Steve Thomas

Ed, It was my understanding that the white caps belonged to officers in the Traffic Division. The difference I see in the picture below is the color of the bill - white vs black. Perhaps the black bill was used by sergeants and above, or maybe had something to do with Love Field security. Steve Thomas

James, The closest I could come was this: Mr. POTTS. Now, Horne is 2942 Ann Arbor. Mr. BALL. 2942 Ann Arbor? Mr. POTTS. Yes. Mr. BALL. And that's Dallas? Mr. POTTS. Yes; that's in Oak Cliff. Mr. BALL. And what was he charged with--why was he in jail? Mr. POTTS. Traffic tickets--he had a number of traffic tickets. Mr. BALL. Traffic tickets? Mr. POTTS. Yes; he had a stack of them--all on the same arrest date. Mr. BALL He did? Mr. POTTS. Yes---red lights and so on. Horn appeared in Oswald's fourth lineup at 2:15 on the afternoon of the 23rd. Horn's arrest record is not in the DPD Archives. Sorrells memo to Rankin (CD 1304) does not give the date of Horn's arrest. However, as striking as the similarity is between the two individuals you mention, if Horn was already in jail on the 22nd, it's hard to see how he could be on the parade route. Steve Thomas Potts did not say when Horn was arrested, but I don't believe he was part of the Joiner contingent who were arrested at the Trade Mart.

Ron, With respect to the first photo you ask about: The two women sitting at the table with Ruby are, Joyce Lee McDonald (Joy Dale) on our left, and Karen, "Little Lynn" Bennet Carlin on our right. See Armstrong Exhibit 5301-A at 19H30 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=48 and Armstrong's WC testimony at: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/armstro1.htm scroll down to page 361 With respect to your second picture, I'm not sure, but two of them might be Alice Anderson and Diana Hunter. See Jack Ruby's Girls here: http://gatorpress.com/stories/page30.html They co-authored the book. Steve Thomas

John, I believe this to be the Joiner family of Grand Prarie, several of whom were arrested at the Trade Mart. You can find their arrest records in the DPD Archives. See Bobbie Joiner's FBI interview of 6/8/64, CD 1179 page 142. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=152 As an aside, Bobbie Joiner talks about renting an Uncle Sam costume in preparation of Adlai Stevenson's visit. I remember running across an account in the DPd Archives one time about someone seeing a teenager dressed in an Uncle Sam's costume in Dallas Police Headquarters following JFK's assassination, but I've never been able to find it again. Steve Thomas

Chris, A flip side of this question is why the need for a paper sack at all? Supposedly this rifle was in the Paine garage for months and survived at least one trip back and forth from Dallas to New Orleans, wrapped in a blanket, loading and unloading from a car without being detected as a rifle at all. Why the need to transfer it from a blanket to a paper sack? Steve Thomas

James, Thank you. I sent him an email asking him if that was him in the picture and when and where it was taken. If he responds, I'll let you know. Steve Thomas

This has intrigued me from the first time I saw it. The man circled on the right supposedly is Jean Rene Souetre. I think I just accidentally discovered who the other man in the photo on the right who is in a military uniform. I think his name is Jacques Vassieux. Go here: http://jacques.vassieux.free.fr/modules/my...hoto.php?lid=18 Look at the photo and compare it to the man in the top right of the web page. What do you think? Steve Thomas

James, This has intrigued me from the first time I saw it. The man circled on the right supposedly is Jean Rene Souetre. The picture on the left is cropped from one of the evidence documents ( I don't remember if it was the Warren Hearings, or First Day Evidence or what) of a picture of the alleged assassination rifle. Leaning on the wall behind the rifle is what appears to be a police artist sketch. I think the two pictures are remarkably similar. I also think that someone in the DPD was trying to tell us something. Steve Thomas

Antti, From William Harvey’s handwritten notes on setting up the ZR/Rifle Program From ajweberman’s Coup d’etat in America Nodule 0 http://www.weberman.com/nodules/nodule0.htm 8. Use nobody who has never dealt with criminals; otherwise will not be aware of pitfalls or consider factors such as freedom to travel, wanted lists, etc. Exclude organization criminals, those with record of arrests, those who have engaged in several types of crime. Corsicans recommended. Sicilians lead to Mafia. Steve Thomas

J., I ran across that the other day. Johnston told the Warren Commission that in both arraignments, Oswald was remanded to the custody of the Dallas County Sheriff's Department. What was he still doing in the hands of the Dallas City Police Department 48 hours later? Steve Thomas

