David Von Pein

No kidding. Just ask Don Adams. He's got eleven shots being fired from God knows how many guns. And Bob Groden is almost as bad. Bob has 8 to 10 shots being fired from at least 3 or 4 locations. I think a better question for the conspiracy theorists who think LHO was set up and framed as a lone patsy would be: WHY would any of the conspirators have even WANTED to risk the whole "patsy" ballgame by utilizing two, three, or four gunmen in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63?

Oh, I see that the chronic xxxx named Roger Craig has you hypnotized, eh? Can't you see the idiocy of Craig's statement about the shells being only about an inch apart and all pointing the same direction? Who would even WANT to plant shells in such an obvious "THESE SHELLS WERE PLACED HERE, THEY DIDN'T FALL THIS WAY ON THEIR OWN AFTER BEING FIRED FROM RIFLE C2766" fashion? Just how stupid were those patsy-framers anyway? I'd really like to know. Let's take a quick "How Stupid Were These Plotters?" inventory: They supposedly planted a bullet on the WRONG stretcher at Parkland (per some CTers). They planted shells in the Sniper's Nest in such a manner to make it look like they were placed there by hand (per some CTers). They wait until Sunday, Nov. 24th to shoot Lee Oswald, so that their "hit man" named Ruby could perform the murder on live television in front of millions of people. They allow their one and only patsy to wander around on the lower floors of the Book Depository at the exact time they desperately need him upstairs on the sixth floor firing a gun at the President. (This one is momumentally stupid on the part of the unknown and unseen "they".) They go to the immense trouble of impersonating LHO all over God's Creation PRIOR to Nov. 22, and they take the time to "fake" the backyard photos (and then they got Marina to lie about them by getting her to say for the rest of her life that she, herself, took those pictures of her late husband) -- and yet when Game Day (11/22) rolls around, what do "they" do? --- They start popping away at JFK from several different directions in Dealey Plaza, even though they are supposed to be framing just ONE guy in the TSBD. These bumbling patsy-framers must have all attended "Idiots 'R Us University" before commencing their Let's Frame Oswald project. If it's the testimony of a known xxxx such as Roger Dean Craig, then no. As far as the JFK murder case goes, there was no bigger and more blatant PROVABLE xxxx than Roger D. Craig. No question about that fact. And anyone who places a single ounce of faith in anything that xxxx says in connection with the JFK assassination is nothing but a fool.

Oh, naturally. If you didn't die, you must have lied. Right, David Andrews? Hilarious.

The above is merely more reprehensible tripe and garbage coming from someone who obviously wants there to be some kind of a conspiracy and cover-up surrounding the assassination of the 35th U.S. Chief Executive. Pathetic.

Why is it even necessary to go beyond what I just said above? To believe that LBJ had JFK killed is a nutty idea. Always was nutty. Always will be.

Total nonsense. This crap about LBJ being involved is nothing but delusional claptrap.

But what about the potential bullets and fragments in John Connally's body? Connally didn't die, and therefore could not be subjected to any kind of "rigged" or phony autopsy (which is what CTers think happened with JFK's autopsy). So did the plotters of this grandiose "REMOVE ALL BULLETS AND IDENTIFIABLE FRAGMENTS FROM THE WOUNDS BEFORE THE OFFICIAL AUTOPSY" scheme just get lucky when no bullets or large, identifiable fragments were recovered from the wounds of Governor Connally at Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas? Conspiracy theorists sound so incredibly silly when they start talking about the physical evidence in the JFK case. And what makes it so incredibly silly, of course, is the fact that none of this stupid crap they think happened with the bullet evidence ever really happened at all. Nor COULD it possibly have happened--unless all of the plotters and conspirators had the same talents and abilities as magician David Copperfield.

This shows what Michael Hogan's mindset is -- he's saying that not even "valid evidence" and "solid evidence" are good enough to provide "solid proof" of something in the JFK case. A curious mindset indeed.

