Brad Milch

How about a video index by subject, David? Here's a couple of examples how such could really aid your visitors (especially me): 1. I'm looking for a video clip of Jesse Curry asking the public to bring their home movies and photos of the assassination to the police to help them in their investigation. I remember seeing that clip on TV the assassination weekend, but don't remember if it was aired on national or Dallas TV. I refer to David's video index, look up Jesse Curry, read a brief synopsis of news conferences featuring Mr. Curry & THERE IT IS!!! David has just saved me hours of digging, searching, downloading & screening through video clips. He has become my hero in the process. 2. Jim DiEugenio wants to know when the Malcolm Couch film was first shown on national or Dallas TV. Jim is curious about whether the Franzen family (seen in the Zapruder film) are also seen in the Mal Couch film. Jim refers to David's online video index, quickly finds the clip he wants & downloads it. David now is hero to 2 people who start camping out near his house in hopes of gaining David's autograph. Multiply it out & estimate how popular you could become in a very short time, David. It might get so big that you'd be able to be Taylor Swift's next door neighbor....who knows? David might even start receiving Christmas gifts from Jim. It could really snowball.... Just sayin.... Respectfully & Sincerely, Brad Milch PS: BTW, David, some EF readers may be of the opinion that YouTube has everything JFK connected, so why bother with DVP's audio/visual collection? Well, those of that opinion might be surprised to learn that some of what is up on YouTube has been edited by whoever uploaded the visual. In the case of the Malcolm Couch film footage, I have yet to find a complete version of his film that was broadcast on TV the assassination weekend; all I ever have seen on 'the tube' have been edited to just as Malcolm passes the DPD officer with his pistol drawn in the area near the reflecting pool that Rosemary Willis was running to keep up with JFK's parade car (seen in the Zapruder, Dorman, Bell & Martin films). Malcolm filmed the meridian & south knoll area from the top of the street near the TSBD's 'concrete divider/island down to where the camera car he was in was about to enter the triple underpass/overpass. James Darnell was also filming the north knoll area at the same time. It may come as a surprise to some just how many spectators seen in the few amateur films & photos of the actual attack on JFK & entourage lingered or vanished in the short time it took Couch/Darnell to capture their respective footages. For those interested EF readers that view or download YouTube videos, it wouldn't hurt to cross check what David Von Pein has posted on his TouTube channels & websites. He might have a complete version of a visual that a reader only has an edited version of. David's version might be of superior quality. YouTube can be (as Forrest Gump's mom would tell him) 'like a box of chocolates; you never know what you're gonna get'. A high school or college student should especially be a frequent visitor of David Von Pein IMHO. The magnificent audio/visual material he has assembled free of charge can only help interested students improve their grades IMHO.

James 'Ike' Altgens & his Dealey Plaza story before, during & post assassination invites interest & intrigue. With police responders feverishly searching the rail yards for an assassin or team of shooters, Ike is seen in the Darnell film calmly standing on the Elm Street sidewalk in front of the Newman family shielding their kids as if he's waiting for someone to drive up to him. To linger in Dealey plaza for 5 minutes after the ambush of JFK, avoid the police search & the upset spectators & make his way to his office in the Dallas Morning News building, develop his photos (or hand them off for developing, depending on the version of Altgens' handling of his exclusive photos one reads & believes) & get Altgens photo 6 out on the newswire by 1 PM CST is super fast work for a middle aged man lugging around a camera bag loaded with cameras, accessories & film. Then, CBS TV news sits on the sensational photos for several hours before showing a couple of them on national TV. There's more....supposedly Altgens was sent to photograph the scene at Parkland hospital after getting his photos transmitted via newswire. I was 11 when JFK was assassinated; I'm 64 now & still waiting to see an Ike Altgens photo he took at Parkland hospital. Ike Altgens & his wife both died mysterious deaths. Sincerely, Brad Milch

Some additional similarities between Richard Bothun & James 'Ike' Altgens, John: - While both photographers were present with cameras at the JFK ambush crime scene, neither photographer photographed the TSBD spectators/police gathered at the southern entrance post-ambush. - Neither photographer photographed the rail yards, the Pullman trains parked in the rail yard area behind the north pergola, the triple underpass or the southern knoll area post-assassination. - Neither photographer photographed post-ambush arrests (the 3 tramps & Larry Florer) - Neither photographer found the rush of spectators converging on the north grassy knoll or the Newmans shielding their children at the bottom of the north pergola newsworthy or interesting enough to bother photographing them (Ike Altgens walked right past the Newmans & was photographed standing in front of them on the Elm Street sidewalk. He knew they were there). - As the motorcade press cars moved away from the concrete divider in front of the TSBD towards the triple underpass, Richard Bothun is nowhere to be seen in the film footage shot by Malcolm Couch. On the other hand, the footage shot by James Darnell shows Ike Altgens on the Elm Street sidewalk below the north pergola with no Richard Bothum in sight, suggesting only Ike Altgens was present in either direction, not Bothum. The temptation may be presenting itself for some to theorize that Ike Altgens was using the fake name & person of 'Richard Bothun' as a means to make more money from his pictures that contractual obligations with the Associated Press may have prevented. Songwriters, musicians & song performers (before & beyond Benny Goodman to The Beatles) have been using that slick way to bypass contractual obligations & restrictions since the beginning of recording technology. If, indeed, you have found a visual mistake concerning Ike Altgens appearing twice in the Z-film frames, may I be among the first to congratulate your sharp eyes, John. Any visual proof that the Z-film was the victim of tampering is important to the history of the JFK cold case. Unfortunately, you'll probably invite a host of debunkers for your great observation, John. I can almost hear them pouring over their visual collections feverishly searching for ammo to hurl at you (lol). Respectfully & Sincerely, Brad Milch PS: Speaking of visuals debunkers, one or two of them claimed in your Altgens6 thread that the darkened window of Nellie Connally raised up about half-way was caused by a building reflection in Altgens photo #6. If one takes a look at the Jim Walker photos of JFK & entourage in their parade car on Main Street (a couple of blocks before Dealey Plaza) found at the Sixth Floor Museum, they might notice that the photographer's line of sight & distance from the parade car is very close to that of Ike Altgens in Altgens6. Although surrounded by tall buildings, Nellie's window is crystal clear. The closest tall buildings opposite Nellie's window in Altgens 6 would be the Federal building & a portion of the old red courthouse, both considerably further away from JFK's parade car than the buildings surrounding it in the Jim Walker motorcade photos. Debunkers don't always have the correct, truthful answers.

