Steve Thomas

Duke,

Does anyone have a copy of - or an online reference to - the report referenced in the subtitle of this topic? Of particular interest is the statement(s) made by or attributed to Sam Pate on or around page six of this report. Thanks in advance for your help!!

You can find an online copy of the report here:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...928&relPageId=2

Steve Thomas

I was reading through the Church Committee boxed files about FBI pre-assassination contact with LHO and there was a reference to check into the allegation that LHO had contacted two subvursives agents on 11/20/63.

The reference in the notes was Sprague IX-C-2-a-61

I'm not sure what that refers to. Something to do with the HSCA maybe?

Steve Thomas

The citation can be found here:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...2&relPageId=118

The allegation says that LHO called the FBI on 11/20/63 to tell tham that Kennedy was going to be assassinated on 11/22. It says that a teletype went out to the Director and New Orleans.

The Sprague reference couldn't be the HSCA. The Church Committee was before the HSCA.

Steve Thomas

I was reading through the Church Committee boxed files about FBI pre-assassination contact with LHO and there was a reference to check into the allegation that LHO had contacted two subvursives agents on 11/20/63.

The reference in the notes was Sprague IX-C-2-a-61

I'm not sure what that refers to. Something to do with the HSCA maybe?

Steve Thomas

Lee,

Steve, is it possible to source the negative?

I don't know. These came from a series of pictures taken at the Carousel Club in early November, 1963. Some of them were published in the WC Hearings as Armstong exhibits 5303 A-M in 19H36-42

The one that shows this particular individual was on page 38, but only showed him from the back.

I had never seen him in profile before.

Steve Thomas

Can anyone who is good at working with pictures enlarge the face of the man I have circled in two of these photos without getting it so pixelated that it becomes unrecognizable?

These come from page 43 of Commission Document 720

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...18&relPageId=43

Thanks,

Steve Thomas

Lee,

12 arrests made that day, as per Roger Craig. I still have an incomplete list. Garrison's Cuban that was released?

Do you know where I can read more about this?

Steve Thomas

Does anyone else have any information on Schmidt?

Schmidt qouted in the Dallas Times Herald on the Adlai Stevenson incident:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...1&relPageId=161

The demonstrators were "severly provoked" by a pro UN spectator.

Steve Thomas

James,

Thanks, Steve.

If Buhk and company were en-route to Dealey Plaza, which isn't far from the Trade Mart when they heard about Tippit being killed, then they would have been milling around for about 45 minutes. Given that, it does indeed suggest that leadership at the Trade Mart was lacking.

I was looking for something else and ran across this exchange in the dispatch tapes at 1:42 PM:

"410 en route from Trade Mart with three detectives to the City Hall, unless otherwise directed."

410 is only identified as the CID or Criminal Investigation Division. The Forgery Bureau came under CID.

Lieutenant Cunninham was a Lieutenant in the Forgery Bureau. I believe that this call at 1:42 came from Cunningham, because he did indeed have three Detectives with him when he left the Trade Mart.

If my memory serves me right, Deputy Chief Batchelor was in charge at the Trade Mart. I think it was Lt. Paul McCaghren who wrote about the lack of leadership at the Trade Mart in maybe Larry Sneed's book, No More Silence.

I believe Batchelor followed Jesse Curry as Chief of Police when Curry retired, and if my memory serves me right, Batchelor's tenure as Chief was an unmitigated disaster.

Steve Thomas

James,

If Walker wasn't at the library, how did he know to broadcast that a suspect was there? I haven't quite figured out that one either.

My apologies. I should have checked first.

Here's the tape transcript:

1208. 223: (tires squealing, noises) 223, he in the library at

Jefferson - east 500 block Marsalis and Jefferson.

1209. 223: 223.

1210. DIS: What's the location, 223?

1211. 223: Marsalis and Jefferson. In the library. I'm going around

the back. Get somebody in front. Get them in fast.

223 is Patrolman C.T. Walker

So he was at the Library. I wonder why he didn't mention that in his after-action report?

