico to guarantee Mexican foreign debt payments to the international banks. In November 1921, Buckley was expelled from Mexico for \"counterrevolutionary conspiracy\" by President Alvaro Obregón. Buckley had lost many of his properties, when they were taken over by Obregón\'s government. During the Cristero Rebellion, the military head of the National League, René Capistran Garza, visited William F. Buckley, Sr. in San Antonio, Texas. Buckley proposed to offer the Mexican rebels $500,000 to aid their revolution. Buckley saw an opportunity to recoup his fortunes in Mexico by financing the Cristeros in their attempt to overthrow the Calles regime. Buckley did not intend to furnish the money himself. Instead he offered to introduce Capistrán Garza to Nicholas Brady, who, Buckley said, would give the League representative the $500,000. Brady was president of the New York Edison Company and the United Electric Light and Power Company in 1926. He was the first American layman to receive the title of papal Chamberlain and was a close personal friend of Pius XI and the papal Secretary of State, Cardinal Gasparri. Despite the fact that Buckley and others clearly shared the synarchist ideology of the Cristeros, they used the Cristeros as cannon fodder in order to put pressure on the Mexican government to make concessions in respect to foreign oil interests in Mexico and in respect to international debt payments. The Politics of Oil As can be seen from the above account of the roles of Buckley and Lamont, the Cristero Rebellion was directly related to the question of foreign investment in Mexican oil and to the question of Mexican debt to the international banks, which were represented by Lamont of J.P. Morgan. While Obregón was President of Mexico, as reported above, the U.S. withheld recognition of his government for three years. It was only recognized in 1923 after Obregón had reached an agreement with the United States on the oil question, the so-called Bucareli agreement of 1923, in which Mexico stipulated that oil lands acquired between 1876 and 1917 by foreign investors, such as William F. Buckley, Sr., could be held in perpetuity. Although Obregón had expelled Buckley from Mexico in 1921, after the Bucareli agreement, the next President of Mexico, Calles, invited him to return in 1924. Morrow resigned from J.P. Morgan before accepting the assignment, and although his connection to J.P. Morgan is significant, he was clearly not just an agent of the Morgan interests. In 1925, he had been chair of the Committee on Military Affairs, which investigated the charges leveled by Col. William Mitchell (head of the Army Air Service) on the inadequacy of U.S. air defense. Also of note is that fact that before accepting his assignment to Mexico he had made the acquaintance of Col. Charles A. Lindbergh and suggested he fly to Mexico City. Lindbergh arrived in Mexico on Dec. 14, 1927. Later, Lindbergh was to marry Morrow\'s daughter. (In 1940, long after Morrow died in 1931, his daughter, Anne Morrow Lindbergh, wrote a book entitled The Wave of the Future: A Confession of Faith, which was favorably reviewed by the wife of William F. Buckley, Sr.)

Was it LeMay whom Kennedy wanted removed from any future meetings with MacNamara, JFK and his staff or someone else? Here is an exchange between myself and Jim Root where I posed several questions about Walker and he replied in what he emphasized was necessarily a cursory manner. To quote Jim: "Feel free to post my replies but please add my name and the caveat that my research is complicated and in depth dealing with Edwin Walker and that these are nothing more than brief responses." (I posed these questions and Jim replied.) 1) What do you make of Jack Ruby's attempt to implicate Edwin A. Walker and the Dallas Birch Society in the JFK hit during Ruby's WC testimony? Ruby was consistently afraid of Walker and his connections. Personal opinion leads me to believe that Ruby was working for another organization.......Check his lie detector information....if you examine it carefully there is a particular point where the needle jumped and no reason (such as movement) was noted at the time...This particular jump was questioned by the Warren Commission attorneys when they took the testimony from the technician that administered the test. The same "problem" was questioned by a future commission....In both cases the particular anomaly was explained away by the fact that Ruby may have moved causing the needle to jump but was not noted by the technician at the time.... The movement occurred before a question was asked so the explanation seems plausible but Ruby was informed that he was to be asked a question about a person when the jump occurred. It is the testimony of this person that Ruby was to be asked a question about that I find even more interesting in perhaps explaining Ruby's actions...... Two and three together: 2) What do you