Kirk Gallaway

Did you guys hear? The President has declared Biden can't have the vaccine until he becomes President! Should he become President!!!! Man that guy is cold! Just out to seek every advantage! But his base loves it! heh heh Just kidding Kilt him Bill Barr, when he was only 3. W.D.

I like what you say, Jeff, but I think it's pretty hopeful. I just don't think JFK was ever going to be that powerful. What I thought you were going for was 16-20 years of Kennedy rule. That would have been an interesting chunk, but would have involved steering through 4-5 elections! Which in reality, is very hard to do. It might be just terminology, but I'm not sure America needed a New Deal in the 60's. It was the economic peak of the greatest economic power in the history of civilization. Working class people made it into the suburbs! But what I would take would be that there was a greater movement toward making it for more diverse groups of people being given a chance to assimilation. I think the 60s were going to be a turbulent time that politicians would have to navigate through with or without JFK. The times were so interesting, yes it would have been fascinating to see a JFK second term. But you mention the "4 Freedoms" which I've always thought was John Lenon's "Imagine" 30 years before him. (Except for their clash on the second freedom-"no religion too") heh heh I'm probably more interested in seeing what the world would have looked like if FDR could have filled out his final term and establish his imprint into the Post War era.

Jeff said: Absolutely the world would have been perennially changed if JFK had served two terms. Are you arguing that Nixon would have won in 1968 regardless? No I don't think Nixon.. But Jeff, you're enough of an American" Deep State" guy to know that LBJ would have been no more of a "dove' in Viet Nam than Nixon, given what LBJ as President eventually did do! Maybe I'm getting ahead of your thinking, but It sounds like you're making a lot of assumptions. Why are you so sure that JFK would have been so successful? . Do you really think that JFK would have been such a slam dunk as a President that for example, the blacks would have forgotten all their cares and not rioted through out the mid to later 60's purely on the power of JFK's charisma? Even that was done after LBJ's civil rights legislation that JFK probably could never have accomplished. JFK wouldn't have gotten tremendous popular support for avoiding Viet Nam because we never would have known what a disaster VIetnam was until we actually went there. It's only through living through that war , that we can give JFK credit, but that's in hindsight! I'm not sure where you're going Jeff. You probably think Bobby would have been a shoo in. I might have liked that. But you realize the only reason Bobby was first considered as an executive at all, was the through the incredible power of martyrdom through his brother's death, as you saw through the huge ovation at the 1964 Demo convention. Remember, by 1964, Bobby had never even run for public office and eventually was rather timid and late to even challenge LBJ.in 1968! (after Eugene Mc Carthy) Even after it was so obvious how badly LBJ had botched things in Viet Nam! But there wouldn't even have been that martyrdom factor if JFK hadn't been assassinated!