As far as Buhk and the others taking so long to get there, I don't think they left the Trade Mart for a while. I think there was a lot of milling around going on before Captain Jones told Buhk, Cunningham, et.al. to go downtown.

Steve

Steve Thomas

There are some aspects of the timing here which has me somewhat confused.Buhk is at the Trade Mart when the word comes through about the assassination. I imagine this would have been within minutes of it happening. He, Cunningham, Toney and Taylor head off for Dealey Plaza but en-route are told of Tippit's murder which according to the Warren Report happened at 1:15pm. These guys were sure taking their time to get into the action.

So on their way to the Tippit murder scene, they get the word that a suspect is in the branch library at Jefferson and Marsalis. It's 1:32pm when C.T. Walker broadcasts the location of the suspect. Was Buhk and the others already there or were they still en-route? If they were already there, how did they know? If they were en-route, then they were driving around for nearly an hour.

At 1:40pm the information comes through that the suspect at the library is the wrong man. Oswald is arrested at the theater at 1:45pm. Four of the officers involved with the action at the theater and who entered the building together were Nick McDonald, T.A. Hudson, Ray Hawkins and C.T. Walker. Walker certainly got to the theater in super quick time. Is this realistic?

BTW, Buhk is a very interesting character. In 1952 he was an assistant jailer when John Howard Pressley was beaten. Buhk was the acting supervisor that night and copped a 30 day suspension. Assistant jailer Herbert Shafer was fired and Apprentice Policeman C.A. Moore was suspended for 15 days.

Buhk was also reduced in rank to Patrolman.

FWIW.

Marvin Buhk below.

James

James,

I had heard once through the grapevine that leadership at the Trade Mart was noticeably lacking. People were wandering around not knowing WHAT to do, and finally officers started taking it on themselves to get things done.

In his after-action report, Lt. Cunningham wrote that they headed south on Industrial from the Trade Mart. Just about the time they got to Oak Lawn, all available officers were asked to report to Tenth and East Jefferson. Cunningham decided to proceed diretly there instead of going downtown. While heading for Tippit's murder scene, word came over the radio about the suspect in the Library.

In his after-action report, Walker wrote that he was cruising in the area of 10th and Beckley looking for Tippit's killer when he heard over the radio that the suspect was in the theater. That would only be about two blocks over and one block down. I'm not sure that Walker went to the Library.

PS: How did you get your info about Buhk?

Steve Thomas

Robert,

I am sorry about taking so long to respond to inquiries about the 'Secret Service' agent at the Church, I have 3 or 4 things I am working on simultaneously and the main reflection of this 'overload' factor unfortunately is on the Forum posts.

Although, I have never read the book, Dale Myers "With Malice" mentions that (I believe it was a Dallas Police Officer, although it may have been the kid they thought was the Tippit murderer) someone at the ABT identified himself as a Secret Service officer there, which I thought was very, very strange.

Thanks for responding.

Based on the above paragraph, I believe that you are referring to DPD Officer Marvin Buhk and it wasn't the ABT, it was the Library.

At 12:30 in the afternoon on November 22nd, Detective Marvin Buhk of the Dallas City Police Forgery Bureau was supplementing security at the Dallas Trade Mart where President Kennedy was due to give a speech that afternoon. He was on duty on the fourth floor of the Trade Mart when he received word of the President’s assassination. He said that Captain Jones then instructed him to proceed with Lt. Cunningham, E.E. Taylor, and J.B. Toney to the scene of the assassination to see what they could do. Enroute to the scene, they received word that a police officer had been shot in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas and Lt. Cunningham decided that they could do more good by going to that location immediately, rather than by way of the President’s shooting. While they were driving, they received word of the suspect being in the branch library at Jefferson and Marsalis. As Buhk wrote in his after-action report to Police Chief Jesse Curry on December 3, 1963, “We converged on that location and there were Secret Service men and other patrol and CID officers present when all the people were ordered out of the building. One of the Secret Service men stated the person who came out of the basement with the others was not the suspect and that he had already talked to him a few minutes previously.”