conclude from Walker's efforts at publishing the "Eagle Forum" as part of Willis A. Carto's racist and anti-Semitic Noontide Press in California? Walker was a part owner as I recall. Have you ever read any of his racist and anti-Semitic diatribes from The Eagle Forum yet? 3) Have you read Dr. Jerry Rose's Third Decade articles on Mary Ferrell's site about "Nut Country" and the meetings at the Jung Hotel in New Orleans run by Edwin A. Walker a week before the assassination? What are your conclusions about these meetings? It is my belief that Walker's actions after the Pro Blue fiasco was orchestrated to discredit Walker.....While this is difficult to explain in a short response I will suggest that Oswald's "defection" to the Soviet Union was an orchestrated event that Walker was directly involved in. When Oswald first sent a letter to the US Embassy suggesting that he wanted to return to the US, Walker's troubles begin. In parallel when the Soviets finally realize that Oswald is going to be allowed to return to the US, Soviet defector Noreseko makes contact with US Intelligence. I believe that, as Walker himself suggested, Oswald was working (knowingly or unknowingly) for both countries. It is also my belief that Walker was forced to accept his fate, without knowing the WHY and, as he did throughout his career, accepted his orders without question. US Law does not allow the military to spy on US citizens, by resigning from the military Walker was free to infiltrate the far right in America and may have been legally spying for US Intelligence agencies. I believe that if I am correct when Walker saw Oswald's picture on TV the day of the assassination he realized that he could be framed as a participant in the assassination, his action in the next 48 hours can be explained within this scenario.....as can the McCloy - Walker correspondence of June, 1963. Walker may have been the biggest Patsy! 4) Exactly whose "orders" do you think Walker was following when he led the "American Insurrection" at Ole Miss when his troops opened fire on National Guardsmen? Have you read the book: "American Insurrection" and do you think Walker was an insurrectionist? Did "his troops" open fire? No I have not read the book "American Insurrection." I do believe that Walker was a very slippery fellow! 5) What have you concluded about Walker and the sniper shot and "assn attempt" when he lived on Turtle Creek Drive? I believe as Marina Oswald still believes to this day, Oswald attempted to kill Maj. Gen. Edwin Anderson Walker. Although Marina apparently does not now believe that her husband killed Kennedy when recently asked why are you so sure he shot at Walker....she replied because he told her he had! I also believe that Demitri D, brother of George D was instrumental in providing this information to those involved in the conspiracy to kill Kennedy. It is shortly after the Walker assassination attempt that Richard Helms is being informed by the FBI of Oswald's movements....right up until FBI Agent Hosty reports on exactly where Oswald was working......this information (Hosty's third note) remains as a "missing" piece of information.....and as V Bugliosi says the withholding of evidence can be used to prove guilt. As I have pointed out in some of my posts in the months preceding Oswald's defection Helms was meeting with former SI personal that included close associates Of John J. McCloy and the brother of George D. It was speculated by one from this group that Helms was going to be running an off radar intelligence operation through Helsinki in the upcoming months. Was this the Oswald "defection" into the Soviet Union? Good question but I uncovered this correspondence exactly where my research has led me. 6) Was RFK justified in sending Walker to the loony bin at the Springfield, MO federal penitentiary after Ole Miss? Well Walker, until his death, believed that RFK was instrumental in releasing Oswald after the attempt on Walker's life. I believe that Oswald was involved in the downing of the U-2 aircraft on May 1, 1960 which led to the failure of the Paris Summit scheduled for May 15, 1960, a summit that John J. McCloy did not want a Limited Test Ban Treaty signed at. McCloy got exactly what he wanted! Oswald was very familiar and disturbed by these two incidents and spoke about them at Spring Hill College. I will suggest that Kennedy's success in the Democratic Primary was sealed after the downing of the U-2 and the election would have been won by Nixon if, in May of 1960, Nixon and Eisenhower would have been perceived by the American Public and the world as a whole as being the men Working toward cooperation with the Soviet Union and to a thawing of relations in the Cold War. It is my belief that Kennedy recognized that his election may have been helped by the actions of John J. McCloy and rewarded him by recognizing him in the first paragraph or his very first press conference. RFK may have been well aware of the roll of Walker in the insertion of Oswald into the Soviet Union and how that played into the downing of the U-2 and the Presidential election. If true it is reasonable that RFK would have worked to tarnish Walker's reputation rather that have the possibility of having revealed the true nature of a, perhaps, orchestrated U-2 event that had led to the election of his brother John. Oswald running around in the US may have presented an interesting problem to people such as Richard Helms and others........ 