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The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
This is all I said specifically to you Chris. And i wasn't the least interested in hearing you further explore your petty hostilities with Matt. .If you're really not the least upset, then why is 1/2 of of your response talking about your interaction with Matt? Outside of that. I would say most of your last half was a little closer to relevant, but generally your Smedley Butler thing, which I didn't ask for either. I was trying to make a point to you, but I sense 90% of your being is just invested in your interaction with other members here. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Ben: Leave it to the globalists to spend unlimited money and lives on counter-productive wars in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan...and then tip-toe around Ukraine. That's really a cop out. What you're advocating enables them! I'm not just trying to engage in rhetorical jousting here. You've aggressively staked out the most hawkish position of anyone here, immediately assuming we should perpetuate a no fly zone. This is for real. This is the biggest crisis in 60 years. It's not unfair to say you're firmly to the right of both Hilary Clinton and Liz Cheney, who have made no such aggressive statements.So from a anti U.S.war machine perspective, you're hardly in a position to criticize Clinton or Cheney on defense issues. In fact you're swiftness in advocating that puts you to the right of the entire U.S. Congress! Similarly no one in congress, D or R is criticizing Biden everyday as being flat footed and ineffectual. About the only ones who would be would be politicians running for President against Biden in an election year. Of course this is a forum and you're not running for Congress. .But you can't have it both ways. Ben: I wish Europe would take the lead to a multi-state humanitarian interdiction in Ukraine. But that's another cop out.That's not going to happen. I wish they had done that years ago, but right now, as you've pointed they've been sort been whistling by the graveyard. I understand in your cheer leading for escalation, you're keeping us abreast of politicians turning toward your position. Interesting to hear about Dennis Coons joining little Marco about escalation. Maybe you'll eventually get your wish. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
This is how confusion exists. Chris why I see you're upset about Matt's pro west, and anti Putin rhetoric. The truth is, it is just sincerely felt rhetoric. Matt hasn't been an aggressive proponent of Nato or American direct involvement in Ukraine. If you really have a beef, you should go after Ben. Not that I'm trying to pair you guys off. Ben listed as a topic to address:. The runaway DoD and VA budgets. Ben, You know a consensus we've had here for years and you've come here and added to, is the vileness of the U.S. Defense budget and war machine. And yet you don't see that your lofty aims of intervention are just going to stoke a locomotive of Defense spending for many years to come? ***** Ben: And also my apologies with W. I guess i thought we were all over our pride about our anatomies. I known I don't want to be seen in public without my shirt off.. Though I might dive out into the ocean occasionally, and I'd be more accepted in Europe! Matt; I like Snowden, I was merely commenting on the oppressiveness of his personal reality. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Yeah W. , I saw that and I immediately thought of Ben tanning his testicles as well, then maybe deep freezing them to help them regain shape! heh heh heh But on the other hand. I do agree with Ben's statement here. Ben: First I blame Europeans---this is on their doorstep. The Germans, French, Brits, Poles have plenty of capacity for humanitarian interdiction. Yeah,history repeating itself. They certainly were cavalier about this to the end. All this warning was just some paranoid dream kicked up by the American Deep State. Now they're rushing to get tickets to Nato! Ben: The US looks inert also. Yeah, we'll see. But isn't that what everybody says about the "deep pockets?" -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Matt, Re Snowden: another at least on the surface, pro Putin apologist bites the dust, but in fairness to Snowden, probably the last place he would choose to be is Russia if not for the fact that he probably couldn't go anywhere else and not be arrested. Re: Putin's claims of "De Nazification" I'm amazed at some of knee jerk adoptions of Putin's "denazification claims" in Ukraine. Would the question be weighed near as seriously if charismatic leader Putin hadn't invoked it? How great is the neo N-z- problem in Ukraine?. Particularly in light of recent history where the Ukraine people in democratic elections, elected a Jew with near 75% of the vote. Forget electing a President by 75% of the vote. Have we in the U.S., ever elected a Jew? And we don't have problems with neo Nazis and fascists? We had to find out in a phone call from Pelosi to General Milley where he agrees that he and all of his subordinates will not take phone calls from Trump, that the only reason we don't have a more serious problem is that the Military is behind the anti fascists. But still, that's not enough for Oliver Stone in a recent interview to scoff at those skeptics of Putin denazification claims for war saying the fact the Zelensky is a Jew and is President doesn't mean shi-t!!. As if Zelensky is just some domestic pawn, in a greater game. ( yes, more conspiracies Oliver? or is it just politics?) Obviously he's already staked out his territory on that claim as that is the major theme in his pro Putin "Ukraine on Fire" film. As well as his film interview with Ukraine former President, billionaire in exile Yanukovsky. In a lot