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Richard, Looks like it could be - probably is. I know that at the U. Texas El Paso, it's marked rare book collection, in-library use only. Steve Thomas

Jim, Paul Brancato and I have collaborated on this a little. Here is Jack Crichton's entry that is on page 87 of the MOWW: See: https://books.google.com/books?id=ibtADE8gMeoC&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=%22Legion+of+Merit%22+Crichton&source=bl&ots=UsV17DJRk7&sig=sw-DLTVYZL9P6SKEfsWpeLEhvEg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJruvqzcvRAhXKw1QKHbOTD2IQ6AEINzAF#v=onepage&q=%22Legion%20of%20Merit%22%20Crichton&f=false Page 120 should have the entry for George Lumpkin, but it doesn't. At least in the 1995 edition. (The book is arranged alphabetically) It's possible that the 1977 edition (the first edition I think) would have Lumpkin's entry. Here's the Worldcat entry for the 1977 edition. You are right - it is a rare book. The Dallas chapter of the MOWW doesn't even have a copy. There are a couple of Texas libraries that have a copy in their reference department, which means they won't lend it out on Interlibrary Loan, but perhaps the reference department will make a photocopy of page 120 for you. The History of the Military Order of the World Wars: Its first fifty years Hardcover – 1977 https://www.amazon.com/History-Military-Order-World-Wars/dp/B0006X3KHQ Hardcover: 294 pages Publisher: Military Order of the World Wars; 1st edition (1977) Language: English http://www.worldcat.org/title/history-of-the-military-order-of-the-world-wars-its-first-fifty-years/oclc/907839883&referer=brief_results Steve Thomas

Jim, Consider that Cagley's Study was done in 1991. If he has the 488th reporting to the DIA, the DIA wasn't established until 1961. Depending on when the 488th was activated, it could be that the chain of command for the 488th prior to 1961 went elsewhere. Crichton was supposed to have created his 488th in 1956. To date, I have not found a history of the 488th - that would be nice to find - preferably from a government source; but many Army domestic intelligence files were destroyed in 1971 following the Army spy trials. One possible location might be: Records of the Army Staff (Record Group 319) https://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/319.html#319.16 319.16 Records of the Office of Reserve Components 1956-63 Another possible location would be here: 319.18 Records of the Office of the Chief, Army Reserve 1922-64 https://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/319.html#319.12 Steve Thomas

Paul, Here's what little I know: MEMORANDUM (Updated version as of February 21, 1997) To: Jeremy Gunn cc: David Marwell; Chris Barger; Doug Horne; Brian Rosen; Joan Zimmerman From: Tim Wray Subject: Army Intelligence in Dallas “Here's some of what we've learned so far about Army intelligence in Dallas” http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/ARRB/JMASIH/WP-DOCS/TIM/112DALLA.WPD.PDF "3. 316th INTC Detachment. The 112th INTC Group's personnel total given above does not include members of the smaller 316th INTC Detachment, which had an authorized strength of 38 in 1963." As far as Brandstetter goes, the question in my mind, is which 488th? Given Brandstetter's high standing, and the upper-level kind of things he was involved with, I can believe that it was the real 488th. Did you say that in Brandstetter's book, he never mentioned Crichton by name? Steve Thomas PS: The 316th was stationed in Thailand in the late 1960's.

Jim, The two places that I have found concrete evidence that a 488th Military Intelligence Detachment did exist are: 1. A 2012 obituary of a Jack E. Earnest that you can read here: https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/houstonchronicle/obituary.aspx?pid=160976735#sthash.mX3LJS6E.dpuf " In June 1956, he was assigned to the 488th Strategic Intelligence Detachment until 1962, achieving the rank of Captain." 2. a 1991 Study of Military Intelligence Detachments done by a Thomas Cagley that lists a 488 MID as one of the MID's that reported to the DIA. http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a233391.pdf (see Table II-2 on page 14) I just don't happen to believe that Crichton's 488th was the same. I think he appropriated the name. Military Intelligence Detachments were just that. They were Detachments; about the size of a rifle squad. In his Study, Cagley wrote that 90% of MID's consisted of 9 men. To say that you had a Detachment that had 100 men in it is just so much puffery. Steve Thomas