7) Do you still consider Walker to be more of an "American Patriot" or an "American Insurrectionist?" Just curious. Well he may have been one or the other as you suggest.....but hey, if he wasn't one then was he the other? Interesting question that has led me to research in great deal the whole life of Edwin Walker. And as I said he was a very slippery fellow.......!!!!!!!! I forgot to add item number 8 which was: 8) Richard Condon even refers to either a Turtle Bay or Turtle Creek location in Texas in 1959 where a certain suspect in the 1958 plot to kill JFK lived at that time. Walker lived on Turtle Creek Drive, but was there ever a Turtle Bay section in Dallas? Do you think Condon was referring to Edwin Walker at that time and his residence on Turtle Creek Drive? Perhaps item 8) is the most important of all questions about Walker... I think that perhaps even I have given short shrift to the role of Edwin A. Walker over the years, having temporarily overlooked what Jack Ruby and Richard Condon had to say about him decades ago. My guess is that many of you would reach the same conclusion. Ironic is it not, that despite the number of MacArthur's minions thick as thieves in the JFK plot, little attention has been focused on these characters over the years despite the recent onslaught of evidence spearheaded by the revelations in TMWKTM by Dick Russell. Wonder if it would have been any different had this knowledge been revealed in the 1970's instead? I think so and told Dick as much. When you put together the research done on Edwin A. Walker by Dr. Jerry Rose in "Nut Country" (Third Decade) and elsewhere you must be inspired to include Walker high on your suspects list. After all, he joined Willoughby, MacArthur, Wm Potter Gale and others like Wedemeyer, Stratemeyer, Fellers, etc. among the recently humiliated, debunked and deposed anti-USA insurrectionists and mutinous recalcitrants who seemed to favor Nazism over Democracy as their birthright. This characterization might just blow the doors off most alternative conspiracy theories being proposed, but in fact history shall record this theory and this pattern as being quite factual. I just wonder why it took so long for this concept to get even a small foothold in JFK conspiracy documentation. Well, not really, when you had the Far Reich fighting the concept for so long. They did a hell of a job at it, too.

Jim Root gave me permission to post these questions I posed to him in a PM with his brief replies. He asked me to include this caveat as well: "Feel free to post my replies but please add my name and the caveat that my research is complicated and in depth dealing with Edwin Walker and that these are nothing more than brief responses." This topic should make for an interesting discussion focus since some would take the position of "Walker as the Ole Miss and Little Rock Insurrectionist" position and perhaps implicate him as a JFK plotter and a "pro-Blue John Birch indoctrination specialist" while others might take the "Walker was an American Patriot and hero" position. As you will see, your position and perspective on Walker will greatly influence your interpretation of Walker's motivations, his associates, his background and his actions especially during the "Ole Miss Insurrection" and his activity in partnership with Willis Carto of The Liberty Lobby in California, and their shared interests with both the Holocaust Denial and pro-Nazi writings from the "Noontide Press" and the "Eagle Forum" publications. Walker was yet another of the former MacArthur and Willoughby minions whom I believe was "just following orders" from both Willoughby and MacArthur. Walker very likely gave marching orders to Col. William Potter Gale and his anti-Government, anti-Kennedy "California Bombers" during both the 1958 assassination attempt against then Senator Kennedy and during the 1963 assassination of President Kennedy. For my money, Walker was correctly and accurately identified by Jack Ruby as one of the major players in the Dallas John Birch Society who were behind the JFK hit during his WC testimony, while others may conclude otherwise. Walker's associations with Willis Carto, Wm. Potter Gale and the far right go back to the mid to late 1950's (when Condon included him in ManCand) and the early 1960's when Walker wrote for both Noontide Press and the Eagle Forum which makes him a