Steve Thomas

Bill, How about some other double agent stuff... Question: How many other of these crop duster pilots defected to the U.S. ? If anyone has any information on other crop dusters, I would appreciate hearing about it. In the Senate Select Committee files, aka the Church Committee Boxed Files, there is a document numbered 157-10014-10120, dated 1/19/76 from Paul Wallach, entitled “Oswald in New Orleans”. On page 92 of this document, there is a memo from Dan Dwyer to The Files dated 9/23/75. In this memo, Dwyer describes looking at the Department of Justice Anti-Castro files from the late 1950’s to the early 1970’s. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1462&search=157-10014-10120#relPageId=92&tab=page One of the files that Dwyer examined is dated 1/22/60, entitled Anti-Fidel Castro Activities. The summary of this file reads, “January 12, 1960, Raul Cross, pilot for Arbana Airlines. The Cuban Government was having thirty pilots trained in Mexico, (using cover that they were being trained as crop dusters). They were using instructors from Chile at $700/month.” http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=1462&relPageId=96 Warren CD# 1085 is a letter from the Director of the FBI to Jay Lee Rankin dated June 11, 1964 with attached memos and reports. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11481&relPageId=3 See here for a list of various reports from Wallace Heitman: http://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=HEITMAN%20june%2025,%201964 One of the Reports included is a memo from Dallas SA Wallace Heitman dated April 29, 1964. This Report discusses the residents of an address in Garland, Texas and the sighting of a Rambler station wagon parked in front with a bumper sticker that says, “Kill the Kennedy Klan.” On page 6 of his memo, Heitman says this his source told him that the two unnamed subjects of the memo had been employed by him (the source) for approximately one year. He said they were Cuban citizens and who were trained as duster pilots in Mexico for the Cuban Government and later defected from the Fidel Castro Government and came to the United States. While Heitman’s memo is heavily redacted, other research has revealed the two residents of 806 E. Monica in Garland, TX were Raul Castro and Juan Quintana. Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro had revealed that Raul Castro and Juan Quintana were members of Alpha-66 and the SNFE. The two subjects were known to be violently anti-Castro and had attended the speech by Adlai Stevenson in Dallas when he got bonked on the head by a picket sign. One of the two subjects of this memo entered the U.S. illegally by swimming across the Rio Grande at Lightner’s Pump (sp?) about five miles east of Brownsville, TX. He crossed with his friend who was apprehended. Records of the INS revealed to Heitman that the subject had left Cuba in blank, 1960 and went to Mexico, which he left on December 26, 1960. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11481&relPageId=215 page 6 Wallace Heitman and W. James Woods interviewed Raoul Castro on May 14, 1964. Their Report is dated May 22, 1964. Castro told them that he had entered Aviation Cadet School in Cuba in June, 1959, where he met Juan Francisco Quintana Maya. They were sent to Mexico, where they spent seven months. They returned to Cuba in May, 1960, spent twenty days there, and were sent back to Mexico for “link training, and to finish their course in crop dusting”. ( I don't know what “link training” is). Castro told them that it was obvious that the training they were receiving was military in nature. Castro told the Agents that he owned the Rambler Station Wagon that had the bumper sticker (Kan the Kennedy Klan - which someone changed to "Kill" the Kennedy Klan - although Cast told the Agents that the bumper sticker was more benign than that). The wives of both subjects of Heitman’s memo were Mexican sisters. The INS files reveal that the subject stated that many of the students attending the two airline schools he attended were Communists and Fidel Castro supporters. He named several students (redacted) studying to be air traffic control operators were known Communists. Just some food for thought: What if Raul Castro and Juan Quintana were double agents, sent to Mexico to ostensibly to train as crop dusters and then told to defect to the U.S. and infiltrate the anti-Castro Cuban exile community? Steve Thomas

And why didn't Truly, when telling Lumpkin and Fritz that Oswald was missing, also tell them about having encountered Oswald in the second floor lunchroom only moments after the shooting? Steve Thomas