You may be onto something big, John. There is an eerie similarity between Bothun's photos & Ike Altgens' Dealey Plaza photos. Both could pass as being taken from the same camera, from the same photographer's film spot. Ike Altgens appears in Bothun photo 4. Do you suspect some photo hanky panky there, John? Respectfully, Brad Milch

Bill's on a roll, Ray. Let's recap some of what Bill has told us so far: 1. Dan Rather, upon viewing the Z-film in Zapruder's office, could not tell the difference between some DPD motorcyclists rounding the intersection of Houston & Elm Streets & the presidential touring car & entourage contained inside it. Thus, Rather's description of JFK's 'black limo' rounding the corner of Houston & Elm Streets that he told CBS TV viewers he had seen in the z-film was really a description of some motorcycles. WTF? 2.After Zapruder went to the trouble to return to his home & fetch his camera for the specific purpose of filming the JFK motorcade in Dealey Plaza, Zapruder got caught up in the excitement & only 'tracked' the JFK limo on Houston Street & turning onto Elm Street instead of holding down the 'record' button on his camera. Zapruder wasn't aware of his mistake as he spoke about what he filmed on WFAA-TV with Jay Watson shortly after the ambush. Poor man got caught up in the excitement. WTF? 3. Zapruder's receptionist (Marilyn Sitzman) was not aware her boss's camera wasn't filming as she clung onto Zapruder in an effort to keep the man from falling off the ornamental pergola block he & Sitzman were both standing on top of (Zapruder suffered from vertigo & having an attractive woman clinging closely onto him probably did not help matters all that much for him [obvious distraction & other obvious dangers when men sometimes get too close to women]. Numerous photos & a couple of amateur films demonstrate how close to each other's heads Zapruder & Sitzman were, yet neither was aware the camera wasn't running during the JFK intersection turn. WTF? 4. (my favorite thus far): It doesn't matter that the Elm Street turn is not in the Z-film because Tina Towner & Robert Hughes both filmed a portion of it. The fact that neither had similar line of sights & caught only portions of the Elm Street turn from different angles is not important; the fact that the intersection was filmed by Towner & Hughes outweighs the absence of the missing Zapruder limo turn that Dan Rather told a global TV audience he viewed in the Z-film. Holy #@!, Batman! Can you believe all that, Batman? This can only get better, IMHO, Ray. Next, Bill might tell us what brand & flavor chewing gum Zapruder chomped on during his filming sequence & whether Abe wore stripes or small red fire trucks on his shorts that morning. (LOL) Brad Milch

@Bill Miller: Thank you for taking the time to respond, Bill. I used my words to speak for many who cannot post in this Forum. This is where I step aside & give room for the Forum researchers & EF readers to take over with their thoughts on the matter. Within that group will be those who form the opinion that someone is attempting to aid murderer(s) hide their crime. According to the laws of our land, those that aid & abet criminals should face the proper punishment comparable to the crime the suspected culprits perpetrated (once convicted in a court of law), regardless of the time span of certain crimes (murder being one of them). As for me, I wasn't there in Dealey Plaza over 53 years ago when this crime occurred (I was an 11 year old playing marbles at recess with some classmates, far away from Dallas). Your viewpoint, and others who share it, may be right or dead wrong. There are no other choices that I know of, do you? Cutting scenes out of evidence is no different that hiding or disposing of a weapon used to murder someone. An optical printer is useful for such purposes. It can also mimic start-up frames. David Healy & other visuals experts can explain in detail. I would rather help investigators find the murder weapon than absorb the risks of hiding it for unknown criminals, but that's just me. Respectfully, Brad Milch