witting and willing compatriot of those from the racist, anti-Communist radically violent right wing. He was not a "penetration agent" against the right for U.S. Intel Agencies, he was one of their fearless leaders, and one of their most violent, psychotic, anti-Communist and racist leaders in fact. His close fiends from the Dallas John Birch Society, Robert J. Morris and Charles A. Willoughby, have been fingered by about a half-dozen different authors including Mae Brussell, Bill Turner, Dick Russell, Don Miller, Dave Emory, etc. For my money, I believe Jack Ruby and these writers and reject any alternative theories about Walker outright, it is only fair to say right up front. Here are the questions and the responses of Jim Root as a starting point... 1) What do you make of Jack Ruby's attempt to implicate Edwin A. Walker and the Dallas Birch Society in the JFK hit during Ruby's WC testimony? Ruby was consistently afraid of Walker and his connections. Personal opinion leads me to believe that Ruby was working for another organization.......Check his lie detector information....if you examine it carefully there is a particular point where the needle jumped and no reason (such as movement) was noted at the time...This particular jump was questioned by the Warren Commission attorneys when they took the testimony from the technician that administered the test. The same "problem" was questioned by a future commission....In both cases the particular anomaly was explained away by the fact that Ruby may have moved causing the needle to jump but was not noted by the technician at the time.... The movement occurred before a question was asked so the explanation seems plausible but Ruby was informed that he was to be asked a question about a person when the jump occurred. It is the testimony of this person that Ruby was to be asked a question about that I find even more interesting in perhaps explaining Ruby's actions...... Two and three together: 2) What do you conclude from Walker's efforts at publishing the "Eagle Forum" as part of Willis A. Carto's racist and anti-Semitic Noontide Press in California? Walker was a part owner as I recall. Have you ever read any of his racist and anti-Semitic diatribes from The Eagle Forum yet? 3) Have you read Dr. Jerry Rose's Third Decade articles on Mary Ferrell's site about "Nut Country" and the meetings at the Jung Hotel in New Orleans run by Edwin A. Walker a week before the assassination? What are your conclusions about these meetings? It is my belief that Walker's actions after the Pro Blue fiasco was orchestrated to discredit Walker.....While this is difficult to explain in a short response I will suggest that Oswald's "defection" to the Soviet Union was an orchestrated event that Walker was directly involved in. When Oswald first sent a letter to the US Embassy suggesting that he wanted to return to the US, Walker's troubles begin. In parallel when the Soviets finally realize that Oswald is going to be allowed to return to the US, Soviet defector Noreseko makes contact with US Intelligence. I believe that, as Walker himself suggested, Oswald was working (knowingly or unknowingly) for both countries. It is also my belief that Walker was forced to accept his fate, without knowing the WHY and, as he did throughout his career, accepted his orders without question. US Law does not allow the military to spy on US citizens, by resigning from the military Walker was free to infiltrate the far right in America and may have been legally spying for US Intelligence agencies. I believe that if I am correct when Walker saw Oswald's picture on TV the day of the assassination he realized that he could be framed as a participant in the assassination, his action in the next 48 hours can be explained within this scenario.....as can the McCloy - Walker correspondence of June, 1963. Walker may have been the biggest Patsy! 4) Exactly whose "orders" do you think Walker was following when he led the "American Insurrection" at Ole Miss when his troops opened fire on National Guardsmen? Have you read the book: "American Insurrection" and do you think Walker was an insurrectionist? Did "his troops" open fire? No I have not read the book "American Insurrection." I do believe that Walker was a very slippery fellow! 