Ian Lloyd

Hear hear...

It all boils down to semantics, I suppose...the official story has LHO being spotted by Baker as LHO passed by the window in a door. Now, if LHO was walking away from the door, then Baker sees him "walking away from the stairway". So, not necessarily a lie, but... If I'd encountered someone inside a lunchroom (or any other specific room or area), I'd most likely describe it in those terms. That's not to say that everyone else would do the same, but, as an "ordinary Joe"...

A MISTAKE???? For Pete's sake, he only went up ONE floor! How could he possibly believe he had arrived at the 4th floor?? Funny thing, I was thinking about exactly that earlier today and was looking at the layout drawings for the TSBD...To go from the 1st floor to the 2nd floor meant ascending 2 relatively small flights of stairs. Also, if Baker encountered LHO in the lunchroom, why didn't he write that in his affidavit on the 22nd? Why say he "...saw a man walking away from the stairway."? Sure sounds to me like he/they encountered someone walking away from the stairway in an open area. Wouldn't he have said something like he stopped a man in a lunchroom if that was the case?

Tommy, I wasn't picking you up on what you said, it was just my comment. To be honest, I don't think I could tell one way or the other.

165lbs = 11st 11lbs. For a ~5'9" guy, that still may not be particularly large though. Again, some comparison photos would be good... Difficult for me as I'm quite short and overweight!!!

Tommy, Not particularly, I'm sure you wouldn't have made that up!!! Well, being a UK resident and still dealing in 'old money', I look for stones and pounds; 131lbs converts to 9st 5lbs - that's pretty light...131lbs in boxing terms is around super-featherweight depending upon which sanctioning body you refer to (IBF, WBO etc.) which is quite a small guy. 150lbs converts to around 10st 10lbs. So, all in all, I can't be sure if I'd really notice the difference. Would be nice to have photos of 2 guys of around the same height and these 2 weights as a comparison.

His autopsy report says he weighed an "estimated 150 pounds." I thought that, during an autopsy, the body would have actually been weighed in order to ensure that all information gleaned was accurate?

On hold for more "analysis." You might be right, Robert. Meanwhile, for your viewing pleasure, a great stabilized, "slow mo" Darnell gif by Gerda Dunckel which shows Baker running between my big, turning "Jack Dougherty" and the dark-suited guy who sidesteps out of the way and motions Baker up the steps with his left hand. Baker runs behind that guy, not in front of him as I previously thought. Darnell sequence. 94 frames, 6 frames per second, 5.9 MB So, it looks like you're correct, Robert. Why would Baker veer and go to the right? To go up the less-crowded middle or right part of the steps, perhaps? --Tommy I've been trying to figure out why Baker's leg looks like it does at this point - as if he's going up the steps - but I think he's actually stepping up onto the sidewalk that ran in front of the TSBD alongside the Elm Street extension road (look back at the TSBD photo I posted and you'll see the sidewalk and it looks like the height increases as it goes further down the street, so may have been relatively high at the point Baker reaches it).

He looks to be still quite a way from the building - did the steps extend that far away from the building?...

Working entirely from memory here...Didn't Tom Purvis conclude that a shot did strike a tree limb, causing the bullet to tumble and enter JFK's back backwards? I believe he corresponded with an FBI examiner(?), Heidberger(?), on this?

how practical is it to use the iron sights with the scope on the rifle?

I'm guessing that would be Shaneyfelt...?

Tommy, I would suspect that, if people hadn't viewed the Z-film at the time of the recreations, they would have very little idea what any of it meant. I doubt they would have understood the shot timings, vehicle positions etc. I'm not sure even surveyor Robert West really understood what it all meant until Tom Purvis liaised with him. No doubt it would have been intersting to watch nonetheless. I'm not sure if anyone planned to use the recreation films to dupe anyone, it was just a supposition as to why they may have been created. Why do you suppose 2 recreations were carried out?

I would suggest that, if Specter could have stabbed the pointer through the gentleman acting as JFK's stand (or sit)-in in the points and directions of the alleged SBT, as determined by the WC etc., the point of the pointer would be touching the Connally stand (or sit)-in somewhere in the vicinity of his spine. CE 903 disproves the SBT.