You'd better go tell Jim DiEugenio that he's got things all wrong re CE399 then. Because people like DiEugenio believe that there was no bullet planted at Parkland at all. Jimbo (and many others like him) think that a pointy-nosed bullet was found on Ronnie Fuller's stretcher at Parkland. (And what kind of idiot bullet-planter would want to frame OSWALD with a bullet that could never be tied to his gun?) Therefore, that "pointy" bullet had no connection to the JFK/Connally case at all, per many CTers. It was a totally unrelated bullet. But people like Jimbo think that Hoover's FBI boys decided they wanted to "switch" the bullets, and so CE399 came into the mix. I guess the thinking among the CTers is that the FBI never thought that the bullet might not have been connected to the Kennedy case at all, and they had to (at all costs) frame Oswald with as much evidence as humanly possible; so CE399 was placed into the record. Of course, just exactly WHEN the evil FBI performed this switch-out of the bullets is not known and is never defined by the CTers. The FBI wasn't even in the possession of Oswald's rifle until around midnight on Nov. 22....and since DiEugenio thinks there were TWO separate bullets handed over to Robert Frazier of the FBI BEFORE midnight (at 7:30 and 8:50 PM EST), I assume that Jimbo assumes that one of those bullets was, indeed, CE399. But that scenario I just described is totally impossible, since Rifle C2766 wasn't in the hands of the always-evil Federal Bureau of Investigation until 11:45 PM CST on November 22nd. And it took a few hours to fly the rifle back to Washington too. So, logically, this would mean that the very earliest the big bad FBI could have started planting bullets from Oswald's rifle into the official record would be about 3:00 or 4:00 AM EST on Sat., Nov. 23rd. No worries, though. People like DiEugenio can always make up some kind of theory they think will bolster their claims of Government wrong-doing and evidence-planting.

The mere fact that CE399 is a bullet that came out of the SAME WEAPON that produced CE567, CE569, and the three bullet shells found on the floor under the Sniper's Nest window is solid evidence that CE399, which WAS entered as OFFICIAL evidence in the JFK case whether any conspiracy theorist likes it or not, is also a valid piece of evidence in this case. I guess Michael Hogan thinks it's very likely that the evil conspirators would have had a desire to want to start "planting" or "substituting" CE399 in order to frame Oswald, even though those plotters should have already known they had the three shells in the Sniper's Nest and CE567/569 to link to their prized patsy named Oswald. Or are the 3 shells and the 2 limo fragments supposedly all "faked" evidence too, Michael? And if the CTers want to start pretending that the 3 shells and CE567/569 ARE faked pieces of evidence, then my other question is still really just as valid as it is via the scenario which has the 3 shells and the limo fragments being legitimate evidence -- Why the need to fake the stretcher bullet too? Or weren't the "fakers" of CE399 aware that OTHER evidence was going to show up to implicate their patsy (whether it be "faked" or legit evidence)? Maybe the CTers ought to check up on how many plotters were supposedly manipulating the evidence on November 22, because it doesn't seem like the left hand knows what the right hand is doing.

1.) Three bullet shells found under TSBD window from where assassin was firing at JFK -- Linked to Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons. 2.) CE567 & CE569 (the two bullet fragments found right inside the President's limousine) -- Linked to Oswald's rifle "to the exclusion". 3.) CE399 -- Bullet fired from Oswald's rifle "to the exclusion". Since #1 and #2 exist in the JFK case (and there hasn't been a single conspiracy theorist who has ever proven that either #1 or #2 were "planted" or falsified in some manner), then the likelihood of #3 (CE399) being a "fake" or "planted" or "substituted" piece of evidence is substantially diminished. IOW -- Why on Earth was there any NEED to fake CE399 when the #1 and #2 items on my list above existed as evidence in the JFK murder case also? The CTers who continue to bitch and moan about the legitimacy of CE399 are living in a dream world. There has never ever been any solid proof that Commission Exhibit No. 399 is anything but what it was purported to be by both the Warren Commission and the HSCA -- and that is a bullet that was fired by Lee Harvey Oswald on 11/22/63, which was one of three bullets LHO fired from his own Carcano rifle at JFK's car on Elm Street. WAS CE399 PLANTED? (PART 1)

Try this webpage (via Robin Unger's collection): http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=21

