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  1. Denny, It's possible you were thinking of Elizabeth Cole. Elizabeth Cole – Prior Knowledge http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/5746-elizabeth-cole-prior-knowledge/ In 1975, Elizabeth Cole told the FBI that in the first week of November, 1963 she attended a Foreign Students Convention in New Jersey. While there, she overheard a telephone conversation between a Cuban student and an unknown third party. In the phone conversation, the Cuban student related that JFK was going to be assassinated. The date of the assassination, the City of Dallas and a book company were also mentioned. Cole said that she called the FBI when she returned to NYC, but never heard back from them. You can read the details here: http://www.maryferre...32&relPageId=54 It is alleged that the name of the Cuban student overheard by Miss Cole has the same last name as that of a Cuban picked up and released in Dallas on 11/22/63. See here: http://www.maryferre...2&relPageId=112 Posted by Lee Forman in the Education Forum November 29, 2006: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/5746-elizabeth-cole-prior-knowledge/?page=2 “Speculation says that if it's Fermin that attended, then it may have been through some Jesuit relationship - why else bother penetrating an event centered on Religion? If he did attend, it is not obvious from the information I was able to gather.” http://cuban-exile.com/doc_326-350/doc0326.html FAIRHOPE, ALA: By Apr 63 Alpha-66 office in. [R-759-2-161] ADD: 457 OAK STREET [R-759-3-25] May 63 [R-759-3-55] CD 1020 p. 14. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11416#relPageId=16&tab=page "He (Jim Buchanan, brother of Jerry Buchanan) advised that Jerry Buchanan would be available for a few days following the day of interview (April 30, 1964) at 457 Oak St. Fairhope, Alabama, the residence of Craig Sheldon, whom he described as Chairman of the International Anti-Communist Brigade in Alabama." http://www.mobilebaymag.com/Mobile-Bay/January-2014/Sixties-Flashback-Lee-Harvey-Oswald-Visits-Spring-Hill/ “Addendum on Mobile Anti-Castro Activists There has never even been alleged, nor does Mobile Bay Magazine in any way now suggest, a connection between Oswald and Mobilians engaged in anti-Castro activities. Yet we think it appropriate to note, as a matter of historical background, that Mobile, as well as New Orleans, was at least up until the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion a center of active support for anti Castro militants. A memo filed in the F.B.I. office in Los Angeles dated May 8, 1963 quotes an informant who copied a list of headquarter cities for Alpha 66, the Cuban exile led group that staged regular raids on Castro's Cuba. One of the 13 cities in the U.S., Canada, and South America is Fairhope, Ala. Fairhope sculptor Craig Sheldon, now in his late 70s, was an adventurous, patriotic WWII veteran and devout anti-Communist in the early 1960s. He has never made a secret of the fact that he was a member of Alpha 66”. Posted by David Joseph in the Education Forum 1/8/2018 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24633-oswald-in-alabama/ “ http://www.mobilebaymag.com/Mobile-Bay/January-2014/Sixties-Flashback-Lee-Harvey-Oswald-Visits-Spring-Hill/ Flashback: Lee Harvey Oswald Visits Spring Hill Originally run in Mobile Bay Monthly's September 1993 issue, this article explores Lee Harvey Oswald's speech at Spring Hill College in July 1963, just months before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Spring Hill College was run by Jesuits. Is this the FBI report the Mobile Bay Magazine refers to? http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/belligerence/Alpha-66-12-FBI.pdf Alpha-66: FAIRHOPE, ALA: By Apr 63 Alpha-66 office in. [R-759-2- 161] “SHELDON, Craig of Fairhope, Alabama was recruiting for A-66 on Jan 2, 1963. He says he is a member, an ex-marine. [R-759-1-841851” Carlos Bringuer lived in Fairhope, AL https://www.mylife.com/carlos-bringuier/carlosbrin63773vr https://www.spokeo.com/Carlos-Bringuier/Louisiana SS Rowley Memorandum of 4/24/64 CD 853 page 3 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=4 Masen told Frank Ellsworth that Rodriguez and George F. Parrel were leaders of the local DRE and also members of Alpha-66. Masen told Ellsworth that George Parrel, an associate of Orcarberro, had also been trying to buy guns from him. Masen told Ellsworth that Rodriguez and Parrel had made purchases from him; that they presently have a large cache of arms somewhere in Dallas; that he did not know the location. Steve Thomas