What I like about W's view is that he tries to achieve some balance. i admire Sandy's persistence in asking Jim and Dennis about rating the Presidents because I think I know why he may be puzzled and I'll attempt to answer purely on the number of negative or positive statements made over time. Jim and Dennis are largely 2 peas in a pod, very influenced by Oliver Stones "Unauthorized biography of America", which starts around the Depression era, which is quite good, and I would recommend. I'll key mostly on Jim because of sample size over the years, Jim never really presents balance, though Dennis seems to be presenting some more in his recent posts. . But Jim's order of best President would be: 1) JFK 2) JFK 3) JFK and so on... One exception might be FDR, I assume Jim given his stated preferences likes FDR, but he's really been rather quiet about it. Since this forum and Jim is big on media conspiracies, I've never heard Jim say so, but I feel like there could be a legitimate MSM conspiracy alleged about the historical coverage of FDR's Presidency being swept under the rug, whereas Jim predictably thinks JFK has gotten the worst take, because they refuse to revise their blind obeyance to the WC findings and refusal to declaratively revise the fact that JFK was actually trying to wind down and not escalate the U.S.involvement in Vietnam. A few years ago, Jim perpetuated a JFK cult here. Almost every one posts he started was to show that the world would have been perennially changed if JFK was allowed to fill out 2 terms. I won't characterize it as I did at the time, but it did bug me. Jim evades Sandy's question about his top 10 Presidents and defers to experts like Paul Bleau because.. Going strictly on impressions from what he's said. Jim is pretty much contemptuous of all the other Presidents since FDR,with the exception of JFK, and has nothing good to say about any of them. In fact, Jim never says for example, " Such in such was good here, but was terrible there, and that why I hate him". That also goes for people like Noam Chomsky who is about as vigilant as Jim about U.S. intervention and similarly has nothing good to say about any Presidents, ,and who I would think represents Jim's views more than he does mine, but Jim pretty much castigates anyone who doesn't publicly espouse the JFKA conspiracy, so for Jim, that's another hoop for a leader to jump through. On the other hand, From what I've seen here, it's a very elite group of historic figures that Jim likes, and they have the status of divine super heroes. They are:. 1.JFK 2. RFK 3. Jim Garrison 4.Oliver Stone 5. Vladimir Putin' 6. Robert Parry-always referring to him as " the great". 7.Julian Assange 8.Mort Sahl Dennis's response to Sandy of 9 and 10 being Garfield and Arthur, i assume was a joke, as Garfield was assassinated very early in his Presidency and Arthur inherited his Presidency and never successfully was re elected to the Presidency, much like Gerald Ford. It kind of requires more research to get those last numbers down and we are sort of spitballin' here.

I remember waking up in a hotel room one morning and tuning around to the TV oldies station and seeing this, Ron.It's an excellent TV time piece. I recognize a lot of on air voices, and I notice the narrator is William Conrad of "Cannon".

Cliff said;Can’t give Obama credit for anything. Ever. Biden opposed the Libya operation, or so he said during the ‘16 campaign. That's true Cliff, I remember when I got here, you'd hear nothing but negatives about the Obama imperial MIC aspirations, and never a word about George Bush starting 2 massive long term wars where the second, Bush's invasion of Iraq is the most far reaching world horrifying event of the last 50 years! It was a little like what Trump supporters would say, in that Obama was a hallmark change where the country took a major evil turn for the worse! Jim definitely marches to a different drummer! What, not enough excitement for you Jim.? After the President tries to overturn the Constitution and the duly elected government? And, after 4 years under an aspiring fascist autocrat but hardly noticing it. Jim now wants to leave the U.S. in disgust for Costa Rica at the unbearable spectacle of a Joe Biden Presidency???? Is this just a scheme, Jim?, to meet some Trump supporters who could no longer stomach living the U.S. after Biden "stole" the election? heh heh Ok, Ive been to Costa Rica many times, its beautiful, you can find some nice mini climates. Yes you can find good internet. But there are lots of foreigners down there for many decades, so it's not cheap. You pay for it being more civilized. A lot more for gas, energy expensive, some items from at home very expensive. The moral of the story: If Liberals don't pass each others litmus test, they will eat their own! Whereas Republicans could slavishly devote themselves to someone they may have no real respect for and hate!

They're going to go unpunished. Which is a big mistake for the future.

I love how this all began, with these States Rights zealots who then turn around and sue other states for violating their states voting rights. It's Texas bullying around it's neighbors through their Attorney General Ken Paxton,and threatening to overturn their elections. It's backed by their douchebag Governor Abott and Lt.Governor Dan Patrick They're prepared to take it to SCOTUS and have their partner in douchegoguery Ted Cruz argue on their behalf! RE:Texas AG Paxton--- The FBI is investigating Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, the Associated Press reported Tuesday evening, vetting allegations made by eight of Paxton’s former top aides that he illegally used the power of his office to benefit a political donor. Two unnamed sources told the AP that the bureau was examining claims made by the whistleblowers that Paxton broke the law by intervening several times in legal matters involving Nate Paul, a real estate investor and friend who donated $25,000 to Paxton’s campaign in 2018. Paxton has been under indictment for more than five years on securities fraud charges but has yet to stand trial. He has dismissed the charges as politically motivated and entered a not guilty plea. And yet he's actually been re elected! And Trump is meeting with Paxton tomorrow! https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Trump-Ken-Paxton-election-challenge-the-big-one-15788005.php