I have not nailed this down. At this point, this is just speculation, but... I figured that most of the Cuban exiles held full-time jobs. If you're going to have a picnic with families, it would probably be on a weekend. In 1976, Sylvia Odio told Gaeton Fonzi: “Also, there had been a big rally in a park on a liberation day (she didn't remember which day) and she delivered the invocation. That was covered by the newspapers and the television stations and she said the FBI later told her that it thought that Oswald could have been there mingling with the Cubans.” CE 2390 (25H370) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1141#relPageId=400&tab=page FBI Agent Wallace Heitman interview of Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino July 8, 1964 resides at 719 N. Bishop St. in Dallas and is employed at El Chico Restaurant warehouse. Pino state that he is a member of SNFE. “He said that he remembers that a general reunion of various Cuban refugees had been held several months ago at a picnic grounds near White Rock Lake, and that a woman by the name of Odio had made a short speech at the reunion.” Sylvia Odio vs. Liebeler & the La Fontaines Written by James DiEugenio Tuesday, 15 October 1996 23:18 “Gaeton Fonzi's interview with Silvia Odio for the Church Committee, reproduced here...” https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/sylvia-odio-vs-liebeler-the-la-fontaines REPRODUCED AT THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES RELEASED PER P. L. 102-526 (JFK ACT) 5-2-96 Notes – Silvia Odio interviewed 1/16/76 The two big holidays in Cuba are January 1 (when Castro came to power, and July 26) 25-27 July - National Rebelliousness Days http://www.whatcuba.com/cuban-festivals.html 3 Days celebrating the beginning of the Cuban Revolution when Castro led a group to attack the Moncada barracks in Santiago de Cuba, during the carnival. The attack took place on 26 July but the day before and after have also been proclaimed as Cuban festivals. The dates still coincide with carnival and festivities are seen taking place throughout the country. Sylvia wasn't living in Dallas in January, so this “liberation day” she mentions might be July 26, although I can't imagine a bunch of anti-Castro Cubans getting together to commemorate a Castro holiday. Weisberg interview of the Castorr's: W: You may not, but that's all right. What we have here are pictures collected of people we don't know too much about. These are some stills taken from the television films taken of the in White Rock Park. in the summer July 1963 I believe. ITS Mrs. C: September, I believe. Mr. W: Was that it._ W: Do you remember when that picnic was? Mrs. C: Well, it was about mid-September of '63. http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/C%20Disk/Castorr%20L%20Robert%20Colonel/Item%2012.pdf page 1. And, I got to wondering, what a KBOX radio truck would be doing at White Rock Lake on September 7, 1963. September 08, 1963 - Page 6 Alice Daily Echo Newspaper Archives https://newspaperarchive.com/alice-daily-echo-sep-08-1963-p-6/ Bv THE ASSOCIATED PRESS “Gusts of powerful winds struck in the Dallas area Saturday as a surprise rainstorm whipped into the roof of one residence and damaged another in Mesquite, a suburb just east of Dallas. State Police said no injuries resulted. The wind blew a wooden block through the windshield of a mobile news unit of Radio KBOX of Dallas while it was near White Rock Lake inside the Dallas city limits. On Dallas' North Central Expressway, the blast blew in the side of a service station. Tarpaulins protecting building construction work in downtown Dallas were whipped to shreds. The storm occurred during unexpected rain activity in Dallas and other parts of North Central and Northeast Texas. The rest of the state was unusually hot and nearly all places were dry.” September 7, 1963 was a Saturday. The temperature was 102 degrees. Posted by Andrej Stancak in the Education Forum 02/10/17 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/23465-wynne-and-vicki-southland-center-1963/ “I would like to turn the attention of Forum members to a remarkable testimony of Mr. Wynne Johnson. Wynne was 15 years old in 1963, and had a girlfriend Vicki. Vicki and Wynne liked to visit the roof of the Southland Center to view the scenery of Dallas. And so they did on September 7, 1963... Wynne and Vicki were approaching the Southland Center when a taxi cab passed and a young man, Lee Harvey Oswald, stepped out. Oswald entered the main lobby, met with Phillips and both men started to talk. Shortly, Veciana came in via a different entrance. And while the three men stood together in the lobby, Wynne and Vicki also entered a long corridor and headed towards the three men.” Bill Kelly in JFKContercoup http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2017/08/castro-and-oswald-september-7-1963.html Saturday September 7, 1963 That just happens to be the day Alpha 66 founder Antonio Veciana met with David Atlee Phillips and Lee Harvey Oswald at the Southland Center in Dallas, as well as the day Manuel Rodriguez arrived in Dallas to set up a branch of Alpha 66 and leased the safe house on Harlandale Avenue in Oak Cliff. (I believe this is wrong about Rodriguez) In a May 26, 1964 report filed by Wallace Heitman it showed the address of Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro to be 2311 Nicholson St. Appt. D in Dallas. CD 1085 page 220. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11481#relPageId=220&tab=page Rodriguez had previously been interviewed on February 10, and May 20, 1964. “Rodriguez registered as an alien of Dallas, Texas on September 6, 1963, at which time his address was reflected as 1208 Hudspeth Street. His last prior address was 5310 Columbia Street, Dallas.” https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11481#relPageId=219&tab=page Heitman had previously interviewed Orcarberro on February 10, 1964. Informant T-1 had told Heitman that Orcarberro had lived at 5310 Columbia in Dallas. According to Heitman, Rodririguez said he registered as an alien of Dallas, TX on September 6, 1963, at which time his address was reflected as 1208 Hudspeth St. His last prior address was listed as 5310 Columbia St., Dallas. According to Sylvia Odio, it was the FBI who told her that Oswald was thought to have been seen at this picnic. Steve Thomas