@Bill Miller Quote: 'Alteration believers forget that Zapruder kept a first generation copy of the film with him and as far as I can tell it shows everything the original and copies do.' The problem here is what people were told about the one copy of the Z-film that Dan Rather viewed in Zapruder's office as well as statements made by Abraham Zapruder on live Dallas TV (before his film was developed & copied 3 times) and his attractive receptionist, Marilyn Sitzman, in the TV documentary, 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy', Bill. Rather told a global audience that JFK's limo rounded the intersection of Houston & Elm Street & shortly afterwards, JFK was subsequently struck in his head, causing his head to move violently forward. Zapruder told a global audience on Dallas TV he began filming the JFK entourage parade car 'coming in from Houston Street, making its turn' (from Houston St. & onto Elm St.). Zapruder's receptionist (Marilyn Sitzman) said the same as her former boss in the TV documentary. What happened to the limo turn reported by Rather, Zapruder & Sitzman, Bill? That scene is not in the remaining Zapruder copies, nor the original. Are not these 3 people talking about a scene not presently in the Zapruder film original or its 3 copies? How could all 3 be wrong (particularly the two people involved in creating the Z-film, Abraham Zapruder & Marilyn Sitzman)? Sincerely, Brad Milch

Quote: 'The insult is someone claiming alteration without even knowing the processes needed to have been done such a thing to know if it was possible or not'. What is desperately needed to help folks globally interested in this topic understand & decide if the Z-film & its' brother & sister assassination visuals were collectively or individually victims of manipulation is someone on the 'inside' that performed the alleged tasks suspected of the final product. This failure to produce a living witness to the alleged falsification of the Z-film at the CIA's super secret Hawkeye Works film studio was one of the biggest hurdles to Doug Horne's spectacular claims that the government monkeyed with the Z-film the assassination weekend. Alleged by Horne: removal of the limo turn from Houston to Elm Street, removal of the limo stop near the Newman family & removal of the violent forward motion of JFK's head (reported by Dan Rather the assassination weekend on CBS TV news) & thus leaving the after-effects of a 2nd shot. Other authors & researchers have expanded on these alleged obstructions of justice to include removal of witness reported DPD motorcycle officer activity (such as driving up the slope of the grassy knoll while on their bike or bikes to chase after a suspect), darkening people or objects with visual artists paint (usually black), manipulating persons seen in the foreground or backgrounds & a lot of other sneaky stuff allegedly passed off to the global public as historically accurate. The topic itself invites interest, particularly to persons of my generation (early 1950's) that feared a giant ape climbing up a tall building, reaching in & grabbing them out (LOL). After a lifetime of seeing visual manipulations paraded in motion picture films, television (particularly TV ads), newsprint & books, trials & judgements, & other visual communication tools, it's no wonder folks suspect the Z-film, especially in light of the enslavement the film initially received at the hands of its legal owners. In short, where are the people that performed the suspected alterations? Can 1 person be found & willing to come clean for public consumption? Wouldn't that be the best route to take as opposed to heeding the advice of those people don't really know; some or all of which present themselves without acceptable credentials? One might recall the bar-b-q the O.J. Simpson prosecution team made of Robert Groden's 'expert analysis' in that famous murder trial, claiming that O.J.'s alleged murder shoes had been faked in photos. People might find the allegations of film fraud in the JFK cold case attractive to cling to, but I believe they'll let go of it once no visuals technicians personally involved in the suspected criminal modifications can be found to settle the issue, one way or another. So far, not one z-film alterationists has come forward & told his/her story concerning the z-film. Sincerely, Brad Milch

@ Ray: Quote: 'Seems that you agree that there was tampering with the body after it left Parkland, but disagree with Lifton about the "mad scientists" (as you call them). If there was projectile in the throat and it wasn't done at Parkland or Bethesda, where do you think it was done?' Ray, I followed several threads at the old Lancer Forum concerning this subject & your question. As I recall, some of the more heated exchanges centered around those who believed the answer to 'where it was done' is found in Dallas police post-assassination tapes in which a reference to JFK's body being transported in an ambulance either to Parkland or to Love Field after death was announced. Another that comes to mind is the suggestion that the body of JFK was transported out of Love Field on the 'phantom C-130' military cargo plane that transported both the JFK parade car & the SS 'Queen Mary' out of Love Field but was not logged in at Andrewes AFB as having ever arrived. Some believe JFK's body left Dallas via that aircraft. The ARRB failed to gather & publicize the paper trail of documentation that aircraft generated regardless of its mission & destinations (where it stopped for fuel, repair, crew & passenger lodgings. The aircraft, crew & passengers activities post-assassination are still a mystery today. It's great to Sherry Fiester's back splatter analysis finally getting some attention by researchers. If Sherry is correct, the answer to where was the sniper that killed JFK located is right there in the Z-film & has been all along. I might add that the 1st really BIG disinformation about JFK's death came not from early CT'ers, but from Life Magazine (purchasers & owners of the Z-film) that told the global public a week after the assassination that their film showed JFK turning in his seat to look back at his assailant in the TSBD when the sniper shot JFK in the throat. I know of no retraction that was ever made by Life magazine nor of any protests from Hoover's FBI over this. The question that lingers in many minds all these years is 'did this really happen & why isn't that scene depicted in the Z-film'. There exists witness testimony that JFK and Jackie both turned to look back at the TSBD while entering the kill zone of Elm Street (I believe off the top of my head Bonnie Ray Williams or one of his co-workers testified to the WC that he saw JFK & Jackie look back at the TSBD at the start of the ambush). If that scene did exist in the Z-film early in its Life custody and was removed, the 1st alterationists were Life magazine. I hope this thread stays open because it leads to so many important aspects of the JFK cold case that still mystify interested persons globally over a half century after the 3 Dallas ambushes occurred (JFK, Tippit & Oswald). With respect to all contributors, Brad Milch