From an ancient Chinese text written over 2500 years ago. An occasional convulsion is bound to occur, uncovering a hidden evil within society and at first causing a great sensation. But since the situation is favorable on the whole, such evils can easily be glossed over and concealed from the public. Then everything is forgotten and peace apparently reigns complacently once more. However, to the thoughtful man, such occurrences are grave omens that he does not neglect. This is the only way of averting evil consequences. It's time for a constitutional convention. I mean these crackers wrote a pretty good document. But we know what time has done to it. You can't have lifetime appointments to the Supreme Court. Our life span isn't 40 years anymore, I heard that the average person born today, will live to be 103! Ok they were pretty enlightened for their time and of course just mortal wealthy slave owners like the rest of us. (joke) But I don't particularly trust their "wisdom". It seems we always hear people like Jon Meacham with phrases like the "Framers in their Infinite Wisdom" or there is Doris Kearns Goodwin or Bechloss, just always fawning over the founding fathers. Who are these experts? Do we ever get to an impasse where we don't always hear about the wisdom of the founding fathers"? That they foresaw so many things, then why did they leave it so up to grabs? Of course dump the electoral college! The smaller states have a whole body of congress where they're equally represented called the Senate. How that's going to be done? I'm not sure but the wording is loose enough that there are ways to get around it. The allowances for things that happen, like a state reversing their electors? WTF is that about? Trump has pushed profiting from office beyond what I ever could have foreseen! Now he's just soaking his followers for money to irresponsibly create division that the election was a hoax? Bill Maher came up with a pretty good analogy about "Gus" a movie I didn't know anything about where a professional football team gets a mule to kick field goals! Just the fact that it wasn't ever stated in the nfl charter that players absolutely had to be human beings! And he uses it as an analogy against Trump, that he'll take advantage of any moral statute that isn't absolutely pinned down!.Now he's going to handout pardons to his partners in crime like Christmas gifts. But then you realize, nothings really pinned down! We see now this constitution is fragile as hell! It certainly a double standard about what entitles which party to claim they won a Presidential election. Republicans can lose by 10 million votes and eek out a one electoral vote victory and actually feel a sense of entitlement! That's just baked into the expectation that a Democrat will typically think they have to win "big enough" that the Republicans can't take it away . The Democrats should be able to win both electorally and in popular vote by 1 vote! Just imagine the deep sh-t we'd 'd be in right now if Biden won by 3 million instead of 7 million votes! We'd have riots and violence by the Trump cult, more guys in trucks with guns trying to run people off the road. We'd have people being killed! We'd have the more Trump zombie spammers like Wheeler misinforming his already egregiously misinformed lot and some of the more clever ones will work their lemmings into a frenzy! We have a sitting President who right out in front of us is still trying to engineer an American coup with first these Michigan representatives visiting the White House. Now the Supreme Court threw out his case when Trump tried to disallow 2.5 million mail in votes that had already been counted, So now Trump's trying to use the Pennsylvania legislature to not verify their state electors. So now the Republican speaker of the Pennsylvania house is in court right now trying to sue the electors in a case against against the serving Pennsylvania Governor and Secretary of State.! And he's still trying to throw out the vote in Wisconsin and still is trying to overturn the election! That Trump would try to bring the whole thing down that we, as a nation have spent 250 years working on. He's lost about every case in court. We'll be congratulating ourselves that the "system worked" but imagine if he wasn't so inept! Imagine if in his Presidency he didn't say something criminally stupid everyday? Imagine if he was actually smart, and had maybe his bombast but just an ounce of a typical politician's discretion about what to say in public! He was just too inept to be successful, so we still won't lay a hand on him for trying to subvert out Democracy? So the whole thing could happen again! At the end, I guess we forgive it just because Trumps so inept and so stupidly foolish just like we forgive Wheeler's cries of Revolution for the idea of Trump opening up the country on Easter Sunday, and Trumps cries of "liberate Michigan", "liberate Wisconsin". Just as we forgive all the hardcore Trump supporters because they never had a politician who relieved their boredom factor by being in the news everyday and dominating their everyday lives? Not I! Stop congratulating yourself for your constitution!! ***