Now maybe Buhk meant to write "Special Service" instead of "Secret Service", which would make sense, but Buhk was a Detective in the Forgery Bureau and should have known the difference.

Notice that Marvin Buhk speaks of more than one Agent being present. The “Agent” Buhk spoke to was also a primary catalyst in shifting attention away from the branch library. At 1:32PM, Patrolman C.T. Walker broadcasts on Channel 2 that the suspect is in the Library. At approximately 1:40 Sergeant C.B. Owens tells Dispatch, and the Dispatcher broadcasts to all cars to “Disregard all information on the suspect arrested, it was the wrong man.”. This is only about an eight-minute window of opportunity. When did these “secret service men” arrive at the Library, how did they know to go there, and when did one of them have time to “talk to the man previously”?

From Report to Chief J. E. Curry, by Marvin A. Buhk. Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald, (Original), 12/03/63. Dallas Police Archives, Box 2 Folder # 7: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

Transcript of Radio Log, Channel 2. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, Sawyer Exhibit A, volume XXI, pp. 396-397, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol21_0211a.htm

Steve Thomas

Lee,

Lonnie Ray Wright w/m/ - 3 time loser. Drunk, put in jail. Was on RR track.

Where is the arrest report? Where on the RR track? Is that the man photographed by Jack Beers? I just read a Lancer post by Steve Thomas. He did a great job of trying to figure this one out as well. The man described in the radio transcript does not match the man Beers photographed - is it Wright?

Based on the timing of the dispatches, I believe the person being described below is Lonnie Ray Wright:

At 1:12 # 243 calls in on Channel 2. #243 is Patrolman B. L. Apple

“I’m down here with this three wheeler at the dead-end of Laurels (sic) and he has got black hair. He is 42 years old and got a light colored jacket on and he is pretty drunk but he has been walking down these railroad tracks. Do you want me to take him up there or what do you want me to do with him?"

Along the lines of suspicious vehicles, I have always found these exchanges intriguing:

According to CE 1974 at 23H885, at approximately 2:20PM, Unit 474A (which is only identified as the Special Services Bureau) is dispatched to pick up a "subject on this overpass, carrying a rifle; railroad tracks, Cobb Stadium." 474A was asked if he could see the subject. 474A said no, but that they would go over and get him.

At 2:23, Unit 22 (Patrolman L.L. Hill) was dispatched to go out to Cobb Stadium on the railroad track overpass and meet 474A at the railroad tracks. "There is a white male carrying a rifle" (23H886)

At 2:26, unit 562 (a wrecker) radioed in and said that he was at Cobb stadium "for that suspect's car" (23H887). The Dispatcher told the wrecker to wait there, that 474A will "be back in a minute".

At 2:27, Unit 52(unknown) radioed in and asked if the T.C. Cobb Stadium was on the Hines Blvd overpass, the railroad overpass, or the freeway overpass and asked which direction the suspect was walking. The Dispatcher's response was garbled, but said he didn't know about the direction. (23H887)

At 2:28 Patrolman Hill reported that he was with the wrecker at Cobb Stadium and Unit 474A was ordered to go there. (23H887)

474A radios in and says, "The car that we want picked up is on the parking lot if front of the Merchandise Mart just north of Cobb Stadium."

22 asks if it is a 1964 Falcon. 474A says, "No. It is a red panel truck with writing on the side... license plate 3E9087. (23H888)

The time on Elrod's Arrest Record is given as 2:45 pm.

As early as 2:03 PM, Unit 474A was calling for a wrecker. "We need a wrecker on the parking lot just west of Cobb's stadium for suspect's car." (23H881)

At 2:26, unit 562 (a wrecker) radioed in and said that he was at Cobb stadium "for that suspect's car" (23H887). The Dispatcher told the wrecker to wait there, that 474A will "be back in a minute".

What suspect was that? At 2:03 unit 474A is looking to pick up a "suspect's" car, but 474A wasn't dispatched to pick up the suspect walking on the railroad tracks until 2:20 PM. (23H885)

There follows as series of transmissions from 474A looking for Deputy Chief M.W. Stevenson and Lieutenant C.C. Wallace.