Paul, Army Regulation 135-382 Army National Guard and Army Reserve Reserve Component Military Intelligence Units and Personnel 19 October 1992 https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/ar135-382.htm 5.0 Military Intelligence Detachments (Strategic) (MID(S)) Subtopics 5.1 Organization 5.2 Mission 5.3 Assignment to a Strategic MI Detachment (MID(S)) 5.4 MID(S) Training 5.5 Administration 5.5 Administration a. Because MID(S) are not authorized administrative support personnel or unit equipment, MID(S) will be attached to another unit for administrative and logistical support. No other unit will be attached to a MID(S). The appropriate MUSARC commander will designate the organization to which a MID(S) is attached for administration, mess, maintenance, and supply. Each MID(S) and the organization to which it is attached for administrative and logistical support will negotiate a memorandum of understanding (MOU). The MOU will describe in sufficient detail the support to be provided the MID(S), including technical support. A copy of the attachment orders and the MOU will be forwarded to the USARC commander. To what parent unit was Crichton's 488th attached? If Brandstetter does not mention Crichton in his book, can you tell me any person who ever said they belonged to the 488th? I know Crichton claimed that it consisted of 100 men, half of whom were members of the Dallas Police Department, but do you know of any person who ever claimed to be one of those half? Steve Thomas

David, Thanks. I knew about the second site you referenced. I'm just not sure how you get from those records to the actual documents themselves. It's possible they haven't been scanned yet, and you have to go to the National Archives to get them. Thanks for the first reference. I read through the Regulations of the CIC. I wonder how the Army kept all these intelligence groups straight - - the Army Security Agency, the Counterintelligence Corps, the INTC's... The Assistant Chief of Staff G2 must have been a very busy guy - everything seemed to flow through him. This part of the CIC's Regulations made me shudder... I was looking at "disaffection". Talk about thought police... Steve Thomas

Sounds an awful lot like Sirhan Sirhan. Steve Thomas

Can anyone give me some advice (besides telling me where to get off *smile*)? Let's say I have a reference to a document like this: MISSION & EMPLOYMENT OF 316TH INTELLIGENCE CORPS DETACHMENT Record Number: 197-10002-10218 If I go this site: https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release Is there any way to search that site by the record number? If I go to the NARA site here: https://nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder.exe/0?path=jfksnew.txt&id=demo&pass=&OK=OK and run that record number through the search engine, all I get is the cover sheet. Here's the full record in the MFF database explorer: 1. MISSION & EMPLOYMENT OF 316TH INTELLIGENCE CORPS DETACHMENT Record Number: 197-10002-10218 Record Series: NARA RG319: ACSI G2, COUNTERINTELLIGENCE ORGANIZATIONS Agency: USA Agency File No.: [empty value] Originator: HQ, 112TH INTELLIGENCE CORPS GROUP, FT SAM HOUSTON From: CO, 112TH INTELLINGENCE CORPS GR To: CO/316TH INTELLIGENCE CORPS DETACH Date: 05/31/1963 Pages: 2 Subjects: AMENDMENTS TO 316TH INTELLIGENCE CORPS DETACHTMENT MISSION; 112TH INTELLIGENCE CORPS GROUP; Document Type: PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Restrictions: OPEN IN FULL Current Status: OPEN Date of Last Review: 07/22/1996 Opening Criteria: [empty value] Comments: [empty value] Thanks, Steve Thomas

In Wray's Memorandum, he wrote, “Though spot report messages from 4th Army G2 document a regular, close working relationship between the 112th INTC Group and local , state and federal law enforcement agencies (including the Dallas police department and, especially, the FBI), they record no collaboration at all between military intelligence and the Secret Service. Coyle had such a close relationship with Dallas FBI agent James Hosty that Coyle warmly referred to him in our initial phone interview as “Jimmy” — neither recalled any contact whatsoever with the Secret Service. Reich, who before becoming the commander of the 316th INTC Detachment in July, 1963, had been the 112th INTC Group’ s operations officer, said in his ARRB interview that while he commonly worked with other organizations, he has no recollection of ever having worked with the Secret Service.” This dovetails what I read about in CD 852 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11249 DOD Bartimo Letter of 24 Apr 1964 with Attachments Starting on about the third page or so of this document is a copy of Army Regulation 195-10 which spells out how the Army was supposed to liaison with other agencies. It talks about the Army, Navy, Air Force and FBI, but interestingly enough, leaves out the Secret Service. Wray's Memorandum also says, “Though the Secret Service made extensive use of local law enforcement agencies wherever the President went, it appears that military personnel regularly provided security only when Air Force One was landing at a military base or when the President was visiting a base or installation. In such cases, military personnel were included in Secret Service security arrangements while he was on military property.” The Memorandum of Agreements are spelled out in This also dovetails with Army Regulation 195-10, beginning on page 2 and covers Military Police Criminal Investigative Activities, https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11249#relPageId=5&tab=page and Army Regulation 381-115 beginning on page 27 of CD 852. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11249#relPageId=30&tab=page AR 381-115 covers Military Intelligence and Counter Intelligence Investigative Agencies. Steve Thomas

