Steve Thomas

Hi Bill,

  Where was Bill Greer, the driver of the presidential limousine the night of November 21st and the early morning hours of November 22, 1963?

Bill Greer's after-action report is at 18H723 here:

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol18_0369a.htm

While he starts his narrative at 11:30 on the morning of the 22nd, James Rowley said that of the 9 SS Agents who went to the Press Club and 10 Agents who went to the Cellar, only four agents went to these places who were also in the motorcade: Landis, Hill, Ready, and Bennett.

Steve Thomas

Antti,

Golwater sticker, out-of-state license plate and sticker of scenic attraction. Could the state be Arizona and the sticker a Grand Canyon sticker?

FWIW, I once contacted the Automobile License Plate Collectors Association of America and asked them what state had that particular configuration - six black numbers, no letters, on a white background in 1963.

I was told that only one state had that configuration in 1963 - Virginia.

Steve Thomas

James,

Do you know if this FBI guy Pinkston was ever questioned or confirmed what happened?

He testified before the WC, but only about examining Oswald's Clipboard in December.

Looks like he filed a report with Gordon Shanklin on his activities on November 22nd. From the National Archives:

AGENCY INFORMATION

AGENCY : FBI

RECORD NUMBER : 124-10027-10331

RECORDS SERIES : DL

AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 89-43-89

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : FBI

FROM : PINKSTON, NAT A.

TO : SAC, DL

TITLE : [No Title]

DATE : 11/23/1963

PAGES : 2

DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

SUBJECTS : EVID, FPT, PPT, RIFLE, CRIME SCENE DALLAS, PD, TSBD

CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 10/26/1992

Steve Thomas

Those of you who study JFK's assassination in the context of world developments may be interested in a new research tool. From the press blurb:

"The origins of the National Intelligence Council (NIC) can be traced back to

the period after World War II when there was increased interest in providing

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National Intelligence Estimates on China from the period 1948 to 1976."

The collection of documents has this to say:

The NIC Collection includes hundreds of declassified National Intelligence Estimates and other publications produced by the National Intelligence Council or its predecessor organizations, the Office of National Estimates and the Office of Reports and Estimates. The NIC database, housed within CIA's Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Electronic Reading Room, includes some 1100 documents that have been declassified and made available to the public, either partially or in their entirety, under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The earliest of these dates back to 1946; several were published as late as the 1990s. Additional items are being added regularly. Collectively, they constitute an important historical record of Intelligence Community analysis at the highest level; individually, many make for fascinating and instructive reading.

Here's the NIC Collection website:

http://www.cia.gov/nic/NIC_foia_intro.html

I liked this one:

"Would the loss of South Vietnam and Laos Precipitate a Domino Effect in the F?" dated 6/9/64

The conclusion was no. "We do not believe that the loss of South Vietnam and Laos would be followed by the rapid, successive communization of the other states of the Far East. ...With the possible exception of Cambodia, it is likely that no nation in the area would quickly succumb to communism as a result of the fall of Laos and South Vietnam. Furthermore, a continuation of the spread of communism in the area would not be ineorable..."

So much for what we were told.

Steve Thomas

Tim,

Through these individuals Margeson met a man called 'Tex' who arrived from New Orleans in late 1962 or early 1963. Tex reportedly was a hitman and described as a white male, late 20's, 5'6" to 5' 9", slender build, 135 pounds, with former military service and a rotten disposition.

Another FBI document associated "Tex" and "Larry." [Allen L. Capwell 4808 Midlb Warsaw NY 14569 716-786-3897]

I found this part of what you wrote to be very interesting because in an 2003 article by Peter Whitney, called, DECEPTION AND DECEIT: MEDIA COVERAGE OF JFK’S ASSASSINATION

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/W.../Deception.html

Whitney wrote,

"Although the Warren Commission downplayed Ruby’s alleged ties to organized crime, his former handyman, Curtis Laverne Craford (aka Larry Crafard) told me in 2001 that Ruby was a Mafia “wannabe.” He also revealed to me that he had been a hitman in the San Francisco area prior to coming to Dallas in the fall of 1963, following his release from the U.S. Army after only fourteen months, while stationed in West Germany. " Crafard got out of the Army in 1959.

Steve Thomas

Hi James,

Thanks, Steve.

Well that is fascinating to say the least.