of ways,, we're faced with a country of people who can't admit they were wrong. And despite shrieks of liberties being infringed. We're too open a society to engage in a Soviet style "deprogramming". We can go after those who cause or commit illegal acts, and only hope that time brings these moonie, potential followers, and political parties down from their illusions. I have an older brother's Stones age but of a middle class background, so I know what influences were weighing on them in the mid 60's. I understand people who would applaud people of privilege offering to go to Viet Nam when they so obviously could have avoided it, like Oliver and John Kerry. But personally while I appreciate everyone who was willing to sacrifice for his country,and I'm sure it was a unique life changing experience that no one else can really know. I have to wonder just what imagery, what sort of naive, false identifications Stone and others of some privilege had. But the same could be said on one level of Zelensky. We all have an allegiance to the country we were born in. Obviously he has a lot of historic persecution among his countryman to forgive, being Jewish. But he's not a naive person. He's aware of the obstacles that have to be overcome, and he's up to doing it, even if he ends up failing. But in the case of this war. I think he's going to end up keeping the good majority of his country.(The rest will be bombed unmercifully and inherited by a giant, deadbeat country, what a future!) And, he doesn't need a lot of scoffing by rich well off westerners. I'm also sympathetic to those who want peace, but it should come as no surprise, by looking through history, that some people do think there are things worth fighting and dying for. But whatever some of us may think of Israel, who would better hold Zelensky's feet to the fire about the extent of Anti Semitism in his country as they did in this interview with Zelensky during his visit there in January of 2020. They asked him about the Holodomor, the Soviet-imposed deliberate famine of 1932-33, which killed millions, and the Holocaust, and he's asked about the influence of Banderas and other historic nationalist figures who at one point collaborated with the Nazis below, as well as about the legalities of his interactions with Trump.. ****** https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-serious-man-zelensky-bids-to-address-ukraines-dark-past-brighten-its-future/ The naming of streets after Ukrainian nationalist heroes has been quite controversial. What are you doing about that? Zelensky:This applies not only to streets but also to monuments. It’s a question of how people with different history, with different attitudes, can live together in practice. It is a very complicated and sensitive issue. There are heroes that are honored in the west and in the center of Ukraine, and there are other Ukrainians that have their own heroes and think otherwise. And I understand the different feelings. And that’s why I’ve said several times, very clearly: When we have so complicated a history, let’s build a common history. Let’s find those people whose names do not cause controversy in our present and in our future. Let’s name the monuments and streets for those people whose names do not provoke conflict. Nowadays, we have our own modern heroes — people who have made history, scientists, people in space exploration, great sportsmen, many writers… people who are widely respected in all parts of Ukraine. Let’s keep politics out of this issue. What kind of Jewish home was yours? Orthodox, not at all Orthodox? Zelensky: Not Orthodox. An ordinary Soviet Jewish family. Most Jewish families in the Soviet Union were not religious. You know religion didn’t exist in the Soviet state as such. Of course, I believe in God. But I speak with him only in those moments which are personal for me Is religion important to you now? Zelensky: (Pauses.) I had one attitude when I was a boy, and another now. I never speak about religion and I never speak about God because I have my own personal opinion about it. Of course, I believe in God. But I speak with him only in those moments which are personal for me, and important, and where I feel comfortable in those places. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Aleksandr Dugin is Putin's main literary geopolitical influence. In this 2017 interview. He says he wants a re establishment of a Russian empire to it's proper place as co equals to the U.S. and China, sort of bridging the gap as Eurasia. And annexing Ukraine is an integral part of that. Unfortunately he thinks Putin is a bit of pussy, because he's done nothing toward that end in 17 years. Putin is pushing 70 this year. Putin thinks if he's going to be a great Russian historical figure, times running out and he's going to have to push it now, at least as far as he can. A more detailed interview by the BBC below . -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Paul, Of course, any body from anywhere is"entitled to state their opinions" in this case about America. But it's really about anything. But there are "facts". When they're challenged to produce facts, they may not be able to but that in no way infringes their free speech. Yet that's what I'm hearing a lot. 2. Paul:If we can read and think we see Democrats (or the NYT)lie about Biden’s son, or Hillary, or whoever the target is, understand why they are doing it, wish they had more courage to just do what’s right and oppose corruption in their own ranks as well as in the thoroughly corrupted elected segment of the Republican Party. You bring up Hunter Biden. Biden can't open up a case against his son. That would be seen as autocratic. No one would believe such results. The DOJ opens a case against Hunter Biden. It takes time to build a case or haven't we noticed how slow justice has been for Trump? Despite