  2. The Trump Reinstatement Day Dance Tutorial. https://twitter.com/Fah_Lo_Me/status/1426166195741470723 I think you have to take his Covid bleach cure ahead of time in order to master it correctly. Steve Thomas
  3. Greg, The "fellow" who Malcolm Howard Price saw at the Sports Drome on September 28, 1963 whom he "subsequently came to believe" was Lee Harvey Oswald, needed help sighting in his rifle. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_m.htm Would Thomas Masen have needed help sighting in his rifle? Steve Thomas
  4. Nowhere in my long years of study, can I find a case in the recorded history of mankind, where a civilized society deliberately set out to kill its own children. Steve Thomas
  5. Donald Trump is going to get someone killed. I think that is his intention. Talk about incitement. Steve Thomas
  6. Judge signs off on new money laundering probe into Trump’s Scottish golf resorts by John Wright August 11, 2021 https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mcmafia/ Avaaz, a US-based non-profit activism organization, petitioned Scotland's highest court after (members of the Scottish Parliament) rejected calls to pursue an Unexplained Wealth Order against the former US president's Scottish firms," the newspaper reports. "Its petition to the court stated that there are 'no reasonable grounds' to suspect that known sources of lawfully obtained income would have been sufficient to bankroll Mr Trump's acquisition of his Scottish properties." “The Scottish judge, Lord Sandison, "has given the green light for Avaaz to seek a judicial review, a development which will reignite the debate over how Mr Trump acquired his Scottish resorts during a decade-long spending spree," the Scotsman reported. "Since incorporating his first Scottish company 16 years ago, none of Mr Trump's companies have turned a profit, and consequently, have yet to pay a penny in corporation tax," the newspaper reports, before citing the recent indictment of Allen Weisselberg, CFO of the Trump Organization, on tax-fraud charges.” “Following Weisselberg's indictment, he stepped down as director of Trump International Golf Club Scotland — but he is still listed as a person with "significant control" over Golf Recreation Scotland, the parent company for Trump's Turnberry resort.” Three guesses as to who Trump is laundering money for, and the first two don't count. Steve Thomas
  7. Paul, Thanks for this. Crichton seems to speak of this "counter-intelligence unit" as being separate from the 488th. He says it existed "previous" to the 488th. Interesting. I was also interested in the part about Lumpkin being the Deputy Chief of Police, but also having "an intelligence unit" as though it was separate from his duties as the Deputy Chief of Police of the Dallas Police Department. I wonder if he was referring to Lumpkin's role as the Commandant of the 4150th U.S. Army Reserve Officer's Training School. The Times of Shreveport, Louisiana July 15, 1962 https://www.google.com/search?q=%224150th+ARSU%22&client=firefox-b-1-d&biw=1611&bih=944&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=mKOtZKzVDPGU4M%253A%252CiDog6xBKO5mCAM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kRzONpClhVOiPVZeNHZonVq1dA7zQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiKp5_yos3gAhX2JTQIHUVPC4wQ9QEwAnoECAYQBA#imgrc=mKOtZKzVDPGU4M: In 1966, he was still being identified as the Commandant. 1966 Richardson (Texas) Daily News article that describes George Lumpkin as “Commandant of the 4150th ARSU Dallas United States Army Reserve School”. https://newspaperarchive.com/tags/george-lumpkin/?pc=24581&psi=94&pci=7&pt=23960&ob=1/ Grand Prairie Daily News – Grand Prairie, TX September 14, 1966 page 2 https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/15245830/ “Fall Reserve Duty Training Announced Col. Geo Lumpkin, Commandant of the 4150th ARSU DALLAS USAR SCHOOL, announces the beginning of fall reserve duty training assemblies. Hours of meetings will be from 1930 hours to 2140 hours on both Monday and Thursday evenings at the Muchert Armory, located at 10031 East Northwest Highway In Dallas. Officer career courses for all branches of service and Command and General Staff Courses are being offered to reserve officers at this time. Courses offered will provide