This next one is facinating to me as well:

Following the assassination, Detectives Richard M. Sims and Elmer L. Boyd of the Homicide and Robbery Bureau filed a joint after-action report with Police Chief Jesse Curry. They were on the sixth floor when the rifle was found. As part of their report, they wrote, “Detective Studebaker and Lieutenant Day took pictures of the rifle. Mr. Pinkston of the F.B.I. and a Secret Service Agent were there at the time the pictures were being made. We don’t know the Secret Service agent’s name. "

Steve Thomas

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I don't know why, but my reply to James made it into the Forum, but not into the queue of messages.

Bill,

Take note that there are two "white hats" on the walkway with their coats over their arm.

I don't know if you meant to imply that these men are from the Homicde Bureau, but when I showed this picture to two former Dallas Policemen, one of them told me that these men would not be Detectives, precisely because they are carrying coats. To paraphrase, one of them said no Homicide Detective worth his salt would be investigating a crime scene carrying a coat.

Steve Thomas

Hi James,

Thanks, Steve.

Well that is fascinating to say the least.

This next one is facinating to me as well:

Following the assassination, Detectives Richard M. Sims and Elmer L. Boyd of the Homicide and Robbery Bureau filed a joint after-action report with Police Chief Jesse Curry. They were on the sixth floor when the rifle was found. As part of their report, they wrote, “Detective Studebaker and Lieutenant Day took pictures of the rifle. Mr. Pinkston of the F.B.I. and a Secret Service Agent were there at the time the pictures were being made. We don’t know the Secret Service agent’s name. "

Steve Thomas

James,

I wonder if another participant was located around the TSBD with fake SS credentials as well?

From the WC testimony of Sergeant D.V. Harkness:

Mr. BELIN - Then you went around to the back of the building?

Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN - Was anyone around in the back when you got there?

Mr. HARKNESS - There were some Secret Service agents there. I didn't get them identified. They told me they were Secret Service.

I suspect that these were the same people that James Romack saw:

Mr. BELIN. Did you see any employees walk up the back way?

Mr. ROMACK. There was two other gentlemen which I never said anything about, that taken over. They were FBI or something standing right here at the very entrance, and just stood there.

Mr. BELIN. You are pointing again to the back stairway that leads up from the street to the dock on the north side of the building?

Mr. ROMACK. Right.

Steve Thomas

Jim,

The FBI files on Oswald still exist

The CIA files on Oswald still exist

The State Department files on Oswald still exist

Is it logical to believe that the destroyed Army Intelligence File on Lee Harvey Oswald was also being kept up to date and read at the highest levels of the Military? 

I guess there will always be lingering doubts that the Army files were in fact destroyed.

This from: SENATOR SAM ERVIN AND THE ARMY SPY SCANDAL OF 1970-1971: BALANCING NATIONAL SECURITY AND CIVIL LIBERTIES IN A FREE SOCIETY

Karl E. Campbell

http://cmhpf.org/senator%20sam%20ervin.htm

Although Pyle succeeded in bringing the secret CONUS program to the public's attention, he left many apprehensive Americans wanting to know more, including Sam Ervin.[11] The Senator joined more than a dozen other congress­men from both political parties in ordering the Army to issue "an immediate explanation." [12] From the floor of the Senate Ervin declared, "Clearly, the Army has no business operating data banks for surveillance of private citizens; nor do they have any business in domestic politics." He went on to question the constitutionality of an "ever‑curious" Executive Branch secretly watching and maintaining files on law‑abiding Americans. He called the Army's surveillance program "a violation of the First Amendment rights of our entire nation."[13]

Instead of answering Ervin's concerns, the Army chose to cover up. Robert E. Jordan III, Army General Counsel, froze all responses to congressional inquiries. Agents received orders to gather only "essential elements of information," and not to discuss the CONUS operation with any civilian.[14] Behind the scenes intelligence officers at Fort Holabird removed from the files the embarrassing items to which Pyle had referred in his article.[15] Officers also telephoned agents across the country telling them to hide, but not destroy, any files until the controversy blew over.[16] To organize its response to the crisis, the Pentagon formed a "task group" which met in the "Domestic War Room" deep in the basement of the Pentagon. As one member of that group later recalled: "[We] proceeded from the start to deny any and all charges, factual or otherwise."[17]