5) What have you concluded about Walker and the sniper shot and "assn attempt" when he lived on Turtle Creek Drive? I believe as Marina Oswald still believes to this day, Oswald attempted to kill Maj. Gen. Edwin Anderson Walker. Although Marina apparently does not now believe that her husband killed Kennedy when recently asked why are you so sure he shot at Walker....she replied because he told her he had! I also believe that Demitri D, brother of George D was instrumental in providing this information to those involved in the conspiracy to kill Kennedy. It is shortly after the Walker assassination attempt that Richard Helms is being informed by the FBI of Oswald's movements....right up until FBI Agent Hosty reports on exactly where Oswald was working......this information (Hosty's third note) remains as a "missing" piece of information.....and as V Bugliosi says the withholding of evidence can be used to prove guilt. As I have pointed out in some of my posts in the months preceding Oswald's defection Helms was meeting with former SI personal that included close associates Of John J. McCloy and the brother of George D. It was speculated by one from this group that Helms was going to be running an off radar intelligence operation through Helsinki in the upcoming months. Was this the Oswald "defection" into the Soviet Union? Good question but I uncovered this correspondence exactly where my research has led me. 6) Was RFK justified in sending Walker to the loony bin at the Springfield, MO federal penitentiary after Ole Miss? Well Walker, until his death, believed that RFK was instrumental in releasing Oswald after the attempt on Walker's life. I believe that Oswald was involved in the downing of the U-2 aircraft on May 1, 1960 which led to the failure of the Paris Summit scheduled for May 15, 1960, a summit that John J. McCloy did not want a Limited Test Ban Treaty signed at. McCloy got exactly what he wanted! Oswald was very familiar and disturbed by these two incidents and spoke about them at Spring Hill College. I will suggest that Kennedy's success in the Democratic Primary was sealed after the downing of the U-2 and the election would have been won by Nixon if, in May of 1960, Nixon and Eisenhower would have been perceived by the American Public and the world as a whole as being the men Working toward cooperation with the Soviet Union and to a thawing of relations in the Cold War. It is my belief that Kennedy recognized that his election may have been helped by the actions of John J. McCloy and rewarded him by recognizing him in the first paragraph or his very first press conference. RFK may have been well aware of the roll of Walker in the insertion of Oswald into the Soviet Union and how that played into the downing of the U-2 and the Presidential election. If true it is reasonable that RFK would have worked to tarnish Walker's reputation rather that have the possibility of having revealed the true nature of a, perhaps, orchestrated U-2 event that had led to the election of his brother John. Oswald running around in the US may have presented an interesting problem to people such as Richard Helms and others........ 7) Do you still consider Walker to be more of an "American Patriot" or an "American Insurrectioniist?" Just curious. Well he may have been one or the other as you suggest.....but hey, if he wasn't one then was he the other? Interesting question that has led me to research in great deal the whole life of Edwin Walker. And as I said he was a very slippery fellow.......!!!!!!!!

Couple of questions on Walker: 1) What do you make of Jack Ruby's attempt to implicate Edwin A. Walker and the Dallas Birch Society in the JFK hit during Ruby's WC testimony? 2) What do you conclude from Walker's efforts at publishing the "Eagle Forum" as part of Willis A. Carto's racist and anti-Semitic Noontide Press in California? Walker was a part owner as I recall. Have you ever read any of his racist and anti-Semitic diatribes from The Eagle Forum yet? 3) Have you read Dr. Jerry Rose's Third Decade articles on Mary Ferrell's site about "Nut Country" and the meetings at the Jung Hotel in New Orleans run by Edwin A. Walker a week before the assassination? What are your conclusions about these meetings? 4) Exactly whose "orders" do you think Walker was following when he led the "American Insurrection" at Ole Miss when his troops opened fire on National Guardsmen? Have you read the book: "American Insurrection" and do you think Walker was an insurrectionist? 5) What have you concluded about Walker and the sniper shot and "assn attempt" when he lived on Turtle Creek Drive? 6) Was RFK justified in sending Walker to the loony bin at the Springfield, MO federal penitentiary after Ole Miss? 7) Do you still consider Walker to be more of an "American Patriot" or an "American Insurrectionist?" Just curious. Thanks, John Bevilaqua