reservists the opportunity to complete their military obligation and acquire credit towards their retirement. All reservists are Invited to visit the school for additional Information and enrollment now.” Training and Organization of the US Army Reserve Components: A Reference Text for Total Force Trainers and a Guide to Other US Military Services 1988-1989. published 1991 Page 73 Fifth U.S. Army (19 USARF Schools) 4150TH USARF SCHOOL 10031 East Northwest Hwy (214) 346-6678Air Defense Artillery Dallas, TX 75238-4399 (page 78) G. Consolidated Training Facilities (CTF) Consolidated Training Facilities are under the control of the CONUSAs. They are for sustainment training of both USAR and ARNG personnel. The courses offered are for military intelligence personnel in Career Management Fields (CMFs) 05, 33, 96, and 98. Boise Smith was a member of the faculty. Col. B.B. Smith Daily Palmer Rustler October 14, 1954 page 2 (Member of the faculty 4150th U.S.Army Reserve Training School) https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth782328/m1/2/ B.B. (Boise) Smith. Director, Civil Defense and Disaster Commission. Dallas Police Department, Deputy Chief of Police. Reported directly to Chief Curry. Batchelor Exhibit 5002 https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf As Director of the Dallas Civil Defense and Disaster Commission, Boise Smith would have been in charge of the Communications Center at the Fairgrounds. Steve Thomas
  8. Jim, Thanks for this. I'll have to keep my eyes open for the other man mentioned in this article, R.A. Thompson. In 1963 he was listed in Batchelor's Exhibit 5002 as a Captain in the Traffic Division. Traffic Control David Harkness, W.E. Barnett and Marvin Wise worked for him. see p. 14 of Batchelor's Exhibit https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf CIA guy huh? Steve Thomas
  9. Gil, I have not found any direct connection between Westbrook and the South Vietnamese police training program at Michigan State University, but it wouldn't surprise me if one existed. Creating the Oswald Legend – Part 5 Written by Vasilios Vazakas in Kenndys and King https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/creating-the-oswald-legend-part-5 CIA POLICE TRAINING and THE CIS Coming back to Captain Westbrook, a most astonishing revelation was that after he retired from the Dallas Police Department in 1966, Westbrook became a Police advisor in South Vietnam. As researcher Greg Parker found out, Westbrook was employed as a security advisor in Saigon by the U.S.A.I.D. (United States Agency for International Development).[16] The CIA was running a police program. Its purpose was to train friendly overseas police and to allow CIA to “plant men with local police in sensitive places around the world.” Also, to bring to the United States “prime candidates for enrollment as CIA employees.” John Gilligan, director of USAID under Jimmy Carter, said that “At one time, many USAID field offices were infiltrated from top to bottom with CIA people. The idea was to plant operatives in every kind of activity we had overseas, government, volunteer, religious, every kind.”[19] John Hannah, Nixon’s director of USAID admitted publicly that the USAID had funded CIA operations in Laos and that both organizations had co-operated in Ecuador, Uruguay, Thailand, and the Philippines.[20] [16] Yusuf hasan, http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com/2014/09/a-few-words-on-former-dpd-captain.html [20] Colby & Dennett, Thy Will Be Done, Harper Perennial, 1995, p. 743. This is a very interesting article: The University That Launched a CIA Front Operation in Vietnam How the friendship between a Vietnamese politician and an American academic led Michigan State University into a vast experiment in nation-building and pulled America deeper into war. By ERIC SCIGLIANO March 25, 2018 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/03/25/vietnam-war-secret-msu-michigan-state-217705/ “Diệm promptly requested aid from his key backers, the U.S. government and Michigan State University, and asked his old friend Wes Fishel to come aboard as an adviser. Fishel did, officially serving as liaison to Diệm on the staff President Dwight Eisenhower’s special emissary in Vietnam. Their political partnership suited the times. America’s cold warriors were scrambling to turn fragile postcolonial states into bulwarks against Marxist ideology and Soviet influence. Many universities enlisted