David Andrews

Pages 157-164 in the document file Bart posted above contain an interesting variant on Nagell's cryptic letter to "Verdestein"/Arthur Greenstein.

Larry, was there not a face-to-face meeting between Nagell and Garrison in New Orleans?

Russell was close to Nagell, but seems to have never asked. All we know is that Nagell had a tape of Oswald meeting with anti-Castro Cubans and ostensibly discussing the JFKA; the KGB wanted Nagell to kill Oswald; and Nagell wrote about it to Hoover at FBI. What's missing in the Nagell story is Oswald's purposes, which Nagell seems not to have told Jim Garrison, either.

You'll find the second edition a much better read. The unanswered questions though, are who was Oswald and what was his involvement in the assassination? It would be great if Dick Russell took a stand on those issues. Thanks for the new docs, Malcolm and Bart.

Is the following name or pseudonym from Weisberg, chapter 21, useful to anybody researching Farewell America? That book, by the French counterpart of the CIA, known by its initials SDECE and pronounced sih-dick, was masterminded by the French spook who used, among other names, that of Herve Lamarre. His name on the book when it was published is "James Hepburn".

Just caught up with Shane O'Sullivan's documentary RFK Must Die, and the hypnosis session with Dr. Bernard Diamond is full of leading statements reinforcing what Sirhan supposedly said about the assassination before police hypnosis. Persons interested in MKULTRA should also investigate ARTICHOKE, the CIA's programmed assassin effort.

Weisberg has some things to say in chapters 16-18 about Oswald, Garrison and Bringuier that are worth looking at and evaluating, including info about Oswald's military intel connections. Chapters 3-15 are autobiography and pretty much dispensable. I haven't gotten past chapter 18 yet. Scattered around are comments on Mark lane, Gerald Posner, and [an author who is a member here] that would be libelous if Weisberg were alive and this manuscript published.

Bringuier gets the gloves-off treatment in chapter 16 of Harold Weisberg's unpublished manuscript: http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/HW Manuscripts/Inside the Assassination Industry/

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I never much cared for the film, but concepts from it have stayed with me for decades, which says something. It's something Paul Schrader could have written, like Hardcore. Now I have to download this and re-evaluate...

Did I say in another thread that there were some things on the internet that I had to turn my face from in disgust? I can't do it with Crazy Days and Nights, though it more accurately than not portrays Hollywood and politics as cesspits of yielded-to temptations outstripping the depravity of any previous age. The trouble is, CDAN has made itself indispensable reading and reference. Recommended to all, with my deepest shame. The Videodrome* of internet sites. *Prizes to you if you know what I'm referring to. Thanks, Anthony, for the tip(-off).

OK, for Michael and others interested, Lansdale's Mongoose "spreadsheet" is docid-32977054, supplied by DAVID JOSEPHS in the first post of the following thread: My finding of Harvey and McCone objecting to Lansdale's ideas, and Helms diplomatically supporting Lansdale's involvement, was sourced from a DALLAS ACTION PODCAST linked to in my later post on this same recent thread. At the end of the thread, MALCOLM BLUNT and BART KAMP provide additional Lansdale-Mongoose documents. My apologies for a bad memory. This is no country for old men.

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Right, John - but there is an extensive back thread on Landesberg, including whether there were two Steve Landesbergs involved.

That may be a precis of Lansdale's plan, but there's a recent thread with an attachment in which Lansdale's Cuba destabilization plan is worked out over multiple pages in a typed spreadsheet, accompanied by another doc stating Harvey's objections, plus Helms' overruling of Harvey's dump-Lansdale proposal. I posted on that thread, if that can be used as a finding aid. I asked why Helms would cite Lansdale's political patronage as the best reason to keep him on despite complaints. The whole package is something to see.

Larry will no doubt recall, as I do, that there's a recent back thread here with a .pdf of Lansdale's proposal for destabilizing Cuba, together with material quoting interested parties such as William Harvey, who complained that Lansdale's detailed methods were too complicated, and unworkable among the personnel on the ground; and Dick Helms, who advised that Lansdale had to be humored for the present. I think these materials were provided by Bart Kamp, apologies if incorrect. Memory doesn't serve - it rules, and it's a bad ruler sometimes.

Like Cassandra, I direct you to the back threads, where this subject may still have pix of the youthful Landesberg, and his thick head of dark hair.

Sad, coming after the Houston-area Sandra Bland case, which should be thoroughly disgusting to Americans.

FYI, a thread several years ago discussed a JVB claim that she and Oswald communicated through a secret telephone exchange used for horse betting by the Mob. Check back. As for me, I am waiting for the revelation that Judyth Vary Baker was Bobby Baker's sister, and that Oz and LBJ were in communication through the Baker siblings. "You just get me the presidency, and I'll get you your damned honorable discharge!"

