Brad Milch

Howdy to you & the rest of your neighbors from 'down under', Robin: Your magnificent photo display of the Croft ladies triggered a memory of discussions I remember from the original Lancer Forum that I'd like to share with the Education Forum readers & you (hoping all find it interesting): Part of the discussion concerned the woman wearing the blue dress & the fellow dressed in brown sitting next to her at the corner of the retaining wall behind the Croft ladies standing & waving on the sidewalk. Someone noticed that the woman & her companion's legs only come down to a point above the shrubs & commented that when they sat at that same spot while visiting Dealey Plaza, the visitor's legs collided with the shrubs & almost reached the ground. The commenter suggested the woman & her companion were too small, almost dwarf-like in size for their feet to hang above the wall shrubs, as seen in the Croft photo. As I recall, the late Gary Mack sent word through messenger (sock puppet?) that he had sat there at the spot on the retaining wall & his legs only came down to a position as seen by the couple in the Croft photo. This was followed by a lot of disagreement by people who had visited that spot in Dealey Plaza. Being close to Dealey Plaza at the time, my curiosity got the best of me &, Croft photo in hand, I sat at the same spot the Croft wall woman & her companion sat. My feet immediately collided with the top of the shrubs. When I worked my feet behind the shrubs, they almost touched the ground. I'm 5' 9". The shrubs were cut identical to the height seen in the Croft photo. In another Lancer Forum discussion, someone was claiming the Croft ladies were actually CIA sponsored anti-Castro revolutionary men dressed in drag & compared photos of anti-Castro Cuban fighters to each woman. Several photos were posted for comparison purposes. I don't remember if these men were supposedly Alpha 66, ZR-RIFLE or some other CIA sponsored Anti-Castro fighters. I recall another Lancer contributor believed he spotted a shooter with pistol in hand hiding between Croft sidewalk woman #3 and #4. Some Lancer Forum posters believed they saw a bullet hole in the parade car's windshield directly in front of driver William Greer while others believed they saw Greer holding a chrome pistol in his hand. Since the online hacking & destruction of the original Lancer Forum, I've often wondered which controversial topic was the one that was the straw that 'broke the camel's back' & motivated some sick mind(s) with the knowledge & expertise to destroy undoubtedly the most popular JFK interactive Forum online at the time. The Croft ladies discussions might have been the topic that stuck the wrong nerve in someone's mind? The late photo analyst Jack White posted a lot of his analysis of the Croft photo either here at the Ed Forum or at Deep Politics Forum. Jack believed the Croft photo was extensively altered. Some of Jack's observations included the photo depicts JFK's parade car moving uphill at a point on Elm Street that is a steep, downhill grade & the white retaining wall appears to grow taller in height the more one moves their eyes from right to left. Happy Holidays, Brad Milch

Brent Holland (of 'Night Fright Show') interviews distinguished JFK researchers/authors Vince Palamara (who started this thread) & Jerry Dealey (former moderator of the original JFK Lancer Forum that was destroyed by malicious online hackers) about their participation in 'A Coup In Camelot', posted today at YouTube: Education Forum readers experiencing video playback problems or who desire to view the video on YouTube can do so by clicking on the 'Watch On YouTube' button (once the video begins playing) located at the lower right bottom of the video screen. Most of what little is known about the 'Phantom C-130' military cargo plane that flew both JFK's 'death car' & the SS Queen Mary into & out of Love Field, Dallas Nov 22, 1963 is the result of Vince's research & efforts to track down & interview the aircraft's pilots, crew & passengers. Sincerely, Brad Milch

This is why folks need to view, analyze & discuss online 'A Coup In Camelot' before things 'go too far' (for some followers of the case) or get 'closer to the truth' (for others) IMHO, Michael. The bits & pieces of comments I posted above are nothing compared to what is discussed globally in middle school, high schools & college classrooms. My comments are the tip of the iceberg. The sooner an accessible version of the film is made available online, the better off those interested in this subject will be IMHO. Sincerely, Brad Milch PS: Not much discussion online since the destruction of the Lancer Forum, but I recall discussions years ago at Lancer where post contributors theorized JFK's body was slipped out of Dallas on a military MEDIVAC jet & worked on while the plane was enroute to Washington, D.C. I even remember one where someone felt JFK was to be murdered enroute to Kelly AFB in San Antonio the day prior to the Dallas ambush & his body worked on at the Air Force hospital located on the adjoining Lackland AFB. I remember someone theorized the C-130 cargo transport plane that flew JFK's 'death car' & the SS Queen Mary in & out of Dallas was used to transport JFK's body out of Dallas. JFK (in a body bag) was in the parade car's trunk & that's why the vehicle began to smell & sickened one of the SS men accompanying the two government vehicles. Lots of theories. No solid evidence.

Hi, Pat The foundations for my questions are based on people I have met in my life who told me they were in Dallas with their families awaiting JFK to finish his Trade Mart speech & then return to Love Field when the word spread of the ambush on Elm Street. Some told me the media was present in the crowds, others said otherwise. I also have been told that people remained at Love Field to see JFK (now dead) depart while others were chased out of the area (following the shooting & death of JFK). IOW, spectators awaiting JFK's speech to end & his planned return by motorcade back to Love Field supposedly stayed in place during the confusion following the ambush & death announcement of JFK. If this is valid info, then where was the MSM's film footage & spectator interviews? My questions were directed at the lack of crowd film footage or spectator interviews from the people awaiting JFK's return to Love Field. If the media was interspersed within the crowds, where is their film footage? Why is there no film footage of JFK's parade car returning to Love Field (along with the SS 'Queen Mary' & being loaded upon the Charleston AFB C-130 cargo plane that flew both cars into Love Field? If one looks at the entire Dallas trip as points, Point A being JFK's arrival & departure from Love Field, Point B being the motorcade to the Trade Mart (interrupted by the ambush) & JFK's return to Love Field (alive, as planned or dead by public execution) as Point C, much the media coverage of Point C is missing. I encourage serious JFK researchers, students, educators, hobbyists & others interested in the case to find Point C anywhere in David Von Pein's magnificent JFK media accessible on his blogs [one may be tempted to modify Point C as Point C-1 (Parkland) & Love Field being Point C-2. Media coverage between C-1 & C-2 is the issue here; where is it in the filmed record?]. Much of the JFK parade car's journey to Parkland covered the same freeway that spectators & MSM supposedly awaited a glimpse of the Presidential entourage. Film footage & spectator interviews is not in the public record. The last the public sees of JFK's parade car is it parked at the emergency entrance at Parkland & spectators being chased away from it. It's journey (along with the SS Queen Mary) back to Love Field is missing in the filmed record of events captured by MSM that day. We know MSM was at Parkland. TV cameras & their buses captured JFK's arrival at Love Field & his departure in his parade car Lincoln but disappear during the period of time spectators awaited his return & when LBJ was sworn in, after JFK's casket was placed on AF-1. Did they pack up & leave? Who pulled them out of Love Field? Wasn't JFK (now dead) supposed to be flown out of Dallas at the same airport he arrived at? David Lifton has written that there was film footage of JFK's casket being placed on AF-1 that was confiscated because the photographer accidentally filmed a luggage swap between AF-1 & AF-2 as well as JFK's body being moved to a cargo bay on AF-1 in a body bag. Best to you, distinguished Sir Brad Milch

To all: Doug Horne & Dr. David Mantik discuss their participation in 'A Coup In Camelot' & some of their published work in the JFK case on the latest Night Fright Show, hosted by Brent Holland, posted here at YouTube (with an upload date of Dec 9, 2016): For Education Forum readers expiring playback problems or preferring to watch the video at YouTube, click on the 'Watch On YouTube' button at the lower right of the video screen grab. For some, this may not be as good as having a copy of the released film to watch, analyze & discuss online. For others, this may be all we're likely see until some kind, brave soul shares a low quality version of the DVD online in a posted link (for those who don't have access to the marketed DVD) with the intent to promote interest, analysis & online discussion of 'A Coup In Camelot'; an action sure to promote DVD sales revenue. I'm halfway expecting alt jfk to slip a low quality, small file size downloadable link on that evil website to a downloadable 'A Coup In Camelot' lower quality video file just to provide the McAdams cheerleader regular posters found there newer & more ammo to fire at Horne & Mantik, two distinguished JFK researchers & authors that website makes no bones about hating (lol). We'll have to wait & see. Best to all, Brad Milch

