Jamey Flanagan

Y'all, I could literally spend a week or more in Dallas just investigating the assassination, lol, but unfortunately I'm only gonna have one day! 😔 And I'm quite sure my wife and her friends are gonna be ready to head back before I am so I won't have very much time in Dealey Plaza. I would love to take the tour at the sixth floor museum but I've heard it was pretty pricey these days and I'm not sure I wanna just waste that kinda money just to hear the same old BS "official story" nonsense! However, I really would like to see for myself just how far it is from the window to the stairwell and down to the second floor break room. At work we have to go up a stairwell to get to the locker room and showers and everytime I go up to change my coveralls when I come back down I always think about Oswald (even though I know he wasn't running down any stairs that day!) as I'm jogging down those steps, lol! In my limited time there I definitely will be climbing up on the Zapruder pedestal, going behind the grassy knoll fence, seeing exactly how close to the limo people like the Newmans we're, eyeballing angles from the depository, the Dal-Tex, and County Records rooftop amongst other suspected locations for assassins.

Thanks for the kind words! I'm SUPER pumped and excited about it!

One of the things I'm most looking forward to is standing on the Zapruder pedestal and seeing how that line of sight actually matches up to what we see in the so called Zapruder film.

Thanks!

Well y'all, I'm finally gonna fulfill my lifelong dream and get to visit Dealey Plaza! I'm pretty excited!!! I'm 44 and I've been studying the assassination since I was about 11 or so. We're visiting relatives who live near Houston but we are gonna make a detour one of the days we are there and my wife and her friends are gonna go shopping or something while I spend the day at the plaza.

Spare the rod spoil the child, lol!

Well, David Lifton is saying that in his long awaited book Final Charade, that there was a doctor at Parkland who was in on it and there to make sure Oswald didn't survive. I can buy that although I'd have to see some hard evidence of that. That would be smart. Just in case. And you have the guy there in the ambulance who reportedly performed CPR on Oswald even though you aren't supposed to do that with that type of gunshot wound, or so I've read. That guy might have been instructed to do that to help try and ensure his death. And if I'm not mistaken didn't they move Oswald back inside the police station and bring him back out when the ambulance came instead of leaving him there until the ambulance came? I know many times emergency personnel will tell someone calling to report an accident or injury will tell them not to move the victim.

Not sure if this will help any or be accepted as a valid theory, but on some program I saw once they were firing test shots into a windshield like the one that was on the limo. Every time a shot went through the glass windshield it sounded just like a firecracker. If the first shot was the one that went through the windshield and hit JFK in the throat then maybe that's why it made a firecracker sound. As for not hearing the actual shot, maybe the weapon that it came from had a silencer on it so the sound that was actually heard wasn't the shot but the bullet going through the windshield. Just brainstorming here so feel free to point out why this theory could be wrong. I'm not married to any theory, just like many of you I'm just looking for the truth no matter what that is!

You know who resembled JFK except for having a larger Adam's apple and also died that same day? J.D. Tippit. Just saying, lol!

Was it Powell, the military intelligence guy who just happened to be in all the right places on his off day? 😂😂😂

Yes, @Joe Bauer his daughter was with him. I have no clue however if she's ever been interviewed for a book or TV show though. I'm with you, I'd like to hear her story about that day!

I think one of the major things in her first day testimony that people latched on to and used to discredit her entire story was what she said about JFK and Jackie looking at a little dog between them in the seats. Some of what she said obviously didn't go along with the "official" story so they grabbed that dog story and ran with it and said if she'd lie about that then she'd lie about the rest of it. But that part has been proven true over the years. At Love Field, Jackie was given a little Lambchop doll by a little girl. On a thread somewhere I had posted a pic of Jackie holding the doll. I actually ran across a pic somewhere on here too, apparently earlier in the motorcade, of JFK holding up the doll to the crowd. Looks like it was a puppet style doll and he had his hand inside it. I didn't save the pic and can't remember exactly what post it was in but that was the first time I ran across a pic like this. Lying in the seat between them once they reached Dealey Plaza, I'm sure it did look like a little dog. I find Jean Hill's first day testimony (not the written report if she's saying she just signed a blank form, but her TV and radio interviews) pretty credible myself. It's the later stories and changes in her story that are questionable. Like many witnesses who tend to embellish over time I find it's always best to find the earliest accounts, preferably first day accounts. You can't completely dismiss later changes, especially with the fear and the threats coming their way. But you have to take it with a grain of salt I think.

Thanks @Steve Thomas I knew I had heard of several accounts in the past! Thanks for taking the time to put in the research! I haven't had a chance the past few days to look it up and the internet is somewhat controlled these days. You used to could search for the JFK assassination and come up with all kinds of good websites and info but now that all gets buried so far under the lone-nut websites and such that it's hard to find anything. Luckily I still have books but sometimes can't remember exactly where I might have read some stuff, especially in a large volume like Harvey And Lee. And some people cringe at the mention of H&L, but it is thoroughly researched and contains a wealth of knowledge and info on the assassination! I've actually heard people say that they often turn to that research even if they don't believe the H&L hypothesis.