in this effort, eager to turn theory into practice, take their missions to a global level, and rake in federal dollars. By the mid-1950s, the U.S. government was sponsoring 42 university aid missions around the world. None enlisted more eagerly than Michigan State, whose Vietnam group became the largest of those missions. The school’s longtime president, John Hannah, was an idealist, an empire-builder and former assistant secretary of defense with deep ties in Washington, D.C. Over the 28 years he led the school, Hannah transformed the backwater Michigan State College into one of the nation’s largest universities and an important research institution, growing its enrollment more than sixfold.” “But this nuts-and-bolts civics work took a second seat to the police program. MSU’s law enforcement instructors, mostly retired police officers and officials, worked earnestly to train Vietnam’s various police agencies in everything from professional deportment and arrest procedures to forensics and firearms. They had some success with the Saigon police, particularly in helping them tame the city’s notoriously chaotic traffic. (I delighted in watching the white-gloved officers signaling atop their crossroads podiums with the aplomb of orchestra conductors.) “ Steve Thomas
  10. Jim,. I obviously can't prove it, but it does make me wonder if they weren't calling the same people, as in "I can't find him. He's not here." Steve Thomas
  11. Jim, From the Dispatch tapes - Between 1:16 and 1:19 PM: DIS 211: 211. DIS: 211. 211: We're clear, Industrial and Stemmons. We'll go out there. DIS: 10-4, 211 We arrived in Oak Cliff and there were several squads in the general vicinity of where the shooting had occurred---different stories had come out that the person was--the suspect had been seen in the immediate vicinity. Mr. BALL. Did you go to 10th and Patton? Mr. HAWKINS. We drove by 10th and Patton--we didn't stop at the location. Mr. BALL. Where did you go then? Mr. HAWKINS. We circled the vicinity around Jefferson and Marsalis Jefferson and Marsalis is where the Library is. Why did Hawkins not stop at the site of the shooting when he hd been ordered by the Dispatcher to proceed there? Why did he head east from the direction of the shooting, and then circle the vicinity for close to eighteen minutes? From the Dispatch tapes - 1:34 PM 22: They've got him holed up, it looks like, in this building over here at the corner. 22: (?) ...were you be? 85: 85, library. DIS: 10-4. 211: 211 out at that location. DIS: 10-4. Hawkins is circling the area around Jefferson and Marsalis (where the Library is). (which is about six blocks east of where Tippit has been shot) He heads west and picks up Hutson in the neighborhood of 10th and Patton. They continue west on 10th till they get to Beckley and 10th, where they make a phone call at a Mobil Gas Station. While they're in there on a phone call, Dispatch announces that a suspect has been seen at the Library, so they head back east again. Why did he interrupt his search for the suspect of a fellow police officer to make a personal phone call? Hutson wasn’t positive that they went to the Mobil Gas Station to make a call. Did they go there for another reason? Did Croy own that gas station? Was Hawkins looking for Croy? Did Dispatch direct Hawkins to call Headquarters on a landline? Like I said, I don't find any record of this call from Dispatch instructing Hawkins to call in, or any record of Hawkins calling into Dispatch telling them that he was "out". Mr. HUTSON. And Officer Ray Hawkins and Officer Baggett went inside of the Mobil gas station. And I am not positive, but I think they used the telephone to call in. I am not positive, but I believe they gave us a call for us to call. I mean their number to call in. Steve Thomas
  12. Fundraisisng appeal sent out by the The National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) 08/07/21 Trump Patriots? I know I want to run right out and claim my exclusive offer. Not sold in stores! Steve Thomas