recordings of Trump attempting voter fraud? Now we hear the case is getting traction. What evidence do you have the Democrats are lying?. They're doing the same things the Repubs are doing, waiting and seeing what happens in the courts. It's simply not their job.. You're saying you wish the Dems had the courage to do what's right and oppose the corruption of Hunter Biden and Hilary, so you're making the assumption that Hunter Biden and Hilary are guilty but you refuse to answer guilty of what? Aren't those all legitimate questions to ask? -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Exactly Matt, Ben's deep in his Thai cave, peering at the imaginary glimmerings of life in the U.S. Has absolutely no real understanding. He's fallen prey to every Fox buzzwords, dog whistles and faux dramas like a lamb lead to slaughter. Maybe that's why this alienated rant. Ben: Krugman is smart, and makes some good points.And, remarkably, Krugman goes entirely mute on US border controls against cheap and illegal immigr labor. Oh my god that is remarkable Ben!. "Krugman's entirely mute!!, What an insightful 2 sentence "everyman' summary review, Ben. Sorry he couldn't read your mind and hear you barking at the moon, and give you the attention you deserve.. What could be wrong with him?. You can't challenge yourself to come with a less dimwitted, cheap review than this! Ben:Are you the face of the New Donk Party? Higher blue-collar wages are bad!!!!. No, Ben We're not bad.! We are the DONKS!, We're going to make sure you never work beyond $7.25 an hour again. But don't worry. if you just let us do our MSM mischief on you. You'll eventually grow to like it. Just keep watching Fox!. Ben:. I hope the Donks learn to stop calling everyone, everywhere, 24/7, a "racist." Do Donks ever feel sheepish, or self-righteous, about defining whole groups of people they never met as "racists!!!." Oh my god, Ben !!! You've nailed the Donks! They've been keeping you underneath their heels all your life! It must feel good to must finally cry out at your Donk oppressors.. So you're always being victimized Ben? Is that why all the anger? Ben:If you meet some racists from a particular demographic, party or group, does that mean all people in that group are racists? That's a bunch of self pitying BS. As is your whole rant. Nobody's directly called you a racist here, or referred to any imagined demographic.. Maybe if you didn't approach us with multiple personalities and stop trying to be the "shock jock", and tried being earnest, we might disagree, but you'd find out we're pretty nice guys. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Ben: So then I point out holes in your military strategy and you go back to Hilary Clinton! Let me tell you the truth about Hilary Clinton you're going to hear nowhere else. Just imagine your situation living in Thailand and yet your privy to this information! Hilary Clinton on policy foreign has always been a manicured centrist! She had been meticulously dotting ever "I" and crossing every "t" to run for President for 16 years!, never doing anything that, to the mainstream was controversial. I'm not a big fan of Hilary's foreign policy. Hilary did vote for GW's war in Iraq. It was for that reason, I voted for Barack Obama who was against the war, over Hilary in 2008. It's a solid reason to not vote for Hilary, if you choose. But really politically it was a very calculated, prudent move from someone aspiring to run for President who was serving in the Senate in 2004. She could ride Bush's coat tails if he was successful, ( because no one knew how it was going to turn out) and disavow it and say she was supporting the country in time of crisis after 911 if he wasn't. You and I won't forgive her but most people will. I would say her worst infraction listed in your article turned out to be Libya , where we ended up supporting taking out Khadaffy ( don't correct me on spelling) and throwing the country into a disorderly tailspin for years. Still it's nothing that any mainstream Republican wouldn't have done at the time. It's very calculated. Hilary won't position herself to the right of any Republican in foreign policy! All those incidents of Hilary's hawkishness in a subordinate position cited in your article Ben, are small potatoes.They've been warning about this confrontation with Russia over Europe for 60 years. Stop this peacenik crap Ben! You and Curtis Lemay E. are way to the right of Hilary Clinton on this critical issue! There's your proof to what I'm saying about Hilary being a centrist. You haven't heard Hilary spout anything near your aggressive posturing on this, at least yet. My guess is that when push came to shove you were also in favor of Bush's War in Iraq, and maybe would have switched if things didn't go right. The Republican Party did not criticize the War in Iraq for over a decade until Trump took it up against Jeb in the 2016 primaries, which finally gave Republicans an excuse to saying they're against it. I don't see any consistency in you from your early repetitive references to the U.S. military "Deep State" (which has become such a trite term!) and then now jumping on to your super Hawk position in Ukraine. ****** W:At least Chris can be excused for knowing so little about American history and politics. I agree with W. Chris. You are excused, now run along! heh heh heh heh heh It's a joke Chris! Do we really have to hear back from you about it? -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
