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and that the alteratationists, who simply believe without a single shred of proof that there was a wide limo turn, are profoundly wrong.
So Duncan, Roy Truly in your opinion isnt worth a shred?
Did Truly lie? Do you believe him on anything else that day (Like seeing Oswald in Lunchroom with Baker)?
Or did he just lie about the Limo?
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Dean,
On pg. 92 of "National Nightmare" is a frame from Darnell, that looks similar to this one.
Kathy
Awesome Kathy! I grabbed my copy of "National Nightmare" and turned to page 92 and the picture hit me like a sledgehammer
I was wrong
Sorry guys, carry on
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Im not saying its not real footage, but just watch JFK and when the scene with Sitzman comes up it looks just like the one where Vince D'onofrio is playing Bill Newman and being interviewed in Dealey Plaza
Its looks to me like Stone shot that for his movie making it look like a real old interview
I have been right about another photo that members thought was real showing a policeman running across Elm with Babushka and others in the picture. It was not a real photo but a frame taken from JFK
From memory the Sitzman frame came from Grodens JFK: The Case for Conspiracy: DVD
Thanks Robin, I have Grodens "JFK: The Case for Conspiracy" on DVD and will watch it tomorrow when I have time and will look for it
Edit: I have to add that both of Grodens DVDs (JFK: The Case for Conspiracy and The Assassination Films) are both my two favorite DVDs/VHS on the assassination. If you have not watched "JFK: The Case for Conspiracy" you need to buy it on DVD from Amazon or Ebay no matter what the price, it is an amazing program.
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Robin, do you know who shot this footage?
I think the persons name was Oliver Stone
Dean,
I think I gave you a reference to Trask's book "Pictures of the pain" ... it was not Oliver Stone, but if it helps you in some way to think like that ... its fine by me.
Bill
Bill I just looked at the index of POTP and went to every page with Sitzman on it and did a quick flip through the entire book and did not see the picture.
Do you remember what section or what page it was on?
Again I could be wrong, im not saying im correct, I just dont remember this picture or frame if its from a film.
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Im not saying its not real footage, but just watch JFK and when the scene with Sitzman comes up it looks just like the one where Vince D'onofrio is playing Bill Newman and being interviewed in Dealey Plaza
Its looks to me like Stone shot that for his movie making it look like a real old interview
I have been right about another photo that members thought was real showing a policeman running across Elm with Babushka and others in the picture. It was not a real photo but a frame taken from JFK
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Bill all you can see is the back of "Sitzmans" head in that picture
How does that image "shoot the hell out of Sitzman not being the woman on the Pedestal with Zapruder" ?
Two things, Dean ... the Photographic records from Zapruder first filming Sitzman turning to his camera through to the interview caption seen here shows only one woman in and around the plaza who dressed and looked like Sitzman, but when you come up with another one in the same photo record ... please let me know.
And for the record /// do you really believe that Zapruder, Sitzman, the Hester's, and any one else who saw Zapruder and Sitzman on the pedestal have entered into a cover-up to cover for stand-ins?
Bill
Personally Bill, I think Zappy and Sitzman were on the pedestal, I think Zappy shot film, I think that was used with the "other" film to create what we know today as the Z-film
I just get tired of my fellow alterationists being made fun of and called out on the Zappy/Sitzman issue in regards to being clearly seen in any film or photos during the assassination.
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Robin, do you know who shot this footage?
I think the persons name was Oliver Stone
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Large Scan.
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Sitzman seen in Skaggs & Sitzman being interviewed while standing at the pedestal
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I guess these images shoots the hell out of Sitzman not being the woman on the Pedestal with Zapruder .... unless someone wants to run with the plot that Sitzman and others agreed to let impostors stand-in for them only to return to the pedestal to do the interviews.
It's good to have an open mind, but not so open that one's brains fall out of their head.
Bill
Bill all you can see is the back of "Sitzmans" head in that picture
How does that image "shoot the hell out of Sitzman not being the woman on the Pedestal with Zapruder" ?
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THE Z FILM IS AN EDITED VERSION OF THE "OTHER FILM".
I agree with Jack, what Jack just said is the key
I agree, provided there isn't an alternate edit of the "other film."
Has anybody, including Rich DellaRosa, reported seeing the limo turn in an alternate version?
Yes Rich said the Limo turn was in the "other" film.
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THE Z FILM IS AN EDITED VERSION OF THE "OTHER FILM".