  13. Jim, Ray Hawkins and T.A. Hutson both participated in the apprehension of Lee Oswald. Ray Hawkins call sign was 211 T.A. Hutson call sign was 284 J.D. Tippit is shot. Multiple units respond. A search of the houses in the vicinity is undertaken. The search of the houses proves fruitless. A suspect is spotted at the Library. Multiple units respond. Sometime between the search of the houses and the sighting of a suspect at the Library, Hawkins and Hutson make a stop at a Mobile Gas Station at 10th and Beckley to make a phone call, supposedly in response from a request from Dispatch to call in. I do not find any reference to this phone call in the Dispatch tapes. Mr. HUTSON. We proceeded west on 10th Street to Beckley, and we pulled into the Mobil gas station at Beckley and 10th Street. Mr. BELIN. That is a Mobil gas station? Mr. HUTSON. Yes. Mr. BELIN. All right. Mr. HUTSON. And Officer Ray Hawkins and Officer Baggett went inside of the Mobil gas station. And I am not positive, but I think they used the telephone to call in. I am not positive, but I believe they gave us a call for us to call. I mean their number to call in. At the time they were in the service station, I heard the dispatcher give a call that the suspect was just seen running across the lawn at the Oak Cliff Branch Library at Marsalis and Jefferson. I reached over and blew the siren on the squad car to attract the officers' attention, Officers Baggett and Hawkins, and they came running out of the service station and jumped in the car, and I told them to report to, I can't remember, Marsalis and Jefferson, the suspect was seen running across the lawn at the library. When Kenneth Croy testified to the Warren Commission on March 26, 1964, he said, http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/croy.htm Mr. GRIFFIN. Where do you live? Mr. CROY. 1658 Glenfield Dallas, Tex. “Mr. GRIFFIN. What is your occupation? Mr. CROY. I have several. Mr. GRIFFIN. Let's have them in order. Mr. CROY. I am in the real estate business. I have a Mobil service station...” On December 1, 1963, Kenneth Croy gave an Affidavit on his actions in the basement of the Dallas Poice Heaquarters on November 24, 1963 when Oswald was shot. He listed his address as 2634 West Illinois, https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=217812#relPageId=148&search=%22key_to%20personnel%22 Steve Thomas
  14. Donald Trump shouldstick to his cult and the whole God, Savior, Second Coming thing. He knows nothing about policy or what's good for the American people. The country is moving on without him and he can't stand it. A disgrace': Trump melts down on Mitch McConnell over infrastructure package by Meaghan Ellis, AlterNet August 07, 2021 https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mcconnell-2654559174/ "It is a gift to the Democrat Party, compliments of Mitch McConnell and some RINOs [Republicans in name only], who have no idea what they are doing," he added. Trump even included what appears to be a veiled threat toward current Republican lawmakers as he warned, "It will be very hard for me to endorse anyone foolish enough to vote in favor of this deal." Republican lawmakers let out a collective yawn. Steve Thomas
  15. Jim, At some point in the recent past, the Dallas Police Department’s John F. Kennedy Collection (the DPD Archives) was turned over to the The Portal to Texas History The Portal describes itself this way: About the Portal “The Portal to Texas History is a gateway to rare, historical, and primary source materials from or about Texas. Created and maintained by the University of North Texas Libraries, the Portal leverages the power of hundreds of content partners across the state to provide a vibrant, growing collection of resources.” One of their collections is the John F. Kennedy Memorial Collection https://texashistory.unt.edu/explore/collections/JFKAM/browse/?start=0 You can also click on their link to the Police Department Collection previously maintained by the Dallas Municipal Archives: https://texashistory.unt.edu/explore/collections/JFKAM/browse/?fq=untl_collection%3AJFKDP The Collection is not organized the same way as the preceding DPD Archives maintained by the City of Dallas. I‘m assuming that much of the duplication found in the City of Dallas collection has been eliminated. The search engine seems to work pretty well, but you lose the browsing feature that I used to find so useful. If you now click on a DPD Archives link (with a Box# and a Folder#, etc.), you just get a 404 Error. For me personally, that means a lot of years of lost bibliographic citations. Steve Thomas