Hello to all: I placed these comments in another thread in response to a poster that I believe are more appropriate here in this thread: Quote: As time moves forward, I expect David Lifton to take the lead (and the heat) on the JFK body shell game that allegedly transpired after his violent death when David releases his next blockbuster, 'Final Charade' & his evidence of Lee Oswald being murdered at Parkland becomes readable around the globe (David discussed this & other explosive topics with a friend & Brent Holland on Brent's Nov 27, 2016 2 part episode of 'Night Fright Show' [posted at YouTube]). I also expect Mr. Lifton to suffer a crucifixion agenda for his efforts by those aligned with the MSM 'Dark Side', comparable to what our Savior experienced centuries ago. First will be silence, then the ammo will fly online, on TV, radio & other communication mediums; all aimed at David Lifton & his supporters. I suspect David Lifton expects this & is prepared. As to how JFK's body may have really left Dallas: At present, it is not known what air traffic activity occurred at Love Field after the assassination. A total list is not known of any civilian or military planes that flew in or out before, during & post assassination; what their destinations & missions were. Such info has never been released to the global public in the 53 years since the Dallas crimes occurred. Keep in mind that Carswell AFB was just a few minutes away from Dallas. Military bases that were active in 1963 saturated the state of Texas. Their business & missions are not generally known by the public for obvious reasons. Where is the media coverage of the crowds that expected JFK to return to Love Field while alive & dead? Where were the TV cameras covering LBJ's historic swearing in of the Presidential oath of office? How can the MSM miss a story of that magnitude 53 years ago? The full story of the phantom C-130 that transported JFK's death limo & the SS followup car 'Queen Mary' out of Dallas has yet to be revealed or if any photos of the death limo were taken aboard that Charleston AFB aircraft that day. (comment added: Distinguished JFK researcher William Kelly informed the global public & presented evidence on his blog recently that that C-130 cargo aircraft that transported JFK's death limo & The SS Queen Mary from Love Field after the assassination was not logged in as having arrived at Andrews Air Force Base the afternoon, evening nor night of the assassination as well as the morning following. Although the ARRB released the aircraft's flight manifest (indicating who the pilot, co-pilot, loadmaster & passengers were), a paper trail of the aircraft's activities wherever it was flown & whatever it did, wherever it may have landed was not made public by the ARRB) The reference to JFK being transported somewhere in an ambulance on the DPD police audio tapes is still a matter of intrigue. David Lifton wrote more about 'Final Charade' in response to the list of questions I posted several months ago addressed to those attending a public appearance of Clint Hill & suggesting the audience ask questions routinely avoided in Clint Hill interviews & public appearances. I'll add his gracious comments to this thread when I locate the material in my personal library or the Education Forum link. Update: My original question suggestions are followed by David Lifton's response he posted here at the Education Forum. The emphasis in red is David's: Brad Milch, on 31 Mar 2016 - 07:36 AM, said: Mr. Caddy: I'd like to compile a list of questions for Mr. Clint Hill here on your thread that he has not discussed publicly in interviews posted on the Internet, in MSM TV presentations or in books authored by Mr. Hill in the 53 years since the death of President Kennedy. Perhaps Mr. Hill will see the questions here at Ed Forum & realize people interested in the case would like to hear what his comments are on those topics. He might include comments on these topics at his latest advertised speaking engagement. I'll start it off (feel free to add to this list): 1. Mr. Hill, did you observe a bullet hole in the windshield of JFK's parade car on the way to Parkland or when the car arrived back in Washington, D.C.? 2. What are your comments concerning David Lifton & Doug Horne both alleging that JFK's body was removed from the casket aboard AF-1 & placed in the aircraft's cargo bay at Love Field by SS men? 3. Was JFK's body sent ahead to Bethesda via helicopter or black hearse prior to the grey Navy ambulance that the public was told contained JFK's casket that TV viewers witnessed Jackie Kennedy boarding on network TV? Was the coffin really empty? If so, why was a pre-autopsy of JFK done? 4. Did the JFK parade car make a stop just West of the Triple underpass immediately after the ambush, prior to entering the Stemmons Freeway? What occurred? Did an additional SS agent board the Presidential parade car? 5. Several witnesses are on record stating their either saw or smelled gun smoke in Dealey Plaza during or after the ambush. Did you see or smell gun smoke in Dealey plaza during & after the ambush? 6. Some early radio & TV news bulletins from Dealey Plaza as well as some witnesses (Bill Newman is one such witness) described men quickly dismounting the SS followup car ('Queen Mary') with rifles or machine guns & running up the grassy knoll in pursuit of someone. Did you see any of this reported activity? 7. A famous photograph depicting JFK's limo & occupants (with you on the car's trunk) traveling to Parkland hospital following the ambush is believed to show either JFK's foot (or someone else's foot) or hand & elbow hanging out of the back seat of the car (I believe it's called the 'Miller' or the 'Corham photo'). Can you tell us what the photo actually depicts? 8. What are your comments on the TV documentary called 'JFK - The Smoking Gun' that was shown globally in the last few years that puts forth the theory that an SS agent in the followup car behind JFK on Elm Street accidentally shot the late President while attempting to return fire to the alleged TSBD 6th floor sniper or the theories that JFK's driver (agent Bill Greer) murdered the President? Did you see or hear anyone in JFK's parade car or the SS followup car directly behind it fire any type of weapon(s) in Dealey Plaza? 9. In your memory, did any of the witness amateur films & photos of the assassination that you viewed in a Government employee capacity differ from what was released to the public in any way, shape or form? 10. If you could go back in time & experience the assassination again, what would you do differently this time? BM Brad: I'm going to take this opportunity to provide you with my answers--based on my current knowledge--to some of these questions. Re Q1: "1. Mr. Hill, did you observe a bullet hole in the windshield of JFK's parade car on the way to Parkland or when the car arrived back in Washington, D.C.?" DSL Comment: As you know, SS agent Charles Taylor included such a statement in his report, which is part of Commission Document 80, and can be found in the Appendix to Six Seconds in Dallas. However, one must be careful, because --as was discovered a few years back (and based on a letter I wrote to the Church Committee--they actually interviewed Taylor and got him to sign an affidavit that made it appear he was incorrect. (FWIW: I still believe his original statement). Re Q2: "What are your comments concerning David Lifton & Doug Horne both alleging that JFK's body was removed from the casket aboard AF-1 & placed in the aircraft's cargo bay at Love Field by SS men?" DSL Comment: I have no doubt that this occurred, and that Clint Hill knows it. (In Final Charade, I will set forth additional evidence that this occurred). Re Q3: DSL comment: Yes, the coffin was empty. There is no question about it. Sgt. Roger Boyajian was in chargeo f morgue security. His report states that the body was delivered at 6:35 p.m., a good 20 minutes before the casket, which arrived in the naval ambulance carrying Jacqueline and Bobby Kennedy, and which arrived at 6:53 pm or 6:55 pm, depending on whether one goes by the time in Secret service reports, or the local press. (See Chapter 16 of Best Evidence, for details about the arrival of the naval ambulance). See chapter 25 for the detailed account of Dennis David, first related to me via telephone interview on July 2, 1979, that the body arrived approx 20 minutes prior to the arrival of the naval ambulance. See BEST EVIDENCE: The Research Video for my 1980 filmed interview with Dennis David, in which he specifies that the body arrived "a good 20 minutes" prior to the casket. See the ARRB interviw of Dr. Humes, who (finally) admitted that he "first saw" the body at 6:45 p.m. about 10 minutes prior to the arrival of the naval ambulance,carrying Jackie, Bobby, and the Casket. Bottom line: Yes, of course Clint Hill knows all about this (and so do other SS agents). Re Q 4: "Did the JFK parade car make a stop just West of the Triple underpass immediately after the ambush, prior to entering the Stemmons Freeway? What occurred? Did an additional SS agent board the Presidential parade car?" This is new, so those who follow this case read carefully: The answer is "yes", the car made a stop in connection with its negotiating the on ramp to the Stemmons Freeway and it was no minor matter. (But no, no additional SS agent boarded the limo at that point). This past February, I learned of 3 witnesses who were standing at the Stemmons onramp, and who witnessed the stop. They contacted me because they were getting on in years and wanted their accounts to become part of history. Over the years (as one of them explained it to me) they became increasingly bothered that what they witnessed was not to be found in the public record. I raised funds in order to finance a small film shoot, and went to Dallas/Ft Worth and interviewed two of the witnesses. After filming individual interviews at a residence, we all went to Dealey Plaza, and then to a location about 300 yards (approx) west of the Triple Underpass, and to the spot where they were standing on November 22, 1963: (just on the other side --the north side--of the bridge carrying the north bound Stemmons lanes --i.e., the bridge carrying traffic on I-35E, northboud). There, I filmed their accounts. (For the record: No, no other agent boarded the car at that time). But there were other important developments in connection with that stop. Stay tuned). Short answer: Clint Hill knows all about the stop at the Stemmons on ramp; and so do other agents. None of this was included in their reports. This information--and these filmed interviews--will be released in connection with my future writing. It goes directly to the heart of the integrity of the reporting of key Secret Service agents of the White House Detail. Rest assured that their reports could not omit significant information without the approval of Gerald Behn, Chief of the White House Detail, and James Rowley, Chief of the U.S. Secret Service. (And frankly, I doubt that Rowley would dare omit significant information, or organize a cover-up without the approval of President Johnson). Q7: The photograph in question (with "Corham" in the background) was taken by David Miller, and there is a chapter on it in Trask's book (Pictures of the Pain). Based on my analysis, and that of another JFK researcher, the foot is neither that of Clint Hill nor of President Kennedy. Stay tuned. Final statement: Clint Hill (and others) have made a decision not to "get involved" or make further statements about this case during their lifetime. They don't want to see this case re-opened, and they don't want the legal complications that could result. Clint Hill (and the others) are now involved in what I call "The race to the cemetery." They are more interested in their 401(k)'s than in the truth. Sorry, but that's the way it is, so when you see Clint Hill behaving like a hero back on 11/22/63, and getting all those well deserved plaudits (and I certainly saw him in that light, until a few years ago) keep in mind how this story is going to end: that now, over age 80, Clint Hill has made his decision as to what to do next. And the answer (apparently) is nothing. As Vince Palamara recently pointed out to me, Hill said on C-Span that he actually burned his original notes. IMHO: Clinton Hill is no longer interested in truth in history. His top priority is his own personal welfare. Properly questioned before a federal Grand Jury (which is where I believe he belongs), I believe he would face some very difficult choices. DSL 5/7/16 - 7:35 p.m. PDT Los Angeles, California Edited by David Lifton Sincerely & best to all, Brad Milch