Steve Thomas

James,

The timing of this alleged assassination plot is curious and I was hoping someone would have some more details regarding this?

From Edward Epstein's diary entry:

http://edwardjayepstein.com/diary/devosjoli.htm

"I had been invited to the Consortium for the Study of Intelligence, a foundation-financed project of the so-called Nation strategy Information Center. It was a series of conferences on international deception at which top officials of the CIA, FBI, Defense Intelligence Agency and Israeli Intelligence service discussed the concept of counterintelligence. Since I was writing a book on the subject, I found it useful to attend. The April Conference was held at 1800 K Street. Among the guests was a short, bald-headed man, Philippe de Vosjoli. "I am probably the only French intelligence officer in history to defect to the United States," he said.

Over a leisurely dinner, he explained that he had been posted to Washington in 1960 as the liaison officer between the French intelligence service, SDECE, and the CIA. He was the first French liaison officer. In this capacity, he worked closely with Angleton. Beginning in 1962, Angleton warned him that a CIA source, Anatoli Golitsyn, who had defected from the Russian Embassy in Finland, had revealed that the KGB had managed to infiltrate SDECE, his own intelligence service, at the highest levels. At first, he had assumed Golitsyn was a "lunatic". Then, Angleton gave him a "shopping list" of questions about US missile programs. It was, according to Golitsyn, to be filled by SDECE officers moonlighting for the KGB. Again, it sounded "insane" to him that French officers would be spies for the KGB and acquire US secrets on demand. His view changed radically when SDECE headquarters told him to organize a spying operation in Washington. Its targets were precisely the ones that Golitsyn had identified. He alerted the head of his service that a KGB spy ring was operating from within its ranks. In November 1963, he learned from an associate in France that he had been ordered assassinated by his own intelligence service. When he received a telegram the next week ordering him back to Paris, he assumed it was his death notice.

Rather than returning to Paris, he resigned from the French Secret Service in November 1963. Angleton helped arranged his defection. After years of hiding his identity, he sold a book idea to Leon Uris for Topaz, and moved to Lighthouse Point, Florida.

He told me over a leisurely dinner that he still had extensive files on the "take" from Golitsyn which I could see if I came to Florida. It was an offer I quickly accepted."

Steve Thomas

From the Library Hotline 3/6/06:

The U.S. National Archives is partnering with Google in a pilot program to make holdings of the National Arhives available for free online. The pilot program will begin with 101 films, "but NARA and Google are exploring the possibility of expanding the online film collection and making NARA's extensive text holdings available electronically."

video.google.com/nara.html or

www.archives.gov

Steve Thomas

Hi Duke,

[/indent]There is, of course, a quid pro quo of sorts: I need a wee tad of help.

Francesca,

Hi Robert,

I got this from my fellow DPUKer Ian Griggs - thought he may know about any possible link to the DPD:

Hi Francesca,

Firstly, I wonder if the last name - Herbert Lee - was Lee

Harvey Oswald.

From Mary Ferrell's database:

LAST LEE FIRST HERBERT MID/AKA LEON

ADDRESS 1026 N. Beckley, Dallas, TX; 1993: Garrison, TX (near LA-TX line)

'PHONE

SOURCES CD 86, pp. 559-565; CD 206, p. 140

COMMENT Claims FBI interviewed him soon after assassination.

Steve Thomas

John,

Christopher Pyle, a thumbnail bio of which appears here, was one of my instructors. He seemed to be the only one not advocating making ...'Haiphong harbor a mud puddle.' Now, where have I heard that one before?? I took Constitutional Law instruction from him. I think I'll contact him and suggest he join. Chris would like it here. Besides, we might get some insider stuff about Ervin et al.

Thank you for your kind words.

I think it would be outstanding if Christopher Pyle could join.

Steve Thomas

Mr. Caddy,

I did not have a lengthy substantive conversation with Hunt until after he was released from prison, when on one occasion we had dinner at a restaurant in Washington, D.C. Even then our conversation was circumspect, so that today I am still in the dark as to why there was a break-in at the Democratic Party headquarters.