For the benefit of Education Forum readers that may find this thread appearing at this point as a weak & sugary set-up to 'kiss up/suck up' to some unknown credentialed, amateur Internet 'self-proclaimed' visuals 'experts' (sorry, not naming any names), let me be the 1st to invite opposing opinions concerning the Z-film: David Lifton, Doug Horne & David Healy, where are you? BTW, Horne's alterations thesis concerns frames removal from the Z-film. Please explain how removing the Houston to Elm Street parade car turn, the parade car stop in front of the Newman family, JFK being pitched violently forward (as reported by Dan Rather on CBS TV News Monday, Nov 25 1963 after viewing the Z-film in Zapruder's office) and reported DPD motorcycle police activity affects film grain & produces noticeable differences in that grain? Aren't the z-film photo images displayed in this thread thus far all alterations of the Z-film in some way or another? For example: Jean Hill's raincoat was red, not orange. Respectfully, Brad Milch (playing devil's advocate for the benefit of EF readers not yet members & thus unable to post their own comments)

Not a problem, John. I put my comments in your thread more or less as an invite to those persons that contributed those original Lancer Forum discussions about Altgens 6 to continue here at EF that which was thwarted by the destruction of the online Lancer Forum by sinister hackers. I found the Lancer discussions interesting enough to follow them for quite a while. I have no doubts EF readers will follow any research concerning Altgens 6 because it was 1st day evidence. The implications that the MSM fed the global public tainted 1st day evidence the day of the assassination gets some people hot under the collar quick, as I recall from the many, varied discussions about that particular photo that I vividly recall reading at Lancer with interest. For those who feel the necessity to lock horns with David Von Pein, keep in mind that he may be right in what he feels strongly to post about. I look forward to what direction you take your subject matter in your thread, John. It never hurts to know what others have discussed in the past on any subject within the quagmire known as the JFK assassination (in my humble opinion). I believe the more one discusses this subject, the more one learns (even if they can't always remember where they learned it lol). Sincerely, Brad Milch

You are correct, David. Sincere thanks for the clarification. Some might find it odd that CBS TV sat on Altgens 6 for over 4 hours, being as exclusive a photo of the actual ambush that it was. I remember 1st seeing Altgens 6 in the weekend newspapers in South Carolina; probably Saturday, Nov 23, 1963. When I returned to school (5th grade) on Tuesday, following JFK's funeral, I remember my teacher (Mrs. Rodgers) had several newspapers with prints of Altgens 6. I remember one newspaper identified JFK as slumped across the back seat with Jackie holding up his arm while the others had arrows pointing to JFK's head (supposedly). Little did I suspect at the time that Altgens 6 would be controversial over 53 years later & many, many moons were to pass. Later that week, Mrs. Rodgers would study the Zapruder frames in Life Magazine & ask her students (myself included) if any of us could see JFK's head turned back to look at the TSBD's 'sniper's nest' that the magazine reported was seen in the film. None of us could. From what I have read on this cold case, Altgens is supposed to have lingered in Dealey Plaza for a short period & then walked, run or obtained a ride back to his office & developed his own photos of the ambush. Supposedly Altgens got Altgens 6 out on the newswires at 1:00 PM CST as per timestamps. A lot of people believe the timestamps were back dated. Your thoughts, David? Sincerely, Brad Milch

Hi John: Your topic triggered a flood of memories concerning discussions about Altgens 6 on the original Lancer Forum that I remember following with interest several years ago: 1. An attempt to disguise Emory Roberts talking on the radio in the Queen Mary by simple black 'smudge' blocking part of his face was detected by some Lancer visuals analysts. The cord of the radio can still be seen in the photo that was released globally the day of the assassination. 2. An attempt to disguise SS Agent Ready holding a pistol was detected by some Lancer readers. They believed his wedding band can still be seen on his finger in the released Altgens 6 photo. 3. Some believe Agent Ready's head is a composite: The upper half is the frontal forehead & hair of someone joined to the bottom half of Ready's head. The tip-off is the hair at the top is brushed back as if in is growing towards the front of Ready's head in the suspected composite Altgens 6. When compared to other photos of Ready, his hair did not grow from the back of his head towards the front of his head (it was just the opposite). Lancer analysts concluded the photo originally was Ready facing JFK with his pistol drawn. This was changed to make it look like Ready was facing towards his back, Lancer responders believed. 4. Some Lancer analysts interpreted Altgens 6 depicting JFK as bent over, head towards the limo windshield (or Greer) with his left hand bent back as if pointing towards the center of his back. This interpretation agrees with Kellerman's WC testimony. Others interpreted JFK as sprawled across the back seat, head in Jackie's lap with Jacking holding up his limp right arm. Some believed they saw a portion of JFK's shoe in the area generally interpreted to be JFK's face. 5. Some believe the splices in the Z-film were intended to knock out what appeared to some as something visible in Ready's hand just before the splice(s). It may take those interested to actually visit Dealey Plaza, stand where Altgens was when he took Altgens 6 & take a multitude of photos at different zoom lens settings to fully understand what you are saying about the left side of the photo appearing cropped. In all the photos & film I took when I visited Dealey Plaza (several times over the years), regardless of the highest zoom setting, I always got most of the retaining wall all the way to the east shelter enclosure (Cupola) in the photos. Usually, I also captured most, if not all of the upper floors of the Dal-Tex building. IIRC from the Lancer discussions, one of Altgens' series of photos Altgens took pre-during-post ambush is missing from the complete set. Hope this helps the discussion! Sincerely, Brad Milch PS: In the 2016 Lancer Conference interview video of Bill & Gayle Newman posted at 'the Tube', Bill Newman is now saying he thought he saw someone talking on the radio (Roberts) during the shooting. He still believes he saw SS men in the Queen Mary dismount the car & rush up the grassy knoll with rifles in hand (something witnessed by others, one being a news reporter). As usual, neither Newmans were asked if what they witnessed agrees with the Zapruder film, but Bill did mention that he saw the limo briefly stop & rock before speeding off. Neither Newmans smelled gunsmoke anywhere around them. In the years that have transpired since Lancer was attacked, hacked & destroyed, it has been suggested that the laundry van visible in Altgens 5 & a couple amateur home movies was actually a mobile photo lab that took Altgens film from him & began alteration work before Altgens made it back to his office & supposedly placed the photo on the news wires around 1.PM CST Dallas time Nov 22, 1963. CBS TV did not air the Altgens 6 photo until later the assassination weekend I've been told.