Howdy, James Having gone through a lot of my material I saved from old Lancer posts (in between dealing with the unexpected experiences of existing in two homeless shelters), I found little that I considered usable to you & your team's efforts. Most of what I found resembles the portions of discussions that David Von Pein is fond of posting on his JFK blogs. Unlike David's excerpts, the fear of hidden malicious code exists in my little personal library. For those reasons, I held off sending any of that material to James while I was distracted. I expect JFK researchers, students & hobbyists to applaud David Von Pein's efforts as time progresses. In the event of a catastrophicic loss, David's excerpts may be all that remains. Perhaps this possibility will encourage others to make their own mini-JFK forum libraries. Whatever sick minds ambushed & murdered Lancer online still flourish globally. If any satisfaction can be gained from the sordid experience, it just may be that most of the authors & subject matter Lancer produced still live & have not been silenced. I truly hope that some of the topics I remembered published at Lancer in the discussions I had with author Larry Hancock were helpful, particularly with Lancer readers who may have read those topics & forgotten about them in their search for truthful answers to the mysterious ambush & deaths of JFK, J.D. Tippit & Lee Oswald. Sincerely, Brad Milch

At present, it is not known what air traffic activity occurred at Love Field after the assassination. A total list is not known of any civilian or military planes that flew in or out before, during & post assassination; what their destinations & missions were. Such info has never been released to the global public in the 53 years since the Dallas crimes occurred. Keep in mind that Carswell AFB was just a few minutes away from Dallas. Military bases that were active in 1963 saturated the state of Texas. Their business & missions are not generally known by the public for obvious reasons. Where is the media coverage of the crowds that expected JFK to return to Love Field while alive & dead? Where were the TV cameras covering LBJ's historic swearing in of the Presidential oath of office? How can the MSM miss a story of that magnitude 53 years ago? The full story of the phantom C-130 that transported JFK's death limo & the SS followup car 'Queen Mary' out of Dallas has yet to be revealed or if any photos of the death limo were taken aboard that Charleston AFB aircraft that day. The reference to JFK being transported somewhere in an ambulance on the DPD police audio tapes is still a matter of intrigue. As time moves forward, I expect David Lifton to take the lead (and the heat) on the JFK body shell game that allegedly transpired after his violent death when David releases his next blockbuster, 'Final Charade' & his evidence of Lee Oswald being murdered at Parkland becomes readable around the globe (David discussed this & other explosive topics with a friend & Brent Holland on Brent's Nov 27, 2016 2 part episode of 'Night Fright Show' (posted at YouTube). I also expect Mr. Lifton to suffer a crucifixion agenda for his efforts by those aligned with the MSM 'Dark Side' comparable to what our Savior experienced centuries ago. First will be silence, then the ammo will fly online, on TV, radio & other communication mediums; all aimed at David Lifton & his supporters. I suspect David Lifton expects this & is prepared. BTW, not everyone is Internet savory or willing to use their credit/debit cards online for fear of the extremely real threat of identity theft. It's Christmas & many cannot afford the DVD or lack equipment to view such media. Just coming out of a almost 2 month stay at two separate homeless shelters in Louisiana, I can assure readers that the last thing on a homeless person's mind will be purchasing DVD's, particularly at Christmas time. A trend that is rooted back to Jim Garrison & his Clay Shaw trial (when Big Jim allowed bootleg copies of the Zapruder film to circulate among colleges & then active JFK researchers), JFK researchers, students, educators, hobbyists & unbiased journalists often help others keep discussions active by sharing research materials online in a number of ways. One way is to upload a video to YouTube & classify it as 'private' & let select individuals know the password so that they can watch or download it. A purposely mis-titled video can sometimes slide for a few days at the Tube. ('Hey folks, check out the video about monster shrimp [really 'A Coup In Camelot'] at such & such link at YouTube: xxxxxxxxx' often is used & works to help get materials out to the community. Expect the account created to post such material to be deleted. Some might upload the video to a G-Drive account & post a link. The link may stay up for a few days until complainers force Google to kill the link. Once JFK community researchers & hobbyists gain access to a converted, downloadable, low quality digital video file version of the DVD video, most email services will send it (if the file is not too big) & the recipient should be able to download it with ease. The video file can be renamed anything before & after. Popular email file formats include mp4, wmv, avi, flv, mov, mpeg & mpg, among others that small in file size with decent video & audio quality. The time & effort put into 'A Coup In Camelot' won't do a bit of good if it is not watched, analyzed & discussed IMHO. The film makers & interviewees will still pocket the big bucks (if they haven't already) when low quality bootleg versions circulate online to help get the video's message out to the masses.. Those that desire the HQ original marketed material can always easily find, purchase & add that to their personal libraries, regardless of low quality, inferior copies that circulate online to keep the discussions active. Sincerely, Brad Milch

@David Von Pein: I vaguely recall such a feature at the original Lancer Forum. I believe I accidentally stumbled upon it one visit while searching for old threads. It was a nice feature that took me (as a lurker) directly to the last post of a particular topic, where I could work up to where I left off quickly, as I recall. @James Gordon: I haven't forgotten you. In between moving, I'm screening what I saved back in Lancer's glory day. Some of it is a mess. Evidently, I would save discussion from several JFK Forums in some Word Documents while other documents were dedicated solely to Lancer posts. For example: the 'phantom railroad detective' topic might have comments from Lancer, Deep Politics Forum, alt jfk, JFK Facts, Dale Meyers & any other JFK website I may have bumped into at the time. It will take me time to weed out the non-Lancer stuff. Please be patient with me. If I had known hacking was occurring to Lancer, I would have saved stuff much differently. For lack of a better description, what I have in my online JFK files resembles Christopher Columbus returning to Spain & presenting Queen Isabella not with neat, organized bundles of goodies that Chris & his boys took from the inhabitants (by executing most of them) of each stop he made on the 1st of his voyages; instead Isabella would be looking at one big heap of stuff jumbled together; a mountain of gold, mixed with exotic birds, fruits, trinkets, foods, soil samples, etc.. In Columbus' case, he had a good excuse: Chris & the fellows had been smoking the ship's hemp ropes & were buzzing around the ocean hopelessly lost. In my case, my excuse is that I didn't know Lancer was destined to be a hacking victim. It may be less time consuming for James Gordon to go with the Wayback material supplied by David Von Pein & leave my stuff for last. Also, there is bound to be others that saved discussions from Lancer besides me that may have saved them as complete HTML files (something I didn't know how to save at the time). That would be superior material to work with imho. I didn't save things exactly as they appeared on Lancer; I would save discussions according to its main topic in Word Documents & place them in a folder from the year I saved each topic Word Document; I didn't save according to website source. Any particular thread might have a different title than what I saved the content as I titled it. Also, when the discussions deviated off topic, I sometimes placed the deviations in different Word Documents than the one I started with. For example, if Bill Miller was talking about the Z-film & responders started talking about something else, sometimes the 'something else' would be saved in a different Word Document than the one I titled 'Z-Film research'. At other times, I'd catch the thread just as I saw & read it. In between commenters would be their names & the date their comments/thread photos were posted. My JFK online files go back into the mid 1990's, so I started screening before I upload to Google drive (for James) at year 2010 because I thought April of 2010 was when the website was originally hacked (the Lancer blog entries that are viewable online end after the 1st week of April 2010). From Jerry Dealey's comments above, it appears the hackers stayed at it all the way into 2013. He would know if the Lancer blog was active after April, 2010. I can't help but wonder how many other Lancer visitors saw the original Lancer Forum while it was under cyber attack & mistakenly thought the website was being re-organized 'behind the scenes' & that's what all the thread movements & deletions was all about. IOW, the appearance of normal internal website construction. I wish I had suspected foul play was taking place & had taken screen grabs of the changes before the server error message became a permanent view of the murdered forum (to help James & his cyber wizards put Humpty (Lancer) back together & back up on the wall again). I'll never forget the mess I saw online at Lancer. It must be a supreme challenge for James Gordon & his team to attempt to fix the damage. Several friends have told me privately that James Gordon & his aides should consider making a memorial page showing the visible damage done to the Lancer Forum (something along the lines of the Oklahoma City bombing memorial, where pieces of the original Murray building are built into the entire memorial) to demonstrate the difference before & after the cyber attack. This would serve as a constant reminder that Lancer represented free speech & that free speech was attacked & rendered silent to a global public by unknown & unpunished hackers. Although not much info about the attack is available online at the moment (other than the discussions in this thread), much discussion is taking place in classrooms globally, particularly by those who look upon the attack on Lancer as visible proof that a corrupt entity (that many feel exists somewhere in the USA & elsewhere in the world) was determined to have the final say on the death of JFK, employing the same method used to rob JFK of his life & Presidency 53 years ago: violence. It's just a matter of time before what happened to Lancer is added to the growing list of abuses hurled against those that don't support the official Government explanations of what happened to JFK 53 years ago & who was responsible. The hacking of Lancer is as significant as the Nazi burning of books in Hitler's day. I find Jerry Dealey's experience before, during & after the continuous cyber attack particularly intriguing; Mr. Dealey was not only in the line of fire, he was a target too. Jerry should be the one primarily sought after by interviewers. He was the poor soul catching the fire directed at Lancer. Esteemed JFK interviewers that come to my mind immediately include Len Osanic, Jefferson Morley & Brent Holland. There is nothing I know of preventing the Sixth Floor Museum from interviewing Jerry Dealey for the museum's online oral history collection (posted at YouTube); JFK Lancer Forum was often used as an online message board to display messages (relayed from intermediaries) from the Museum's then curator, the late Gary Mack (Larry Dunkle). The Museum was very aware of JFK Lancer's existence & demise. The cyber attacks against the original Lancer Forum were no way to treat a fine lady (Debra Conway), her dedicated moderators, author Larry Hancock, an interested global public & Debra's many members & visitors that invested a good chunk of their lives & souls into making Lancer THE JFK forum to visit on a regular basis at the time it existed, untarnished, online. In many ways, the ambush & death of Lancer resembles the ambush & death of JFK. The questions after both attacks are identical: who did it & why? Brad Milch