The military intelligence bureaucracy fought back tenaciously against members of Congress, reporters, or any other American citizen who wanted to know more about their highly questionable domestic surveillance system. In the name of defending democracy and freedom, the officers in charge of the secret national security program acted in a manner more consistent with totalitarian regimes. In order to cover up the excesses of their domestic spying, CONUS commanders throughout the country began to replace all of their newer agents with older career soldiers.[18] Intelligence units received orders "to just hide it, get it out of the way, this will all blow over."[19] At some bases they destroyed the data but kept the "input" (the computer keypunch cards), or copied the information onto microfilm before destroying it.[20] As one clerk later recalled, "The order didn't say to destroy the information, just destroy the Compendium [a computer data bank]."[21] Typical were the actions of the officers in the 116th Military Intelligence Group at Fort McNair in Washington D.C. who classified all of their files and threatened anyone disclosing anything about their domestic surveillance would be court‑martial or prosecuted in civilian court for violation of national security."[22]

Steve Thomas

Footnotes:

[11]. Typical was the North Carolinian who wrote to Ervin: "I hope you will investigate this situation and bring the power of the Senate to act to protect the citizens of this nation from further encroachment of their rights." Cong. Rec., 91st Cong., 2nd sess., 2226. All of the participants in Ervin's hearings with whom I spoke confirmed Ervin's frequent claim that the subcommittee received hundreds of letters in reaction to Pyle's revelations. See U.S., Congress. Senate, Committee on the Judiciary, Military Surveillance of Civilian Politics, a report of the Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights, 93rd Cong., 1st sess., 1973, 2 (hereafter cited as "Military Surveillance Report, 1973").

[12]. Ervin to Stanley R. Resor, 22 January 1970, Samuel J. Ervin Papers, southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (hereafter cited as “Ervin Papers”), box 408, folder 458. This letter and other correspondence between Ervin and the departments of Defense and Justice concerning military surveillance may also be found in Cong. Rec., 91st Cong., 2nd sess., 26333‑26350; and in U.S., Congress, Senate, Committee on the Judiciary, Federal Data Banks, Computers, and the Bill of Rights, Hearings Before the Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights, Part II, Documentary Analysis, 92nd Cong., 1st sess., 1971 (hereafter cited as "Documen­tary Analysis, 1971").

[13]. Cong. Rec., 91st Cong., 2nd sess., 2227.

[14]. Christopher H. Pyle, "CONUS Revisited: The Army Covers Up", Washington Monthly 2, July 1970, 50. Pyle combined this article with his January article to form the basis of his testimony before the committee's hearings in 1971 (hereafter cited as "Pyle Testimony"). See U.S., Congress, Senate, Committee on the Judiciary, Federal Data Banks, Computers, and the Bill of Rights, Hearings Before the Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights, Part I, 92nd Cong., 1st sess., 1971 (hereafter cited as "Ervin Hearings, 1971").

[15]. Military Surveillance Report, 1973, 98; Laird v. Tatum, 408 U.S. 1 (1972).

[16]. Donner, The Age of Surveillance, 317.

[17]. Edward Sohier, Testimony before the Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights, February 24, 1971, Ervin Hearings, 1971, 278‑279. Sohier's testimony, along with sections of other ex‑intelligence agents' testimony, appears in Barth, Uncle Sam is Watching You.

[18]. Military Surveillance Report, 1973, 99.

[19]. Donner, The Age of Surveillance, note 78, 508.

[20]. Joseph Hanlon, "Army Drops Data Banks but Keeps Data Banks," Computerworld, 11 March 1970, Documentary Analysis, 1646. Pyle also cited this in his testimony before the committee, and added that officials at Fort Holabird destroyed some computer tapes but hid others and filed some under different names.

[21]. Military Surveillance Report, 1973, 100.

[22]. Military Surveillance Report, 1973, 99. Also cited in Pyle testimony, Ervin Hearings, 1971, 209.

Jim,

I

“Most disturbing was the destruction by the Army intelligence of Oswald's Army intelligence file. The suspicion immediately was that this was part of a cover up. We interviewed all of the officers who were responsible for the order to destroy it, and while we have the testimony of these individuals, we do not have the file.’

This is from an interview with Christopher Pyle - who testified before the Ervin Committee around 1970:

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/...ohide/pyle.html

Pyle: "Oh yes. And in 1973 I was on the committee staff that wrote it. We wrote the Privacy Act. It was a funny thing. After all these disclosures: the COINTELPRO disclosures, the FBI [disclosures], the Watergate disclosures, the Army disclosures - and the Army was just the lead up to all this stuff. The beginning of Watergate, so to speak. After all those disclosures, there was a general consensus among the politicians in Washington that we needed a law protecting privacy.