You guess?? The pronunciation I assume was a bit tricky for you. (Was it May-ee?) heh heh heh You must be an expert, what does the E. stand for? Remember your nostalgic spin out on the segway speedway, Ben?, That's Italian, it's segue. But you missed the whole point. Irony can also be tricky. And serious discussions about Hilary's domestic policies, I can understand would be trickier still for you Ben. But to give you some foreign policy forum context, the kick on this forum from the Hilary emasculated is HC and Liz Cheney are super hawks. In reality that case can be made more for Cheney's daughter, but actually once Jeff Carter said positively if Hilary was elected President, she was planning a nuclear attack on both Russia and China while a unique window he said was open but never explained how it was open! But you and Curtis E. (and maybe GW) make them look like defense pussycats! There's no telling where this could lead. You can claim credit if we eventually invade and gain the glorious triumph you foresee. But you're actually counting on an attack that would make Putin give up all the gains he's made, so you're confident you could precipitously push Putin in a corner, make him give up everything , including his position as ruler and the prospect of being tried as a war criminal, and not strike back?? That's easy to say from the jungles of Thailand with no real knowledge of modern warfare, or weaponry or military strategy in an online world where everyone is an expert. Of course,this has been discussed a lot , and everyone's entitled to their opinion, we'll leave aside past history but why would any of us pay much attention?, as it seems we don't. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
About the same as General Curtis Le Maye, if he were living would be applauding Ben Cole for his forum "Give me a Ukraine flyover zone, or give WW3" jingoes. Does that answer your question, Ben? -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Actually Paul, My Dad said "maybe you should go to Russia and see how you like it " to me in about 69-70! heh heh I think about the best example you can make about relative happiness would be the young person in the U.S. with 100k in education debt with no reasonable prospect of paying it down and watching some of his friends lead an upwardly mobile lifestyle, is certainly weighed down a lot more more than a typical Russian youth with similarly no prospects, and no other friends with those prospects, but very little debt. But it seems it's harder to imagine the suppression of being round up for political belief's against an autocracy. !.Paul:The problem with Democrats engaging in media censorship, 2. Paul:If we can read and think we see Democrats (or the NYT)lie about Biden’s son, or Hillary, or whoever the target is, understand why they are doing it, wish they had more courage to just do what’s right and oppose corruption in their own ranks as well as in the thoroughly corrupted elected segment of the Republican Party. The first point I was making Paul that you automatically assume is in evidence and haven't addressed is "How are the Democrats are engaging in media censorship?" And the how are they "lying" about Hunter Biden and Hilary Clinton?.And what specifically is it that you're charging them with, that the Democrats are lying about? Have you ever thought that there is a sort of "cancel culture" here about of debunking conspiracy theories on a conspiracy website?" Because I have. This question is immediately avoided by calling it a red state/ blue state partisan issue, when in reality I'm just asking you to clarify. What on earth are you talking about here? Is this a hyphenated Democrat/NYT/DOJ conspiracy theory? You've just sort of hit and run here and haven't explained in any detail your theory.But what's worse to me is your saying anyone who would question that is somehow an "American" or "Democrat" "homey" and the usual followers come in and support that, and nothing is clarified.. Could you support your argument? Because it's not clear. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
To the dismay of Ben and Chris, more red state blue state kool aid to ponder. ( Of course, When has having zero detailed understanding of the American political system iever stopped Chris from pontificating about it to mere American inhabitants? Ben's jingoes are at least, brief!) Fellow Trump obfuscator , and fervid 2020 stolen election advocate.Mark Meadows has now been found to have voter registration in a red and blue state. Virginia and North Carolina. https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article259506469.html kool aid, kool aid ----- tastes great! wish I had some--- can't wait! -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Paul, I assume you wrote that long thoughtful piece, because you're inviting discussion about it. Paul: If we can read and think we see Democrats (or the NYT)lie about Biden’s son, or Hillary, or whoever the target is, understand why they are doing it, wish they had more courage to just do what’s right and oppose corruption in their own ranks as well as in the thoroughly corrupted elected segment of the Republican Party. The question i have here Paul is what are your examples of "Democrat media censorship?" So the NYT and the democrats are synonymous? I'm not sure of the specific case you're making with Hilary, was that the e mails? I'm sure there's something there, Of course once you start talking about Hunter Biden, it gets somewhat trivial about "democrat corruption". Because he's not really in their ranks. But still are the Democrats "lying" about Hunter Biden or hiding the dirt on Hunter Biden? What are they supposed to do? I haven't seen any evidence of that. The FBI has been investigating Hunter Biden. But Biden hasn't interfered in the case off his son, but Trump was continually stonewalling aiding he investigations involving his kids and Jared Kushner. Paul:The problem with Democrats engaging in media censorship, which Matt and maybe others don’t think worth mentioning, is that it reveals something deeper, which is that they are not the good guys and gals we imagine them to be, other than in comparison to the goons on the other side. Specifically, I