All good stuff on Decker you have assembled in your thread, Wade. Joan Mellen briefly shines the spotlight back on Decker in her new book that mentions the license plate numbers in the car park behind the grassy knoll privacy fence being recorded & later 'lost' when given it initial investigators. Much more info will be available on this subject when the Lancer Forum restoration is complete. For me, the red flags start back roughly 30 years earlier than the JFK assassination to when Decker was involved in another famous ambush: Bonnie & Clyde. The person supplying location tracking info (that made the fatal ambush possible) to the posse & B&C family gathering data to Decker's boss that made the Sower's attempted ambush of B&C possible the year before the deadly ambush occurred in Louisiana: J. Edgar Hoover. Imagine Decker as the sheriff of a small town you live in, Wade. One day, while you're out working the farm on your tractor, neighbors tell you there was a shooting in town. The shooting occurred between the sheriff's county jail & a car park the sheriff managed for his employees. The sheriff's deputies, jailers, secretaries & other sheriff employees park their cars in this same parking area when they report for work. The shooting victims were the President of the USA & the Governor of your state. Your county sheriff was in the street at the base of the car park (hidden by a privacy fence) during the shooting. The sheriff was a passenger in your town's Chief of Police's personal car that had stopped in the street during the shooting. The car was roughly 5 car lengths ahead of the victims car. Instead of chasing after the shooter(s), the sheriff hightails it out of the crime scene with the Chief of Police & orders his men on the radio to report to the area (above the same spot your sheriff had just vacated with your town's chief of police) & 'hold everything secure' as he leaves the scene. Your town's sheriff arrives at the hospital the victims were driven to & does what? Sit on his hands? Now, toss into the mix that witnesses on site at the crime scene (and some who left it) believe the shooter(s) was somewhere in your town's sheriff's car park near a privacy fence. Next, add that one of your town's sheriff deputies (Eugene Boone) finds the rifle believed to be used by the shooter. Boone doesn't find the rifle in the car park area he & his fellow officers were ordered to & 'hold secure'. Nope, Boone finds the rifle in a nearby building on an upper floor. Does something smell fishy to you, Wade? Would you vote 'yes' to re-elect your town's sheriff after his post shooting performance or contact your state & Federal representatives & ask them to investigate your town's sheriff, Wade? If you were told the WC was representing your concerns, did the WC satisfy you or did it appear to you that the WC let your town's sheriff 'slip thru the cracks'? Best wishes, Brad Milch Tidbits & Resources: Bonnie & Clyde history topics were always of interest for book reports & speeches when I was in High School (way back in the days of Lincoln, Cleopatra, Ponce De Leon & Moses...Not!) During the late 1960's, it was one of the few JFK ambush related subjects I could present to my teachers & classmates without being called on the carpet for 'spreading communist propaganda' via JFK CT books (I had to leave out the Bill Decker connection to JFK's ambush). I never tire of B&C history. A quick guide to help those interested in learning more, quickly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I2LUS0KJso (actual footage of the B&C death car photographed shortly after the crime duo were ambushed as photographed by one of the posse members [Ted Hinton] that killed them. The position the bodies are seen in was staged; both criminals fell out of each door when posse members opened them after assuring themselves B&C were dead. The video description has an excellent, brief synopsis of B&C's ambush & the events that preceded & followed it, including B&C's separate funerals & Ruth Warren's battle in Federal court to re-gain possession of her stolen B&C 'death car'. http://bonnieandclydehistory.blogspot.com/ (This is THE blog to learn Bonnie & Clyde history from. Warning: the Blogmaster has an annoying habit of using double & triple exclamation points & periods that will drive one's PC spell checker crazy. The Blogmaster advises visitors to steer clear from the book 'Go Down Together'; a book that he describes as light on facts, heavy on garbage (particularly the unsubstantiated Bonnie Parker orgy junk). The blog offers for sale Dallas Field Office File# 26-4114, that contains documents & photos concerning J. Edgar Hoover's involvement in the ambush & deaths of B&C (for those who cannot find it online anywhere else). The FBI home page used to offer the file & its contents for free). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgmkrziupA0 (A nice slideshow of colorized Bonnie & Clyde photos that are handy for high school & college reports & projects). http://tmethvin.com/henry/ (Homepage dedicated to Henry Methvin, the last Clyde Barrow gang member & the one who informed on B&C through a relative that ended the lives of B&C; the same couple that had rescued Methvin from a Texas prison farm just a few months prior to their execution in Louisiana). A true rat fink... Years later, Methvin would be run over by a train) Tidbits: Bill Decker was flown to Louisiana in a small charted plane to view the bodies of B&C at their autopsy. Graphic photos of Decker standing next to & behind Bonnie & Clyde can be easily found on the Internet via any search engine. They are disturbing. Even after suffering a horrific death, in which Bonnie Parker was 'shot to pieces', Bonnie was beautiful. On display at the Henry ford museum is a letter allegedly written by Clyde Barrow. In the letter, Clyde tells Mr. Ford senior how much he admires the Ford flathead v-8 engine; an admiration that motivates Clyde to 'steal them whenever he can find them'. A letter written by Bonnie Parker (as composed by Clyde Barrow) that was sent to B&C gang member Raymond Hamilton as he sat in the Dallas County jail 1 month before B&C were ambushed & killed recently went up for auction for serious big bucks. One's search engine should provide results on the auction's outcome.

Kathy & David: [brad, humbly kneels before the two powers, meekly squeaking out the words, "I'm not worthy" & types]: Thank you for the info. I'm getting demands for Jerry Dealey's head on a plate in personal emails. As an EF member, please give the man a chance before demanding his crucifixion. In the world of computers & the Internet, things aren't always what they may seem to be. Keep in mind that a server has the capability to do weird things after it has been improperly shut down (such as losing power abruptly with no back up power source installed & operational). In attempting to complete the tasks the server was attempting to complete when the initial disruption occurred, weird things can & do happen when the server is booted back up. In the instruction I received from Uncle Sam educators, system administrators & analysts at that time (early 2000's) couldn't tell exactly what a server would do using a number of different operating systems after recovering from improper shutdown. For Mr. Dealey: If I caused you any grief over anything I wrote or may have implied in this thread, I humbly apologize & ask for your forgiveness. I tried to cloak who I was referring to so as to give James Gordon & his wizard team a heads up as to what to look for in their analysis evidence. I described what I saw over repeated visits to Lancer in its final weeks the forum was visible without naming full names or leading people to draw the wrong conclusions as accurately as I could without leaving important info out. As in the 5th glade, I was tattled on (lol). I have come up with alternate analysis on my own based on past server training as to why I saw what I did & why it was visible to me & anyone else visiting Lancer's forum that does not involve a person on an administrator of the site. Servers can create their own havoc. Since both James & Larry told us the website was hacked, that indicates to me that what I saw was not the work of yours; it was the work of the hackers. For those lurking who suspect someone like Mr. Dealey of cyber assassination because of past comments or treatment between them & him when the original Lancer was alive & kicking: I ask you to give the man the benefit of the doubt & let the matter drop. Ask yourself, why would a moderator hack their own website? Focus on the online library James is building out of the old Lancer instead. It isn't easy to do what James Gordon & his team of wizards is undertaking. When James announces completion, expect to behold a modern miracle. [brad slowly rises from his knees, bows to Kathy & David & slowly walks backwards from the palace & the guards & prays he still has his head attached when he reaches the door] Brad Milch PS: 'The FBI is the lead federal agency for investigating cyber attacks by criminals, overseas adversaries, and terrorists. The threat is incredibly serious—and growing. Cyber intrusions are becoming more commonplace, more dangerous, and more sophisticated. Our nation’s critical infrastructure, including both private and public sector networks, are targeted by adversaries' Quotation taken from https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/cyber To not get involved after a cyber attack aids the attackers. A multitude of EF members are also members of another JFK forum that suffered a fairly recent cyber attack. Attack alerts were posted here at EF. That website was Deep Politics Forum. I recall conversations of that attack in other JFK forums that the attacker monkeyed around & left snarky messages at Deep Politics Forum similar to the messages I recall viewing in JFK Lancer's forum supposedly attributed to Jerry Dealey when Lancer was hacked. I mention this here because should James Gordon & Deep Politics Forum's system administer ever hook up & compare notes, between the both of them they might have the analysis evidence to determine who the hacker was at both websites.