James, Since your post, I've been looking into Robert E. Hatfield. On May 21, 1964 he was convicted of this incident and fined $200.00 His lawyer was Howard P. ("Pete") White. White's name, address and phone number appears in Ruby's/Crafard's notebook. One source I read said that White had been getting Ruby off on various charges since 1955. According to Mary Ferrell's database, another of White's clients? John Thomas Masen. WHITE FIRST HOWARD MID/AKA P. ("PETE") 4401 Beverly Dr., Dallas, TX; (o) 631 Fidelity Union Life Bldg., Dallas, TX 'PHONE (o) (214) RI 1-1295 WC Vol 19, p. 73; CD 4, pp. 485, 503; HSCA Vol 9, p. 1099; FBI 124-10035-10168, p. 6 Wife: Margaret B. White. Attorney. Name in Larry Crafard's notebook. Attorney for John Thomas Masen. White's daughter Maury said Pete White was a cousin of Angus Wynne. Had Carousel Club pass #208. Mrs. Cuba Lee Glick Alexander asked White to handle her divorce from William Alexander, alleging Alexander was a "mental case." Steve Thomas

James, Thanks for the info on Hatfield. In Bernice's article, she wrote: "The man who spat on him was a college student, Robert Hatfield of Irving" One interesting thing, Warren Commission Document #320 is a memo from SS Agent Rowley. On page 162 of that Report there is a newspaper article from October 27, 1963 - I can't make out which paper - concerning the Stevenson incident. In the article, Bobbie Joiner said there was no preplanning for Stevenson incident, but that, “some of the signs used were stored at former Major General Edwin A. Walker’s headquarters on Turtle Creek Blvd.” http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=162 This was the same incident that Larry Schmidt took credit for in one of his letters to Bernard Weissman. Schmidt told Weissman that he had recruited 10 or 12 students from one of the local Dallas colleges. I wonder if Hatfield was one of those students. You wrote: "Hatfield was another Walker supporter, a member of the John B. Hood camp, Sons of the Confederate Veterans and had loose ties to the Cubans in Dallas (claiming it was conversations with them that made him angry which is why he spat at Stevenson)." I wonder where and when these conversations took place. On page 6 of Wallace Heitman’s April 29 Report, right in the middle of a discussion about the Cubans in Garland, he says that his source said that (blank) and (blank) had told him that they had attended the meeting at the Dallas Municipal Auditorium in October, 1963 where Adlai Stevenson had given a speech and that they had worn placards outside the Auditorium which were anti-Stevenson in context and that they had lived at that address before he (Heitman’s source) had moved in. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=215 Steve Thomas

J., I believe this is Justice of the Peace, David Johnston. Here is what he told the Warren Commission: "I was attending the luncheon, when one of the sergeants of the Dallas Police Department came to my table and asked me to please come with him, and I was then informed of what had happened, and was asked to go immediately to Parkland Hospital, and upon arriving there found Judge Theron Ward, the justice of the peace, Precinct 3, from Garland, handling the inquest on President Kennedy. They did not know Judge Ward and that's the reason they had called me, not knowing he was already there." Johnston would have an interesting story to tell. He signed the search warrant for 1026 N. Beckley and participated in its search. He was present for the midnight press conference. He presided over Oswald's arraignment at 7:05 and the alleged arraignment at 1:30 on the morning of the 23rd. He was certainly in the thick of things. Steve Thomas

Ron, Thanks for your reply. On doing further research, I think the Rodriguez Molina in question probably refers to Joe Rodriguez Molina of the GI Forum fame. There is a person on the alt.conpiracy.jfk newsgroup who thinks that more than one Molina was picked up that day. Steve Thomas

Sorry, the spelling should be Echeverria. CIA’s Segregated Collection 10067-10328 p. 2 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=2 Handwritten memo from Win Scott. “I advised L. Echeverria later that the Rodriguez Molina arrested in Dallas had nothing to do w/ Kennedy assassination. S. Steve Thomas

From Oswald's 201 File 104-10015-10127 p. 2 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=1 From Mexico City: Luis Echiverria, acting Secretary of the Gobernacion personally asked COS 23 Nov for all information on FNU Rodriguez Molina. Said heard on radio Rodriguez picked up in connection with assassination and that he Mexican. Steve Thomas

Chuck, I always thought that Oswald's concern for his daughter's shoes, and the $170.00 he left on the dresser to pay for them mitigated in Oswald's favor. Steve Thomas