saw something completely different here with Matt. You said , "The US calls RT Russian propaganda without putting in perspective that our media is also propaganda. " You weren't talking about Democrat controlled media. You were comparing the U.S. with Russia. I would agree with you that both sides are propagandizing maybe more than I think Matt might. (though i don't know) But I agree with Matt completely, there's no comparison of the censorship of Russians people getting thrown in jail for speaking their minds about the Russian war in Ukraine. One such case happened today. Your examples of Trump getting kicked off twitter, they are a private company. In Russia there are no private news companies or they've been disband by Putin and some independent dissident Russian voices have left the country. Chris Hedges having his earlier stuff on youtube scrubbed is worth getting upset about. But he's still free to push his point of view, just not on Youtube and it's worth mentioning, he's never a guest on CNN and MSNBC, yes. But people can seek him out online. The average Russian can't find information outside of state TV. There is a growing number of people who are buying VPN's because they don't want the government tracing them and they're probably scared to death to purchase it.. As for Trump getting banned on twitter. Personally i can respect other people's point of view on this one. But in my mind, if our justice system worked fairly and equitably at a faster speed. Trump should be in jail. I don't have anymore sympathy for him than I do for O.J.'s sentence in Las Vegas. Yes they're not the same, but for right now, Trump is free. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Paul you've come up with a lot of stuff here. There's a lot to sort out. Paul: Ask yourself this - if the 2016 election had been between Trump and Bernie Sanders who would have won? That would have been a great race, with 2 anti establishment candidates, occupying ideas out of the conventional political spectrum. I honestly think Trump would have won. People loved Trump's strength although it was really just masking his insecurity and incompetence. In the primaries , Hilary handily had more total votes than Bernie. That whole pro Hilary - anti Bernie DNC thing by Debbie Wasserman Schultaz sucked but it didn't matter. Yes the Dem donor class won with Hilary. But it's really more because of the Dem minorities not warming up to Bernie, as illogical as that seems. It played out again in 2020. Black voters don't want anything new and flashy. They wanted 3 time loser Joe Biden who made the most savvy political decision of his career by putting himself below Barack Obama in 2008. There's no question, we've all said many times Clinton sold out to The Republicans and Democrat globalists. He came into office with a typical liberal vision of being the next JFK. He appointed Robert Reich as Labor Secretary. That was a great appointment. ( Reich laments now that they had their chance and blew it.) He tried to pass an ambitious health care program and made Hilary his point woman. The Republicans stalled around and eventually ended up crucifying her. That same tactic was used 15 years later, the Republicans were going to fake like they were interested, Obama was sort of naive thinking they could all work together but Nancy Pelosi wasn't going to let that happen this time, but they got a lot less and got what? 12 million more people health care. Then in 1994, there was the "Republican revolution" and Gingrich's "Contract with America" and Clinton lost his chance for any sort of Progressive Presidency and started cooperating with the Republicans on the corrosive crime bill and went completely with the Republicans on Nafta, never to return, until they started paying a political price with the Trump candidacy. Nancy Pelosi is a Northern California guilty liberal, who would like to hold on to all of her appurtenances of power, like unregulated stock trading, not that she needs to, because she's come from a wealthy Mayland political family background. But ultimately she knows how well she's done and would pay more taxes if asked. She is aware of the inequalities of wealth and it could be in part out of a fear that things could get so out of control, that there could be a class revolution, that she wants to appear on the side of the lowly. I'm not in any way comparing her to FDR, as he was a President, from an aristocratic background during a very economically challenged era. But some have said of Roosevelt that his New Deal legislation and his attempt to a construct a social safety net "saved Capitalism." These "self hating white liberal" Democrats have somewhat of a guilty conscience and are not prepared to put up a strong stand against the hippocracy of their position, should there be a unified, concerted effort by constituents who know the issues. Just as Pelosi herself backed off on her insistence on Congress free stock trading rights. She may not work for it, but she won't use her power against it.There's a lot going on right now, so maybe not this session but something is going to done about that because it's developed bipartisan support. But Pelosi is pretty typical of blue state city liberals. You have a quarter to a third of the Democrats who are "the base". That is,they are politically active. They may knock on doors,circulate petitions, attend rallies. These are largely the Bernie, Elizabeth Warren people. They're mostly young, liberal, informed, intelligent,up on all the issues, civil rights, abortion rights, who goes to the Scotus. They're largely anti defense. They know what Citizen's United is. Then you have some entrenched capitalist globalist from rich districts and a few freaks who enjoy their privilege and somehow can swing in it in working class districts or states, like Joe Manchin. All this group is