Steve Thomas

Joel,

Subsequent to the assassination, my now diseased father, Karl Gruhn, of Mound Minnesota came into contact with a 1959 Oldsmobile Station Wagon,

Would it be okay if I posted the Certificate of Title you sent me several years ago?

Steve Thomas

John,

Is anyone aware of the existense of the book '400,000 dollars pur abbatre Kennedy a Paris' by Camille Giles, Julliard Press, Paris, 1973?

If you have access to a Library, there is an article in the Jan., 1973 issue of Computers and Automation.

The citation is:

Bernert, Phillippe and Camille Gilles. The Frenchman who was to kill Kennedy. Computers and Automation. vol 22, January, 1973. pp. 37 - 40.

Steve Thomas

Greg,

Wasn't the designated patsy in for the canceled Chicago trip a John Bircher, or at least Birch-dipped?

Don't know. Do you recall the name?

Thomas Arthur Vallee was a member of the John Birch Society

Steve Thomas

Is there any documented evidence or anything in writing that a second invasion of Cuba was being planned for the last week of November, 1963?

Though of circumstantial evidence, I have been struck by the sheer size of the weaponry being assembled in the Spring and summer of 1963. We're not talking small arms here, but bazookas, tons of dynamite, napalm, etc. Sure sounds like more than hit and run raids to me.

SS Rowley Memorandum of 4/24/64 CD 853

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=2

1/16/64 Frank Ellsworth was interviewed about Orcarberro.

Ellsworth had been working undercover gathering evidence against John Thomas Masen.

Masen told Ellsworth that Orcarberro had been trying to buy guns and bazookas from Masen.

They had made purchases from him and that they presently have a large cache of arms located somewhere in Dallas, although he did not know the location.

THE JFK ASSASSINATION CHRONOLOGY

Compiled by Ira David Wood III

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n1/...20Sanchez%22%22 p. 98

At the same time they are holding public meetings in Dallas, Salvat and another of the DRE leaders from Miami, Joaquin Martinez de Pinillos, meet with de Goicochea, who has enrolled at the University of Dallas, becoming a fellow student of Sarita Odio, Silvia Odio’s younger sister. Salvat and Martinez recruit de Goicochea as the DRE’s Dallas military representative. His task is to acquire heavy arms for the DRE. Before returning to Miami, Martinez introduces de Goicochea (as the organization’s new buyer, “George Perrel”) to Dallas gun dealer John Masen. Masen learns from the DRE exiles that the weapons they will need are for a planned second major invasion of Cuba.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=270466

Some of the material seized at the training camp at Lake Pocharttrain on July 31, 1963 were:

· More than a ton of dynamite

· (20) 100-lb bomb casings

· fuses

· napalm

Steve Thomas

Is there any documented evidence or anything in writing that a second invasion of Cuba was being planned for the last week of November, 1963?

Though of circumstantial evidence, I have been struck by the sheer size of the weaponry being assembled in the Spring and summer of 1963. We're not talking small arms here, but bazookas, tons of dynamite, napalm, etc. Sure sounds like more than hit and run raids to me.

SS Rowley Memorandum of 4/24/64 CD 853

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=2

1/16/64 Frank Ellsworth was interviewed about Orcarberro.

Ellsworth had been working undercover gathering evidence against John Thomas Masen.

Masen told Ellsworth that Orcarberro had been trying to buy guns and bazookas from Masen.

They had made purchases from him and that they presently have a large cache of arms located somewhere in Dallas, although he did not know the location.

THE JFK ASSASSINATION CHRONOLOGY

Compiled by Ira David Wood III

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n1/...20Sanchez%22%22 p. 98

At the same time they are holding public meetings in Dallas, Salvat and another of the DRE leaders from Miami, Joaquin Martinez de Pinillos, meet with de Goicochea, who has enrolled at the University of Dallas, becoming a fellow student of Sarita Odio, Silvia Odio’s younger sister. Salvat and Martinez recruit de Goicochea as the DRE’s Dallas military representative. His task is to acquire heavy arms for the DRE. Before returning to Miami, Martinez introduces de Goicochea (as the organization’s new buyer, “George Perrel”) to Dallas gun dealer John Masen. Masen learns from the DRE exiles that the weapons they will need are for a planned second major invasion of Cuba.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=270466

Some of the material seized at the training camp at Lake Pocharttrain on July 31, 1963 were:

· More than a ton of dynamite

· (20) 100-lb bomb casings

· fuses

· napalm

Steve Thomas

Bill,

Harry Hall sounds familiar but I can't put a finger on him off the top of my head.