@Chris & David: In the spirit of aiding those Education Forum readers following this thread with interest, allow me to present some questions for those non-members to aid in their personal analysis & conclusions about this cold case: From what you know of this case in your studies, does the ambush of JFK & entourage on Elm Street suggest a sophisticated military type ambush or (as 'Oswald did it' preachers like EF's own David Von Pein's well publicized take on the case) a happenstance situation where an amateur, solely by himself, chose a spot in a building that happened to be free of internal witnesses, cleared JFK's security & other outside obstacles & created the damage that resulted after his/her gunfire in Dealey Plaza over 53 years ago? To Z-film alteration believers or skeptics, wasn't the first indication that something was wrong with the Z-film introduced to the world by Life magazine (purchasers & owners of the film), who told us JFK looked back to the TSBD from his parade car traversing Elm Street & was shot in the neck by Oswald (supposedly stationed there in the 'sniper's nest' with his weapon)? Did this actually happen, was it ever in the Z-film & was it's absence merely a big lie; the first of many to follow by early investigators & MSM supporting them? Was the early stages of the 'single bullet theory' supposed to be the reverse of what it became in 1964, namely, was JFK supposed to have been shot in the throat (while facing his TSBD assailant) & that shot exiting JFK's back, going on to strike Gov Connally, the chrome windshield strip, the parade car's windshield and/or James Tague? Was the apparent editing imposed on the Z-film evidence of 1963-1964 government CYA? Interested persons today that recognize the Zapruder film as a CIA MSM deception tool ask hard questions never asked by a society blindly trusting US institutions & agencies in 1963: questions like what the heck was Life Magazine doing telling Hoover's 1963 FBI how JFK's ambush supposedly occurred & why wasn't Hoover protesting & retaliating against the corporation? It may seem to some that David is presenting early stages of government investigators trying to CYA & explain an ambush away as the work of a solo, lucky shooter in a building behind the doomed President. People enter all sorts of ambushes every day, all over the globe. Not all of them are sophisticated military tactics. Not all ambushes terminate in death of the victim. Some victims suffer monetary & personal possessions loss. Some never realize they've been victimized in an ambush: for example: the grocery store cashier that charges someone for groceries not bagged & pockets the money spent later when the customer fails to notice the loss & return to the store for a refund. That rip off, like the person enticed to meet someone for an amorous escapade that ends up beaten & robbed are both examples of common, every day ambushes executed on innocent victims globally. Sometimes amateur perpetrators are the culprits. Sometimes it's smooth, professional criminals. Ambushes are an unfortunate part of our world. Not all ambushes are recognized or avoidable. Brad Milch PS: What do the concerned researchers in this thread have to say to former Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden's well publicized belief that JFK killers in Dallas escaped Chicago & Federal law enforcement in Chicago a few weeks before the slaughter in Dallas in a planned ambush of JFK in Chicago that was thwarted & subsequently covered up by Chicago & Federal law enforcement agencies (namely: U.S. Secret Service)? Mr. Bolden describes an agenda driven mindset that is evidenced by Life Magazine's description of the JFK ambush they presented globally a week following JFK's, Officer Tippit's & Lee Oswald's violent deaths in Dallas, namely: deceive the global public as opposed to reporting the truth to them. Tie this research into Bolden's comments & you just might convince Mr. Von Pein's many confused followers to follow the path to the light.