Maybe the recreations were produced so that the public could be shown (one/either of) those instead of the Z-film? If there are differences between the recreations and the Z-film (which Chris seems to be demonstrating), then the public could be 'duped'? Let's not forget that the Z-film was kept under wraps until when?...1975?

CE 903 clearly disproves the SBT.

Why did the FBI and the SS do a recreation anyway? Wouldn't one have been sufficient?

Oops, yes, it was a money order...Well, I'm surprised. Waldman exhibit #10?...

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When was the cheque (US, "check") for payment of the rifle allegedly ordered by Hidell/Oswald supposedly cashed, according to the WC?

Did the autopsy doctors dissect the neck/throat in order to examine the wound and therefore determine that a bullet passed through JFK's body? If not, how did they determine that this happened?

And without knowing every little nuance of John F. Kennedy's body, then your charts might be CLOSE, but they might not be close ENOUGH. Do you really think that JFK's body was that much different to any other human? Good heavens, what more proof do you require? Regardless of what length rifle Oswald actually ordered, the TSBD weapon is clearly the same weapon that Klein's mailed to "Hidell" (at Oswald's post office box). Show me where, in the record, the length discrepancy is explained please.

"Once again, we're treated to Cliff Varnell assigning ludicrous levels of presumed spot-on accuracy to things that nobody can know with 100% certainty by merely looking at a photograph" An ability you seemingly want to apply only to you, such as 'absolute' proof that LHO ordered a rifle. Such that LHO absolutely posed for BYP's. Such that LHO ever fired a gun. In 3 words, even more ridiculous. Quote from DVP on the "Did Oswald order the rifle? The answer is yes." thread: Your charts and schematics don't show JOHN KENNEDY'S skeletal structure specifically. And without knowing every little nuance of John F. Kennedy's body, then your charts might be CLOSE, but they might not be close ENOUGH. And now this: "Once again, we're treated to Cliff Varnell assigning ludicrous levels of presumed spot-on accuracy to things that nobody can know with 100% certainty by merely looking at a photograph" An ability you seemingly want to apply only to you, such as 'absolute' proof that LHO ordered a rifle. Such that LHO absolutely posed for BYP's. Such that LHO ever fired a gun. In 3 words, even more ridiculous. Best decide the level of accuracy required - what is "close" and what is "close enough"?

Another point, the weapon found on the 6th floor of the TSBD is clearly not the weapon ordered by A. Hidell since the advertised (and ordered) weapon is a different length - it may be a "little nuance". CLOSE, but not close ENOUGH.

I was just tying up a loose end regarding this Reiland thing. And you're the one who made this statement yesterday, Bob. Not I. .... "Ron Reiland and Bob Clark were obviously the only ones who knew their butts from a hole in the ground when it came to rifles." As for your other thread..... You haven't proven the SBT is a fallacy. Your charts and schematics don't show JOHN KENNEDY'S skeletal structure specifically. And without knowing every little nuance of John F. Kennedy's body, then your charts might be CLOSE, but they might not be close ENOUGH. Plus, I've already pointed out about 699 times in the past the absurdity of believing that TWO separate bullets went into JFK's body just A TINY LITTLE BIT, with neither bullet exiting the body....and then....both bullets simply VANISH! Tell me how that theory passes anyone's laugh test, Bob. Single-Bullet-Theory.blogspot.com/#Debating-The-SBT ---------------- Your charts and schematics don't show JOHN KENNEDY'S skeletal structure specifically. And without knowing every little nuance of John F. Kennedy's body, then your charts might be CLOSE, but they might not be close ENOUGH. But, as you always remind us,(to paraphrase) "...the preponderance of evidence is sufficient..." - why not in this case? Also, 3 little questions: 1. Why was the obvious discrepancy between the advertised rifle length and the length of CE139 never questioned (a response along the lines of "well, they had the rifle used by Oswald to assassinate the President so there was no need to question it." won't do)? Revisiting your question "Did Lee Harvey Oswald order the rifle?" , the answer must therefore be "No" since the rifle found does not match the rifle that was ordered - pretty fundamental really. 2. When was the check cashed, according to the WC records? 3. Did the handwriting experts examine the original documents?