Harry Hall and Jack Ruby ran some gambling scams in the 1950's. They also won a lot of money off H.L. Hunt betting on the Cotton Bowl and Rose Bowl.

see CD 87 pp 615, 616.

Steve Thomas

Robin,

Hi Steve

I ran your 007202 through Google.

This is where i ended up.

HSCA Volume 9

Click Here:

Thanks,

Yes,

007202 is a DEA report on R.D. Matthews that says that he and Candy Barr were engaged in smuggling heroin across the border from Mexico.

It's referred to on page 531 of volume IX of the HSCA Appendix volumes.

It would be an interesting report to read I think.

And Bill, yes, I know that Rex is an army of one. I think all of us owe him a debt of gratitude.

*smile*

Steve Thomas

Bill,

HSCA Numbered Files

Thanks, that gave me a clue.

I went to the National Archives, read their search tips and did a standard search for the document number.

In the example I used above, typing in 007202 gave me this result:

AGENCY INFORMATION

AGENCY : HSCA

RECORD NUMBER : 180-10076-10481

RECORDS SERIES : NUMBERED FILES

AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 007202

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : HSCA

FROM : DEA

TO : [No To]

TITLE : KNOWN DALLAS ITALIAN-CUBAN ASSOCIATIONS

DATE : 04/11/1978

PAGES : 8

DOCUMENT TYPE : OUTSIDE CONTACT REPORT

SUBJECTS : CAMPISI, JOE; MAFIA; MARCELLO, CARLOS; HALL, HARRY;

BINION, BENJAMIN

CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : RELEASED WITH DELETIONS

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 01/06/1994

COMMENTS : Box 137.

I ran the RIF number through the Mary Ferrell Foundation site, but unfortunately, it hasn't been added there yet.

I wonder if Rex Braford has an army of assistants to load in the HSCA numbered files?

*smile*

Steve Thomas

PS: That would be an interesting report to read BTW. I ran across it in reference to the Candy Barr/R.D. Matthews thread

Does anyone know if the HSCA documents, also known as JFK Documents are online?

For instance, in another thread, I referred to a footnote in one of the HSCA volumes.

The footnote referred to JFK Document 007202.

Anoter footnote referred to JFK Document 008850.

Are these JFK Documents online anywhere?

Thanks,

Steve Thomas

James,

Just of late, I have been going through several boxes of documents and came across some obscure references to 'soft files'. These are personal working files usually containing very sensitive information which will never see the light of day.

In March of 2000, the NARA issued a rather scathing report of how the CIA handles records management and retention.

In that Report, they wrote:

During discussions with program staff and IMOs, NARA evaluators found an inconsistent understanding of basic and important records management concepts. For example, as will be discussed at greater length in Chapters III and V, there was a tendency for some CIA personnel to view their files as nonrecord ("soft" files) if the information the files contained was available elsewhere. This is contrary to 36 CFR 1222.35(d) which states that "Multiple copies of the same document and documents containing duplicative information ... may each have record status depending upon how they are used to transact agency business."

Two other problem areas were noted in some of the offices visited. The more serious and common of the two was a tendency on the part of some staff and/or agency components to inappropriately regard their files as non-record working papers or "soft" files that could be destroyed at will. A second problem NARA noted was the filing of incoming documents and other materials in disposable chronological files. Each of these is discussed below in more detail.

You can read the Report online here:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/naracia.html

Steve Thomas

John,

Robert,

Can you remember the source for the rumours of Candy Barrs involvement in drug running, especially with R.D. Matthews?

