Jamey Flanagan

@Robbie RobertsonYes, good old Jim Leavelle was one of the two cops escorting Oswald during his transfer when Ruby shot LHO. And I think it was something he told a reporter privately, but when asked about how the DPD felt about the case of JFK's murder he said they didn't place any more importance on that case than if it had been the homicide of a South Dallas n***er. JFK was not a popular president in Dallas generally. The DPD had a very different response to the killing of Tippit. He was one of their own, a fellow officer. They took that murder personally.

Thanks @Vince Palamara! I'm curious as to your opinion of the splice right there in the Towner film. Do you think something happened there on the turn from Houston onto Elm that they didn't want us to see? Someone commented on one of the YouTube videos of it that even with 7 frames missing that would be less than a second and wouldn't be enough time for even the wide turn by Greer to be edited out. I'm not sure I agree with that but I haven't done the math myself on frames per second and all that. If you think it was purposely edited then do you think it was just eliminating that wide turn or do you think something else happened right there?

Yeah, looks like she just teleported about 2 seconds into the future, lol!

@Andrew PrutsokI kept rewatching the Towner film and despite frames missing you can still see the doorway to the depository. So, I'm thinking it was something else they were trying to hide other than Oswald in the doorway.

I know you are not of the belief that any film was altered or edited, at least not with nefarious intentions @Jonathan Cohen, but I ask you to watch just the film that is the topic of this thread, the Tina Towner film. Jackie's head is almost at the TSBD building then magically she's a few feet further up the road. When analyzed, Tina was told that there was a splice in it. Her family or her hadn't made any splice there. They had turned the film over to the Dallas Morning News and the authorities investigating the case had the film for many months. Do you think it was just an accidental thing like Life claimed happened to the Z film? These people sure are making huge mistakes handling these films of the president getting killed. They sure aren't handling it with care, lol! Just curious if you can watch the film and still say with a straight face that there has not been frames removed.

Yeah, @Jonathan CohenI can't speak for Andrew, (which he already replied anyway) but I'd assume the thinking on that would be the only picture that remotely had anyone looking like Oswald in the doorway has been dismissed time and time again as Lovelady. Assuming that is a correct identification then the only other figure would be the now infamous "prayer man". And that figure is so buried in shadows that you can't really identify it as Oswald beyond the shadow (pun intended) of doubt, lol! The films, you could easily edit out the doorway area. And those films were turned over to authorities. Altgens 6 was taken by a press photographer, am I correct? He probably had his own dark room and developing capabilities. I'm just brainstorming here, but I'd say he probably developed the pictures he took and had them in the newspaper and it slipped through the cracks. I could very well be wrong, and I'm not even saying that I think Oswald being in the doorway was the reason all of these films were edited to specifically not show the doorway area. I firmly believe something happened there that they absolutely did NOT want the public to see. Although I don't buy the entirety of the theory proposed in The Lost Bullet documentary, I really do think it's highly probable and possible that a shot fr the sixth floor window pierced through the corner of the traffic light. Maybe that's what they were hiding. Cause then you have to account for more than one missed shot cause the traffic light miss wouldn't exactly have hit the curb injuring Tague in it's trajectory. Could be as simple as that. Who knows really?

@Joe BauerFor sure, there is SO much technology out there! You think someone somewhere with money or clout could have this huge database to analyze every picture and every film frame taken in Dealey Plaza that day and plug all that data into a computer to get a definitive picture of the Plaza. That is, if all those pics and films are legit which I don't think they are at all! But.....plugging all that info into one huge database would show if the different pics and films aren't compatible.

Been watching the Towner film on YouTube and sure enough (once you know to pay attention) there is an obvious time jump of a few frames. I think I saw a post somewhere saying 7 frames. Not sure, but I could buy that. Right as Jackie's head is about to get to the TSBD there is this quick blob or something and then she is at the end of the TSBD. My guesses as to what the entities who altered these films where trying to hide would be one of the following: a missed shot, the traffic light shaking from a shot that pierced it as theorized in The Lost Bullet special, or possibly Oswald standing in the doorway watching JFK pass by. If you don't find it strange that all of these cameras filming catch the motorcade just as it starts the turn and then stop and Zapruder, Nix and all on Elm Street only start filming once the car is on Elm Street then something is wrong with your thinking, lol! Something happened there as the limo passed the TSBD on that turn. Something they did not want us to see!