This cable can be found in the Weisberg Collection https://archive.org/stream/nsia-ArmyIntelligenceJFK/nsia-ArmyIntelligenceJFK/AI JFK 01#page/n0 Steve Thomas

I was researching the 316th INTC and ran across this 1997 memo from Tim Wray to Jeremy Gunn. He talks about the 316th and its relationship to the 112th, and whether or not military intelligence had "boots on the ground" in Dallas on the 22nd. Among other things, he also talks about the Coyle/Hosty/Ellworth meeting on the morning of the 22nd, the CONARC/Stringfellow cable that went out to Strike Command at McDill, and Robert Jones of the 112th. MEMORANDUM (Updated version as of February 21, 1997) To: Jeremy Gunn cc: David Marwell; Chris Barger; Doug Horne; Brian Rosen; Joan Zimmerman From: Tim Wray Subject: Army Intelligence in Dallas "Here's some of what we've learned so far about Army intelligence in Dallas" http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/ARRB/JMASIH/WP-DOCS/TIM/112DALLA.WPD.PDF I'm still absorbing this memo, so I can't intelligently comment on it. Steve Thomas

Douglas, See also this 2007 Education Forum thread on Malcolm Jerry Hoy: Steve Thomas

From Jefferson Morley: "The QAnon conspiracy theory is a psychedelic mushroom planted in the fertile manure of the Warren Commission. This mind-altering proposition grows in the gloom of anonymous chat groups. It is then stimulated by the bright lights of social media. And finally it is harvested and ingested by Trump cultists eager to prolong the alt-reality buzz that commenced on January 20, 2017. But it all began on November 22, 1963." https://www.salon.com/2018/08/16/qanon-why-we-have-the-cia-partly-to-thank-for-the-craziest-conspiracy-theory-yet_partner/ Steve Thomas

Mike, And who would have a .38 special that he couldn't get ammo for down in Mexico? It implies that he is not a local. Steve Thomas

For what it's worth... http://www.marzone.com/7thMarines/Faq0001.htm United States Marine Corps VietNam-era Military Occupational Specialty Codes MOS 6741 Aviation Electronics Operator I can't read the other MOS number from 1957. If that's a 6400 number, there are no 6400's in that list of MOS codes.. Steve Thomas

Paul, It's a parody. Steve

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http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25039-george-lumpkin/?page=2&_fromLogin=1ow “I don't know if this has been discussed, but the link below is to a 1966 Richardson (Texas) Daily News article that describes George Lumpkin as “Commandant of the 4150th ARSU Dallas United States Army Reserve School”. https://newspaperarchive.com/tags/george-lumpkin/?pc=24581&psi=94&pci=7&pt=23960&ob=1/ ARSU is Army Reserve Service Unit With respect to George Whitmeyer, Winston Lawson told the HSCA that Whitmeyer "taught army intelligence." There were two reserve training centers in Dallas. Muchert Reserve Center 10031 E. Northwest Highway, Herzog Reserve Center at 4900 S. Lancaster. "Mr. Lawson acknowledged that Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer, who was part of the Dallas District U.S. Army Command, who Lawson said "taught Army Intelligence" 1/31/78 HSCA interview of Secret Service agent Winston Lawson (RIF#18010074-10396) Jules E. Muchert Army Reserve Center 10031 E. Northwest Highway This Property was a part of the original boundaries of White Rock Lake Park. The City of Dallas sold the Property to the Federal Government in 1956 for an Army Reserve Training Center Site. http://www3.dallascityhall.com/committee_briefings/briefings0607/QOL_061107_muchert.pdf That pdf has some nice pictures in it. Steve Thomas

Dallas Morning News 11-16-1965 10 Dallas reserve Units Included In Inactivation By Gene Ormsby Fourteen Army Reserve units in Dallas, including 10 in the 90th Infantry Division, are scheduled to be inactivated immediately, Major Gen. William R. Calhoun commander of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps said Monday in Austin. Steve Thomas