probably 10% of the total Democrat party, though they're generally well financed. Each party is polarizing ideologically. Whereas the Republicans may anticipate class warfare, but their attitude is to hunker down, and question the legitimacy of a government safety net at all, and they'll tell you further the government isn't effective at all at addressing these problems anyway, so they're making it a self fulfilling prophecy by simply opposing everything the Democrats are trying to enact. At the most generous assessment, they are adopting a bargaining position that the government should be at the size it was in the 50's, or maybe 100 years ago. The only moderates left of the House Republicans, that is the minority, come from wealthy districts. But the majority will tell you that governments just tax your hard earned pay and are really an evil, that just take away your rights. Many of the new or newly adapted Trump Republicans these days, push government conspiracies. Of course bringing up the Granddaddy of all conspiracies, the JFK assassination, is very profitable for them to allude to. Though, they have little detailed understanding. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Exactly Pat, our forum tabloid contributor New York Post er boy Ben, is smelling blood on Hunter Biden again! So what is it?, privileged families, using their connections to get cushy jobs on corporate boards? Tales of drug abuse? Tax infractions, After the Trump Presidency?? "Oh, you just wait" says Ben. Hoping to find the usual Fox News, Democrat pedophile gold, Ben? Obviously whatever information can be exposed, should be exposed on both the Trump and Biden family. And can there be any doubt who exponentially has more to hide? Exclusive: Leaked Messages Reveal the Origins of the Most Vile Hunter Biden Smear Fugitive Chinese tycoon and Steve Bannon ally Guo Wengui pushed out explicit material—and lies—on the eve of the 2020 election. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/04/hunter-biden-laptop-guo-wengui-bannon-giuliani/ -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
I agree with you about Chris Hedges, that is absurd. I think in part it's because he worked for the NYT and is one of them. RT always had some good stuff you wouldn't see on our MSM. I was watching their coverage for a few weeks before the they shut it off, just to see what they reported. But their lead story for many weeks had been the Trucker's convoy in Canada. Then they'd repeat a story of a young passenger in a U.S. airliner wearing a "Let's go Brandon" T shirt and matching cap making a fuss when the attendants asked him to put on a jacket, as if such dissent is regularly tolerated in Russia. Just before they invaded they showed film of people the Russian Army were evacuating from East Ukraine over the border to Russia. But it wasn't clear if there was really a danger or the Russians just told them they are better off going, probably because they were about to invade. Part of it is that during war, all countries have restricted speech. I understand the global town square but if things got heavy enough, could we really trust the government? Why wouldn't that also eventually turn out to be the fox guarding the hen house? It would then be up to the legislators. Has there ever really been such a thing as unlimited free speech anywhere? Or is it just like "liberty and justice for all." Above everything, MSM is really about money. Trump was a boon for for ratings. MSNBC and CNN decided they boost ratings by going anti Trump, and Fox was pro. It was kind of absurd that CNN was for a long while still trying to act like they were just "reporting the news", when it became so Trump dominated, Then MSNBC decided they can broaden their base by pulling in neocons for no other reason than they're anti Trump. The closest thing they got to an anti U.S. imperialist, anti defense spending person is say a Michael Moore, whose not really treated as one of their pundits, but mostly an entertainer. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
News flash! Get this, My the tables have turned! Previous Putinites (and Ben idols) Tucker Carlson and Glenn Greenwald are now claiming that Ukraine hawks (like Ben) are calling them "treasonists and traitors" because they don't want the U.S. to get directly involved in a "hot war" with Russia in Ukraine! I'm more or less in the same "restraint mode" about U.S. involvement in Ukraine as them. And that's actually the majority point of view! So bottom line is even though Carlson and Greenwald are now actually in the majority, they are crying wolf that they're being persecuted as "traitors". Am I old school? Or are these guys just 2 whiny little privileged wimps! Listen to them commiserate! I can understand where people don't want to get in involved with these Greenwald bottom feeding twitter wars. But there's more to this. Both Carlson and Greenwald urged restraint on the reports of civilian killings in Bucha. And what Greenwald is reacting to is one twitter comment from Rick Wilson, (who he calls a Liberal icon,but Glenn didn't know in reality, he's a Republican media strategist). who responded satirically .