So, while I was in Dallas visiting Dealey Plaza this past Sunday, I wanted to get some sort of memorabilia from the Plaza. I had already checked out the small bookstore/cafe across the street from the TSBD before I did the Sixth Floor Museum tour. Didn't really find anything I wanted in there. Like I assumed, most of the books in there and the Sixth Floor Museum gift shop were lone nutter books. They did have Last Second In Dallas in both shops though. I bought a Dealey Plaza shot glass for my step son who collects shot glasses from different states. I ended up buying a small book by Tina Towner in the gift shop that had been marked down from $15.95 to $8.99. It was cheap and I'm always interested in reading anything from eyewitnesses to the assassination. It is less than a hundred pages so it was a quick read. For the most part it was nothing new or nothing eye opening but there were a few small tid bits in there that stood out. A couple could be pretty important I think! First off, her film of the motorcade apparently has a splice in it that was professionally done by someone or some entity. And the author is no conspiracy theorist and is pretty ambivalent about the whole thing. She says she only heard 3 shots and they were pretty equidistant in spacing but she feels like even if it were only Oswald shooting that others would have to have known about it, that it was going to happen. That's pretty much her view on things. She says almost as an afterthought that when they had the film analyzed there was a splice discovered during the wide turn onto Elm Street. That just reinforces my already held belief that something significant happened during the turn. All these photographers, and all these people filming yet not a one captures the complete turn from Houston onto Elm? Zapruder begins filming, and though he always maintained that he didn't stop filming and then start back, we all of a sudden get a splice and a time jump to the presidential limo already on Elm. I can't say what exactly happened there but something they didn't want us to see happened there! Whether a shot was fired at that time or cameras captured someone in the crowd there who wasn't meant to be seen....... something happened! And I don't think it was just the reported wide turn by Greer where he almost went down the service road and had to overcorrect the vehicle and maybe ran over a bit of curb in the process. I just don't think that in of itself would be that damning to the SS that they would remove it from all photographic evidence. The second thing I read was most interesting! In writing the book she asked friends and family members to relate what they were doing and what their reactions were upon hearing the news of the assassination. So, after giving his account of that information, one of her brother-in-laws shares this: The day of the assassination his grandmother and grandfather were in a laundromat on 7th street behind the Texas Theater and saw Oswald get out of a car out front and come inside to use a pay phone to make a call. His grandmother had her coin purse right below the pay phone so she kept a close eye on this young man since her purse was right there. She told the police about this after seeing his picture on the news but was told that it could not have been him. After using the pay phone, he went out the back door and walked 4 blocks to the Texas Theater where he was apprehended. Pretty interesting story there if you ask me! Anyway, those are a few of my observations from the book.

While I certainly don't think Hickey was responsible for the headshot, I do think it is a more plausible explanation than the magic bullet theory, lol! If I were the FBI or CIA, as soon as Hickey died I woulda took that theory and ran with it and wrote it all up as a big accident as kind of a limited hangout. I woulda been like, hey, you got us, we've been covering up but here's why and it's this innocent explanation and we had to lie about it to save this man's reputation. And many conspiracy guys woulda bought that and fell for it. Several would not have but many would.

@Joe Bauer maybe he used the force, lol! That's how Luke killed wamprats and blew up the death star, lol!

To me, the plaza being much more compact and smaller than I expected, the shots from the window looked significantly less challenging when viewing up from Elm Street to the Window, however, looking from the window (the window beside the alleged "sniper's nest" of course) down to the street it looks just as challenging as it has in pictures or videos or diagrams. Especially with the tree in the way!

You're probably right! I knew it was either Truly or Shelley but my mind blanked on Truly's name, lol!

@Dan Ricethank you so much for uploading that picture! I kept trying to upload one (not exactly the same perspective but showing that red bricked access road) but no matter how much I cropped it the file was too big. For the people who didn't really know what they were talking about when they described the access road in all the accounts of people seeing a slightly different version of the Zapruder film or a similar filmed angle (usually called the unedited or unaltered Z film) and talked about Greer almost turning down it instead of on Elm and him having to make a correction and almost ran over the curb or possibly did run over the curb a little. This was also described by at least one eyewitness, I'm thinking it was Bill Shelley maybe

@Ron Bulman EXACTLY! I mean, this is the assassination of the president, and you don't block the exits so parked cars can't leave the area and you don't search every vehicle and make a list of every vehicle and it's owner? Seems like basic police work you might learn your first day to me or have enough common sense to figure out!

Unfortunately, trees have grown up in front of the pedestals on both sides so you can't stand on them cause of tree limbs right in the way. I did sit on each of the pedestals however and take video on my phone of cars going down Elm towards the triple underpass.

This sign was in the parking lot just behind the wooden fence about halfway to the railroad tower. I couldn't help but think: Lock your car, Take your keys, Hide your belongings........ especially if it's a rifle you just shot the president with!

I was SO hoping I could go up inside the railroad tower and see things from the late Lee Bowers' perspective!

Doorway Man 2022? 😂😂😂

The thing that struck me the most was just how small that area really is! Anyone else that has been there struck by just how small an area it is from the turn on Elm to the triple underpass? It looks like such a big area on TV and in pictures and such but I could literally throw a rock from any given point and hit another, lol!

Almost there guys and gals!!!! We had to drop two of our group off at Six Flags in Arlington and now we're headed back to Dallas. I am a HUGE fan of Six Flags too! Rather go to Six Flags than to the mountains or the beach myself! So that says A LOT about how much this means to me if I would pass up Six Flags for it, lol!

I sure hope so, lol!

I'm correct in saying that the third X, that is supposed to be the head shot (according to the "official account") is in the wrong spot, right? I'm thinking the actual spot was just a little bit before that X. Or was it a little bit after it? I know I have read this, heard this, and seen this many times

@Richard Price thanks brother! Once again we are in the same boat! Finances, work, family and the like has also kept me from going. I wanted to go SO bad in 2013 for the 50th anniversary! My Dad had lived in Houston for awhile and had been a truck driver for many years so he was familiar with Texas and liked driving (I do not, lol!). I asked him to go with me back then and if he'd drive I'd pay for everything for us to go but he didn't want to. Unfortunately his health was apparently much worse than he let on and he passed away in April of 2016 unexpectedly. My wife has been saying that she was gonna take me but we just could never afford it. We barely can now, lol! Hopefully some day you'll get to go to!

Yeah @Richard Price my vision is not the greatest anymore either, lol! I don't wear glasses or anything but that's just because I haven't had my eyes checked since I started working at my current job over 15 years ago! But even at that time my vision wasn't the best from far away. I don't have any trouble seeing or reading signs and such within a few feet of me but the farther away things are like billboards and such I just can't read them and if I do understand what they say it's just using deductive reasoning and putting two and two together, lol! My wife is exactly the opposite! She has to hold her cellphone away from her to read it but she sees things farther away and has no trouble at all reading them.