You're a few months too late now Andre J. And in this case JFK didn't serve long enough to rate. IMO Sandy, I wouldn't argue about the top 3 in any order. Teddy and LBJ both were high in domestic policy with Teddy as a trust buster and the President most identified with the Progressive movement, and LBJ with Civil Rights and the Great society, but both were warmongers. And Teddy get more of a pass because he's more in the past. I remember when I was a Senior in Hhigh School looking at the top 10 great Presidents by historians and they rewarded imperialism and expansionism much more by including Jackson and Polk. We'll never know if FDR would have dropped the atomic bomb. He'll always be criticized for the Japanese internment, but Lincoln was very oppressive as well, and they were times of great crisis. But I'll never forgive Truman for letting the Cold war happen and Eisenhower for passively going along with it. Reagan will always get credit for the eventual fall of the Iron Curtain but the truth is, it fell in his lap with a new generation of Soviet leaders. Any president at that time, if he had any pulse and instinct, and wasn't a hardcore right wing dialogue, could have brought that about. But since this was brought on by evaluating Obama's performance.To capsulize my opinion , Obama does deserves credit for getting us out of the Great Recession, but he was in a position to extract more reforms including reinstating Glass Stiegall. The economic historical contingent of the Historians seem to buy the Wall Street excuse that if Obama had clamped down more on the banks that the Great Recession would have turned into a debacle greater than the Great Depression. I don't buy it, but I do think the recovery would have been a little slower, but more honest. To hear Wall Street tell it, they were bitchin' and moaning about how slow the recovery was for the last 6 years of Obama but they were bitching and laughing all the way to the bank. Of course, however much we can Monday morning quarterback Obama, and rush to judgment, well never really know. Internationally Obama did the Democrat dance trying to not look soft on wars the Republican President started and expanding the use of clones to minimize American deaths.I don't think it's anything more mysterious than that. Any escalation Obama would do would have been done in spades by a Republican President, and probably a few more incidents. The Obama administration has gained historically in hindsight and Clinton has lost.

I agree with Wheeler. To my Trump supporter friends in Georgia, I say the President is right! Don't participate in this election sham and these phony runoffs any further! Stop the steal!, don't further perpetuate it, or you'll only play into the hands of the Deep State Democrat regime!

Agreed W., We could have chosen to suck it up early and get everybody on the same prevention page, like several countries in Asia, but we were too stupid, lacked the discipline, and had too many American self experts like our President leading us to effectively doing almost nothing, and now we're waiting for the vaccine.. Of course there hasn't been time to gauge the long term effects. I hear they often occur within 6 months, so some of the earlier recipients in tests might show symptoms before some of us get the vaccine, if they were to get symptoms. Another thing people will say is that Pfizer and Moderna are absolved of all legal responsibility for after effects. I'm sure there will be endorsements from the politicians, the Faucci's, medical professionals, leaders of Industry, sports figures, artists ,musicians , movie stars. I'm not one to ask about vaccine conspiracies. I don't religiously get a flu shot every year, but I personally never had a reaction to any vaccine outside of the temporary soreness, though I'm content to wait my place in line a little while to see the reactions of others.

That Gullion is obviously an idiot. But as I have been saying for awhile is that the Trump conspiracy cultists can only harm and discredit the JFKA conspiracy movement. There will be endless false equivocation to lump all conspiracy theorists together and that can only dilute the message of the JFKA conspiracy. It's already happened.