@Michael: I was listening to the latest Abraham Bolden radio interview last night (posted at the 'Tube') & Bolden believes the suspected would-be assassins that escaped law enforcement in Chicago a few weeks before Dallas were the same bad guys that took JFK out in Dallas. He firmly believes this. 4 shooters. Does an assassination team always work smoothly & in harmony with each other? In the ambush of Bonnie & Clyde in May 1934, one of the posse members jumped the gun & his trigger finger went to work ahead of the initial plan, instantly killing Clyde & possibly Bonnie. The former Marine sharpshooter got off two fast rounds before any of the remaining posse members could fire any shots. The rest of the ambush was overkill. Some murderers (people & animals) get anxious & blow their ambush plans, others don't. The spectators that were present during JFK's ambush will always have an advantage over the rest of us in attempting to understand what happened to JFK & entourage, yet many of them cannot agree with each other. When asked in a fairly recent online interview if the Zapruder film accurately depicts what Mary Moorman (Kramer) saw, she replied 'not really'. For many, David Lifton & Doug Horne have settled the issue of if the Z-film was monkeyed with by 1963 government operatives or not. They both believe & have presented evidence & witnesses that it was. Brad Milch

Hi, David: One can thank the likes of Max Holland, Gerald Posner, Vince Bugliosi, Dale Meyers, Dan Rather & countless other 'Oswald did it' town criers for butchering the truth about where shot #1 really occurred to a point where it's probably the most misunderstood, contestable, debatable & opinionated topic in the entire JFK assassination story; making much worse the hatchet job the original WC investigators & final Report writers made. Today, Education Forum readers that get the opportunity to visit Dealey plaza will hear a multitude of opinions as to where shot #1 occurred on Elm Street from visitors & on-site marketers (ranging from 'tour guides' to sellers of books, DVD's, print & visuals media) when they tour the site. It's probably the most basic, misunderstood aspect of the assassination itself. A salute to you, Good Sir, for attempting to make sense out what has been served to the public over the years as disguised garbage. Sincerely, Brad Milch

I recall some discussion online about the late Gary Mack following his sudden death that centered on the possibility his secret employer got him taken out. What the supposed crime committed was not disclosed. Some suspected Robert Groden pulled his plug somehow. If Mack is added to a list of notorious 'Oswald did it' preachers, how many have recently died? Hmm..let's see...there's Vince Bugliosi (for starters). McAdams groupies & cheerleaders & the few LN's that post here at EF all seem to be hanging in there. Anyone checked David Von Pein's pulse lately? (lol) Some might find it interesting to compare the LN fatality rate vs. the CT rate. I suspect the CT fatalities far exceed the LN'ers, but I haven't seen any data that proves it. Brad Milch

Hi again, Alistair: As I remember past original JFK Lancer discussions, there were 2 unconventional, unorthodox interpretations of the Altgens6 photo discussed at that doomed to exist website: Interpretation #1: JFK is bent forward (towards the windshield area of the parade car) & his left fist is arched back towards the center of his back. This interpretation agrees with Roy Kellerman's WC testimony. It does not agree with the Zapruder film. Interpretation #2: JFK is laying flat across the back seat while Jackie holds his right arm up. (some believed JFK's shoe is visible in the lower portion of JFK's face). This interpretation does not agree with the Zapruder film. It was around the time of this particular discussion that Lancer was hacked for the last, fatal time. I've often wondered if that topic struck a deep nerve that motivated the sicko's that destroyed the entire website. Sincerely, Brad Milch PS: The most unconventional, unorthodox interpretation of the JFK ambush belongs to Mary Moorman (Kramer). Mary has maintained for over 53 years that the assassination began when she snapped her famous polaroid photo while the parade car was a street lane away from her filming position. This puts the 1st shot at Z-313, with two more in rapid succession following. Mary mimicked the sound she heard in a 2013 interview posted at YouTube. IOW, the movements & reactions to gunfire of JFK & JBC prior to Z-313 did not happen as they are seen in the Zapruder film (according to Mary)

@Alistair: A couple of my friends are also working on the Muchmore images from the turn onto Houston from Main Street. One is searching for evidence of the 'phantom train' one of the two DPD officers stationed on top of the triple underpass testified to the WC was passing across the bridge during the ambush. That visual analyst is looking at the Muchmore JFK parade car side reflections showing glimpses of the top of the triple underpass. The other is searching for evidence that Patsy Paschall filmed the parade car turn onto Houston Street that was later cut out of her film by early investigators that obtained her film during the WC tenure. To me, the most suspicious thing in the Muchmore Houston Street sequence is the fellow sitting on the Dal-Tex fire escape with his body turned in the direction of the window to the side & below him. If he was a spotter for a window shooter or not would be of interest to those who believe the Dal-Tex building (home of Abraham Zapruder's garment manufacturing business) hid at least one shooter during the ambush of JFK. Sincerely & best of luck in your research efforts in this new year, Brad Milch

