David Andrews

I'm afraid Jeffrey Epstein is all the Jay Gatsby we deserve. Socrates and Milhous Nixon Both went the same way -- through the kitchen -- The Clash

Stuart Reed, discussed in the three links below. http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html http://www.prayer-man.com/stuart-reed/#lightbox[group]/8/

Once upon a time, Daniel Sheehan published an article in which he detailed a personal meeting with drug lords in Central America or South America, which meeting was also attended by menacing European Nazis who who were backing the drug lords. Does anyone know a link to this article, or perhaps have copied it from the internet? Thanks.

What's happened to the announced Hollywood technicians' effort to expose the Z-film's omissions and distortions? Been a while.

Interesting article on the religious right power base in America: https://www.salon.com/2019/08/29/how-pat-robertsons-christian-tv-empire-created-a-shadow-government-and-led-to-donald-trump/ And other power bases for Trump: https://www.salon.com/2019/08/29/trump-accidentally-signals-affinity-with-white-nationalists-in-new-campaign-logo/

It mystifies me how Bolden can feel that the anarchic Trump has done anything for Americans comparable to what JFK did, or even LaRouche. As if stirring xxxx up and alienating even his own people were the limits of qualification for the JFK mantle. We might as well have Sacha Baron Cohen in the WH -- he'd be guaranteed a sequel (and birthers).

This was one of the great threads that made me want to be a member. Thanks, Doug. thi

If you want to talk CIA mind-control drugs...Boone's Farm!

I was at Nassau Coliseum on Long Island, at the Blue Oyster Cult and Aerosmith show. The crowd was real rowdy, a lot of firecrackers and a few fights 'n' sh*t. Somebody slipped me some bad 'shrooms on top of the jug of Boone's Farm green apple wine I drank, and the room started to, like, quiver. At first I felt perfection like from outer space, and made a lot of happiness noises. Then I couldn't hold it down anymore, and had to bolt for the head in the middle of "Don't Fear the Reaper." So I'm bent over, talkin' to Ralph with the stall door open, when some douche lets off a nuclear bomb in the Coliseum, blowing all the clothes clean off my back. Now I have no hair on my butt, and I can't have kids, but damn if that wasn't the best concert ever, even though it got called before Aerosmith's encore because them three dudes all got killed the same night. Bummer for them.

In case you haven't seen this thread: https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?16991-Zodiac-Killer-was-a-Member-of-the-International-White-Guard&p=125978#post125978 It's useful to search DPF and EF for past Manson threads that can lead you to forums. See this site for forum links - see bottom of page: http://www.cielodrive.com/index.php Sorry - I don't follow Manson stuff constantly, it's just the O'Neill book and other emerging news that revives my interest. There's this: http://mansonmurders.proboards.com/ There's this blog, not a forum. The guy really pushes legal and moral boundaries in dealing with the Tate family and others, but there may be some truths here: http://tatelabianca.blogspot.com/2012/08/i-have-little-system-of-my-own.html

"Wait, I do too know! I was in a disco, dancing to KC & the Sunshine Band!"

This means...he doesn't know where he was when he heard the news!

I stand corrected.

Charles Groden played the Doctor in the Satanic Thriller by Robert Altman (the Cotton Club Murders 1983) What kind of Bizarro World filmography is this? Charles Grodin, early in his career, had a small part as a doctor who disbelieves Rosemary's Satanic cult story in Rosemary's Baby. Robert Altman never directed a movie called The Cotton Club Murders (1983). Francis Ford Coppola directed The Cotton Club, released 1984. Drug dealing and financial chicanery surrounding the making led to the incident below. The famous Cotton Club Murder, singular, of producer Roy Radin, took place in 1983. It has never been the subject of a feature film, only TV documentaries.

Delete -- requires further investigation.

8 The enablers are going to pay. Fast forward to 2021 Congressional hearings- Adam Schiff questioning Hogan Gidley, Sarah Sanders, Mick Mulvaney, Dr Ronny during Congressional hearings “You may think it’s OK to help someone w/ dementia play make believe president….But I don’t." How would this play out differently than the Reagan dementia? One way might involve Trump being used to past autonomy and unused to political form, while Reagan had the behavioral embeds of an actor and corporate pitchman, plus previous SAG leadership and gubernatorial experience, to fall back on.

For circumstances showing pre=planning of the attack, see William Weston's post #16 at DPF's Manson thread: https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?16991-Zodiac-Killer-was-a-Member-of-the-International-White-Guard&p=125978#post125978

No-ooo! You moved it! My precious!

Ghislane's behind the dirty duo at 1:06 and after, but apparently not working.

Michael, I forgot to say - thanks for the heads-up about the restored 9/11 book box. https://www.krusch.com/books/911/

Speaking of whether Cielo Drive was an intel or military op, let's talk footwear. The catalog below is drawn from various accounts. Susan Atkins allegedly left the print of a bare foot in blood, shoeless because of a foot infection. (Can this history get any more gross?) Susan, Patty and Linda allegedly skirted the security gate, entering and exiting the property by climbing a brushy, overgrown hillside. Was this also barefoot, as is said? Tex Watson is said to have worn cowboy boots. Did he climb a wooden utility pole in those to cut the phone wire? The wire was connected to the pole at perhaps two stories high. What's the definitive footwear catalog for Cielo Drive? Any army boots? Some accounts have Manson and Watson visiting Cielo Drive with Melcher, and Manson showing Watson which was the phone wire. Do we give this credit? Did Watson recognize the phone wire when he was up the pole in the dark, on drugs? Phone pole pic: http://cielodrive.com/photo-archive/10050-cielo-drive-telephone-line.php This pole is inside the 10050 Cielo property and services the house. The one in the BG is outside the gate and services this pole plus houses below 10050. Note lack of climbing rungs on the in-property pole, which Watson would have climbed. Gate pic: http://cielodrive.com/photo-archive/10050-cielo-drive-gate.php Atkins' footprint: http://cielodrive.com/photo-archive/susan-atkins-bloody-footprint.php

Jim, I was responding to Cliff's second sentence, Of all of the millions of people this plot could have targeted in order to discredit the "counter-culture" they picked on one of their own? That's why I wrote, I am unsure of my support of the intel op theory, but I am sure that intel agencies, as well as the military, have[,] past a certain, and low, bar[,] no regard for the lives of their operatives or their families. Now, those of us who are unsure Cielo Drive was an intel or military op are in the wicked position of doubting Mae Brussell's suspicions.

Cliff, below is my corrected original statement. I see that I omitted punctuation, now corrected in brackets, and that because i was posting fast, the sentence is syntactically difficult: I am sure that intel agencies, as well as the military, have[,] past a certain, and low, bar[,] no regard for the lives of their operatives or their families. As I said, "operatives or their families." Sabow was bludgeoned in the family backyard, on a military base, and discovered by his wife and neighbor. This makes you wish there were more heart attack needles to go around.

Phillip Marshall and family (former Contra War pilot and 9/11 investigator)) David Crowley and family (former military turned CT filmmaker) Col. James Sabow (individual, serving military, drug shipments whistleblower))

I am unsure of my support of the intel op theory, but I am sure that intel agencies, as well as the military, have[,] past a certain, and low, bar[,] no regard for the lives of their operatives or their families.