I think Dennis has done a pretty good job at listing Obama low lights. Though I do agree with Cliff's initial statement that he Obama doesn't get credit for highlights. Obama missed his best chance at becoming a great President by not instituting financial reform after the Great Recession. When all the big bankers met with him, (and Geitner) they were expecting to be reprimanded much more than they were. It was the greatest financial debacle since the Great Depression in the 30's and the world kingpin of it was the U.S.banking system. Dennis said: "But Obama was always a Wall Street guy." Wall Street was bitchin' abut Obama for 8 years for the "slowest economic recovery in history", but the hole GW dug could have been catastrophic. Instead Wall Street took a couple of year hiatus, learned to game the new system and was bitchin all the way to the bank in Obama's last 6 years. Dennis said;, it's like crediting Bush for his "Mission accomplished" delusion. Actually Obama had much greater hopes and if he could of, would have gone for a "public option'. for a first step. But when he entered office he was left with a big campaign promise and saw that Reid and Pelosi were not making any progress in Congress, so he took the Mitt Romney Big Pharma Republican solution just like he did with Orrin Hatch's SCOTUS recommendation of Merrick Garland and thought naively in both cases "how could the Republicans possibly object?" Then he found out that after many years of Republican paying lip service about doing something about healthcare, It was just BS, and they never had any intention of ever doing anything, Dennis is right, he should have taken it to the American people. He should have made a pitch to the Gods at a time when the U.S. was down and desperate for solutions. .He ended up being the Jackie Robinson President. He was very aware of his place in history as the first black President and apprehensive about coming off too uppity because there would be a white backlash. I think I've put his judgment down on this more in the past, but the fact is now with Trump I've seen the white backlash. Trump is the white vote. I don't think he pushed hard enough on the ACA at the beginning. But when they talk about a "master politician". It is someone who knows what he can accomplish. But he left way too much on the table with the bankers, but in the end I don't know how much better deal he could have gotten on healthcare. The Republicans and the right wing media persecuted him so much on Obamacare, and eventually came within one vote of dismantling it. **** In response to Sandy's benefiting from the ACA. As one center right American Colombian expat who spent 5 years in the UK, on this expat forum I check out, and generally pisses me off, but surprised me one day when he said "Obama's was inexperienced, he had career as a community activist, I don't know what that means, but you've got to give him credit, I know several people who would have died if not for Obamacare."

Some people would pass off Mary Trump with a super major axe to grind, being finagled out of part of her fortune. Since she's a bit of a bonanza to the anti Trump MSM, she 's often baited in interviews to say what they want her to say.. But she doesn't give in and is very concise in her remarkable insights into her uncle, IMO. I would imagine you could pretty much tell one's attitude toward President Trump by if they've had any occasion to be curious enough to have caught either a TV/podcast interview or have a read an interview piece about Mary Trump. Yes Dave, I did see Peter Falk as what I assumed was a lame portrayal of Castro in the TWZ. Not only was it the worst thing I've ever seen Falk do, but was probably the most shameful episode of political propaganda I ever saw on the TWZ, at least as I recall!

I think Cliff has listed most of Obama's highlights, many of which he had the personal discretion to do as President without Congress.. But you shouldn't be surprised since this last election was a repudiation of the left, no matter how contradictory that really is to how people poll. Some people have been so intent on just removing Trump, they haven't realized it yet. To implement any of the things that a lot of us would want, Biden would just fall on his face. The only prayer he has lies in Georgia. Pelosi also blew it. As I said earlier , she should have taken the stimulus deal to help people in the short term. She incorrectly thought the Blue Wave would carry her forward. But the truth is, if that did happen, she could have done a stimulus 6 weeks ago and in February. Now she blew it, and doesn't look that sincere about it, because she passed it up. But of course the whole thing got down to Mitch Mac Connell . He had the power to stop everything, but at least the Democrats would have put the ball in his court and he would have to bare the blame. It looks from what he's saying now that Mc Connell would have played ball.

W.-You always cite that litany of stuff, which is no specific proof at all that Bush was at Dealey plaza Only that he had things to explain, that we never got around to hearing. Most of which I've believed for a long time. But I don't want to go into again. We've talked about this before. You can read my observations where I said all of this in the post that you were looking for than Ron produced that you of course started a couple of years back. I would say, I tend to agree with what Joe just said (minus Lansdale), plus probably what Jim Di, Larry Hancock, I would imagine would say about that theory because the controversy around that picture has gone on for a long time. If you read what I said earlier, you're going to convince very few people from that photo.