But among other things, we had a provision in there saying that the Army - that the government - that no government agency will maintain files on wholly lawful political activity of citizens. And in anticipation of that law going into effect in 1974, in late '73 the Army started burning all its files. And I interviewed some the agents who did the burning over the Christmas holidays because the Army didn't want people filing Freedom of Information Act and Privacy Act requests for the documents.

And so I went into that giant warehouse at Fort Holabird, that big, black building I told you about, which had enormous files. And to get a sense of it, these things were on racks. It looked a Home Depot with all these racks. And they had a cherry picker on rails that rode down the aisles - up and down the aisles, computer run by a console in the corner - picking off the shelves. They had 108 linear feet of files on the Communist Party U.S.A. just to give you a sense of the quantity of paper files they had on political activity. All of that had to be burned. "

Steve Thomas

Bill,

The white hat was common among Dallas detectives in the Homicide diviision. I believe they were given the nickname "The White Hats".

You are right about the white stetsons worn by members of the Homicide and Robbery Bureau. I asked two former Dallas policemen if they recognized the gentleman in the suit. Neitehr said they recognized him. I believe that the man in the suit is a civilian. If he was a Detective, the patrolman would not be shooing him away from the scene. The white hat on the patrolman indicates that he was a member of the Traffic Division.

Steve Thomas

Bill,

Here is a little cleaner enlargement for you, Steve.

Thanks. I ran across this copy on a page by Dave Conklin.

http://home.earthlink.net/~dconklin3/JFK.html

(Sorry, I can't post it here until I clean up my pevious posts)

Steve Thomas

Bill,

Steve - You are not looking at the same windows that Duncan is talking about from what I can tell. Note where the bottom of the fire escape comes in relation to the sill.

Thanks. I think you are right. I don't remember where I copied this from, but it was a blowup of this set of pictures:

(I had to delete the photo I used before 'cause I was "out of space" :-) )

Steve Thomas

Duncan,

The images are self explanatory IMO.I see what appears to be a figure in Altgens with possibly a rifle leaning over the 3rd floor window of the Dal-Tex building just seconds after the first shot was fired.

I cropped the area you mentioned and blew it up some. I don't know if this will show up here or not, but I was surprised to see two beedy little eyes looking back at me.

Steve Thomas

I have been reading Peter Noyes, Legacy of Doubt over the weekend.

In his book, Noyes wrote, "I was somewhat startled during a conversation with the California Attorney General's office in 1968, when he said that information picked up by agents in the field indicated that Oswald was connected with far right extremist groups following his return from the Soviet Union; he was not the sniveling little Communist everyone thought him to be. The Attorney General's official pointed out that undercover officers had infiltrated the Minutemen and were startled to hear members of the gun-toting cadre heap praise on Oswald and embrace him as one of their own."

It sort of reminded me of Guy Bannister telling his Secretary, "He's one of us."

Does anyone have any information on this subject? It might explain why American Nazi Party Head, George Lincoln Rockwell's name was in Oswald's address book.

Steve Thomas

Richard,

The son of a farmer, he had never completed high school.

I found that part of what you wrote to be interesting, because the Head of the Secret Service, James Rowley told the Warren Commission, "The men we recruit are men that are college graduates and mature, and screen them very carefully, particularly before we assign them to the White House detail."

and later,

"Mr. RANKIN. Now, I think the Commission would be interested in the requirements or standards that you have for agents. Do you require a college education now?

Mr. ROWLEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. RANKIN. And are there any other conditions or standards that you would like to describe?

Mr. DULLES. May I inquire for one point? Is that a college education for the White House detail?

Mr. ROWLEY. No; that is for all the agents that we recruit for our work, for both criminal and protective, Mr. Dulles. We require a minimum academic achievement of 4 years of college or university, and preferably those who attend police administrative schools, where they have in their curricula subjects on science, criminology, and law."

I guess the operative word is "now."

To digress just a little, one of my classic exchanges in all of the Warren Commission testimonies came when Rankin was interviewing Rowley, "he" being Oswald,

"Mr. RANKIN. Was he an agent or informant or directly or indirectly connected" with the Secret Service in anyway?

Mr. ROWLEY. Not in any way. We did not know of him until the event.

Mr. RANKIN. And you are certain that he never was hired directly or indirectly or acted in that capacity.

Mr. ROWLEY. He was never hired directly or indirectly in any capacity.

Was Oswald connected to the Secret Service?

No.

Are you sure?

:-)

Steve Thomas

James and Shanet.