A DON ADAMS FOLLOW-UP: On August 20, 2010, I made the following comments about Don Adams: "Adams tells all kinds of falsehoods [during a July 28, 2010, interview on WTAM-Radio in Cleveland, Ohio], such as the howler about how Oswald would have had to criss-cross the Book Depository building a total of THREE different times in order to get from the sixth-floor "loft" (as Adams calls it) to the second-floor "break room" (as Adams calls the lunchroom)! Adams actually seems to think that Oswald had to cross the entire length of the building THREE times--once to hide the rifle; then another criss-cross to get to the stairs (totally untrue); and then a third crossing of the building in order to reach the lunchroom (also a lie). This guy doesn't know the most basic facts about the assassination or Oswald's movements." -- DVP; 08/20/10 [original post HERE] Ten days later, on August 30, 2010, Adams was a guest on James Fetzer's "Real Deal" Internet radio program [http://RadioFetzer.blogspot.com]. The lengthy segment with Adams is linked HERE. During the Fetzer broadcast, Mr. Adams talked briefly about a person who was criticizing him for saying that Oswald would have needed to cross the TSBD building three separate times prior to LHO's encounter with Officer Marrion L. Baker. And although Adams didn't mention me by name, I know he was referring to me and my Internet comments quoted above. Adams, on the Fetzer program, claims he never said any such thing about Oswald's criss-crossing movements during the WTAM show in July. Well, the proof is in the pudding, as they say. Or, in this instance, the proof is in the podcast, which I've linked below. Unfortunately, since I wrote my original post about this matter on August 20th, Mr. Adams has removed from his website the audio links to his 5-part July interview on WTAM-Radio, so you can't find them on Adams' homepage any longer [http://adamsjfk.com/Home.html] -- at least not as of today's date of September 13, 2010. But Adams' WTAM interview is not lost entirely. I found that it is still available (as of today anyway) at the WTAM website, which enabled me to prove that I was correct and Don Adams was wrong regarding this topic about Oswald criss-crossing the Book Depository. This issue isn't important at all in the grand scheme of things, of course, but I just wanted to clarify the record (mainly for my own archived collection of Internet articles and posts). And the record can, indeed, be clarified by going to approximately the halfway mark in the MP3 audio file linked below, which is where conspiracy theorist Don Adams can be heard saying this: "When we talk about Oswald doing the shooting, at the loft [the Sniper's Nest on the sixth floor of the TSBD], he would have ran from the loft after he did the shooting, he ran to the front of the building [it was actually the back of the building, further illustrating that Adams doesn't know what he's talking about] and he hid the weapon in a bunch of cardboard boxes. He then ran across the building and went down four flights of stairs, and then ran across the building to the break room." -- Donald A. Adams; July 28, 2010 Adams also says in the podcast below that he thinks there were "11 shots fired in Dallas" at President Kennedy. Now, if that statement isn't enough to make all reasonable and rational people roll their eyes, then I don't know what would be. DON ADAMS' INTERVIEW FROM JULY 28, 2010 David Von Pein September 13, 2010

That fellow looks a lot more like LHO than this "Tippit killer", who not only looks nothing like Oswald, but is also way over 6 feet tall (Files is 5-11). This picture is from Wim Dankbaar's site:

Hi Joseph, I'm by no means an expert in this area of transferring media to digital formats, but I've learned a few things in just the last couple of years that have enabled me to put a whole bunch of videos on the Internet (and my computer hard drive) that were previously stuck on VHS tapes. I purchased a regular Panasonic "Combo" machine with VHS-to-DVD recording capability to transfer my VHS tapes to DVD (as long as the VHS isn't copy-protected you can achieve this). HERE is the unit I bought. And I'm still using it today. It has worked very well for me. But it's not in stock anymore. HERE is a Panasonic VHS/DVD model for sale now at Amazon.com. Some people don't like Panasonic. But I've had very few problems with their products. I always go with Panasonic if possible. Also: Joseph, if you want a machine to merely transfer stuff from VHS to DVD, then you don't need the built-in TV tuner that a lot (or most?) of DVD recorders contain. My machine is tunerless, which is fine by me, because I don't use the unit to record anything off the airwaves anyway. Maybe your needs are similar. Blank DVD-R (recordable) discs are very cheap these days. I buy them on the 100-disc spools, like this TDK 100-pack. Those TDKs are excellent discs. I've never had a bad one yet. After transferring the video material onto DVD-R media, you then need to take the video off of the disc and put it on your computer hard drive (if you want to put it on the Internet, like at YouTube for example). The "VOB" files on the DVD-R can easily be imported and manipulated a number of ways via a video editor, such as this one made by Corel (it's the one I use; I like it best, because I think there are fewer glitches and "hiccups" with the Corel Video Studio, as opposed to the other one I have used--Adobe Premiere Elements 2.0, which has a problem with audio syncing--at least the Adobe version I was using two years ago had that problem, which means a whole lot of extra work to match the audio with the video once again, which sucks big-time). The Corel Video Studio can do just about everything to the imported digital files -- like edit and trim the files, add effects, and change it into various digital formats (like WMV, FLV, MPEG, etc.). But I only use Corel for actually moving my video files from DVD-R to a computer-friendly format (I always use WMV -- Windows Media Video). I would probably recommend using the Corel Studio to edit and trim your video files too. Corel and video software similar to it are very likely a lot more sophisticated (with more bells and whistles) than the editor I use to actually trim and edit my video files. But I am happy with the job that Windows Movie Maker has done for my files. It's got everything I need to add titles and certain special effects, etc. But Corel is undoubtedly a "higher end" video editor. Windows Movie Maker is the video editor that comes with everyone's Windows platform software. So it's already on your computer if you use Windows. As for transferring audio tapes to digital formats like MP3, WMA, and WAV -- I've looked into that a little bit (but not much) in the last few years. The Windows platform does have a tool for performing that function, but it requires additional software to be installed on your computer, which I just have never done (as yet). I have a bunch of old baseball radio broadcasts from the 1970s on audiotape that I've been wanting to transfer into a digital format, but I have not got around to installing the proper equipment to do it. You can also outsource your old audio cassettes to people around the USA who will perform such digital transferring for you. You mail them the tapes, they'll transfer them to MP3, and then mail them back. HERE is a link to one such company which performs such a service. For more info on transferring audio to MP3, here are a bunch of webpages resulting from a basic Google search.