  16. Jim, See my response to Bill in the thread on the Dallas Police that I wrote on Wednesday the 3th here: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27296-were-dallas-police-officers-involved-in-the-murder-of-president-kennedy/page/2/#comments Captain O.A. Jones was in charge of the Investigative team. Their original charge was to find out how Ruby got into the basement. I find it curious that Curry put Captains in charge of the investigation, and not Deputy Chiefs. I think Curry was suspicious that Ruby had help. I should add that the second paragraph of Carr's letter to Rankin (see p. 2 of CD81) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId Comprises CD 81.1 I need to look at Section 5 (Persons assigned to handle security for President's visit. (If I remember right, Gannaway of the Special Service Bureau was in charge of security at the Trade Mart, and he (Gannaway) delegated security along the parade route to Lieutenant Kaminsky, also of Special Services). One of the charges of Red Squads (or Special Service Bureaus) around the country was providing security for visiting dignitaries. Steve Thomas
  17. House GOP Campaign Chair Won’t Rule Out Backing Candidates Who Attended Jan. 6 Riot At least two Republican congressional candidates were part of the mob that went to the Capitol to overturn the election results. By Amanda Terkel https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tom-emmer-gop-campaign-candidates-riot-jan-6_n_610ac948e4b038cedb3af2e9 “There are at least two Republicans running for Congress who went to the Capitol on Jan. 6.Derrick Van Orden, who’s hoping to unseat Democratic Rep. Ron Kind in Wisconsin’s 3rd District, used leftover campaign funds from his 2020 run against Kind to travel to Washington for Trump’s “stop the steal” rally. Van Orden claimed that he never stepped foot on Capitol grounds on Jan. 6, but a photo from that day shows otherwise. Van Orden has the backing of powerful House Republicans, including Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Whip Steve Scalise (La.) and Conference Chair Elise Stefanik (N.Y.). Republican Teddy Daniels, who is taking a shot at challenging Rep. Matt Cartwright (D-Pa.), was also at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and put up a video showing the crowd. I am here. God bless our patriots. pic.twitter.com/RBqNoQkyC2 — Teddy Daniels for Congress (@DanielsCongress) January 6, 2021 If Daniels shot the video, he would have been well past the police barricades that the mob barreled through. Daniels also ran in the 8th District in 2020, coming in second in the six-person GOP primary.” Steve Thomas
  18. Trump brutally mocked over plan to issue membership cards to loyal supporters By John Wright August 05, 2021 https://www.rawstory.com/trump-cards/ "”We're about to launch our Official Trump Cards, which will be reserved for President Trump's STRONGEST supporters," the PAC wrote in the email, asking supporters to vote for their favorite of four proposed designs. Those who voted by clicking on one of the four proposed designs were, naturally, redirected to a fundraising page. "We recently met with the President in his Florida office and showed him four designs," the email continued. "Originally we were planning on releasing just one design, but when President Trump saw the cards on his desk, he said, 'These are BEAUTIFUL. We should let the American People decide - they ALWAYS know best!'" the email said.” "All four of the designs say "Official Trump card" and bear the logo of his Save America PAC. They include the former president's signature above text saying, "Authorized by president Donald Trump," as well as a place for the name of the "member," along with an ID number and the date when their membership began." “On Twitter, several users pointed out that the eagle on one of the designs bares an eery resemblance to the Reichsadler or "imperial eagle," which was combined with a swastika in the official German national emblem adopted by by Adolf Hitler.” Steve Thomas
  19. Bill, On pages 148 and 149 of the documents you provided is an Affidavit filed by Kenneth Croy on December 1, 1963 concerning his actions on the 24th of November. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=217812#relPageId=148&search=%22key_to%20personnel%22 In his Affidavit, Croy says that Ruby was standing to his left. There is only one white-hatted policeman standing between Ruby and the wall. That has to be Kenneth Croy. I do not know why his name doesn't appear on a map. Steve Thomas