Thanks Gary, Guess I didn't go far enough did I? Steve Thomas

Here's a 1962 picture of Juan Manuel Salvat in an April 12, 2001 Miami New Times article by Jefferson Morley. See p. 5 of this pdf file http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/C Disk/CIA DRE Cuban Student Directorate/Item 02.pdf To me, he doesn't look like the sort of person Sylvia Odio or Mrs. Castorr describe. Steve Thomas

I happened to stumble on this by accident. It looks to be a CIA list of Cuban names sorted by patronymic name and matronymic name. Some of the names also provide a short physical description. I thought it might be helpful to researchers looking for somebody under both names. HSCA Segregated CIA Collection Box 33 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=77011&search=Pinillos#relPageId=63&tab=page Steve Thomas

Here's a video interview of Salvat. It's in Spanish. He's an older man now, but it kind of gives you an idea of what he looked like. When you go to the web page, you have to hit page 2, or the Next button to bring up the actual video. http://merrick.library.miami.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/chc5212/id/733/rec/2 Steve Thomas

David, What did you think of that second document where Salvat supposedly said that the DRE was being sponsored by the Pentagon, and not the CIA? That one kind of threw me. What about the whole Joannides thing? Steve Thomas

David, I too think the Castorr's were the friends Weisberg refers too. I need to straighten out the times. The picnic and Sylvia's visit from the three guys was September. These DRE guys were saying the "meeting" where Steig saw Oswald and Walker gave the $5 was mid-October. Did Salvat stay in Dallas that long.? Pinolloas told O'Connor that he and Siveira spoke the English at the meetings. I got the feeling that the other guy couldn't speak English. Could Salvat speak English? Have you ever seen a picture of Salvat? Mrs. Castorr talks about a heavy set guy who couldn't speak English and might have looked like Howard. I got to wondering if it was Pinollas and Salvat that came to visit Odio. Steve Thomas

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/D Disk/DRE/Item 01.pdf Ana Silveira provides a list of people in attendance at the October 13, 1963 meeting. (although this is a typewritten list, and not the original) http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files%20Original/D%20Disk/DRE/Item%2003.pdf Weisberg wants to know more about this meeting. “The man who arranged the meetings, Dean Perkins was close to my friends”. Steve Thomas

David, http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/D Disk/DRE/Item 01.pdf p. 10 of that pdf file Miami FBI Agent James O'Connor interview of Joaquin Martinez de Pinillos 12/23/63: Pinillos (age 22) stated that he, Ana Silveira, and Muel Salvat had traveled from Miami to Dallas in October, 1963..." for the purpose of holding public meetings to inform them about the DRE. "Mr. Pinollos stated that Dean Perkins, 11022 Genetta Dr. Dallas, Texas assisted the DRE in organizing the meetings and arranging the publicity attached to the meetings". Steve Thomas

David, Wallace Heitman interview of Felix Guillermo Othon Pacho Septmber8, 1964 CE 2390 (25H) 371 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1141#relPageId=401&tab=page Manuel Salvat came to Dallas from Miami in (Sept?, Oct?), 1963 to kickstart the DRE. He was accompanied by two people: Joaquin Pincillas, and a woman named Anita (LNU). Steve Thomas

David, See this thread in the Education Forum: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/8538-a-dean-perkins/ Steve Thomas

Sorry, I forgot to include the pdf. It's http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/C%20Disk/Castorr%20L%20Robert%20Colonel/Item%2023.pdf Steve Thomas