Hood County News-Tablet from Granbury, Texas · Page 8 July 8, 1965 https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/57597412/ “Gets Texas National Guard Commission Gary T. Grogan of Rising Star, technician with the local Soil Conservation Service office, received his commission as a second lieutenant in the Texas N'ational Guard in ceremonies at the Municipal'. Auditorium in Austin Saturday evening, June 1). He was awarded his commission at the conclusion of a Texas Officer Candidate School which he attended at Camp Mabry, Texas. He was assigned to the 1st Bn,. 142nd Inf., Brown-wood, Texas, as battalion antitank platoon leader. Presentation of the diplomas was made by Maj. Gen. Thomas S. Bishop, Texas adjutant-general, Major. Gen: .. William. R. Calhoun commanding , general of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps, was the speaker for the evening. So, in 1965 you've got a Major General commanding the Eight th Army Corps, but in 1967 it's being commanded by a Colonel? Something's not quite right here. Steve Thomas

John, This is weird. Army Intelligence? Water cooler? From the Weisberg Collection... http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/E%20Disk/Ellis%20Starvis%20Major/Item%2001.pdf Steve Thomas

So, is it 50 radio stations, or 500 radio stations? Or, had the number grown by that much? Facebook posting by an unknown author. https://www.facebook.com/TexasStateGuard/posts/1576889535692221 Texas State Guard September 27, 2017 · Title: “How about a little bit of HISTORY of the Texas State Guard? “ “With the advent of the Cold War, The Texas State Guard Reserve Corps (TSGRC) was given additional duties — those specific to statewide radio communications and civil defense. By 1951, the TSGRC had 50 fixed radio stations and over 100 automobiles throughout the state – almost all were funded at the personal expense of the operators and heavily used during many natural disasters. https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/qqt01 Texas State Guard. By William C. Wilkes and Mary M. Standifer "In the 1950s the Signal Corps of the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps embraced 500 radio stations statewide. These provided valuable communications assistance to civil authorities and the Red Cross in times of natural disaster." Steve Thomas

Jim, Thanks for the input. As far as the Army Reserve Magazine magazine article, I think it's the VIIIth Corps, not the VIIth. See Lubbock Avalanche-Journal from Lubbock, Texas · December 5, 1967 Page 16 https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/6092576/ DALLAS (API — "Col. Jack A.:, Crichton.) commanding officer of the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment, was awarded the Legion of Merit Monday night on' his retirement from the Army- Reserve after 30 years of service. The medal was presented in a ceremony by Col. Robert D. Of-; fer, (sic) commander of the VIII U.S. , Army Corps at Austin. An oil man and petroleum consultant, Crichton organized his Reserve unit in 1956 and has been its only commander. The award cited him for "exceptionally outstanding service" as commander and for the preparation of a series of military intelligence studies. As far as Offer goes, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of a Colonel being the commanding officer of an army corps. Usually that goes to a major-general or something. I'm also having trouble locating information on Offer himself. There was a Robert D. Offer, Jr. who served in Vietnam, but, so far, I haven't found anything that connects a Robert D. Offer to Texas." It's got to be something connected to the Reserves, rather than the Active Army. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/512-viii-corps/ "The Eighth returned to the United States in August of 1945 after having fought in five campaigns and was inactivated on December 15th, 1945, at Camp Gruber, Oklahoma. Post-World War II Not long after deactivation, VIII Corps was once again slated for activation. It was activated as part of the organized reserves. For almost the next twenty years, VIII Corps remained in the role of training soldiers for overseas deployment. VIII Corps was deactivated in April 1, 1968." Just for the heck of it, here's a brief mention in an April 9, 1964 Longview, TX News-Journal newspaper . At that point, Crichton was running unopposed as the Republican candidate for Governor in the 1964 election. (Sorry for the OCR rendering - it was hard to make out at times). Longview News-Journal from Longview, Texas April 9, 1964 page 5 https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/186118616/ "Crichton Blasts 'Police Power Bill During Visit Gets Award attributed widely to the oil and gas publications. Gov. George C. Wallace's heavy vote in the Wisconsin primary Tuesday showed that the people in the North as well as FORT WORTH ... Crichton of Dallas, unopposed candidate for governor, declared Shreveport. He is a committee chairman in the Dallas County Civil defense set up and holds - - publican leaders and others. Crichton said, ' He has been active in Republican circles in Dallas many years, and he occupies downtown offices as an Independent oil executive, and engineer. Crichton was educated at Byrd High School, Shreveport, and was awarded various petroleum and engineering degrees from Wichita Institute of Technology and SMU. His career as a geologist and engineer was interrupted by World War II, in which he served as a field artillery intelligence officer and special agent of the OSS. Now with the rank of colonel, he is commanding officer of the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment, U. S. Army Reserve." Steve Thomas