\ Wilson tweets: Greenwald: See they tied their hands behind their backs, and shot themselves in the backs of their heads. Vladimir Putin's brave, strong, morally upright men were merely trying to liberate them.In fact, I'm sure it's a neocon plot to make Putin look bad. To this Glenn responds! Liberal icon @TheRickWilson fabricated a quote, attributed it to me, and now his drooling Dem fans are saying this is proof I'm a traitor! They should transfer more of their paycheck to his account to satiate their rage. *Fake quotes are fine with Twitter if for the right cause! It's called satire! The fact that people fall for satire and parody — even when it’s obvious — doesn’t make it not satire or parody. That’s the point. Someone said all satire is a joke between the writer and reader at the expense of a hypothetical third party who takes it seriously. Only the most humorless, self absorbed person like Greenwald couldn't see that, as the only Glenn I've seen is a guy whose hair is perpetually on fire and has never uttered anything near what I would consider a joke in anything I've read from him. Bottom line, don't fall for Greenwald's self victimization! -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Paul , I agree with you about Steve Schmidt. He's an anti Trump Republican hawk, whose been given a platform by Msnbc because he's more articulate at bashing Trump than most Democrats. Specifically Jim Di speaking out against censorship of Trump? I think of 2 possibilities. Jim started a "Trump was right" thread, that's now I believe in the Trump thread category where he quickly defended Trump from the press because of Trump statement he made with Putin at Helsinki where he said "Putin didn't have reason to meddle in the 2016 election". But then he reversed himself 24 hours later and said he misspoke and meant to say Putin " did have reason to meddle". Or possibility 2. Jim may have been outraged that Trump got kicked off Twitter. Of course, Twitter is a private company, and I personally think there are a lot more worthy private business areas that the government could get involved with than Twitter Like the oil, pharmaceuticals and banks for starters. JMO. And you're mentioning Greenwald, and I hope I'm not considered unfair for bashing him now. As W. has appointed out, I remember in the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case the second of the 2 ringleaders plead guilty a couple of months ago. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/09/second-man-pleads-guilty-plot-kidnap-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer Ben;s been talking about it for a year. It's no wonder why Ben has glomed on to this acquittal. Here's Glenn's Greenwald twitter feed yesterday. Greenwald: The DOJ completely failed to convict anyone in the "Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot" that the FBI concocted, paid for, directed and orchestrated. Completely wrong! Then today! Remember when countless journalists, pundits, and politicians screeched with such righteous certitude about the Governor Whitmer kidnapping plot, as though it were established fact, He's still at it! Obviously Greenwald, like Ben hasn't put that much effort into following it. I might add, 2 of these charges of the acquitted were hung juries! Does Glen Greenwald bear any responsibility for things he's saying? I have some more of this about Greenwald's victimization I'm working on. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Paul:The problem as I see it is that once Putin ordered Russian forces in and started killing people all discussions about NATO or any other compromising factors are put on the shelf. Chris and anyone else that points to NATO is now seen as exonerating Putin. In general I agree with you Paul that the general population has little interest in what happened decades leading up to this, which is unfortunate. But here, we have a patriarchal figure who did a 4 hour largely pro Putin interview film and made a very pro Putin film preaching that the 2014 uprising in Ukraine was the work of Nazis and we have a disciple in Jim whose been pretty much in lockstep and of course regular weigh ins by Jeff. If we're really listening to each other, there's been lots of opportunity here. I like to think I listen and I've learned a lot. Very little Chris has said is new to me though I might check into a few of his facts. I've said on a number of occasions that the U.S. had an excellent opportunity 30 years ago to take Russia under it's wing and ensure this subsequently would never have happened. It just seemed when we were no longer competing with them we just sort of grew tired and bored of them and dismissed them because that's who we are, unfortunately. But now having said that, to me we've missed the boat as far as any peaceful solution that won't in essence give Putin a victory even though he's badly botched this invasion. The main question I'm asking myself is are we really doing all we can to supply the Ukrainians to obliterate their occupiers to kingdom come? heh heh People are very impatient with sanctions, but to me , they have been much more successful than I ever would have thought. I don't think people realize , Bringing all the nato countries interests together is a Herculean task. You can't help but feel compassion for all their suffering and respect for their bravery.You're certainly lead by our media reports to ask the questions, "are the Russian conventional forces just posers?" Would anything above giving billions in arms to Ukraine just exacerbate a natural Russian tendency to unite behind their autocrat strong man,much more WW3? Of course we have to remember that in the first Persian Gulf War, even though it wasn't as pinpoint accurate as we were first told. The U.S. guided weapons systems revolutionized modern warfare in Iraq. Then after the war, there was a lot of shameless banter that Bush should have finished the job and take Baghdad and institute regime change. And if that wasn't bad enough. Later there was even crying that George Bush was now gone and Sadamm Hussein had outlasted him. ??? Then later on, his son gets elected and tries to avenge his daddy and look what happened? It's true. it's not exactly the same. But we have to be aware, we're not getting a 100% accurate idea of what's going on on the ground there. Don't get too cocky! My intuition which really means nothing is that this is a critical period to strongly refortify the Ukrainians as it might provide greater sustaining power in the long run. However it seems to me Putin