@Denny Zartman Roger Craig was not the only one who saw the man running down and getting into the Rambler. I don't have any names at this particular time but over the years I do recall reading accounts of at least one witness and maybe at least two who talked about it. One might have been Richard Randalph Carr. And the (or at least A) Rambler is seen in several photos I do believe although none depict a guy (Oswald) getting in. What was the vehicle that Tilson was following out of the plaza? Was it a Rambler or was it a different vehicle? I can't remember.

Well, you said something very important that could very well make this thread irrelevant to some degree. The key thing is the guy flashing SS credentials. If you give the shooter and the spotter both SS credentials then they don't have to escape. They hide the rifle or rifles and just stay in the area and show their fake ID's to whoever they encounter. Genius idea really.

Yeah, I definitely enjoyed the 4 hour version much more than the 2 hour. And not just cause it was longer either. Just had better pacing or something. Hard to put my finger on. It was just a more enjoyable viewing experience to me all around. Maybe it's because it's somewhat compartmentalized by being broken down into 4 episodes.

I have read stories before from people suggesting that Oswald was hypnotized and was a Manchurian candidate but I don't see that at all. Now Ruby, I can see that. Not saying that's the case. I'm maybe 50/50 on it but I can definitely see it as a possibility. Like others, I don't wanna hijack the thread or steer it in a different direction, but I recall reading somewhere many years ago that Dave Ferrie dabbled in hypnotism. Can't recall exactly where I read that but it seems like it might have been brought up in questioning done by some of Garrison's investigators. If so, I'm not sure either if Ferrie himself brought up hypnosis or if some of his friends and companions brought up that he was pretty good at hypnosis. I'm sure if it ever came up in the Garrison investigation then @James DiEugenio would probably know. If not then only God knows where I read that, lol! I think it was in the early 2000's I read that online somewhere.

It's $19.99 to buy all 4 parts on YouTube, so I'll just pony up the $9.99 for the HD on Amazon, lol!

I found it on Amazon just now. Sad that I gotta buy it even though I have Amazon Prime. It's only $6.99 for SD or $9.99 for HD but it's the principal of it, lol! I'll give it a watch later today on there. Gonna go back and see if I can find where Jim D listed the platforms and see if I have any of those others before I buy it on Amazon.

@Sandy Larsen, if turning your head were an Olympic event then Greer would take the gold every time! 😂😂😂

Either way, neither one of them remotely resemble Beverley Oliver circa 1963, lol! 😂😂😂

Yes! Thank you for all of your valuable contributions @Vince Palamara! I know for me personally, you have posted many of the TV specials that I watched when I was just getting my feet wet in this case! I really appreciate that! It's been a long, strange journey down this rabbit hole but if I could go back I wouldn't change a thing! People who don't study this case just don't understand how big this thing is. Just how many leads and threads there are. I first got interested in this thing as an 11 or 12 year old. I just turned 44, lol! My wife knows just how long I've been studying this thing and one day she asked me "Do you ever read or find out something you didn't know about the JFK assassination?" I answered "Just about every time I start researching I come across something I didn't already know or learn more details to things I had heard." People just don't know, lol!

I agree 100%! I've actually expressed my opinion before and been asked for footnotes basically like I was writing a novel (my posts and comments can tend to get long at times, but not quite novel length, lol!) so now I kinda try to go out of my way to express that something is my opinion or is pure speculation on my part. It all to a certain extent is opinion anyway. Whether you are a "lone nutter" or a "conspiracy theorist". The LN would quote so called facts from the WC and the CT would just point out that there is no chain of evidence to their "facts" or that so much "evidence" has been fabricated. Then the CT would point out witness testimony that the LN would say is taken out of context or question the character of the witness. I really do love hearing everyone's theories on the case. Even some that get ridiculed like the Mortal Error theory with Hickey. I don't subscribe to that theory myself, but to me it is far more believable than the "official story". I bet if the forces behind the murder could have thought up such a scenario early on after the critical response to the WC report then they could have floated it out there and maybe people would have swallowed it. They have their lone nut. A terrible accident caused the SS and others to do a coverup. Best of both worlds, lol! I really do try to keep an open mind to an extent, but I try to let common sense steer me. As far as Oswald being a lone assassin, to me if this was the case then why would they have to try so hard to force this square peg into a round hole? There wouldn't be all this chicanery if it were that cut and dry. All of the significant evidence pointing to LHO has no provenance! The chain of possession of each artifact has gaping holes! And the way he was eliminated within a couple of days...... sometimes common sense and a strong gut instinct can tell you more than so called evidence, lol!

@Michael Crane I don't have any kind of proof or anything in my pocket but if I had to guess I would assume that the oil men probably funded the operation. And just wrote it off as they'd gain quite a bit of it back once JFK is gone and that oil depletion allowance thing is gone with him.

I've always heard that Jack Ruby was the fourth guy in this picture with Prescott Bush, Averill Herriman, and Richard Nixon and that it was taken in 1947. Correct me if I'm wrong gentleman. That's just what I have read. I know I have also read that Jacob Rubenstein AKA Jack Ruby was recommended to Richard Nixon as an informant by Prescott Bush.