I agree with Shanet

The whole Corsican connection just strikes me as being some well crafted disinformation. FWIW.

James

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I would be tempted to say that too, except for this:

From William Harvey’s handwritten notes on setting up the ZR/Rifle Program

From ajweberman’s Coup d’etat in America Nodule 0

http://www.weberman.com/nodules/nodule0.htm

8. Use nobody who has never dealt with criminals; otherwise will not be

aware of pitfalls or consider factors such as freedom to travel, wanted

lists, etc. Exclude organization criminals, those with record of

arrests, those who have engaged in several types of crime. Corsicans

recommended. Sicilians lead to Mafia.

Steve Thomas

Don,

General EDWIN WALKER's possible connections in the months preceding the assassination are both convoluted and intriguing. A driver and aide to Walker in the fall of 1963 was the brother of Larrie Schmidt, who along with Bernard Weissman, authored the infamous "Welcome Mr. Kennedy To Dallas/WANTED FOR TREASON..." ad which ran in the "Dallas Morning News" the morning of November 22.

I ran across this the other day and found it interesting.

From Alfred McCoy's The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia, as quoted in The Opium Lords.

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/corsicans.htm

Referring to NCO Clubs, "Accounting systems were shoddy, and the entire system was pathetically vulnerable to well-organized graft. Seven sergeants who had served together in the Twenty-fourth Infantry Division at Augsburg, Germany, during the early 1960s had discovered this weakness and exploited it fully, stealing up to $40,000 a month from NCO clubs.117

In 1965 these seven sergeants started showing up in Vietnam as mess custodians and club managers at the First Infantry Division, the American Division, and U.S. army headquarters at Long Binh.118 Most important of all, the group's ringleader, Sgt William 0. Wooldridge, was appointed sergeant major of the army in July 1966. As the army's highest-ranking enlisted man, he served directly under the army chief of staff at the Pentagon, where he was in an ideal position to manipulate personnel transfers and cover up the group's activities."119

The footnote references come from U.S. Congress, Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Committee on Government Operations, Fraud and Corruption in Management of Military Club Systems-Illeqal Currency Manipulations A flecting South Vietnam, 91 st Cong., 2nd sess., 92nd Cong., I st sess., 1971, pt. 4

Steve Thomas

Richard,

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Texas Theater part of a chain of cinemas owned by Howard Hughes?

James

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I didn't know that. I once ran across a reference to the Cabana Motel being built with Central States Teamster Pension Funds.

There is an FBI document entitled, "Hoffa, James. Dallas, Cabana Hotel"

FBI document # HQ-0630006727

And I went, "Whoa"

This document is not part of the National Archives, JFK collection, so aperson would have to do a FOI request from the FBI to see it.

Steve Thomas

From, The Corsican Conenction

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/tnorth/conspiracy.htm

The following text is from Anthony Summers' book Conspiracy

[Lucien] Sarti and the other two assassins flew from Marseilles to Mexico City in the fall of 1963. They stayed there several weeks, and were then driven to the United States border, which they crossed at Brownsville, Texas, using Italian passports. They were met at the border by a representative of the Chicago Mafia, who conversed with them in Italian. He drove them to a house in Dallas.

Gee, guess who else was supposed to have been in Mexico City in the fall of 1963, and weren't there also supposed to have been a group of anti-Castro Cuban exiles in Mexico City in the fall - something from The Man Who Knew Too Much?

Steve Thomas

Salvador,

My suggestion is to read Chapter 5, then verify it in the manner just described, and draw your own conclusions.

Thank you. I have read both Chapter 5 of the Opium Lords, and Contrabandista.

In the TV Documentary, The Men Who Killed Kennedy, Steve Rivele said that "as well as Lucien Sarti he also named Sauveur Pironti and Roger Bocognani as being involved in the killing. However, Pironti and Bocognani both had alibis and Rivele was forced to withdraw the allegation."

Recently Rivele commented that: "I believe that Sarti was involved, but apparently I was wrong on the other two. If I were working on the case today, I'd look at Paul Mondoloni of Montreal...

In his book, Autopsie du Crime d'Etat, William Reymond names two other people besides Lucien Sarti as being in Dallas. One he called Ladislas a Hungarian ex-OAS member and a man he calls Etienne. After reading your Chapter 5, I wrote Mr. Reymond and asked him if the two men he mentioned were Chiappe and Angeletti.

He wrote me back and said no.

It seems to me that there are two trains of thought for the origin of

a plot to kill John F. Kennedy.