  20. Bill, I looked at this many years ago, but I lost those files in a computer crash, so please forgive me, I'm just going on memory here. Those reports can be found in CD 81. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=1 Shortly after JFK's assassination, the Dallas Police turned over all their materials to Texas State Attorney General, Waggoner Carr. H, in turn, them over to the Warren Commission in three bound volumes. In essence, this comprises the entire Dallas Police Department's case. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=2 Volume 2 - The investigation of the Assassination of the President - is what comprises WC Document 81b CD 81b begins on page 311 of CD 81. The "Investigation of the Operational Security Security Involving the Transfer of Lee Harvey Oswald November 24, 1963" was commissioned by Chief Curry on November 29, 1963 - the dame day that President Johnson commissioned the Warren Commission. It wrapped up it's work in the second week of December. (see page 4 of CD 81.) As you indicated, they reached the same conclusion as the Warren Report nine months later. The investigative team which investigated and compiled volumes 1 and 3 of the materials Carr turned over to Rankin of the WC was headed by Captain, O.A, Jones of the Forgery Bureau and was comprised of Lieutenants from various Bureaus within the Police Department: Lieutenant, Paul McCaghren, Burglary and Theft Bureau; C.C. Wallace, Juvenile Bureau; Jack Revill, Special Service Bureau; F.I. Cornwall. Special Service Bureau, and a couple of others, whose names I can't remember. I was in email correspondance with Paul McCaghren for a while. He agreed to give me copies of the reports you see in CD 81 regarding the transfer of Oswald in exchange for a $100.00 donation to the Dallas Police Association. He was not an easy man to deal with. He told me that Curry appointed him to this special investigative team because Curry told him that he was the best investigator on the Dallas Police Force. The investigation of Oswald's transfer soon branched out into several side areas: Witnesses who claimed Oswald and Ruby knew each other, or who claimed they saw Oswald in the Carousel or in cafes eating together and Oswald's alleged application at the Allright parking Garage, etc. (This is Volume 3 of Carr's bound volumes.) This investigative team. and the reports they took from the officers, were to report directly to Chief Curry. Hope this helps. Steve Thomas
  21. Gil, On January 12, 2018, I wrote a piece in the Education Forum entitled, "Where Was Bob Carroll?" that might be of interest. https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24568-where-was-bob-carroll/?tab=comments#comment-367998 I talked about the members of the Special Service Bureau who were stationed along the parade route. They only had one detective per block in the downtown area. I'd like to add this little piece: WC testimony of Bob Carroll http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/carroll.htm Mr. CARROLL. Well, after we got the handcuffs on him - it was McDonald and Jerry Hill, Ray Hawkins and myself, and I believe there was - I think it was Hutson - we started out of the theatre and we took him out through the main lobby to our car, which was parked right in front where we had left it - where Lyons and I pulled up, and we put him in our car in the back seat and I was driving and Jerry Hill was riding next to me and somewhere after this deal, someway or other - I don't know exactly when it was - Paul Bentley had joined the crowd, and he got into the car in the right - front seat and then Oswald and Hutson, I believe, were in the beck seat, and we left there and drove to the police station. Hutson was not in the car, but C.T. Walker and K.E. Lyon were. There were 5 cops and 1 prisoner, and Carroll got 3 out of the 5 cops wrong. That's a 60% error rate. After action report of Bob Carroll https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340230/m1/1/?q=Carroll Carroll's WC testimony differs from his own after-action report. M.N. McDonald did not ride in that car. Steve Thomas
  22. Pete, I wish Roger Craig had been asked if the Rambler he saw had bumper stickers on it. Steve Thomas
  23. I wrote a small piece on the local Secret Service back in November and asked, "Why did the local Secret Service tell the Dallas Police, Military Intelligence and the County Sheriff's Department that they weren't needed? Was it hubris, or was it something more sinister?" https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/26793-local-secret-service/?tab=comments#comment-432453 Steve Thomas
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