Kathy & David: [brad, humbly kneels before the two powers, meekly squeaking out the words, "I'm not worthy" & types]: Thank you for the info. I'm getting demands for Jerry Dealey's head on a plate in personal emails. As an EF member, please give the man a chance before demanding his crucifixion. In the world of computers & the Internet, things aren't always what they may seem to be. Keep in mind that a server has the capability to do weird things after it has been improperly shut down (such as losing power abruptly with no back up power source installed & operational). In attempting to complete the tasks the server was attempting to complete when the initial disruption occurred, weird things can & do happen when the server is booted back up. In the instruction I received from Uncle Sam educators, system administrators & analysts at that time (early 2000's) couldn't tell exactly what a server would do using a number of different operating systems after recovering from improper shutdown. For Mr. Dealey: If I caused you any grief over thing I wrote or implied in this thread, I humbly apologize & ask your forgiveness. For those lurking who suspect Mr. Dealey of cyber assassination because of past comments or treatment between them & him when the original Lancer was alive & kicking: I ask you to give the man the benefit of the doubt & let the matter drop. Focus on the online library James is building out of the old Lancer instead. It isn't easy to do what James Gordon & his team of wizards is undertaking. When James announces completion, expect to behold a modern miracle. [brad slowly rises from his knees, bows to Kathy & David & slowly walks backwards from the palace & the guards & prays he still has his head attached when he reaches the door] Brad Milch PS: For those who suspect David Von Pein & I are Langley fishing buddies, again I ask you: show me the live blue ocean crabs!

Astounding, breathtaking..... You were right, David. Linear view is the way to go. I didn't even know that view was there at the original Lancer {{{{Brad hides his head in shame}}} or I would have used it. I'm afraid to look up 'computer dummy' in Webster's for fear my photo is posted under the definition as an example (crying again). According to your illustration, what I looked at back in the day was 'threaded' view. I can't help but wonder if I had been in Linear view when Lancer was attacked, if I would have seen all the thread deletions that were occurring regularly at the time that I was looking at the topic discussions in Threaded view? Divine intervention? Only the Shadow knows (lol). Looking at those names in the Lancer linear view discussion example you posted brings back a lot of memories for me, David. Debra Conway interviews with witnesses has all but been forgotten today. 'No Case To Answer', 'Someone Would Have Talked' & Bill Miller dominated much of the discussions I remember reading. You are probably right, David. What I'm in the process of screening through to send to James & his team of wizards doesn't come close to looking as nice as your posted examples. Your examples catch things I didn't copy & paste, providing James' restoration wizards much more usable data for analysis than what I captured in my Word documents. May I make a request? When you have time, can you find any examples just like you posted in linear or tree (threaded) view from around early April, 2010? The JFK Lancer blog apparently was active then. The blog entries cease after April 2010. The mass deletions & snarky comments I saw should be close to that time frame of early April, 2010. I'm waiting for that Dealey character (or his imposter) to pop up. His stuff (or his imposter) is going to raise a lot of eyebrows & red flags if just a portion of his posts that I saw are available online at the places you indicated or when James's teams of wizards find them in their Lancer restoration endeavor. Similar to the rifle left behind in the TSBD, I believe the 'cyber assassin' that murdered the original Lancer Forum also left behind evidence in the deletions & snarky comments that person placed on Lancer's (and Larry Hancock's) server. From my Federal service days & a couple of classes on a couple server operating systems, I was taught that a server can actually 'murder itself' by improperly being shut down (such as a loss of power). The operating simply goes crazy & is capable of many weird things. James & his wizards know that kind of stuff far better than a couple of server classes could ever have taught me. In this case, the fingerprints that the server is not the culprit are the messages left behind following the deletions, such as 'you've been warned about posting your garbage in this forum'. Those messages, I believe, were made by the cyber assassin that deserves to be in prison for murdering JFK Lancer. Anybody that accuses you of being part of the Langley boys, just refer them to me, David. Anyone with half a brain knows those fellows spend most of their day after lunker bass in the beautiful lakes of Virginia & West Virginia. I've heard lots of them suffer from massive chigger bite attacks when skipping out from their workload (lol). You simply don't have time to be out fishing with those Langley boys with all you manage to do online, David. Folks that think that way need to 'get real' before they also get listed under 'Internet dummy' in Webster's next to my name (smile). For folks that think that way of me, I ask them: show me the blue ocean crabs, not lunker bass. A true Cajun won't waste their day on 1 or 2 big fish when they might catch 4 or 5 dozen crabs that will feed a LOT of little Cajuns (lol). No fishing with the Langley boys for Brad either. Your illustrations have brought fresh air into this entire conversation, David. EF members & visitors can now see visually what the Lancer Restoration is all about. They can now 'see' the original Lancer Forum as it was & what James Gordon tells us his wizards will make much better & more secure. My opinion of you, David? Use this portion of the thread & a couple posts above as examples & notice how the conversation shifted from my vague, confusing descriptions of what Lancer used to look like to the illustrations of the real deal David provided everyone Those that fight you verbally are like those that try to exclude you from conversations or avoid your JFK online media visuals & other cool stuff (like your old movie & TV collections). Those folks only cheat themselves. This conversation would have been cheated had you not joined in, David. Because folks were not cheated, they learned something. They received education they were not cheated out of. The fundamental difference between you & I, David, is simply that I suffered from 'TMR' (too much Rodgers) & you weren't stuck in her 5th grade class; therefore, you suffer from TLR (too little Rodgers) lol. Other than that, I admire the heck out of you & your many, many gifted smarts, David. I'm not strong enough to face what you face with the strength you have without buckling & collapsing. John Lennon used to ask his fans to 'Give Peace A Chance'. I never had any problems at all with John. You ask people to 'give the evidence a chance'. As unpopular as it may make me in some circles, I don't have a problem with that request, or you, Mr. Von Pein. You are da man! Go, David, Go! Brad PS: From my personal email comments, I know a lot of diverse people are following this thread closely. I obviously can't tell folks what to think, but since I can post at EF & lurkers can't, may I offer a bit of advice to those jumping way ahead of James Gordon & David Von Pein & me in an attempt to locate 'cyber assassins' that from what little I was taught about servers, a server can be capable of executing itself simply by being improperly turned off. This causes the operating system to go berserk & create havoc even the best of server analysts would have trouble figuring out what happened. This is especially true when the server boots back up. The multitude of things the server was doing when it crashed or was improperly shut down, the calculations, the commands & a whole lot more (that are accomplished in less time than the blink of an eye) can often create a lot of weird things that are visible either immediately, or as time progresses. With that in mind, please take my prior comments with a grain of salt & allow James Gordon & his team of wizards to complete their restoration & analysis. In my mind, chasing shadows takes a back seat to the new library James & his crew are building out of the old Lancer website. What James & his team create is more important than who (if anyone) killed JFK Lancer. It is quite possible JFK Lancer's server killed itself. In the meantime, the illustrations that David Von Pein posted of the original Lancer & the places one can obtain more are priceless. They will take a person back in time & allow them to visit a portion of JFK Lancer just as it look when those thread pages were saved. I'd suggest focusing there & not bother James, his team & others with speculation about 'cyber assassins'; instead I suggest doing what I intend to do as time permits: research how one should react to a cyber attack, who to go to for help & what one can do to assist the technicians & analysts attempting to pick everything back up & get the server on its feet again. Brad Milch Brad

@David Von Pein Does that mean James' wife is not going to see him anymore because she can't get him away from those screen captures & old forum threads, David? (lol) Wow! When you knock a ball out of the park, it must sail for miles.... Thank You, David. Don't be surprised if folks reading your tech wisdom start freezing in place & gawking at you in public as if you were Moses walking past them with the tablets from the mountain still smoking (lol). I looked at the computer science wizards that very same way back in my college days & I was struggling to put together a basic PowerPoint presentation for a grade (crying). Brad