J, http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol23_0484a.htm At approximately 2:37pm, Sergeant R.E. Dugger (18) radios in on Channel 2: “I have Judge Johnston here with (illegible) Parkland. Was there just one (illegible) from the shooting from the Presid… party?” The following exchange takes place: Dispatcher (illegible) I had on it 18 Dispatcher: 18, There were some more injured, but I don’t know who they were, or how severe. Dugger: I didn’t read you. You know anything about an injured Secret Service Agent? Dispatcher: No, I do not. There were some more injured, but I don’t know who they were. Patrolman J.W. Brooks (174): One of the Secret Service men on the field – Elm and Houston; said that it came over his teletype that one of the Secret Service men had been killed. Dispatcher: Well, 10-4. I don’t have that information. Dugger: I believe this is going to be incorrect. He’s not at Parkland. Can you have someone canvas the major hospitals please? Garbled Patrolman L.H. Marshall (139): I have a man out here that doesn’t know anything about that. Vince Palamara alt.conspiracy.jfk 11/26/03 “One final clue to both the mystery of the "dead" agent and the "unknown agent" in Dealey Plaza on November 22 may come from the statements of former Dallas agent Robert A. Steuart, as revealed in Bill Sloan's 1993 work, JFK--Breaking the Silence (pp 1-5). Although the agent who spoke to Sloan was unnamed in the book, Sloan confirmed to me the agent's identity based on my firm conviction that this agent HAD to have been Steuart. Why? Because, as I told Sloan, the agent used the identical language with me during my two "attempted" interviews with him in 1992 and 1993; in any event, Sloan confirmed my suspicions. So, just what did Steuart say to Sloan (and me)? Sworn to absolute secrecy about the "Kennedy thing," Steuart went on to say, "I can't talk about it...There are so many things I could tell you, but I just can't... I can't tell you anything... I'd like to, but I can't.... It was a very heavy deal, and they would know. Someone would know. It's...too dangerous, even now." Needless to say, more work is being done on these leads.” Steuart had been stationed at the Trade Mart and gone to Parkland Hospital following the assassination. In his official Report, Steuart wrote, “After the President’s death was announced, I returned to the Dallas District Office and took over duties at the telephone, to correlate activities of other agents.”64. There is the possibility that Steuart might not have remained at the Dallas District Office. In his case report on Lee Harvey Oswald, Captain Fritz has the following notation, “Detective C.N. Dhority #476 “Made copies of defendant’s identification for Mr. Stewart of Secret Service. Prepared case report.”65. I believe that Fritz meant Steuart. Dhority makes no mention of this in his after-action report. 64. Report from Robert A. Steuart. Letter from the Secret Service to the Commission, dated June 11, 1964, with attached statements of Secret Service personnel, named below. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume XVIII, p. 797, Commission Exhibit 1024, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol18_0406a.htm 65. Case Report, by J. W. Fritz. Case report on Lee Harvey Oswald includes officers as witnesses. Dallas Police Archives Box 15, Folder# 1, Item# 92: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm Steve Thomas

Chuck, 404 E. Ninth St. appears to be an apartment complex. http://www.whitepages.com/10867/search/Rep...664&lower=1 Steve Thomas

Gil, I do not know if these are related, but... In a statement written by Parkland Hospital RN Triage nurse, Bertha Lozano, she wrote that on Friday afternoon after the President had arrived and after the little boy with the cut chin had arrived, "A technician came to the desk and asked me to expect a private patient who was bleeding." She also wrote, "Blood technicians came to ask me who "Mr. X" was who did not have an ER number. Hematology also came with the same problem and was told the same thing." No information about what the Blood Technicians and Hematology were told. Price Exhibit 20 in 21H214 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=238 Steve Thomas

New to me anyway. Keotag searches blogs and social networking sites like myspace. http://www.keotag.com Steve Thomas

Mark, Just on a little side note, for another reason I was reading the WC testimony of Justice of the Peace David Johnson. In both arraignments of Oswald, one at 7:10 for the killing of Tippit, and the second supposed arraignment for the killing of JFK at 1:35, Oswald was informed of the charges against him and "remanded to the custody of the Dallas County Sheriff." Why was he still in the hands of the Dallas City Police Department two days later? Steve Thomas

Chuck, I believe the J.C. in question was Colonel J. C. King, Chief, WH Division, which makes it even more interesting. Steve Thomas