Hopefully Ian Griggs will read this and enlighten us a bit.

John

You can find reference to this in volume IX of the HSCA Appendix volumes, page 531 here:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=539

The footnote references for this report are on page 1157 here:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...;relPageId=1165

Steve Thomas

Robert,

The declaration on the part of the HSCA [to their discovery that Army Intelligence had 'routinely destroyed' their file on Lee Harvey Oswald] that they found said news "very troubling" makes for great sound bite journalism,because it coddles the mentality of those who so desperately want to believe that the US government wouldn't engage, un-officially or otherwise in a coup d'etat responsible for the forcible disposal of a US President.

You might want to view MI's interest in Lee Harvey Oswald in light of the Army Spy Scandal of 1970, and what they claimed to have done with the data collected on U.S. individuals.

This is a good article:

http://cmhpf.org/senator%20sam%20ervin.htm

Steve Thomas

Robert,

The declaration on the part of the HSCA [to their discovery that Army Intelligence had 'routinely destroyed' their file on Lee Harvey Oswald] that they found said news "very troubling" makes for great sound bite journalism,because it coddles the mentality of those who so desperately want to believe that the US government wouldn't engage, un-officially or otherwise in a coup d'etat responsible for the forcible disposal of a US President.

You might want to view MI's interest in Lee Harvey Oswald in light of the Army Spy Scandal of 1970, and what they claimed to have done with the data collected on U.S. individuals.

This is a good article:

http://cmhpf.org/senator%20sam%20ervin.htm

Steve Thomas

John,

Steve,

Please pardon my ignorance on these matters but what is "CD", as in CD 853A (2)?

CD stands for Commission Document - as in Warren Commission.

You can find them online here:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...o?docSetId=1008

There are about 1,500 of them. Some of them are over 1,000 pages long.

CE stands for Commission Exhibit.

You can find them here:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...o?docSetId=1006

Steve

In Mary Farrell's database, there is this entry:

LAST ALCOHOL & TOBACCO TAX FIRST MID/AKA

ADDRESS 607 Wholesale Merchants Bldg., 912 Commerce St., Dallas, TX

'PHONE (214) 749-3304)

SOURCES CD 853A (2); 1/14/64 memo from Carl R. Booth, Jr., Supervisor in Charge, to SA in Charge, US Secret Service, Forrest Sorrels.

COMMENT Memo sets out activities of 8 investigators of A&TF who rushed to TSBD 11/22/63 and searched building (among them, Frank L. Ellsworth)

In the Mary Ferrell Foundation pages of Warren Commission Documents, I don't find a CD 853A.

Has anyone seen this memo from Booth to Sorrels?

Steve Thomas

Greg,

James Olmstead wrote:

Although I do not support at this time that the Dear Mr. Hunt letter was addressed to either H. L. Hunt or any specific Hunt family member or E. Howard Hunt, I do have research in support that the letter is not a forgery or fake.

Did the Dear Mr. Hunt letter show up at the same time as the alleged memo from (Helms I think it was) saying, "Someday we are going to have to explain Hunt's presence in Dallas on 11/22?

Steve Thomas

Greg,

The text of the letter:

Nov 8, 1963

Dear Mr. Hunt,

I would like information concerding my position.

I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else.

Thank you LEE HARVEY OSWALD.

I am just throwing this out there.

Here are two signatures of Lee Harvey Oswald.

The first one is from a 1959 Selective Service Card.

The second one is from the Dear Mr. Hunt letter.

Were they signed by the same person?

Steve Thomas

Trygve,

If anyone know of a good place for obtaining or viewing photo, audio or video resources, that would be great.

Here is a good site for audio resources:

http://www.earthstation1.com/JFKAssassination.html

Your English is very good, by the way.

Steve Thomas

Mark,

The "reply" page suddenly looks different - are we operating under a new software system? I can't find a way to post a photo. Thanks.

Try hitting your reload button.

When I first tried to post on a new topic, the option for uploading a photo wasn't there, but when I hit my reload button, it was.