John, Sorry about that. That is exactly what I did accidentally. You are absolutely correct that the way these citations and quotes are posted by some of our members, it becomes difficult to separate the original author from the subsequent citations or quotes of the original author. I wish all of us would use the braces correctly so that this would not happen. Walker, after being identified by Jack Ruby, as one of the primary organizers of the JFK plot became one of my prime suspects in the JFK hit. Even though he was in New Orleans at the Jung Hotel owned by Harry Augustus Jung, a Draper crony, holding meetings with members of the far right, ostensibly discussing how to handle the quite likely repercussions against the far right, he was as guilty as his other Dallas John Birch cronies, like Morris H. L. Hunt, Warren G Carroll of LifeLine, Charles Edison of YAF and Willoughby as anyone else. As a sidenote, I just went back to Brown University's collection to try and find the LifeLine article by Warren Carroll from 1963 and the entire year 1963 was never entered into the library's collection for some unknown reason. Gordon Hall worked for the FBI in gathering the documents filed in the Hall-Hoag collection which would have cost well over $200,000 in subscription costs between the 1950's and the 1990's to obtain. I found a letter from Gordon Hall to Henry Regnery inquiring as to whether or not Rev. Gerald L K Smith knew his father William Regnery as had been claimed by Rev. Smith. The son denied any such knowledge and pointed out that Smith did not even know his father's middle initial which made it appear as if Smith just waited until the elder Regnery died before claiming a close friendship. In fact, the roles of both William Regnery, a cotton and textiles multi-millionaire like Wickliffe Draper and John B. Snowden who hired George Lincoln Rockwell to work for him in Tennessee with GLK Smith were quite apparent. Regnery started the American First Committee and GLK Smith ran the America First Party which nominated Gen. Douglas MacArthur for President in 1952. These pro-Nazis constantly disavowed knowledge of each other, especially if they wanted to distance themselves from the more rabidly anti-Semitic, vitriolic and violent and pro-Silver Shirt psychos like Smith but worked together very closely regardless. Hall still seemed curious about GLK Smith even in the 1990's when I profiled The Unabomber for him not really knowing he was FBI. About 3-4 weeks after I gave him the justification for publishing the manifesto, it was actually published, and it led to his subsequent exposure and eventual arrest a few weeks after that when his brother turned him in, as I had predicted. I will list this Unabomber case as one of the top ten significant accomplishments of my life and would always like to be remembered as someone who really and truly cared about bringing violent and murderous criminals to justice despite what others may think. I just don't implicate ex-McCarthyites and former MacArthurites because I have some sort of alleged grudge against them, I do it because many of them were really and truly guilty of crimes against humanity, including the murder of JFK, in addition to the things they may have done to my friends and allegedly to some of my family members, although even that has been accurately questioned by those close to those allegations. So my anti-McCarthyite "vendettas" as they have been referred to, were more motivated by a generalized defense of Alger Hiss, The Hollywood Ten, The China Lobby targets and especially JFK himself. The person most responsible for these attacks from 1940 until the 1970's was Robert J. Morris formerly of Mantolocking, New Jersey who was implicated by Richard Condon in The Manchurian Candidate at least a half-dozen times. This guy was a psychopath, and a true paranoid, schizophrenic who should have been "lobotomized" as suggested by Richard Condon. "Lord Morris Croftnol" is a not too veiled anagram for "Lord, frontal Morris" which implies that a "complete frontal lobotomy" would be the only thing that would cure Morris. The Brown Hall-Hoag collection has many examples of right wing objections to their more prominent members being identified by members of the "American Psychiatric Association" as being candidates for lock-up in the "booby hatch" and the "loonie bin" common disparaging terms in the 1950's for mental institutions. Who were those cited the most often? John Birch bosom buddies and their friends like Dr. Revilo P. Oliver, Robert J. Morris, Rev. Gerald L K Smith, Edwin Walker and Charles Willoughby. When you listen to Oliver or Smith in their recorded speeches that is the only conclusion that any reasonable person could reach in my honest opinion. JFK was truly murdered by a coterie of mentally unbalanced paranoid and schizophrenic psychopaths. Hopefully it is no longer possible for people like them to gain positions of power anywhere in the military or the U.S. Government. You can include James J. Angleton in that crowd as well, who might have been the most unbalanced of them all. Ray S. Cline was just an opportunist and a power hungry money-grubber and a devious conniver.

So what is your point here exactly? Do the same thing with YOUR signatures and see how closely they either match or don't match. And how come no one is questioning why Oswald would be setting himself up to receive mail ADDRESSED to The American Civil Liberties Union? THAT is just another amazing item which no one bothered to research, because it apparently does not point in the direction of preferred choice...