@ David Von Pein: David posted: 'FWIW / FYI.... Here's an example of the "tree" formatting Brad just spoke of (screen capture saved via the Wayback Machine at Archive.org on April 29, 2005): JFKLancerForum.com/topic-id=17758 But the "tree" method wasn't the only way to view Lancer forum threads. You could also opt to switch to the "Linear Mode" for viewing the forum's threads (which is the method I always used, because I found it much easier and less confusing). I don't think any linear views of any threads have been archived by the Wayback Machine, however. Edited by David Von Pein' Way to go, David!!! Your visual knocked the ball out of the park with bases loaded! Thank you, Sir. The visual shows exactly what I was trying to convey to Larry Hancock in non-computer speak words. You saved the day for me, David. Believe it or not, David, in all my many visits to the Lancer Forum (as a silent lurker), I was unaware of the linear view. I never used it because I didn't know that option was even there. I am quickly becoming a big fan of your online computer skills, David. From this moment on, I promise to either try and rescue you if Mrs. Rodgers sends you out into her hallway (or at least bring my desk out there & suffer with you LOL) I kinda halfway expect when James & his folks finish their Lancer restoration, folks globally will start keeping the thread topics in some format similar to screen grabs (or even primitive means like I used with Word documents). You may have unknowingly launched a new career field, David. For lack of a better name, I'll call it 'website sitting' for now (lol). Many thanks, distinguished & esteemed Sir, Brad Milch PS: Using David's illustration, imagine yourself returning to Lancer to copy into a Word document the newest additions to the thread (in 'tree' mode) and looking at a multitude of post deletions at different places on the entire thread. In the original post's place would be messages such as 'deleted by moderator/administrator', 'moved to the trash bin', 'locked as hostile content', etc. That's what I was seeing at the lancer Forum for several weeks until the 'server error' message appeared. Sometimes I would see snarky comments, such as 'You have been warned about posting your garbage in this Forum. Go back to the playground & sell your drugs there. Dealey' I don't know if I kept any of that stuff or not. I'll find out in time after I finish uploading what I saved & get in into James' hands. I remember seeing a lot of it. Gradually, the entire Forum became nothing but tree deletions. I remember wondering 'what's up with this Dealey character?' There may be clues in what I saved that may tell us in time who did this horrendous crime to Lancer, Larry Hancock, Debra & her sister Sherry & all others behind the original JFK Lancer website. Until Larry Hancock informed me here at EF, I wasn't aware I was looking at a hacked website when it died & these many years following. In time, I hope to learn a good deal on what the global public can do about witnessing a website hack in progress or the aftermath of a cyber attack; who to contact for help, etc. If I see something like what I saw happening to Lancer again, I know now to make screengrabs to help the technician wizards recover their loss & repair it as well as proper authorities catch & punish whoever broke into the 'cyber home' & murdered the occupants 'living' at website.

@Larry & James Gordon: Larry, do you know precisely when JFK Lancer was hacked? Apparently, little or no info on the cyber attack Lancer suffered is available on the Internet. From my own searching, the Lancer Blog was active until April, 2010. Did any Government entities take action following the cyber attack & destruction of Lancer? I could find no mention of the JFK Lancer website, JFK Lancer Forum, Debra Conway or EF's JFK Lancer Restoration in Wikipedia; apparently others have not updated that site. Apparently, those following MSM & domestic & foreign government Intel abuses are interested in what happened to Lancer & what can someone do to seek remedy after a website is destroyed by a cyber attack. This includes those that teach college courses on Government, MSM, Radio-TV-Film production & a host of other topics, as well as their students. Personal email inquiries are asking. This question assumes answers does not breech the security of the ongoing JFK Lancer restoration by EF computer wizards & genius counterparts. It would not surprise me if James DiEugenio does an expose in the near future of the sudden demise of Lancer to add to his rigged CBS TV News Specials exposes. Pat Speer should add it to his website as well. If you provide any info not harmful to the ongoing Lancer restoration effort & post it, that info will be seen by a multitude of persons globally & will probably also get listed in Google, Bing & other search engines rather quickly. I expect interest in the fate of JFK Lancer to grow dramatically as more info is obtainable on the Internet. Also of interest: when did your website get hacked & what happened afterword? Who are the authorities you went to after suffering a cyber attack & what were the results in your case? @James: I've pulled what I can find of the thread copies I made of the original Lancer Forum discussions off my external hard drive(s) that I have located & the total file sizes fall between 144Mb to 1.8 Gb. I expect this number to thin down dramatically. Before I go looking for the thread animated Gif's that I saved separately (I couldn't get them to copy & paste into Word documents at the time), I'll start uploading those files to a Google drive & provide you with access info in Private Message. Just change the password & the entire drive will be yours to do as you please, with no connection to me. 144 Mb shouldn't take that much time to upload to Google drive. Best, Brad Milch

I apologize sincerely for the multiple deletions, James. I couldn't think of any other way to get Larry & myself on the same page & the focus back on the EF Lancer restoration guru's that are performing a modern miracle in their Lancer restoration. Had Larry returned & saw all my posts deleted (with a message explaining I had deleted them), that is how Lancer looked in its final days to me. Multiple deletions after multiple deletions from an administrator using the name 'Dealey' (or someone impersonating him). For Larry: in my example, EF wasn't hacked, nor did its server pick up a virus. My deletions came from my own keyboard. The difference in my EF example & Lancer is that in this thread, you can still see your posts & those of the other contributors. Just my posts have been deleted. At Lancer at the end, everyone's post in the thread would eventually be deleted until all threads visible were deleted. The Forum stayed like that for least a week, possibly two each time I visited the Lancer Home page & clicked on the 'enter Forum' button. Nothing there but deleted threads. After a week or two, the 'empty server drive' message appeared when trying to enter the Lancer Forum. James, I copied Lancer threads into Word documents for several years. Allow me some time to get my relocation effort stabilized & I'll be glad to share them with you in the most efficient, fastest manner possible. At the moment, not having reviewed those files in years & not knowing total file size, I'm thinking along the lines of mailing you a flash memory stick with all that material copied onto it. This would necessitate a reliable mail system delivery to get from me to you (does one still exist? lol). Another option is for me to upload what I have to a Google drive account & send you the folder url or give you access to the account via private PM. You could close the account after downloading or keep it open if you desire to share the folder contents. Just change the password. If you can think of a better way, please advise. I consider it an honor to participate in the revival of Lancer, a place I spent many hours visiting online over the years & learned a lifetime full of info concerning the assassination of President Kennedy. I have no doubts in my mind that the Souls that left us would appreciate their work & words being read again by those who missed it the 1st time around. I do hope the EF members & visitors that followed this conversation realize that hacking into a website's server is not a harmless prank, it's as serious as actually murdering a human to me. I'm sorry this pulled you away from your work, James. Will you smooth things with Kathy for me? I still have deep scars from the last time she bit into me for deleting stuff (lol). I can't think of anyone more deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize or Pulitzer at the moment than you & your staff & your global humanitarian & educational efforts, James. Perhaps your members & visitors could let those good people know about you & your staff just in case they haven't a clue. With deepest respect to you & those that assist you here at EF, I remain Sincerely yours, Esteemed Sir Brad Milch PS: I don't remember if I copied each entire thread, or just the portions that appealed to me. Like all websites, Lancer had those that routinely rubbed the public the wrong way, so I doubt I kept their particular posts. I'll know when I review what I saved. Also, the animated Gif's I remember saving separately because I had trouble copying & pasting them into Word documents. I'll get those items included as well. The photos probably are included with the text; I rarely had trouble coping thread photos into Word.

Should I delete all that stuff, Larry? I still have scars from the last time I deleted stuff. Brad