Steve Thomas

Has anyone ever thought about the timing of the attempted Walker shooting?

Was April of 1963 significant in Walker's life for some reason?

Was April 10th before or after the Congress of Freedom meeting in New Orleans?

In the Lancer Forum, Gil Jesus said that the Congress of Freedom meeting was April 4 - 6.

http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.p...22759&page=

I wonder if something happened at that meeting that put Walker at odds with someone - maybe some kind of power struggle?

Steve Thomas

John,

What an amazing story? This is the first time I have ever heard about the Columbia University speech.

This is what the Kennedy Library has to say about this alleged speech:

"President Kennedy's supposed speech at Columbia University, November, 1963.

Many references to this fictitious speech exist in assassination theorist material. Supposedly, the President was discussing changes in the Federal Reserve and the gold standard, and this topic was somehow linked to his assassination. Others also claim he said, "The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to destroy American freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizen of his plight." But the simple fact is that President John F. Kennedy did not speak at Columbia University in November of 1963.

Those who believe in the "fact" of President Kennedy having made such a speech, either at Columbia or some other place, will simply deny this denial. At best, they will say that because "all or most records" have been destroyed, we simply don't know the truth; at worst, they will claim that there is a conspiracy to keep this issue silent. If someone chooses to believe in the existence of this speech, he or she does so as a matter of faith, which is fine, as long as that person realizes that it is religion and not history in which he or she is dealing."

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resou...sity+Speech.htm

Steve Thomas

Stephen,

Mark, good find. Do you happen to know who, if anyone took her place that day?

I guess that would depend on which Channel she normally broadcast on.

As Gary Mack correctly pointed out to me, Margie was a Secretary, not a Dispatcher.

Steve Thomas

Stephen,

Mark, good find. Do you happen to know who, if anyone took her place that day?

I guess that would depend on which Channel she normally broadcast on.

Two people operated Channel 1, and one person operated Channel 2.

At 10:00 AM the two Channel 1 operators were J. A. McDaniel and B.D. Huffstutler.

They went off duty at 12:25 and were replaced by C.E. Hulse and M.J. Jackson.

Later in the day (around the time of Tippit's shooting), Jackson was replaced by McDaniel.

I guess McDaniel had gone out to lunch.

Sgt. G.D. Henslee was the Dispatcher for Channel 2 all day.

Police transcripts CE 1974 at 23H832

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol23_0432b.htm

Steve Thomas

Duke,

Immediately thereafter, Hill said:

An accident investigator named Bob Apple was at the location at that time, and we were standing there together near his car

when the call came out that the suspect had been seen entering the Texas Theatre.

(ibid., emphasis added)

Apple neither testified nor made a report of his actions on 11/22, and he is not identified in any of the transcripts by name. In some earlier research, however, I was able to determine that the only Officer Apple on duty that day responded to a request by Officer Barnhart (38) at the behest of Captain Talbert (15) at or around 1:11 to 1:15 p.m. to pick up someone (apparently drunk) being detained by Barnhart (who rode a motorcycle and could not transport anyone) at the dead end of Laws, which is downtown. (CE1974, page 51)

(Unfortunately, I don't immediately remember the source for determining this information. If I come across it, I'll post it.)

Apple's transmissions were on Channel 2.

At 1:12 he radioed and said that he was at the three wheeler's position at the dead end.

Dispatch told him to take the drunk person to the police station and then contact Inspector Sawyer at Elm and Houston.

The Channel 1 broadcasts relating to the Church basement came at 1:33.

McDonald told Dispatch to send a squad car.

Dispatch called for a squad car and 66 (Patrolman Frank S. Williams) reported that he was "enroute".

At 1:34 Dispatch twice calls for Apple on Channel 1 and he does not respond, including one call specifically asking Apple for his location.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/tapes3.htm

Steve Thomas

Lee,

Let's see if I can get away from the 'clusterpost' this way.

Posted list of attendees in the school newspaper, on the day of the event.

Great research work Lee.

Do you have any plans of trying to contact Elizabeth Cole again to show her that list of names?

Steve Thomas