Like I said, the MKULTRA thing is so freaky a world that it becomes the abyss that stares into you, even on a Sunday morning. So here's a little Story That Alfred Hitchcock Couldn't Tell On TV, quoted from the wicked stepmother of all gossip sites, Crazy Days and Nights. Following that are some helpful excerpts from the reader comments. Jaws 3-D is probably the first movie cited, since infrared film was made of theater audience reaction, clips of which can be seen in making-of documentaries available on anniversary DVDs of the original Jaws. https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2019/ Today's Blind Items - Project Hedonia - A House On St. Charles Blind Item It all makes sense if you think about it. What was the House On St. Charles known for? As I have recounted here several times, it was designed as the ultimate honey trap house of all time. Maybe Epstein and Maxwell would say otherwise, but St. Charles has always got the most return for its buck. If you will also recall, the owners of the house specifically targeted big name celebrities as part of their push. They wanted control over actors and producers and directors. Why though? They can pay of course and are worried about being caught as much as anyone else, but why them? Why the focus. Remember this is the city where the university covered up their experiments more so than anywhere else. They had the doctor everyone feared the most. They had the doctor who knew more about altering brains, than any other doctor in time. While his experiments and work is now being praised for bringing scientific breakthroughs in cures for certain diseases, one part of his research has not been discussed. It was his research, the hidden research that has caused the government to get into bed so deeply with Hollywood. It is not just about propaganda. It is what he hypothesized during his experiments. What would happen, if you didn't need the actual electrodes hooked to the brain. What if you could do it via some other method. What visual effect closest resembles/mimics what he was doing with electrodes. Was there something? Yes, there was. The thing of it is, everyone who submits to it, does so voluntarily. Back in the very early 80's when things were tough, they had to keep a low profile because of all the hearings and aftermath of the Congressional investigations. It was disguised as a grant paid to the university and it involved using 3-D in movies. This was crude. They were guessing and was not sure what was going to work. They needed a huge 3-D movie they knew would get tens of thousands of people into theatres to see what would work and what wouldn't. It also had to be a film that got people to react several different times during the movie and cause some stress. So many things to test. The government gave a whole bunch of money to get a movie made that really had no reason to be made and then, made it in 3-D. It was exactly what researchers needed, and they set up five theatres in different parts of the country with cameras and measuring devices to see the results of their tests. They also wanted to test it with a completely different kind of film. One which made zero sense to put in 3-D. It was ridiculous and also a really bad movie. To make things interesting, they picked a movie about spies and Russians. They wanted to test reactions in a completely different way. Those were the first two. Since then, they have refined and refined and found which actors work best delivering messages or lines. Funny thing how the actors that perform the best are the ones who were blackmailed. Two A+ list mostly movie actors are at the top of the list. Think the long long long awaited sequels in two separate franchises starring the same A+ list actor and in two very differing formats was a coincidence? It is the same type setup they used over three decades ago. Two total opposites. Posted by ent lawyer at 10:10 AM 23 comments MDAnderson said... Robert Galbraith Heath at Tulane might be the doctor. 10:17 AM E said... Deepfake video as a logical outgrowth of 3D, maybe? 10:42 AM Unknown said... While the blind is good, I'm more interested in the research they are doing. As soon as you mentioned 3D, I got an idea of what was going on. Each hemisphere of the brain is responsible for handling different functions. (both physical and psychological). And the nerves from each eye is fed directly to opposite sides of the brain. With a 3d film/image, each eye is fed a different image. Which means it's theoretically possible to send different psychological triggers to each side of the brain via a subtle manipulation of which images/sounds are sent to each eye/ear. I've thought about this idea in the past, but I was unaware that anyone was doing any serious research on it. 10:43 AM Guesser said... So Jaws 3D as the movie that made sense to do in 3D and to do stress tests. The Man who Wasn't There the film that made no sense to be made 3D. I like the W*** S**** guess for A+actor being blackmailed. I get the mind control aspect,but for what purpose are we assuming? 10:44 AM bumble bee said... There was a Friday the 13th that was 3D. 10:48 AM purpleiris said... http://www.tulanelink.com/mind/tulane_role_04a.htm 10:56 AM DJS NOLA said... It still amazes me more hasnt been investigated about that fire early this year in NOLA . nothing about it made any sense.. and that sh*t burned like it was meant to burn to the ground... also was funny how cars were parked in front of fire hydrants near the house too.. anything to delay the reaction times of the NOFD 11:26 AM Clark Green said... Norman Mayer Building, just off St Charles Ave, housed a See_Eye_Aye program for years. That is my guess for the location of the house. 11:30 AM