David "Gird Them Loins" Healy....I love ya, man. Who wouldn't love a guy who keeps calling you "Studley" and "hon"? (The "hon" thing gets a little creepy after the hundredth time, but you get used to Healy's oddball behavior after a while.) Healy and Dean-o must be soulmates: "You got the right ta-ta, but the wrong ho-ho." To get it back on the "Posner" track: http://Case--Closed.blogspot.com

Reminds me of Mark Lane, who joined this forum on March 30, 2010, and made the following statement in his one and only post (to date) on March 31st, 2010, but has not followed up with so much as a single message since posting this: "I will, of course, respond on this forum to questions or observations about Rush To Judgment, Plausible Denial and the fiction work of Vincent Bugliosi who apparently still believes that the world is flat." -- Mark Lane; 03/31/10

You, Jim, act as if Dr. Perry MEASURED the throat wound. His "measurement" was nothing but a guess, Jimbo. Nobody measured the size of that bullet hole and you know it. A "fragment" caused the throat wound? You're reaching here. Of course, you HAVE to "reach", because you refuse to accept the obvious--one bullet passed through JFK without striking bone. And, no, the bullet did not have to strike a vertebrae. Mantik & Co. are obviously incorrect when they say it HAD to strike a bone. BTW, Jim, how did the upper lung and pleura get bruised if a bullet and/or a "fragment" entered JFK and just STOPPED inside him? What caused those bruises if not the passage of a high-speed bullet? And Boswell's explanation about the muscles "closing" up and not permitting any probes to go through makes perfect sense to me. Why doesn't that make sense to you, James? BTW 2 -- Why didn't the autopsy doctors find any bullets in JFK's body? Or did they lie about that too? All three of them? (And I know darn well you don't agree with Doug Horne or David Lifton on this point. So--who stole the bullets out of JFK's body?)

DiEugenio's last effort is more of the same typical anti-SBT nonsense from a typical anti-SBTer. Jim offers up no logical or coherent alternative to the SBT. And that's because he can't. He knows the SBT is true. And he knows it's silly to believe that TWO bullets went into Kennedy's body with neither bullet exiting from the other side--and then have both bullets disappear. Watching a CTer make excuses for why the SBT is wrong is more fun than watching DiEugenio try to defend the Jolly Green Fraud named Jim Garrison. But since Jimbo wrote a book about the other Jimbo's pathetic and fraudulent case against Clay Shaw, there's absolutely NO amount of smoke that he won't blow in our faces when it comes to DiEugenio trying to prop up that Garrison mess in New Orleans. Jim D. probably even believes that Perry Russo was telling the truth.