Thank you.

Steve Thomas

Robert,

Do you have any documentary evidence for this? I mean, is it on paper somewhere?

Thanks,

Steve Thomas

No documentary evidence exists that I am aware of, but does the photo need an explanation, in the context of the material on this thread?

Thank you. I wasn't referring to the photo, I was referring to your comment about the "Secret Service Agent."

Steve Thomas

Robert,

I know this will generate a lot of 'yeah right' responses. But the Dallas Police had been to the Dallas Public Library branch location, somewhat close to the Tippit shooting, then to the Abundant Life Temple, where another 'Secret Service' agent materialized (that point never addressed by anyone whatsoever).

Do you have any documentary evidence for this? I mean, is it on paper somewhere?

Thanks,

Steve Thomas

Lee,

Some info on the Lucas B&B.... I don't know who the owner of the B&B would have been at the time of Sam Pate's story.

I once did some poking around on the Lucas B&B, and here's what I came up with. These are just raw notes.

In the DPD Archives, attached to a typed complaint about three men in a blue and white Ford speeding on South Hampton at about 3:00 p.m. on the 22nd, there is this undated, handwritten note:

Off B.M. Simmons 1514 was eating breakfast at Lucas B&B at 4:00 a.m. Tuesday and heard a waitress say that she had seen Ruby with Oswald in B&B several times.

Beck

(DPD Archives Box 7, Folder# 8, Item# 39)

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box7.htm

Simmons worked the Traffic Division, Accident Prevention Bureau 11:00p.m. to 7:00 a.m. shift under Sgt. W.R. Russell (Batchelor Exhibit 5002 at 19H132.)

The Beck who signed this handwritten note would more than like by Ernest R. Beck who worked the Criminal Investigation Division, Homicide and Robbery Bureau under Captain Fritz. (Batchelor Exhibit 5002 at 19H145.)

On January 27, 1964 District Attorney, Henry Wade wrote an Undeveloped Lead – Ruby Case memorandum. The memo reads:

Olin Scurlock, EM3-1061, called Thursday, January 23, and stated that a friend of his, Paul Emory’s barber had told him that one of the Lucases at the B&B Café on Oak Lawn had told him that Ruby had been in their place of business with Oswald on more than one occasion.

Emory, the barber and Lucas should be interviewed to see if there is anything to this or not.

A handwritten annotation at the bottom of this memo reads: Interview Mary Lawrence 4325 Chestnut

(DPD Archives Box 18, Folder# 7, Item# 29

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm

The Lucas B&B at 3520 Oak Lawn, phone number, LA 6-9097 was a couple of doors down from the Vegas Club at 3508 Oak Lawn. I imagine that Ruby dropped in there quite frequently after the Vegas Club closed at 2:00 a.m.; in fact, he had a history with the B&B as he was arrested there by Officers W. M. Wall and Detective C. W. Deloney at 3:34 in the morning on July 26, 1953 for carrying a concealed weapon. Interestingly enough, in his memo to Chief Curry written on December 12, 1963, Deloney said that Dr. George Boswell, “a resident physician at Parkland Hospital was with us.”

(DPD Archives Box 5, Folder# 7, Item# 21)

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm

Ruby was released by R. L. Patton and P. Dillehay by permission of Captain Westbrook.

DPD Archives Box 5, Folder# 7, Item# 20

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm

As early as the 24th of November, authorities were aware of this possible connection between Oswald and Ruby. On November 24, 1963 FBI Agents Nat Pinkston and George Carlson interviewed Pete Lucas, Manager of the Lucas B&B Restaurant. Lucas told the FBI that Ruby used to frequent the coffee shop section of the restaurant, but he had been kicked out for creating a disturbance with another customer and told never to come back. The interview report reads in part, “MR. LUCAS stated that he knows of no particular associates of RUBY other than the fact that he has seen him on occasions in the company of Dallas Police Officers and riding in Dallas Police Squad cars.” Lucas was shown a photograph of Oswald and told the FBI that had never seen Oswald in the company of Jack Ruby.