Larry: If it helps the techs in their analysis any, may I offer to you & them this: You recall how Lancer looked when a visitor entered the Forum. You may remember the individual thread topics would have sub threads connected to them (kinda like what an online genealogy ancestry tree looks like)? These sub threads would extend the entire length of the topic. Sometimes mini-sub threads would be visible connected to a portion of the main thread 'tree'. This was individual responses to specific contributors as opposed to responding to the last post published. There could be many of these. When I visited the forum, I would look for new additions to the main thread 'tree' so as to update the word documents I was keeping on the thread topic. I don't recall any mention of Debra Conway suffering from health problems at the time. At times she would post updates to upcoming events, such as the Lancer Conference. In her place, as administrator, after Sherry was a fellow who went by the name 'Dealey'. I gave some bio info on him earlier that I read on his profile. When I first noticed the main thread & all its extensions & sub threads being deleted, I thought it was this fellow 'Dealey' putting the axe to the posts because I'd see what was supposedly his snarky responses to contributors complaining that their posts had been deleted or moved by 'Dealey'. To me, it looked like 'Dealey' was destroying the website for some unknown reason. It was a shock to me to learn the website had been a hacking victim. All this time I was unaware of that fact. The last time I visited Lancer when it had a Forum full of subject 'trees', all of them were empty & a notice that 'topic removed' or 'topic locked' or 'topic deleted' was at the top of the main thread. I seem to remember 'deleted by Administrator Dealey' visible (or something similar). This lasted for a short period of time, perhaps as long as a week or two. The forum stayed visible to me with nothing there but a lot of empty subject 'trees' & deletion messages on each former topic thread. Then the forum disappeared for good and an 'empty drive' server message appeared. I don't remember anyone online discussing that Lancer had been hacked. Because there were no topics visible to read & retain for future reference, I visited the Education Forum & lurked here for awhile. I stayed because Jack White & Bill Miller were having some colossal battles over the authenticity of the JFK ambush visuals, particularly the Z-film. They could be funny as hell (lol). Not being an EF member, I couldn't view their supporting visuals, so I asked some friends who were EF members to download them & send them to me in private email. I still have them somewhere in the quagmire I call my 'JFK research materials' (it resembles a bottomless pit). I hope that stuff helps. I wish I had known what was going on behind the scenes & I could have saved some screen grabs of Lancer as it was being hacked to death. Jack White passed on before EF accepted me as a member. I would have loved to have had a conversation with him. I admired him & his visual analysis greatly. Best wishes, Brad Milch PS: Tinker & I connect back to Bill Clinton (Slick Willie passed up the opportunity to keep Kelly AFB open by not vetoing the BRAC decision to close the base). The devastating effect that had on hundreds of career civialian Kelly AFB Federal workers cannot be briefly described; families separated & divorced, homes were lost, neighborhoods disrupted, Federal careers ended by resignation & early retirements, etc. I learned from that experience that Government jobs are territorial. When sent out of one's normal work environment into a different workplace with people who don't know or trust the newcomers & who grew up together, went to the same schools, married into each other's families, they aren't always glad to see a newcomer pop up in their midst, particularly if they've been waiting for promotions for a long time & the newcomer has more education, training, time in service, etc. than they do. Viewed as a career threat, the work environment for the newcomer can now become hostile; almost like facing a demon on a day to day basis. It’s a case of ‘them’ versus ‘us’. Many buckle under the pressure & constant ‘back-stabbing’ & resign or retire early. I was in that group. This is why Hillary will never earn my vote; her husband tossed me and hundreds like me to the wind like a piece of dead meat after several decades of dedicated Federal service. The wounds will never heal nor be forgotton by those who were stabbed the deepest. Apparently, turning backs on Federal employees runs in the blood of both Clintons. The first cut is the deepest, Hillary. Brad Milch

Your memories of Lancer's final days are spot on, Larry. I remember those discussions too. Lots of participation in how a 6th floor shooter that was seen by several Dealey Plaza witnesses lingering around the sniper's nest got off that floor without being seen or shot by police. The Z-film was always a hot topic, with that fellow Bill Miller flooding the threads with animated Gif's of the Z-film that were distracting as holy heck. Sometimes he'd have 5 or six of them running at the same time on one page. I seem to recall Debra getting on him for that stuff. Miller would eventually torment Jack White here at EF. From Jack's posts, it was obvious that there no love between the two (lol). Jack called Miller 'visually impaired'. I remember one post concerning the subject of why didn't Jackie, the Kennedy family or the Connelly's sue the TSBD or the city of Dallas for wrongful death/attempted murder/harboring a murderer (or something along those lines) that got banned & moved rather quickly that still sticks in my memory banks. To this day, no one has yet to name the railroad detective that was reported by several witnesses to have been present on or near the triple underpass bridge during the ambush or why he was there in the 1st place. Who moved the Pullman train cars visible behind the grassy knoll privacy fence in a multitude of amateur movies & photos, why were they moved & what train did Lee Bowers ask the police to stop were all topics I recall being discussed at Lancer during its final days that have yet to be resolved. It will be interesting to see the visual results of EF's Lancer recovery completion & how the site looked on it's last healthy day of life. I hope someone will copy & paste a screenshot of it here at the EF for those who do not sign up for membership (so we can all see Lancer as it once was, again). Between your memories & mine, those that don't sign up for membership can still get a good idea of the topics being discussed at the time of Lancer's destruction effort that has now failed with EF's Lancer restoration, Larry. I can't help but wonder if that 1st cyber assassin will make a 2nd attempt with Lancer's restoration. If so, can the culprit be caught & punished this time around? Lancer, during it's glory days, was a great place to keep up with the latest discussions on the JFK case. I kept a lot of those threads so I could read them at a later date. I still have those copies. I remember a lot of discussion about your books, Larry, as well as the beginning of what morphed into Sherry Fiester's 'Enemy Of The Truth'. Come to think of it, Lancer is the only website I've ever seen after a cyber hacking attack in all my years of continuous Internet surfing. Usually, damaged websites suddenly disappear from the Internet with only a server empty drive message visible to someone that clicked on the URL. I seem to recall Lancer hanging on like a ghost ship aimlessly afloat on the ocean for a short while, with the Lancer home page banner still visible before the empty server message could be seen when trying to enter the Forum. At the time, I didn't realize I was looking at a hacked website. When I did my brief stint in Del City & Oklahoma City as a civilian DOD employee, the ground was stable; solid as a rock. I don't recall 'fracking' ever being discussed or the possibility that it causes earthquakes. I expect to hear about a lot of lawsuits when people's homes become damaged or lost due to the after effects of fracking. I do remember vivid discussions on F-4 & F-5 tornadoes. Okie co-workers explained to me that the winds are so violent that they actually explode people & animals from the sudden change in air pressure. I was assured that the death I would suffer if hit by an F-4 or F-5 tornado would be as fast as an jet aircraft crashing into a mountain at 600 mph. Thanks to my co-workers, I lost a lot of sleep my 1st year in Oklahoma (lol). I kept a small gym bag of my important documents, data discs & one change of clothes by the door of the house I rented just in case Gary England appeared suddenly on TV standing in front of a weather map of the approaching tornado. I had it down to fleeing the area in my SUV heading southeast (tornadoes generally travel northeast) within 5 minutes of Gary's face on TV. Ironically, the only funnel I've ever seen touch down occurred at Port Lavaca, Texas a year after I retired from Federal service. It was skinny (like looking at film footage of 'Twiggy') and stayed on the ground all of about 30 seconds. Not much to brag about compared to what routinely rolls thru & tears up Oklahoma. As difficult as it may be to believe, live ocean blue crabs can be bought in some Oklahoma City Asian food markets (one can take a Cajun out of Louisiana, but they'll still find ocean blue crabs wherever they are). The trick is to get there immediately after the delivery driver arrives & before the women shoppers show up & get angry at someone buying up most of the crabs for sale (trust me, you don't want to be surrounded by a mob of angry women out to buy live crabs & you're standing there with most of them in your carry bag [past nightmares return]. Not good at all....) Someday, I'd like to visit Tulsa. I never made it up Oklahoma that far Northeast. I was constantly fleeing from tornadoes Southeast (lol). I saw more of the Southeastern part of Oklahoma than I did the rest of the state when I lived & worked there a few years back. Best always to you, distinguished & esteemed Sir... Sincerely, Brad Milch

Howdy, Larry. How are things with you in the land of Carrie Underwood &Toby Keith? That was a fascinating read & also informative to all lurkers who remember & routinely visited the sudden sinking of the Lancer Titanic. As a lurker, I had no idea the website was under cyber attack & had been victimized, wounded & killed. Unlike humans that often look to find Salvation not in the concept of Heaven, but in death (radical Islamists believe this), Lancer has a chance to live again. I'm going thru another location move at the time, but I will get around in time to digging out some of my old Lancer post copies that I saved in Word documents to refresh my memory on what was being discussed when the cyber asteroid murdered the Lancer server. I am curious as to what topic hit the nerve that motivated someone to ambush & murder the Lancer Forum server. It might be these: I remember discussions on the 'phantom' train one of the two DPD police officers stationed on top of the triple overpass claimed to the WC was passing across the bridge during the shooting as being one of the subjects I was following when Lancer went down for good. A visual analyst communicating privately with me believes he has spotted the 'phantom' train (or the parked Pullman train cars behind Mr. Zapruder & Ms. Sitzman) in the parade car side reflections visible in the Zapruder film. I expect his work will be appearing on YouTube soon. Another topic was the parking lot behind the privacy fence on the North grassy knoll being managed by Bill Decker & his employees parked cars being at the location many believed the shot that killed JFK originated from. I just recently contributed comments to a thread about Bill Decker's possible role in the LHO rifle being brought into the TSBD to be 'found' from some of that discussion at the old Lancer I was reading at the time. Joan Mellen mentions the person that collected license plates numbers of the cars parked behind the privacy fence that were 'lost' in her new book. I recall that info being discussed at Lancer. Also that the cars were not searched in the Bill Decker employee car park. Perhaps in time, future researchers/authors will draw attention to the fact that JFK was caught between Bill Decker's county jail & the North knoll Bill Decker employee car park when he was ambushed & murdered, connect those dots to Bill Decker's involvement with J. Edgar Hoover in another famous ambush (Bonnie & Clyde), a Bill Decker deputy (Eugene Boone) supposedly 'finding' the LHO murder weapon in the TSBD away from the area his boss (Bill Decker) ordered his employees to report to & 'hold secure' on Jesse Curry's police radio & connect that to Decker's suspicious behavior immediately after the shooting (he hightailed it out of the crime scene when he could have dismounted Jesse Curry's car at the base of the grassy knoll on Elm Street, run up the embankment & led his men in the search for an assassin instead of ordering his men on Curry's police radio to report to that area & hold it secure in his absence) & take the JFK story to a different level than it's been before for old & new global students of the assassination of President Kennedy. If Lancer was murdered to keep those topics quiet, that effort has failed here with these words at the Education Forum. Take that, cyber meanies!!! Besides being a gorgeous woman, Debra Conway routinely proved that she was one smart, tough lady to tackle a subject as complex as the JFK assassination. My heart will always be open to her & my desires for her good health will always be channeled privately to the One that put us both here in global Disneyland & programmed our lives accordingly. Best, Brad Milch