There is plenty of evidence that indicates the throat wound was an exit for the upper-back entry wound, with probably THE BIGGEST piece of common-sense "evidence" for this being the fact that NO BULLETS at all were found in JFK's whole body. Plus, there's the lack of any substantial damage to Kennedy's upper-back and neck (except for some bruising of the top of the right lung and the pleural cavity). There's also the OUTWARD-pointing fibers on the front side of JFK's shirt. And the previously-mentioned bruising of the lung and pleura certainly indicate that the bullet which caused such bruising was passing very swiftly by the lung and pleura. In other words, if a bullet had completely STOPPED inside JFK's neck, it's very likely that the bruises that were found inside JFK's back and neck at his Bethesda autopsy would not have been there at all. Hence, that bullet was travelling at a fairly high rate of speed as it passed (but did not directly strike) the top of the lung and upper pleural cavity. And, to emphasize the obvious once again -- If one bullet did not pass clean through President Kennedy's body, it means that TWO bullets must have entered from opposite directions -- with one of those missiles going into his throat from the front (and fired from where exactly, btw? The conspiracy theorists don't usually say); while a second bullet entered the President's upper back. And NEITHER of these two bullets exited JFK's body! Why on Earth didn't EITHER of these two bullets exit the other side of JFK's body? Do conspiracists think the two bullets COLLIDED head-on inside Kennedy's neck or something? (I'm surprised that some CTer hasn't purported such an insane theory. But, to date, I don't think I've heard that one theorized.) It's simply not reasonable to think that TWO bullets would have entered Kennedy's neck and back and then have both bullets stopping dead in their tracks inside JFK's body. And then the bullets (which should have been INSIDE Kennedy at the autopsy) just disappear. Silly beyond all belief. But what's not silly when all the evidence connected to JFK's wounds is taken into consideration is the Single-Bullet Theory -- especially when the perfectly logical and reasonable SBT is compared to the absurd "Two Bullets" scenario I just laid out above. In the final analysis, the only people who have a "Magic Bullet" in the JFK murder case are the conspiracy believers. In fact, they don't have just one Magic Missile -- they've got at least TWO. Those two being the two bullets that "magically" went into Kennedy but didn't exit, and then vanished. I guess the shooters were firing spitwads at Kennedy through a plastic drinking straw, which is why their hopelessly weak TWO bullets didn't go into JFK's body more than a few inches on either side. This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes about this topic, which was uttered by a fellow LNer named "Bud" in 2006. When discussing the SBT and the possible anti-SBT alternatives with some of the assorted conspiracy nuts at the alt.conspiracy.jfk newsgroup, Bud said this: "The assassins choose bullets that inflict non-lethal, 1-inch-deep wounds? Instead of feeding JFK to lions, they decided to nibble him to death by ducks?" -- Bud; April 1, 2006 And most conspiracy theorists (such as Jim DiEugenio and many others) actually have a THIRD "magic" bullet -- the one they say went into Governor John Connally that was NOT Commission Exhibit No. 399 (or so the conspiracy believers say). So there's yet another bullet that vanishes off the planet after entering the body of a Dealey Plaza victim. The anti-SBT crowd is hopeless. They refuse to see the truth and rationality of the Single-Bullet Theory....even after seeing the two victims reacting to that bullet hitting them at the exact same time in the Zapruder Film.

Oh, come on, Robert. You think the very fast snap forward of JFK's HEAD is caused by him being hit in the UPPER BACK? And his HEAD just happens to explode at that EXACT moment too--even though it's really an UPPER-BACK bullet that's causing the forward head movement? That's certainly a new theory I had never heard before. But, then too, conspiracists will go to any lengths to avoid the obvious (and the evidence). And Robert Morrow just proved it.

In the mid-1970s, Itek Corp. measured the forward movement of JFK's head. There is no question his head moves forward with great speed between Z312 and Z313, which is the exact MOMENT OF IMPACT of a bullet hitting the head. And it's also important to note that since the bullet that struck JFK's head at Z313 is long gone and out of the head by Z314 (when the "back and to the left" movement begins), this means that the backward movement of Kennedy's head cannot possibly be caused by THE BULLET that hit him. Therefore, some OTHER explanation must account for the rear head movement. Unless you want to postulate TWO head shots--which the evidence (photos/X-rays/Autopsy Report) does not support at all, and never did.

~sigh~

IMO, the above statement made by Josiah Thompson is a very odd one. While I suppose Josiah's comment is LITERALLY true, I don't see why the Museum's content and exhibits would necessarily have to be dictated by "the opinion atmosphere" of Dallas, Texas. For one thing, a large number of visitors to Gary Mack's Sixth Floor Museum come from outside the city of Dallas each year. I'm not sure of what the percentages are, but I would imagine that well over 60% of the visitors to the Museum each year are from outside of Dallas. And probably more. It only stands to reason that most of the Museum's visitors are likely tourists from out of town. Also: Is Josiah Thompson actually suggesting that the vast majority of Dallas citizens endorse the "lone assassin" scenario in the JFK case? I'd beg to differ. I don't know the exact figures on that stat either, but I'd be willing to bet that Dallas is about the same as most other U.S. cities -- which means that about 75% of the Dallas population thinks there was a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy. Anyway, I'm pretty certain that Gary Mack must be doing a lot of things right at the Sixth Floor Museum At Dealey Plaza, and that's because the conspiracists seem to hate his guts (and his Museum) with a passion. Therefore, Gary's GOT to be doing something right.

You could be right. But I'm not sure if you are (with respect to the SBT/CE399 bullet that struck no bony structures in JFK's body).