Howdy, John Like others, I used to be a regular visitor to the original Lancer Forum (before Jerry Dealey recently told us here at Education Forum it was hacked twice & destroyed on the last online ambush). As I recall, Marie Muchmore's film was included in discussions on why so many of the assassination attack footage are missing the turn from Houston Street onto Elm Street, the shooting sequence that began in close proximity to the [Robert] 'Croft ladies' photo #3, as well as the entire ambush or escape from Dealey Plaza (or both). Amateur films that fell into this category include Muchmore, Nix, Paschall, Bronson, Martin, Bell, Dorman, Zapruder, Hughes & Towner (I might be forgetting a film or 2). The short film produced by Martin is particularly hard to understand when once actually visits Dealey Plaza & stands where the photographers stood & ask themselves why someone would go to all the trouble to fight traffic & crowds, find parking or walk to their film spots & position themselves where they could film the President & his entourage traversing the streets of Dealey Plaza & just take snippets of film instead of capturing the entire journey from Main Street to under the triple underpass & a bit beyond. If one follows & accepts the research of Doug Horne & David Lifton, exit debris of the horrific JFK fatal head wound(s) was taken out of the films that captured that scene (Zapruder, Muchmore, Nix, Bronson), as well as the parade car stop during the shooting & it's sharp turn from Houston to Elm streets (assuming the photographers didn't stop filming). I vaguely recall in the Lancer discussions talk about what's visible in the brief headshot scene in Muchmore's film appears to some to be the result of enlargement alteration. Some people took video from Muchmore's 2nd filming location & (assuming Muchmore did not zoom her camera in the time she moved from Houston Street to the concrete structure behind the reflecting pools, the JFK parade cars appeared to be larger than it does when Muchmore was closer to the car in her first filming location on Houston Street (near or next to slide photographer Wilma Bond). Those folks were saying that the grassy knoll looks enormous compared to how it looks when one actually stands at the Muchmore filming spot & either looks at it or films it with a camera. Unknowledgeable, biased or incompetent interviewers of assassination photographers plus other witnesses compounded the situation. I've lost track of the Newman family interviews posted online in which the interviewer fails to ask the family members the most basic of questions: 'since Abraham Zapruder was filming over your heads, directly behind you, is what is depicted in the Zapruder film an accurate portrayal of what you saw with your own eyes? Is anything missing or added?' The Sixth Floor Museum is notorious for omitting the hard questions when handling assassination witnesses as their weak online videos attest. Marilyn Sitzman wasn't even asked that question. Marilyn was standing behind Zapruder on the film pedestal, steadying the man. If anyone knew his film was monkey with, it was Marilyn. The common denominator with online, book & documentary film analysts is that those that argue for authenticity & those that argue against it were not present when the crime was committed over 53 years ago, further confusing an already confused global public. At the very least, the subject sends a global message about not trusting law enforcement agents with personal film footage & the equipment that captured it. Best, Brad Milch

Robin: Do you have the Muchmore frames printed in Four Days from 1964? As a 12 year old at the time, I remember looking at those photos for endless hours during my 6th grade's library hour. I'm curious about the 'special finished film product' UPI described to the 1964 FBI. It may be difficult for younger Education Forum readers to visualize just how few assassination visuals were available following the assassination & the year after. Life magazine published select frames from the Tina Towner, F. Mark Bell, Robert Hughes, Elsie Dorman & Patsy Paschall films in 1967. The public had no idea those films existed until then & as you are probably aware, any visuals Life magazine handled are suspect today by a good many as being alteration victims. It wasn't like YouTube is today, with a wide range of visual materials available for viewing & study. The Zapruder film wasn't shown as a complete film until 1975. As I have followed this story, Marie Muchmore & her film seem 'fishy' to a lot of JFK students, researchers & hobbyists for a multitude of reasons (as David Josephs explains above). I don't ever recall seeing a photo of Ms. Muchmore or seeing or hearing a TV or radio interview with her. The name 'Muchmore' implies to some folks the FBI was teasing the public in that much more of her film existed that was monkeyed around with (lol). I vividly recall Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry appealing to TV viewers the assassination weekend to turn over to the Dallas police any film (photos or movies) the public took during the assassination. It appears to some writers that the public trusted the FBI & SS more that the DPD in cutting loose what they captured on film. I don't believe Abraham Zapruder furnished the DPD with a copy of his film the assassination weekend. That says a lot about public trust in local law enforcement, doesn't it? (lol). David Von Pein probably knows where that Jesse Curry TV clip can be found in his massive WFAA-TV video collection on his blogs. with respect & gratitude for your contributions to continuing history study, Brad Milch

Magnificent study tools you have created, Robin! Who would have thought Marie Muchmore might have captured one of the muddy cars seen by Lee Bowers from his rail yard switching tower? I believe I see Patsy Paschall briefly in segment #4 & #5 filming her motorcade film from the open window on the 1st floor of the old red courthouse. Patsy speaks of her filming experience in a 1995 Dallas TV interview that you & Denis Morissette are credited as having provided the global public in a YouTube video I watched recently, Robin. Great work from down under, Robin! In clip #7 I believe I saw the back of Phil Willis' head. The man on the Dal-Tex fire escape looks to me like he turns to his left (right to the video viewer) as if speaking to someone in the window. I suspect the more your clips are studied in this much easier to analyze, slowed down format, the more information will be available for online discussion, Robin. I, for one, believe your visuals expertise greatly helps the JFK research effort to answer questions about what truly transpired before, during and after the horrific ambush & death of President Kennedy. The research community as a whole owes you a great deal, IMHO. Sincerely, Brad Milch PS: Have you ever boxed with a kangaroo? Who won? (lol) (as I recall, Granny from TV's Beverly Hillbillies made the mistake of sparing with an Australian 'Roo' in one TV episode & the Roo got the best of the old gal!)