David, II'm afraid don't know anything about him at all. Look at p. 2 of this pdf file: There's a couple of clues you can pick up. Are Ernie Lazar's databases searchable? - or the FBI's Subject Files. I'll bet you'll find out Perkins was big in the John Birch Society. PS: Did you read up about the pillow incident on p. 9 of that file? Now that's an interesting idea. McHann knew something and it tortured him for the rest of his life. I think Weisberg has a pretty good theory on p. 29 Steve Thomas

Lance, "What is being translated as "experimental shop" would be the part of the factory where they make sure that new equipment and devices are operating properly before they are put out on the floor of the factory. So it's more like "checking" than "experimenting." " Which would have fit right into his job title of "Regulator". The lazy Oswald... hmmm. That kind of fits with the impressions his supervisors at Reilly Coffee and Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall seemed to have had of him. It sounds like the Soviets seemed to have planted him somewhere where they could keep an eye on him, but wasn't expected to really do anything. The insights your sister-in-law is able to provide are really helpful. Steve Thomas

Lance, Thank you, and your wife and sister-in-law. That translation makes a whole lot more sense. Making the parts and tools for the machines sounds about right too, because he talks about reading blueprints in his Collective. I wondered about that at the time. "Work here is given out in the form of blueprints and drawings by the foreman Zemof and Jr. foreman Lavcook..." http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/thecollective.htm Thanks again. Steve Thomas

This just keeps getting better. On May 4, 1964 in an interview in his home with SS Agent Ernest I. Aragon, Rogelio Cisneros told Aragon in Miami that he had gone to Dallas, by plane, alone to meet Sylvia Odio, whom he had never met before, in June, 1963, for the specific purpose of meeting Sylvia Odio who was supposed to introduce Cisneros to a Uruguayan named Juan Martin, who was interested in selling small arms to JURE. He wanted to buy guns, and Martin wanted to sell them. Odio was going to serve as the middleman (middlewoman?). Odio had moved to Dallas in March. Cisneros had a second purpose in going to Dallas however. When he went to Sylvia's house, he was accompanied by Jorge Rodriguz Alvaredo. http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/105-82555/105-82555%20Section%20215/215e.pdf page 183 of Heitman's report, p. 16 of the pdf file. On September 4, 1964 Jorge Rodriguez Alvareda told Wallace Heitman that Rogelio Cisneros Diaz had come to Dallas in late May, or early June, 1963 for the purpose of organizing the Dallas Branch of JURE. On May 28, 1964 a Report out of Dallas is drafted on various Cuban groups. REPORT: JUNTA REVOLUCIONARIA CUBANA; SEGUNDO FRENTE DE ESCAMBRAY (OPERATION ALPHA 66); DIRECTORIO REVOLUCIONARIO ESTUDIANTIL; MOVIMIENTO REVOLUCIONARIO 30 DE NOVIEMBRE; FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=28726#relPageId=2&tab=page Jorge Rodriguez Alvareda advised that the Dallas Chapter of JURE was established in late June and early July, 1963. Rodriguez Alvareda said that he was employed at the Curtis-Mathes plant and that he had been authorized on July 3, 1963 in a letter from Osorio Davila Santana, Secretary General of JURE in Miami to proceed with the organization of JURE unit in Dallas. Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro was also employed at the Curtis-Mathes plant. Father Walter J. McHann (Mary Ferrell's database spells it Machann) CE 2943 p. 402. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1142#relPageId=438&tab=page Letter from James Rowley of the Secret Service to J. Lee Rankin dated May 5, 1964. McHann interviewed by SS Inspector Kelly on April 30, 1964. McHann was chaplain to the Cuban Catholic Committee of Dallas. They organized religious and social activities for the Cuban refugees to help them adjust. Did they organize the picnic? McHann said he had been introduced to John Martin aka Juan Martin; and that one night, John Martin came to Sylvia's while he was there. McHann described John Martin as a Latin, but not a Cuban. Martin had a house in Dallas, but did not live there. He lived in a different city with his family. Sylvia seemed to know John Martin quite well. Sylvia Odio moves to Dallas in March Cisneros flies from Miami to Dallas in June to set up a gun buying deal with Johnny Martin using Sylvia as the middlewoman and to organize a JURE Chapter in Dallas with Jorge Rodriguez Alvaredo as its President. Father McHann at some point is introduced to Johnny Martin at Syvlia's home. Two months later, in September, a picnic is organized at White Rock Lake. Oswald is maybe seen there, and maybe not. Did the Catholic Cuban Relief Committee, who arranged social activities for the Cubans, organize the picnic? Was Father McHann there? Was the Rodriguez who was selling tickets, Jorge Rodriguez, the President of the JURE Dallas Chapter? That same month three men come to Sylvia's door claiming to be from JURE. She thinks Oswald was one of the three. Steve Thomas