SIGNERS NOBEL LAUREATES John Bardeen Felix Bloch Edward A. Doisy Joseph Erlanger William F. Giauque Donald A. Glaser Edward C. Kendall Polykarp Kusch Joshua Lederberg Hermann J. Muller - German Eugenicist and Population Control expert John H. Northrop - perhaps of Northrup Grumman Aviation family (?) Edward M. Purcell Dickinson Richards William Shockley - Pioneer Fund grantee and inventor of the transistor Wendell M. Stanley Harold C. Urey Sehnan A. Walcsman Thomas H. Weller G. H. Whipple BUSINESS ENDORSERS Frank W. Abrams Russell H. Bennett Harry A. Bullis Henry B. Cabot - United Fruit "banana slave plantation owner" Cass Canfield, Sr. Will Clayton Randolph P. Compton Lammot dup. Copeland - du Pont family member who opposed Nye Committee in limiting wartime profiteering John Cowles, Sr. William H. Draper, Jr. - on the United Nations Population Control Commission - attempted to impose involuntary birth control in Africa for decades Marriner S. Eccles Leland Hazard F. Peavey Heffelfinger Hans W. Huber Walter Johnson Thomas S. Lamont - Partner at Draper's J. P. Morgan who financed the Lamont Library at Harvard University and favored eugenics David E. Lilienthal - part of syndicate owning The American Mercury at one time along with Alfred Lilienthal Thomas McCabe (familiar name) Fowler McCormick Hugh Moore - Head of Margaret Sangers Population Control efforts John Nuveen - of the Nuveen Bond Fund empire from Baltimore Charles H. Percy - Senator from Illinois active in Captive Nations Committees Elmo Roper Sidney A. Swensrud The Hon. William H. Vanderbilt - of the Vanderbilt Railroad empire, more sons of robber barons

Here is the link to the Winston-Salem series of articles about Wickliffe Draper, RJR, Eugenics and the Bowman Gray Medical Center at Wake Forest University. The Grays later became involved with US Intelligence agencies and they participated in various aspects of MK/ULTRA Mind Control. See Gordon Gray, Bowman Gray and Boyden Gray. As it turns out the Grays were the mysterious and unnamed "Baltimore based" Eugenics family deeply involved with the JFK Assassination. This reference was hidden in a story about Clendenin J. Ryan and Ulius L. Amoss, both also from Baltimore who were apparently the first persons to utilize MK/ULTRA based training as a weapon against elected or appointed leaders of foreign countries. And Ray S. Cline, through Robert Emmett Johnson, and his contacts in the World Anti-Communist League used MK/ULTRA training in the MLK, RFK and JFK assassinations. Johnson also machine-gunned Archbishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador while he was saying Mass in a cathedral filled with parishoners. What a bunch of swell guys! There is still time to explore the role of Wickliffe Draper in major events of the 20th Century. You remember what Paul Weyrich said about The Pioneer Fund, right? Because of them, the entire history of the 20th Century will someday have to be re-written in order to account for their efforts at affecting, changing and distorting history. The Hidden History of the 20th Century is about to be uncloaked. Stay tuned. http://againsttheirwill.journalnow.com/ Here is more on the Grays, the Bushes, the Drapers and their roles in the use of Mind Control to convince people that smoking was harmless for anyone and everyone. Sort of like the same tactics used against the victims of euthanasia programs by the Nazis at Auschwitz and elsewhere. History will not look too kindly on any attempts to suppress the discussion of these articles and these topics on this forum just because someone involved with this forum had a father who used to work for RJR Tobacco Company. It is no coincidence that MK/ULTRA related "scientists" funded by Draper or otherwise like Dr. Hans J. Ensenck, Dr. William Kloepfer and Dr. H. Warner Kloepfer were involved in BOTH mind control for assassination using bullets and mind control for murder using cigarettes. And it centered mostly around Wickliffe P. Draper of The Pioneer Fund. He also used Mind Control to justify and expedite The Holocaust, McCarthyism, Racism, anti-Semitism, the Cold War, Involuntary Sterilization, the persecution of Sacco and Vanzetti, The Hollywood Ten Blacklisting Campaigns and similar acts against all of humanity. He and his cohorts must be exposed, disrupted, denigrated, degraded, deposed and disenfranchised before it is too late. http://www.breakthematrix.com/Foreign-Poli...-Hitler-Project