will go to great lengths to not let the Ukrainians recapture the east. Including maybe missiles and WW3 if his back is to the wall. The only real victory would be if the Russian people overthrew Putin. But what possibility is there of that, 10%?, 20%, 30% 40%? It wouldn't be immediate. Is there hope of refortifying the Ukrainians in a longer range war where that could happen before the Ukrainian resistance finally has to throw in the towel? ***** -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Thank you for plummeting your depths for me, Ben! ****** Equal time, Thanked On Russian Media -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Ben, I use to think you're repetition was because, let's face it none of us are getting younger, so I could put up with 2 consecutive posts where you talk about your Uncle Jerry "smelling a rat". Then i realized in the JFK section you're concerned about your performance level, that you're not at all repetitive. You contribute, thoughtfully, and earnestly, and have some of your own ideas and theories. . You're even a bit of a climber, regularly kissing Jim Di's ass. heh heh Seriously, Why the 2 personalities? -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Overcoming early rejection in his life path in becoming a Canadian exchange student to the Soviet Union . Jeff has overcompensated and now fathoms himself as the forum Russian Putin expert confidently assuring us he was the man inside Putin's head and under no circumstances would Putin invade Ukraine. I knew the next season's drama would be victim Putin struggle with oppressive Nato that left him no choice but to coldly and brutally demolish any structure or human being standing on Ukraine's surface. I'll often defer to intelligent people who have read voluminously about a given topic and ask questions to get a firm understanding of their take. I still do, but I've revised my outlook here on this forum, that being the most knowledgeable means absolutely nothing if the initial aim aim is just confirmation of existing beliefs and theories. W:At least Jeff isn't repeating Ben's daily memes about NATO and Biden weakly dithering, etc., etc., etc. Isn't that the truth?, at least Jeff's writing style is concise, and fun to read, even if I may not agree. Ben style of writing is is so repetitive and boring. For the next months on end we'll continue to hear that Biden and dithering , flat footed, when granted he's following a rather boring Nato institutionalist path against direct intervention, it nonetheless reflects the majority thought as it is now. Ben as a typical member of a conspiracy forum can take the most moderate milquetoast political decisions and make them into hyphenated conspiracy notions.This is about as conspiratorial as a democracy reflecting the will of it's people and their elected representatives fear of not being re elected.Just as the majority want to seriously prosecute Trump for his crimes including 1/6 insurrection and it's leaders and foot soldiers. Ben hyphenated the opposition to Trump as the "Government Deep state-NSS", when in reality it reflected a solid majority who want criminals to be prosecuted. Just as now Ben will hyphenate this to death saying it Globalist Biden path. In reality, this is controlled by governments. No corporations initially wanted to be involved in this, and no corporations who are part of this are going to back out. As long as there's a politic fervor,their hands are tied. They can't bear the consequences of how it will look. Realizing this true relationship would actually be empowering but that entails too much future responsibility and no one really wants that. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Kirk Gallaway replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
I think Putin had more titanic aspirations, but now can slim this down to these 3 goals (above).With these he can declare victory and say he liberated Eastern Ukraine from Nazis. Nato can declare victory and spin it that that the 3 day war ending in the capture of the capitol failed and Ukraine remained 80% in tact without even even so much as Nato's direct intervention into Ukraine. Of course where does that leave Ukraine? Any loss of territory outside of finally conceding Crimea will be seen by Ukraine as loss and betrayal by the West and they'll be very vocal about it. The ultimate victory for the West would be the overthrow of Putin by the Russian people and leaving Ukraine's territory before the war in tact. This is seen as unlikely but the most effective means to that specific end is the Russian oligarchs and middle classes feeling the pinch of sanctions, though the progress of that will always be unclear. The West also has some hope in invading the iron curtain of communication and informing the everyday Russian people of atrocities and persuading them that this war is not going on as has been portrayed to them, thereby slowly winning a PR war. In the mean time, Nato will continue to provide more of the demonstrably effective weaponry, which they are very able to do. As long as Ukrainians show the will to fight. Then the question is, with the exposure of the complete decimation of Ukraine, the misery suffering and displacement, will their be popular support to mess with this equation, and extend this into a regional war including Nato? I think it's generally acknowledged that it's not wise to push Putin in a corner any more than he already is. The prospect however remote is still existent that the Russian people could remove Putin. But they won't if Russia is seen by it's people as being under greater assault. And no one wants to face the prospect of a Putin fearing being prosecuted for war crimes or even a Putin facing the prospect of a humiliating war that he doesn't come to a rational conclusion that it is in his best interests to remove himself from.