Hello to you, Mr. Miller! I consider you one of the biggest guns when it comes to photo analysis & I know from the research you have published online & the visuals analysts that have locked horns with you in the past better than to argue with you on the subject (lol). I always find your analysis interesting & worth the time invested to take it under serious consideration. I have a lot of your animated gifs & your colonial online battles with the late visuals analyst Jack White somewhere in the quagmire known as my personal JFK research collection. Currently, I am separated from most of my research materials due to an unforeseen event a few months back that left me homeless for a few months. When I reunite with my collection (some friends have been kind enough to shelter them for me), I'll look for those photos of me sitting at the spot on the retaining wall the Croft couple sat at. As I recall my visit, a young adolescent fellow of about 10 or 11 years of age happened by & he sat on the wall solo & also next to me. His legs hung down to a height similar to the couple in the Croft photo (just above the top of the hedges). Robin's photo display triggered a memory of old Lancer Forum discussions on this topic & from them my curiosity led me to try out sitting on the retaining wall & seeing for myself how far my legs would hang off above the shrubs or if no hang was possible. In my case (I'm 5' 9"), no hang was possible; for me it was either place by legs & feet behind or in front of the hedges. Trust me, either way will tear up one's trousers or shoes (lol). For those Dealey Plaza visitors that might want to try it for themselves, it's difficult to hop over the shrubs from the front of the retaining wall & hope your bum lands at the right spot on top of the wall; it's much easier to approach the corner of the wall from the rear, sit down (facing towards the TSBD) and spin one's legs & feet over the top of the wall & face Elm Street. IIRC, in the old Lancer Forum discussions of the 'Croft ladies' photo, it was suggested that Croft's camera may have distorted the image of the Croft ladies or the image might have been distorted on an optical printer. I leave those analyses to the big guns (like yourself, Bill) that understand visuals in much more depth than I possess. Best wishes to you always, Distinguished Sir! It's great to see you posting online again on the Education Forum Sincerely, Brad Milch PS: I would be most interested in getting your take on what may be causing the flashes seen in the enhanced video segments of assassination eyewitness & photographer Patsy Paschall's home movie of portions of the JFK assassination she filmed that is posted on YouTube that I've been watching the past few days here: Could those flashes seen in the red circle marking their location be someone using gunfire to chase people away from the north grassy knoll following the ambush of Pr4sident Kennedy? Your thoughts, Bill? According to the information posted in the video description, researcher Denis Morissette & Robin Unger's JFK Assassination Forum are responsible for the public being able to view the enhanced segments of the Patsy Paschall film, as well as the full TV interview Patsy gave viewers in & around Dallas in 1995 in which Patsy describes what she saw & heard during the ambush as well as how she was shunned by the Warren Commission (who had possession of her film for a short time). Robin & Dennis certainly are owed a salute & a tip of the hat IMHO. Brad

Hi, Lawrence: I had a computer print of the Croft ladies photo in hand to compare the shrub heights with. I was alone on that visit to Dealey Plaza & I asked a lady visitor to snap a photo of me sitting at the spot on the retaining wall the woman & the man with the small appearing legs sat from Robert Croft's film position across Elm St. She used my digital camera. The shrubs were cut about the same as 1963. They came up to about the halfway point (looking at the wall from Elm Street pointed North). Incidentally, it's easier to access the corner of the retaining wall from BEHIND it than it is to navigate one's legs & feet over the shrubs from the front. I'll look through my JFK research materials & try to locate the photos taken of me on the wall & post them once I locate them. I estimated the woman & her companion in the Croft ladies photo to be 5' tall or less. BTW, the lady DID return my digital camera (lol). Sincerely, Brad Milch

Robin & Michael: To the best of my knowledge, none of the people visible in the Croft photo (women or men) have ever been positively identified or interviewed. Some might attach great significance to so many JFK assassination witnesses, gathered in such close proximity to the doomed President as he was being ambushed & murdered, all escaping from history without a comment or trace as too great of a coincidence. Others might use the Croft photo as an example of just how badly Bill Decker's men held everything secure following the sheriff's radio order to his department's officers. IIRC, distinguished JFK researcher, author & JFKFacts webmaster, Jefferson (Jeff) Morley, referenced the Croft ladies photo in his fairly recent online attempt to reach out & establish contact with all the unknown witnesses in Dealey Plaza & get their stories of what they saw & heard on the record. Besides the Croft ladies, Mr. Morley was looking for the black couple referenced by Marilyn Sitzman (Abe Zapruder's filming partner) in her interview in Josiah Thompson's book, 'Six Seconds In Dallas', the living pilots, crew & passengers of the 'Phantom C-130' military cargo aircraft that flew JFK's 'death car' along with the SS followup car 'Queen Mary' into & out of Dallas the day of the assassination (distinguished JFK researcher William Kelly discovered that that aircraft is missing from the Andrews Air Force Base log book as ever having arrived at Andrews AFB with both vehicles aboard). To date, I don't believe Mr. Morley has located anyone not already known in the JFK assassination saga, despite his admirable online efforts. Robin's photo display is a reminder that a good many JFK assassination witnesses slipped away without being identified on questioned by authorities on the scene 53 years ago. The man on the Dal-Tex building's fire escape in Altgens photo #6, the Dealey Plaza meridian eyewitnesses running away from the North grassy knoll, the Western end of the triple underpass & the 3 wheeler motorcycle officer heading in their direction in the Patsy Paschall enhanced film (shown on Dallas TV in segment portions in 1995) are all examples of more JFK assassination eyewitnesses that were on the scene, close to the ambush itself & all escaping into history without leaving their experiences on record in global history books. Perhaps Ed Forum readers can use Robin's Croft ladies photo display as a means to reach out to the unknown people seen in the photos & strive for contact & information about their experiences in Dealey Plaza 53 years ago. Best always, Brad Milch