They didn't go out the back door. The Secret Service guys stationed back there told D.V. Harkness so. *smile* Steve Thomas

Seems to me that you can spend a lot of time arguing about the "what ifs" and the "why nots", but the bottom line is that you don't have anyone who can place Lee Harvey Oswald at the scene of the crime during the shooting, and you don't have any eyewitnesses seeing him fleeing the scene of the crime. Who's to say that he didn't simply got tired of waiting for the elevator to come back up and just quietly and calmly walked back down the stairs? Or even crossed the room and walked down the stairs by the front elevator? (Were there stairs by the front elevator that went up to the sixth floor)? One's as good a conjecture as another. It's all speculation anyway. Steve Thomas

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11481#relPageId=219&tab=page Heitman had previously interviewed Orcarberro on February 10, 1964 and May 10, 1964. Informant T-1 had told Heitman that Orcarberro had lived at 5310 Columbia in Dallas. According to Heitman, Rodririguez said he registered as an alien of Dallas, TX on September 6, 1963, at which time his address was reflected as 1208 Hudspeth St. His last prior address was listed as 5310 Columbia St., Dallas. CE 2390 (25H370) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1141#relPageId=400&tab=page FBI Agent Wallace Heitman interview of Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino July 8, 1964 Resides at 719 N. Bishop St. in Dallas and is employed at El Chico Restaurant warehouse. Pino state that he is a member of SNFE. “He said that he remembers that a general reunion of various Cuban refugees had been held several months ago at a picnic grounds near White Rock Lake, and that a woman by the name of Odio had made a short speech at the reunion.” This may be Annie Odio and not Sylvia. WC testimony of Sylvia Odio: http://jfkassassinat...timony/odio.htm Sylvia Odio, July 22, 1964…. we did have some meetings, yes. John Martino spoke… she (Lucille Connell) went to that meeting. I did not go, because they kept it quiet from me so I would not get upset about it…. He came to Dallas and gave a talk to the Cubans about conditions in Cuba, and she was one of the ones that went to the meeting. Mr. LIEBELER. Mrs. Connell? Mrs. ODIO. Yes; and my sister Annie went, too. REPORT: JUNTA REVOLUCIONARIA CUBANA; SEGUNDO FRENTE DE ESCAMBRAY (OPERATION ALPHA 66); DIRECTORIO REVOLUCIONARIO ESTUDIANTIL; MOVIMIENTO REVOLUCIONARIO 30 DE NOVIEMBRE; FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE NARA Record Number: 104-10320-10070 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=28726&relPageId=2 On pages 4 through 5 of that Report, Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro furnished a list of the present officers of SNFE. Among the list of Officers is Osvaldo Pino Pino. Steve Thomas

Douglas, I never realized how big Oswald's hands were. He sure seems ill at ease in this social setting. Look at his body language. Steve Thomas