Henry Wade wrote his memo on January 27, 1964. Apparently Wade had received information that one of the Lucases had told someone that Ruby had “been in their place of business with Oswald on more than one occasion.”

On the 28th, Detective D. N. Boyd of the DPD Criminal Intelligence Section interviewed Pete Lucas. In his memo to Chief Curry, Boyd said that Lucas stated that both Jack Ruby and his sister, Eva Grant were forbidden to enter his restaurant. Lucas stated that waitress Mary Lawrence had told him that she saw Ruby and Oswald eating in the restaurant prior to the assassination. Lucas went on to tell Boyd that Lawrence was a chronic xxxx and tended to fabricate stories. Lucas said that there was no truth to the story.

However, at the end of the memo, Boyd wrote that Lucas told him that the FBI and two detectives from the Homicide Bureau had already interviewed Mary Lawrence.

DPD Archives Box 18, Folder# 7, Item# 19

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm

In the DPD Archives, there is a copy of an interview with Mary Lawrence conducted by Detectives R. W. Westphal and P. M. Parks of the Criminal Intelligence Section, but it is dated January 30, 1964 – two days after the interview with Pete Lucas referenced earlier.

I have not yet found a copy of the FBI interview with Mary Lawrence, nor are there copies of any earlier interviews of her conducted by the DPD.

In the January 30th interview, Mary told the Dallas Police that Oswald had come into the Lucas B&B at about 2:15 a.m. on November 22nd. (The Oswald we know was home in bed in Irving at that time). She stated that this man was positively Lee Harvey Oswald. “Oswald” said he was waiting for Jack Ruby. Ruby came in a short time later, and “Oswald” joined him. “Oswald” left around 2:45 a.m. She then went on to say that she couldn’t be sure that it was Oswald, but if he had a small deep scar on his left cheek, it was him. She then told the Police that a few days after the assassination she received an anonymous phone call telling her to get out of town or she would die.

DPD Archives Box 18, Folder# 7, Item# 24

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm

The handwritten note from Beck concerning information Officer Simmons had received, and the memo from Henry Wade about an undeveloped lead, both indicate that Ruby and Oswald were observed together in the Lucas B&B on more than one occasion. The DPD interview of Mary Lawrence only references this one incident.

I tried to email the “eric” you referenced at the aol email address he had in 2000, but it bounced back as undeliverable.

From the HSCA deposition of Jack Todd (a notorius Dallas criminal):

Q. Did you ever back in the, we'll say, the early 50's, do. you recall a restaurant called the B & B on Oaklawn Street?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you used to frequent that?

A. On occasions, yes, sir.

I appears that the Lucas B&B Restaurant was part of larger concern.

On March 18, 1999 the Texas House of Representatives adopted a Resolution honoring the memory of George Faithon Lucas, who in 1938, returned from college to devote his time and talents to the family businesses of Lucas Farms in Mesquite and the Lucas B&B restaurant in Dallas and at his father's behest ran the farm during World War II. George died at the age of 79 in April of 1998. Under his direction, the Resolution reads, “WHEREAS, Throughout the years, Lucas Farms prospered greatly under his direction, growing to become one of the largest dairies in Texas; at one time, it included more than 4,000 acres and 600 milk cows…”

“RESOLVED, That the House of Representatives of the 76th Texas Legislature hereby honor the memory of George Faithon Lucas and extend sincere sympathy to the members of his family: to his daughter and son-in-law, Carolyn Lucas Bass and John R. Bass, Sr.; to his grandson, John R. Bass, Jr., and his wife, Eloise Barry Bass; to his granddaughter, Sarah Elizabeth Bass; to his brother and sister-in-law, Faithon P. Lucas, Jr., and Evelyn Dees Lucas; to his sisters and brother-in-law, Elizabeth Faithon Lucas, Mary Lucas Barunes, Helen Lucas Pappas, and Pete H. Pappas; to his sister-in-law, Ethel Zotos Lucas; and to his 17 nieces and nephews.”

