David Andrews

It's interesting that after his first neck wounding, which was never defined as an attack or a suicide attempt, there seemed to be a press blackout until the event today.

Does this ever really happen? "What if they don't print it?" -- Cliff Robertson to Robert Redford, last line of Three Days of the Condor.

Let Us Now Praise Famous Men. On a beach in the South Pacific, with Timothy McVeigh and Ken Lay of Enron?

Here's some paranoia for us: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/10/jeffrey-epstein-dead-prison-report-latest Epstein dead. While on suicide watch. Wait -- move to Conspiracy Theory Threat thread? ‘If you or someone you know is considering suicide, please contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-TALK(8255), text "help" to the Crisis Text Line at 741-741 or go to suicidepreventionlifeline.org.‘

Is that this? https://apjjf.org/2012/10/12/Peter-Dale-Scott/3723/article.html Wondering if this bit applies to Trump's anti-Mexican propaganda and implied encouragement to other racism: Terror war in its global context should perhaps be seen as the latest stage of the age-long secular spread of transurban civilization into areas of mostly rural resistance -- areas where conventional forms of warfare, for either geographic or cultural reasons, prove inconclusive. Blast 'em with the paranoia ray in Dayton!

Linguistically, you could define paranoia as knowledge that stands beside/apart from standard knowledge, so a kind of occulted knowledge. Which, of course, might make some people feel threatened for knowing...

Thanks. It's difficult to imagine that ideology, and not money, is the motivator for actions such as PNAC's. But, as the wicked senator tells Michael on this topic in Godfather II, "Some people have to play their little games." I shouldn't be surprised - it was this way in the Cold War also.

Is it possible that Garrison's deal with this publisher was to write both the questions and the answers for verbatim publication, or to at least answer their written questions in writing? The typescript has a certain well-rehearsed, formal air about it.

One useful consideration is Garrison's point on how a covert op is not structured to be tried in a court of law - something one would think would be noticed through several Senate and House investigations, and somehow remedied, even to a degree. The proof of the pudding is the Watergate hearings. I understand these weren't in themselves court proceedings - but nowhere else in the last decades did you hear so much under-oath confession, being that it was all orchestrated toward a political end. That Senate chamber was like a confession box compared to the days of HUAC and McCarthy,

The very concept of not seeing God, or only His hinder parts, is Old Testament in origin. Mustn't confuse distrust of Zionism with anti-Semitism. We see the Devil every day, but we must not see him in everyone. Then the Devil wins, and afterward throws away your soul among many others in some Native American casino in Hell.

Who in the Clinton admin were under the PNAC influence? Who in the military and the intelligence community in the Clinton years were influenced? Are direct money transactions involved in becoming so philosophically influential?

The same dual aspect scenario can be applied to the JFK assassination. I believe that's implicit in Anthony's reasoning.

Thank you very much, Anthony. Let me process all this -- a lot of the works cited in the quoted article are books I've read. It's good to see some pieces of the story synthesized.

Wait -- why hasn't anybody seen God?

Before we all take Paul's and Larry's cues and go back to the Gladio origins of this thread, let me leave this announcement, and an opinion. Because we have no continuing 9/11 forum here to speak of. Announcement: I would be very interested in speaking privately with anyone seriously studying former FBI agent John O'Neill. Among my areas of interest are: O'Neill's involvement in the OKC bombing investigation O'Neill's involvement in the TWA 800 investigation O'Neill's interaction with CIA O'Neill's interaction with the NSC .O'Neill's personal finances and their sources. Please PM me here. If the box is full, leave a message on this thread or another thread where I post. Opinion: O'Neill could have stayed at the Bureau and risen to the head of the New York office position he coveted, and we would still have seen 9/11.

This just in, from the geniuses at Slate: https://slate.com/culture/2019/08/the-irishman-scorsese-netflix-movie-true-story-lies.html

This is off-topic, but I'm curious to what readers with experience in the Global Research site (see Doug's link in first post) make of the agenda of the site and its potential sponsorship. This is more in line with its 9/11 content than its Kennedy content. PM me, please, and alert me if my box is full.

Not a direct answer to Paul's post, nor a direct question to him: If Oswald, or an "Oswald," actually met with Kostikov, and performed the antics of brandishing a pistol, etc., as Kostikov and his witnesses later said on film that he did -- were these histrionics an attempt to stop the American plot, or at least get Oswald/"Oswald" removed from it? Was this the equivalent of Richard Case Nagell shooting a hole in a bank wall in El Paso? Yet this Oswald-pistol legend brings up other issues: Would Oswald/"Oswald" be incautious enough to smuggle a pistol into Mexico? And, if he wanted out, why not let himself get caught with the pistol at the US border? A possible conclusion was that Oswald/"Oswald" was ordered to play those histrionics with the pistol in front of Kostikov. But why?

An unfortunate blind item found on Crazy Days and Nights, the notorious Hollywood blind item site that is so frequently right, and so frequently indicts Hollywood sexual harassment and pedophilia (which are not what this is item is about): Blind Item #4 This long-delayed film directed by an aging permanent A list director will finally premiere in about two months. Three aging A-list actors are featured in starring roles. This group is so far past their prime, that even the concept of a big-budget film in this genre today would be laughable. That is, to everyone except the streaming giant. Yet another colossal waste of money, but the streaming service has already sent signals out that they will spare no expense, legal or not, to try and buy as many awards as possible, for this white elephant of a film. https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2019/

It's not the real Irishman background doc, but is worth seeing for documenting the milieu. Sidebar discussion: Teamsters Union and drug importation.

This purports to be the official Netflix documentary on the historical background of The Irishman. The period film and stills are good, but this can't help but incite disagreement:

Limited theatrical release by December to qualify the film for Oscars. It's complicated by the politics of theater chains that frown on Netflix films and other made-for-home-distribution films using limited theater runs for this purpose, while simultaneously making them available on home services.

And how about this one about QT: This is a country steeped in bloodshed and built on resentment, and movies, notwithstanding the romantic notion of audiences bonding in the dark, have sometimes worked to sharpen the appetite for both. If somebody else said it in a different context. we'd have to agree. So why complain. Leaving all of Manson's influences and protections aside - some of these are in the O'Neill book - Manson in Hollywood was nothing but resentment for people with record contracts and houses in Laurel Canyon or Benedict Canyon, or even bourgeois houses in Los Feliz, like the LaBiancas'. Houses "steeped in bloodshed" were the result.

That would be an awful lot of trouble at Slate for two hours of one's time, and a $10 ticket price. The article's take on the violence theme in the film is convincing - in the article. If QT had played it a hair sharper, the film would be more convincing along that line. Or would doing that have been "too much on the nose"?

An interesting take on our Film of the Lunar Month: https://slate.com/culture/2019/08/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-ending-tarantino-violence.html