Thomas, From Foreign Relations of the United States, 1964-1968, vol. XII, Western Europe, pp. XXXI-XXXV, April 16, 2001. http://www.fas.org/sgp/advisory/state/covert.html Notice the line that says, "Membership varied..." By the end of the Eisenhower administration, this group, which became known as the "NSC 5412/2 Special Group" or simply "Special Group," emerged as the executive body to review and approve covert action programs initiated by the CIA. The membership of the Special Group varied depending upon the situation faced. Meetings were infrequent until 1959 when weekly meetings began to be held. Neither the CIA nor the Special Group adopted fixed criteria for bringing projects before the group; initiative remained with the CIA, as members representing other agencies frequently were unable to judge the feasibility of particular projects. After the Bay of Pigs failure in April 1961, General Maxwell Taylor reviewed U.S. paramilitary capabilities at President Kennedy's request and submitted a report in June which recommended strengthening high-level direction of covert operations. As a result of the Taylor Report, the Special Group, chaired by the President's Special Assistant for National Security Affairs McGeorge Bundy, and including Deputy Under Secretary of State U. Alexis Johnson, Deputy Secretary of Defense Roswell Gilpatric, Director of Central Intelligence Alien Dulles, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Lyman Lemnitzer, assumed greater responsibility for planning and reviewing covert operations. Until 1963 the DCI determined whether a ClA-originated project was submitted to the Special Group. In 1963 the Special Group developed general but informal criteria, including risk, possibility of success, potential for exposure, political sensitivity, and cost (a threshold of $25,000 was adopted by the CIA), for determining whether covert action projects were submitted to the Special Group. From November 1961 to October 1962 a Special Group (Augmented), whose membership was the same as the Special Group plus Attorney General Robert Kennedy and General Taylor (as Chairman), exercised responsibility for Operation Mongoose, a major covert action program aimed at overthrowing the Castro regime in Cuba. When President Kennedy authorized the program in November, he designated Brigadier General Edward G. Lansdale, Assistant for Special Operations to the Secretary of Defense, to act as chief of operations, and Lansdale coordinated the Mongoose activities among the CIA and the Departments of State and Defense. CIA units in Washington and Miami had primary responsibility for implementing Mongoose operations, which included military, sabotage, and political propaganda programs. Steve Thomas

Thomas, From Foreign Relations of the United States, 1964-1968, vol. XII, Western Europe, pp. XXXI-XXXV, April 16, 2001. http://www.fas.org/sgp/advisory/state/covert.html Notice the line that says, "Membership varied..." By the end of the Eisenhower administration, this group, which became known as the "NSC 5412/2 Special Group" or simply "Special Group," emerged as the executive body to review and approve covert action programs initiated by the CIA. The membership of the Special Group varied depending upon the situation faced. Meetings were infrequent until 1959 when weekly meetings began to be held. Neither the CIA nor the Special Group adopted fixed criteria for bringing projects before the group; initiative remained with the CIA, as members representing other agencies frequently were unable to judge the feasibility of particular projects. After the Bay of Pigs failure in April 1961, General Maxwell Taylor reviewed U.S. paramilitary capabilities at President Kennedy's request and submitted a report in June which recommended strengthening high-level direction of covert operations. As a result of the Taylor Report, the Special Group, chaired by the President's Special Assistant for National Security Affairs McGeorge Bundy, and including Deputy Under Secretary of State U. Alexis Johnson, Deputy Secretary of Defense Roswell Gilpatric, Director of Central Intelligence Alien Dulles, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Lyman Lemnitzer, assumed greater responsibility for planning and reviewing covert operations. Until 1963 the DCI determined whether a ClA-originated project was submitted to the Special Group. In 1963 the Special Group developed general but informal criteria, including risk, possibility of success, potential for exposure, political sensitivity, and cost (a threshold of $25,000 was adopted by the CIA), for determining whether covert action projects were submitted to the Special Group. From November 1961 to October 1962 a Special Group (Augmented), whose membership was the same as the Special Group plus Attorney General Robert Kennedy and General Taylor (as Chairman), exercised responsibility for Operation Mongoose, a major covert action program aimed at overthrowing the Castro regime in Cuba. When President Kennedy authorized the program in November, he designated Brigadier General Edward G. Lansdale, Assistant for Special Operations to the Secretary of Defense, to act as chief of operations, and Lansdale coordinated the Mongoose activities among the CIA and the Departments of State and Defense. CIA units in Washington and Miami had primary responsibility for implementing Mongoose operations, which included military, sabotage, and political propaganda programs. Steve Thomas