I'll be honest with you, W. - if I may call you W. - I don't read a lot about mind control or the MKULTRA program. What I know anecdotally I have gotten from past threads here and on Deep Politics Forum. There was a time when MKULTRA got a lot of coverage on EF, and those threads are worth seeking out for leads to what literature discerning minds prefer. Essentially everything I've absorbed or eschewed I have come into contact with in assassination literature. The earliest-published books on RFK and Sirhan, including RFK Must Die by Robert Kaiser, discuss Sirhan's hypnotized appearance. Threads and books on Mary Pinchot Meyer sideline in Timothy Leary's LSD adventures at Harvard. Probably the seminal work in this area is Donald Bain's The Control of Candy Jones (1976), the story of the fashion model allegedly turned into a hypno-intelligence op and sex slave. Candy Jones and her husband, early conspiracy-paranormal shock-jock Long John Nebel, appear in the EF back threads. Back threads on Frank Olson will also lead you to related literature. I have e-books of Hank Albarelli on Olson, and Stephen Kinzer on Sidney Gottleib, and I haven't been able to crack them because of other reading. I know that the Kinzer book has several indexed mentions of Jolyon West, but I don't know their substance. Some of my ignorance here is sheer avoidance. The possibilities for sensational press at the level of the worst of the internet seem too much to wade through. On the other hand, stories of people whose memories Dr. Donald Cameron erased by strapping them to hospital beds and playing disturbing audio tapes through sensory deprivation helmets, and the idea of children like the fabled Johnny Gosch being programmed into sex slaves for celebrities and politicians, sickens me to consider. I prefer to direct my moral nausea toward topics I've committed to, like 9/11. You, however, may like to pass where I have passed before, through the back threads on EF and DPF, a waxworks where lurk figures like Michael Aquino, and Dr. Jose Rivera, who did a psychedelics-and-hypnosis number on the late Adele Edisen, once a member here. Persons who can be of more help along these lines should feel free to step in here. Some Dr. Donald Cameron for everybody: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1985/07/28/25-years-of-nightmares/cb836420-9c72-4d3c-ae60-70a8f13c4ceb/

Ron, because things aren't weird enough yet...look through the back threads for associations between Sirhan and a Col. Michael Aquino, Army psyops specialist. He got some coverage here a few years ago, and exudes quite a presence in the first several pages on him in Google. Caveat lector as for veracity, but in legend a strange-o for the books.

I, for one, would love to see The Irishman Taco Bell cup! I'll bet it acts better than the guy who plays Captain America. It could have been worse: a few years ago DiCaprio was making noise about filming the Lamar Waldron book.

Seen some of it before. In places it's libelous as all get-out, but worth a skim to sharpen one's own skills in avoiding some of the mistakes and hyperbole authored by researchers (many errors HW found are not in the libelous category.) It's also painfully autobiographical, from HW's pre-WW II days as a young reporter to his late sleep apnea. Unless you have an interest in the Harlan County coal mine war, you can pretty much skip chapters 3-15. Weisberg's Garrison recollections and criticisms begin in chapter 16. Chapter 17 has WC-suppressed info on Oswald's security clearances and military intel background.

From Martin Scorsese says Marvel Movies are 'not cinema' https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/oct/04/martin-scorsese-says-marvel-movies-are-not-cinema 'Marvel head Kevin Feige last year defended his films against the kind of criticism levelled by Scorsese, saying that the series’s lack of major awards was no indication of a lack of quality or ambition. ' “Maybe it’s easy to dismiss VFX or flying people or spaceships or billion dollar grosses,” Feige said. “I think it is easy to say that you have already been awarded in a certain way. [Alfred] Hitchcock never won best director, so it’s very nice, but it doesn’t mean everything. I would much rather be in a room full of engaged fans.” 'Scorsese’s latest film, The Irishman, won rave reviews from its premiere at the New York film festival last weekend, with critics praising the use of “de-ageing” technology.' The reason de-aging technology was necessary is because comic-book movies aren't producing acting talent as valuable as Pacino-De Niro-Pesci. Scorsese went on to say that comic-book films are the equivalent of 'theme parks.' You could turn that on its ear and say that mob shoot-em-ups are, in their way, theme park movies, and that The Irishman is a theme park film set in "Mob-Killed-Kennedy-Land." But the acting realized within this historical genre is superior to that needed for the comic book genre, which has produced no talent greater than the formidable Margot Robbie (who can be explained by not being an American) and Robert Downey, Jr., (who went in already good). Scorsese's being kind to the possibilities of the future by omitting this point. When the cast and director of The Irishman are gone, much will be missed. What are Scorsese's close competitors from the 1980s and 1990s doing in their senior years that's comparable?