One line runs through the Mafia/CIA/Cuban exile connections of Santo

Trafficante. The other runs through the Corsican Mafia connections of

Antoine Guerini/Christian David as outlined be Steve Rivele and/or

William Reymond.

Lately, I have been wondering if there was some connection or

intersecting point between these two.

I got to wondering if it couldn't be found in Paul Mondolini who I

believe I read was Antoine Guerini's adopted son. I don't believe that

Steve Rivele ever said who placed the contract to kill JFK with

Antoine Guerini. Did he say it was Santo?

This is from a news article I read on the Internet concerning some

Montreal mobster getting married.

Remember that either Michele Nicoli or Christian David told Steve Rivele that the assassins were flown to Montral after they killed JFK.

I can envision Antoine Guerini placing the contract with either August Ricord down in Argentina or Paul Mondolini in Montreal.

QUEBEC AFFAIRS

PETER BLACK

"Singing for Their Supper"

http://www.tomifobia.com/hubbub.html

"Lucien Rivard was a Montreal hood who worked his way up the ranks to

become a drug-ring operator for Paul Mondolini, one of the major capos

in the city. At one point in his career Rivard ran a casino in Cuba

for Mondolini before Castro came to power, and there are stories he

ran a few guns to the island for the Cotronis.

Rivard and Mondolini, according to one account, were associated with

Santos Trafficante, the powerful mobster alleged to be involved with

the CIA in plotting to get rid of Castro. This also brings up the

possible connection between Rivard's friends and one Lee Harvey

Oswald.

Anyway, let's just say Rivard knew a lot of things that certain people

would have preferred to keep secret. So, when a Montreal couple was

busted in October, 1963, at the Texas border trying to smuggle heroin

out of Mexico, alarm bells went off in mob circles when they fingered

Rivard as their handler.

Rivard was arrested in June, 1964, in Montreal by Canadian police and

parked in Bordeaux jail awaiting extradition to the U.S."

The author of this article does not say why or how Rivard's friends

were connected to Lee Harvey Oswald.

Steve Thomas

Nic,

I was looking through my collection of magazines and things, and I've only found one picture of the outside of the Carousel Club, which I promptly scanned in from an issue of "ParisMatch" dated December 14, 1963. Just out of curiousity, are there any more?

Though not of the outside, there ae a series of pictures taken of the inside in the Armstrong Exhibits to the WC Hearings at 19H36 +

CE 2427 at 25H526 has a picture of the Closed sign posted in front of the Carousel.

Steve Thomas

In my book, "Opium Lords," the following assassins are identified:

- Lucien Sarti (fired the head shot which killed JFK)

- François Chiappe

- Jean-Paul Angeletti

I once asked William Reymond if Chiappe and Angeletti were the other two unnamed assassins.

He told me no.

Steve Thomas

Shanet,

Steve,

Looks like a "cover your ass" memo

translation "see, we had just found out Oswald was a bad guy"

This is one small part of the cable. For the most part, the cable provides a history of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. In his HSCA testimony, Col. Robert Jones denied that the 112th MI had sent this cable. It came from the 4th Army Headquarters, but not from the 112th. It was sent by the Commanding General's office, Assistant Secretary, 4th Army Headquarters.

The timing of the call is very supicious, of course.

Since the cable was sent around 11:00 PM, and it summarized an earlier telephone call, we don't know when the call took place.

What is interesting to me is the statement that Oswald defected to Cuba in 1959. The last paragraph of the cable says, "Dallas, Texas, and San Antonio Light newspaper stated Oswald traveled to Moscow, USSR, in 1959. POssibility exists that Oswald may have traveled to USSR via Cuba, in view of above information uncovered by Dallas Police."

Now some have said that this cable in an obvious attempt by someone to try and implicate Cuba and Russia in Kennedy's assassination.

I have been toying with the possiblity that this cable is not an attempt at provocation, but that Oswald did in fact go to the USSR by way of Cuba, and that it was someone else who traveled to Helsinki in early October, 1959.

Ruby went to Cuba on September 12th and went to New Orleans on September 13th.

Oswald left Fort Worth on September 17th and arrived in New Orleans on September 17th or 18th.

The possibility is there that Ruby and Oswald were both in New Orleans at the same time. I have wondered if Ruby picked up some entry papers to Cuba while he was there and delivered them to Oswald.

This would fit the pattern of what Oswald supposedly tried to do in late September and early October, 1963 - go to Russia by way of Cuba.

Just speculation.

Steve Thomas