David, Thank you. I think it is. http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/105-82555/105-82555%20Section%20215/215e.pdf p. 187 25H371, CE 2390 and CD 1546 p. 188. FBI interview of Felix Guillermo Othon Pacho by SA Wallace Heitman on September 8, 1964. Othon was the DRE delegate in Dallas after Sarah Castillo. Othon told Heitman that Manuel Salvat had come to Dallas from Miami in September or October, 1963 and that a meeting of about thirty or forty Cubans and Americans had been held at a bank near White Rock Lake. The meeting had been organized by Mr. Dean Perkins, who was sympathetic to the Cuban cause. Othon said that he was known as Bill Othon in Dallas among Americans. He said he was employed by Forrest and Cotton Engineers, Mercantile Continental Building, Dallas. Is George Parrel Felix Guillermo Othon Pacho, or Fermin De Goicochea? CD 1085 In June, 1963 Andrés Nazario Sargén wrote Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro a letter and urged him to establish a chapter of Alpha 66 in Dallas. Orcarberro moved to Dallas in September, 1963. On May 25, 1964, Manuel Rodriguez voluntarily appeared at the Dallas FBI offices and spoke to Wallace Heitman. He told Heitman that the members of SNFE met at bi-weekly meetings at 3126 Harlandale. (Although in his Report, Heitman spelled it Hollandale.) http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=222 On November 23 and 26, 1963 Buddy Walthers writes a Supplementary Investigation Report addressed to Bill Decker. A group of Cubans have been having meetings at 3126 Harlendale St. “on the weekends over the past few months”. “Subject Oswald has been to this house before”. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/html/WH_Vol19_0276b.htm Commission Document 946 - SS Aragon Report of 5 May 1964 re: Sylvia Odio, Rogelio Cisneros Diaz page 3 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11342&search=%22Juan_Martin%22#relPageId=4&tab=page On May 4, 1964 in an interview in his home with SS Agent Ernest I. Aragon, Cisneros told Aragon that: Rogelio Cisneros, a JURE member in Miami, went to Dallas alone, by plane in June, 1963 for the specific purpose of meeting Sylvia Odio who was supposed to introduce Cisneros to a Uruguayan named Juan Martin, who was interested in selling small arms to JURE. The JURE office in Dallas was already in operation, having been established in May, 1963. He only contacted Sylvia Odio once. Cisneros was accompanied by Jorge Rodriguez (Alvarada) (Alvereda?), their Dallas delegate, and no one else. TESTIMONY OF SYLVIA ODIO The testimony of Sylvia Odio was taken at 9 a.m., on July 22, 1964 http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/odio.htm Mrs. ODIO. No. I have told you I moved several times, and it is because of reasons of my work, and because my children at the time were in Puerto Rico, I and I went down to get them in Puerto Rico June 29th. That was exactly the day that I saw Ray again. We had been trying to establish a contact in Dallas with Mr. Johnny Martin, who is from Uruguay. He is from there, and he had heard that I was involved in this movement. And he said that he had a lot of contacts in Latin America to buy arms, particularly in Brazil, and that if he were in contact with one of our chief leaders of the underground, he would be able to sell him second-hand arms that we could use in our revolution. On April 24, 1964 SS Chief Rowley wrote a Memorandum to J. Lee Rankin of the Warren Commission. This memo is CD 853 http://www.maryferre...amp;relPageId=2 This memo was in response to a letter from Rankin to Rowley dated April 22, 1964. The topic was Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro and the Cuban exile community. Some of the things in Rowley’s memo were: 1/16/64 Frank Ellsworth was interviewed about Orcarberro. Ellsworth had been working undercover gathering evidence against John Thomas Masen. Masen told Ellsworth that Orcarberro had been trying to buy guns and bazookas from Masen. Masen told Ellsworth that Rodriguez and George F. Parrel were leaders of the local DRE and also members of Alpha-66 Masen told Ellsworth that George Parrel, an associate of Orcarberro, had also been trying to buy guns from him. They had made purchases from him and that they presently have a large cache of arms located somewhere in Dallas, although he did not know the location. Parrel was a student at Dallas City College. Steve Thomas

David, I thought maybe I would start collecting references to him. See if there's any pattern. Here's what I have so far: 1) CIA cable Lee Henry Oswald is 5'10” weighing 165 lbs, light brown, wavy hair with blue eyes. October 10, 1963 http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=110013&relPageId=2 2) CIA cable to Dep't of State, FBI and Dep't of Navy October 1, 1963 https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/157-10014-10242.pdf p. 436 “Probably identical to Lee Henry Oswald” 5'10”, light brown wavy hair, blue eyes. 3) Stringfellow Cable In this referenced cable, Harvey Lee Oswald was described as 5'10" tall, 165 lbs, with light brown hair and blue eyes. https://ia601309.us.archive.org/22/items/nsia-ArmyIntelligenceJFK/nsia-ArmyIntelligenceJFK/AI%20JFK%2001.pdf 4) The initial description broadcast over the DPD radio was for a suspect 5"10" tall weighing 165 lbs and nobody knows where that description came from. I wonder if the following isn't the original source of so many reports to follow in the coming years: 5) Report of John Fain (FBI Dallas) dated July 3, 1961. CE 980 p. 388 1 copy to ONI New Orleans On April 28, 1960 Mrs. Marguerite Oswald provided the following physical description of Lee Harvey Oswald: 5'10" tall, 165 lbs light brown wavy hair, blue eyes. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=399&tab=page Steve Thomas

David, Here's that 5'10" 165 lb Lee Oswald with light brown wavy hair and blue eyes again. (p. 436) Who is this guy? He pops up everywhere. Compare that to Oswald's physical description on p. 443. (5'9" 140 lbs) Steve Thomas