I agree with Jack, what Jack just said is the key
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Toni Foster.
For some reason the car stopped, it did stop for some seconds
Boomshakalaka
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But I do know that when you promote the theory that the Zapruder film is a fabrication, you damage the cause of honest researchers in two ways. First, you make us look like idiots to the world and especially better educated people.
Your a funny guy Bob, please humor me some more
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Bob, are you calling me a Lone Nutter?
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Robert dropping the F-bomb! Learn to control yourself Harris.
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Duncan's point is correct even though I wouldn't want to guess just where Nellie's eyes are focused at any given time. Human's most usually see a wider field of view than their cameras ... depending on their zoom setting. Moorman's number 5 Polaroid comes to mind. Mary had a wide field of view. With Nellie's head turned to her immediate right as Duncan points out ... I think anyone doing the same would be forced to admit that they could have seen either mans (JC or JFK) movements. I invite anyone to sit in a chair and test the view for themselves.
Bill Miller
Here is a superior copy of Zapruder frame 238 which clearly shows Nellie looking at JFK.
Robert should take off his Lone Ranger mask before studying film and photographs. ( Click To Enlarge )
Nice frame!
Nellie looking right at JFK
Cant wait to see how Robert will tell everyone she cant see JFK
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And Robert Harris has stated that I and other alterationists are crazy
How can you say we are crazy when you can see the limo turn taken out of the Z-film with your own eyes Robert?
How can you push crazy theories like a shot at Z285 yet call an alterationist like myself crazy?
Interesting remark ... start a thread on that one ... I'd like to hear why you say that.
Bill
What part?
Robert calling me crazy or the Limo turn being taken out?
I do not want to start another thread on Harris
We have debated the limo turn (It either being taken out or Zappy stopping and then starting filming again) in an older thread, I will try to find it and give it a bump
Hmm.. I don't remember actually saying you were crazy. I remember thinking it though
You think up alot of things that make no sense
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And Robert Harris has stated that I and other alterationists are crazy
How can you say we are crazy when you can see the limo turn taken out of the Z-film with your own eyes Robert?
How can you push crazy theories like a shot at Z285 yet call an alterationist like myself crazy?
Interesting remark ... start a thread on that one ... I'd like to hear why you say that.
Bill
What part?
Robert calling me crazy or the Limo turn being taken out?
I do not want to start another thread on Harris
We have debated the limo turn (It either being taken out or Zappy stopping and then starting filming again) in an older thread, I will try to find it and give it a bump
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And Robert Harris has stated that I and other alterationists are crazy
How can you say we are crazy when you can see the limo turn taken out of the Z-film with your own eyes Robert?
How can you push crazy theories like a shot at Z285 yet call an alterationist like myself crazy?
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"Both Mrs. Connally and Mrs. Kennedy thought that the shot at 285 hit their respective husbands"
Robert Harris
What a load of nonsense. You are making things up yet again.
This just gets funnier and funnier with each new post that you make.
Please provide the citation where Mrs Connally and Mrs Kennedy said that a shot at 285 hit their respective husbands.
I won't hold my breath waiting for something that you will never able to provide.
Why would you say something like that Robert?
Come on! Enough of this garbage already!
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An AFL team won Super Bowl IV too
And just what team could that have been?
Oh thats right....My Chiefs!
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I love the newspaper "Starting Pitcher.....YOU SUCKA!"
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Its Lovelady, no matter how many times you look at it, its Lovelady
Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunchroom at that very moment
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Are you having "fun" in a jobless and dead society?...
Yes I am!
My Oakland Raiders just won an over-time thriller over the hated KC Chiefs (condolences, Dean) 23-20, my baseball team won the World Series a few days ago, I live in a rent-controlled two bedroom apartment in the Haight-Ashbury and when you throw in my garage, my secure parking spot, the utilities and my high-speed internet my monthly nut is in the high three figures.
Tambien: the Lady of my life loves me, I have my health, and my bedbugstreatmentguide.com website is blowing up today. If the latter keeps up I won't have to go back to work.
Oh yeah! Life is good!
What a great game!
My team lost and I feel like complete garbage
But at least my team and Cliffs team are on top of the AFC West!
About time both teams stepped up above the Broncos and Chargers
Robert Harris's Broken 3rd Floor Daltex Window Theory Blown Out Of The Water
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Duncan your descriptions of Harris' theories and assassins are awesome