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/76R/billtext/HR00242F.HTM

Lucas Farms was in Mesquite. Mary Lawrence lived there as well.

Steve Thomas

Dallas History Message Board

Re: Lucas B&B

Posted By: Lee Chevalier <lee.c2.chevalier@mail.sprint.com>

Date: Thursday, 12 September 2002, at 12:27 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Lucas B&B (Jerry Felts)

Actually, the Lucas family, though dispersed, is still in several food operations in/around DFW. They have that lovely Greek habit of large families, all tied to one another in sometimes remote ways. The Lucas B&B neon sign was left (alas, not the Phil's Delicatessen sign across the street) on Oak Lawn as its family owners hit a generation who wanted to develop other businesses. The original Lucas B&B (Better and Better?) cafes in the last century were downtown (there's a good photo in A.C.'s book) in several locations, including the Adolphus (Akard side entrance behind the cigar store) Hotel before they moved into the Oak Lawn location. Faithon Lucas could boast that his eggs came from his own farms; that you could eat breakfast at any time ("Have an 'After the Show'," the menu offered, referring to the nearby Esquire Theatre).

The last B&B location, since filled by Pappadeaux, included a separate cocktail lounge and the breakfast room replete with Miss Polly and other "Flo"-type waitpersons.

The intersection of Oak Lawn and Lemmon is worth a chapter in any Dallas history. The Lucas family also included Virginia Nick, who has underwritten opera, cultural events (especially Greek) and Greek Orthodox labors in this region.

Steve Thomas

Mr. Caddy,

When Hunt came to my residence about an hour after the arrests, having a short time earlier telephoned me from his office in the Executive Office Building that adjoins the White House, I was amazed that he did not fully comprehend the significance of what had occurred at the Watergate complex and its potential grave impact.

From what you know, why was the Watergte broken into?

Steve Thomas

Mark,

This "young man" running from behing the TSBD to Houston and Pacific, then down Pacific is a new one for me.

More than likely, this was James Worrell. You can read his actions that day here:

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/worrell.htm

Steve Thomas

Lee,

I think this may be a good place to dump just about anything - but my primary intent was to look at KBOX-AM. Found some interesting stuff.

From the last posting on that comments page:

From: Rosalyn Pate Friday, February 3, 2006 at 13:10:54

I am Sam Pate's Daughter.

If you want the facts conact Sam yourself.

Sam can be reached at sampate@sbcglobal.net.

He has some other pretty cool stories, too. All true by the way!

Steve Thomas

Has anyone ever heard anything about something called Goosecreek?

I was looking in the NARA database for something else and ran across a couple of entries like this 1963 CIA memo from Tokyo to Washington:

AGENCY INFORMATION

AGENCY : CIA

RECORD NUMBER : 104-10176-10018

RECORDS SERIES : JFK

AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : CIA

FROM : TOKYO

TO : WASHINGTON

TITLE : WILLIAM H. MARTIN WAS ADMITTED CONTACT GEORGE

PERISTEROPOLOS.

DATE : 01/01/1963

PAGES : 2

DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

SUBJECTS : GOOSECREEK; JFK ASSASSINATION

CLASSIFICATION :

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : RELEASED WITH DELETIONS

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 06/16/2004

COMMENTS : JFK64-12 : F6 : 20040303-1053483 :

and this 1961 memo from Washington to Frankfurt:

AGENCY INFORMATION

AGENCY : CIA

RECORD NUMBER : 104-10185-10362

RECORDS SERIES : JFK

AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : CIA

FROM : WASHINGTON

TO : FRANKFURT

TITLE : CABLE: RE PARA 1 REF, CONCUR. RE PARA 4, HAVE

DISCUSSED

DATE : 04/20/1961

PAGES : 1

DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

SUBJECTS : GOOSECREEK; QJWIN

CLASSIFICATION : TOP SECRET

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 08/11/1998

COMMENTS : JFK64-20 : F13 : 1998.08.11.19:30:06:123031 :

I thought the subject line in both these memos was kind of interesting.

Steve Thomas