As a former Lancer lurker during its life span, I missed out on the internal stuff that may have been going on, Larry. Private PM's & the like. Other lurkers missed out on that stuff as well. If hacking alerts were published online at that time, they were not visible to lurkers like me. What I remember in Lancer's death spiral was what visually was a huge mess that resembled a bunch of plucked grapes with only the various vines/stems that held the grapes visible in the forum. Those were the deleted/moved posts. A series of complaints would usually follow with the real administrator (or an imposter) sometimes responding before the contributors' complaints were also deleted or moved. The person claiming to be deleting/moving the posts was either using the name 'Dealey' or was an imposter posing as him. Nothing was visible of the forum when death occurred. The trouble started when Debra Conway stopped posting. The Forum ran as smooth as a clock when Debra & her sister Sherry were captains; when their posts stopped the trouble began big time. If what I saw online was the work of hackers, they were mighty good. They preceded Chinese & Russian hackers long before the Trump/Clinton Presidential runs of 2016. I saved a lot of Lancer posts before & during its fall from grace. I can't help but wonder how much of that material was real or artifacts of gremlin hackers. I now wonder how much damage to my PC & files I may have picked up while lurking. So far, none of my spyware, malware or anti-virus programs have detected anything wrong on my PC or my JFK files. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if NSA & below knows the moment I'm online & follows my every move (lol). I wonder how many Kendra Lust fans I created within their ranks during my surfing adventures (lol). The fact that someone could salvage the mess I looked at online at the old Lancer after its horrific cyber attack is nothing short of a modern miracle. They deserve breakfast with Bill Gates. Be sure to have Bill pick up the tab; he's pocketed a lot of my former dollars over the years when Internet surfing became hot & fashionable (sigh). Best, Brad Milch

To EF administrators, members & visitors: The original post I had placed here, I failed to copy when I deleted it, so please consider this explanation of why it's not here now. Hopefully, I'll be cut some slack for being a cyber dummy due to the fact that I'm now approaching 64 years of age & I date back to a time when there were no personal computers, Internet, cell phones or Pokémon. Please go easy on an old dinosaur! The post I made originally began a series of exchanges between myself & distinguished JFK researcher & author Larry Hancock. Those exchanges have now been restored on page 2 of this thread. I deleted them in an attempt to visually demonstrate to Larry how the JFK Lancer website Forum appeared to me as a lurker when it was attacked by cyber assassins, hacked & destroyed. Not knowing what was transpiring behind the scenes (as a lurker), what I saw online appeared to me to be the work of the then Forum administrator (or someone impersonating the administrator). That misconception has now been corrected in the exchanges on page 2 of this thread. I've also learned that Larry Hancock also had a website on the same server the original JFK Lancer Forum was on that also was the victim of a cyber attack. The last entry I have made on page 2 is in response to email inquiries I have received since this original post & the subsequent exchanges were made. Evidently, not much info is currently available online concerning the JFK Lancer website & it's original destroyed Forum. Search engines are not finding results to inquiry questions such as 'when was JFK Lancer hacked?' or 'who hacked JFK lancer?' as of this post. There's not even a mention of JFK Lancer website or Debra Conway in Wikipedia at the moment. I expect this will change quickly as interest in EF's Lancer Restoration grows and the subject spreads globally. Again, sorry for losing my original post. Go easy on me. You wouldn't bash Sir Paul McCartney for hitting a bad note once in a while, would you? I'm close to being as old as Sir Paul. I realize that's not a good excuse & leaning on Sir Paul may be viewed as a pathetic, desperate attempt for sympathy, but it's all I can think of at the moment.... Sincerely, Brad Milch

@Ramon: Are you & your volunteer peers open to suggestions or have you got your sights set on fixed target areas? A multitude of Education Forum members & visitors that are familiar with the visual reconstruction failures & deceptions in the past 53 years will probably open up their ideas to a receptive team that might pursue them. Feedback may suffer if some suspect their efforts might be a waste of time. As for the funding, the money is out there. The trick is to appeal to those who have cash flowing out their ears looking for a toy to put it in that might include their name in some fashion. If people are willing to part with $3,000 for an autographed photo of Bill Clinton or shell out $10-30 thousand dollars for 'Slick Willie' to chat with their college age kids for a few minutes, I have faith a person on a noble scientific humanitarian mission (such as your team) will obtain help. Hillary is no slouch on reeling in the cash either. Everything that's been put into this JFK case from the government to the MSN as far as reconstructions has been one sided & primarily deceptive. People historically bore of one sided fables. Best to you & your team Brad Milch

FWIW, I believe it went down more like this: J. Edgar Hoover's connection to Bill Decker begins in 1933 when Decker worked for Dallas County Sheriff Smoot Schmidt while Hoover's Bureau Of Investigation (pre-FBI) Texas & Louisiana agents begin feeding sighting info on Bonnie & Clyde to Schmidt's posse tasked with finding the crime duo & their gang & bringing them to justice. Hoover's info leads the posse into northwest Louisiana & gets them close to what would be B&C's ambush site. Decker & his boss owe Hoover a big favor... - Hoover's level to Bill Decker: 'We've got this guy floating around being impersonated that we think is working for the commies. He's been setting up a trail that leads into Cuba. We're not sure if the commies or CIA are setting this trail up. We don't want him to slip out of the USA if something big goes down against President Kennedy. We need your help to bring him in & put the squeeze on him. We've got a shooting incident planned during JFK's November visit to your city as a reason to throw up a dragnet & cuff him. We need a weapon we can quickly trace back to the guy. We need you to make it look like the guy is shooting from the TSBD so that jurisdiction & the media circus will fall on Jesse Curry to handle. We might need you to pull his plug in a pinch before the media circus gets to the county jail. Keep your boys out of it as best you can. Again, to avoid starting WWIII, we don't want this guy to give us the slip & make it appear Castro or the other commies are harboring him'. - Bill Decker to Hoover's level: 'No problem. I'll get Inspector Holmes to have someone order a rifle thru the mail & deliver it to your fella's Post Office. I'll have Holmes take the rifle before it's shipped back as 'undeliverable' & ship the rifle into the building disguised as book shipping supplies, or get one of my deputies to find it during the building search after the shooting incident if Holmes gives the rifle to him (one of Decker's boys). I like the shipping idea; we can get delivered up to the 6th floor & a couple of my boys can monkey with it (if it needs a scope mounted of anything like that). After the shooting incident, I'll have my boys report to their employee parking lot behind the privacy fence on the north grassy knoll just for CYA after the shooting incident. You know the routine: go thru the motions of looking for a shooter. My deputies won't search their own cars. My boys like that knoll privacy fence: it's good for deputy 'nooners', naps, quick whiskey sips & a private place to beat confessions out of prisoners too. We can pull your fella's plug in the building he works at or at a secluded place like a theatre to minimize collateral damage. We might need to waste a DPD officer just to make it look good. I'll keep me & my boys out of the action. It's been awhile since we ambushed Bonnie & Clyde but I still know the ropes. Let me know if you want JFK hit by one of my boys & I'll put a man on the roof of my jail.' - Hoover's level: 'That will work. Help us pull this off & we'll make it good to you'. I believe it went down more along those lines... Brad Milch PS: In my scenario, Hoover pulls LHO's plug before he can disappear in the USA & appear to be heading for or hiding in or near Cuba. Pro-CIA anti-Castro activities (such as gunrunning) LHO may have been involved with will fit into the scenario. So will most anything else. The important thing is that Hoover tampers with an active Agency operation by triggering the assassination before LHO can be said to be in Cuba at Castro's side; something that surely will trigger WWIII. Hoover & LBJ were buddies, recall. Hoover knew LBJ had no stomach for war with Castro & their big brother Soviet Union, so he cut the CIA stuff off in Dallas (presumably under the Agency's noses). Hoover doesn't stop the assassination because he hates JFK & wants his buddy LBJ in charge. Hoover is only concerned with stopping LHO from getting out of the USA before his absence can be used to give the impression LHO has joined forces with the Castro government. That impression is what the CIA is striving for in its use of LHO. Such an impression would pressure the new President (LBJ) & Congress to declare war against Cuba. That would lead to war with the Soviets. Hoover crashes the party early & pulls the plug on LHO via Decker & his boys. Give it some thought & a chance. It works.... Brad Milch