Wow! Is this thread is still going on? Did somebody call me? I see W. is positively ebullient at making his first convert to the "GWB in Dealey plaza" decades long theory with Locked down Brit Chris. But we're used to dealing with W's mood swings and his frailties and insecurities. But we all love him for it. He's sort of the forum "Frazier". heh heh heh Oh yes Chris, I've written"glowing things" of Bush in the past as anyone will tell you!. His new photo expert convert Chris owes his presence here to Donald Trump's winning the election in 2016. His biggest regret in life up to now is that Boris isn't more like Trump. Chris is on the prowl for greater and greater life enriching conspiracy experiences as I see now I have been added to his list of conspirators. Chris is relentless and won't be satisfied until his list of ongoing conspirators reaches at least half the population of the U.S.! (which of course explains the election results "hoax"!!) Heh heh Ok, maybe I'm not being completely fair. Chin up old boy! Laughter is good for the soul! Re: Bush in DP: Still I look to find a reason to believe. Tim Hardin

Myself as well. It started in the afternoon.

I remember in 2000, with Bush vs.Gore. It was the first opportunity for the average citizen to see how flawed the system can be. I was surprised that there were mutual agreements in states to throw out what amounts to 1000's of votes. The entire election came down to one state Florida, which the accepted final count was a difference of 537 votes. This is involving Pennsylvania where the official count shows Biden ahead by 160 times that amount! In fact everyone of Trumps contested states involve a Biden lead of at least 20 times that amount! If you believe Biden stole over 6 million votes to win the election, and yet let the Republicans 1) hold on to their state legislatures2) probably hold on to the Senate and 3) actually make gains in the house then yes Dennis, you are incredibly naive and gullible. You have a few choices in front of you If you believe such a sham could happen you might as well riot in the streets, but if you have a family or people to protect, be prepared to accept the consequences. If you're concerned about a more accurate election in the future, because you're chance is finished now, then be part of a movement to fund our elections so that every legal voter everyone has a fair chance to vote and there's some standardization that allows the tracing of all ballots, etc.. As I told a Brit here who claimed to be a "connoisseur" of the American election process, if enough people wanted more money appropriated for a better election process, I'm sure you could get the Democrats to vote for more money, but you won't get the Republicans because it's simply not in their interest. Having felt the sting of elections I didn't think we're completely fair and sucking it up. I find it revolting that we have to walk on eggshells because as some Republicans have said "the President is going to need some time to deal with losing". And I also find it revolting that somehow the nation owes it to coddle Trump culties over their grief. What I would say to them, I don't care about your feelings, or your pet conspiracies, or your titanic expectations gone awry. That's life!

Doesn't this show the willingness to accept anything as evidence that reinforces our bias? Agreed Sandy, not sure what Robert B. was trying to accomplish, there's no evidence here. Comparing George Bush's 1962 face to George Bush 1962 face? Why the reluctance to produce a comparison between the alleged superimposed George Bush 1962 and the face he superimposed it on?? Isn't that a further clue we're looking for? I don't accept Rob's photo either.

There are a lot of memes going on Dennis. because the hope of having any real conversation with you guys who claim massive conspiracy voter fraud is so hopeless, and absurd, but I'll try.. You know Dennis, you and couple of other guys here could benefit from actually attending a Poly/sci class at you Community College. I see from you some of your statements that you have good intentions, you express sympathy with FDR, you're hep to the decades long attempted marginalization to privatization scam of the USPS, though curiously silent by what Trump tried to do with his De Joy appointment. There was another such silly statement made here that Trump was the "best Democrat since FDR and JFK" that you also probably subscribe to. So you're like a sympathy to the working class and anti globalist guy? Trump is in the courts right now trying to remove the ACA during a pandemic. If Trump was successful, all those people would be dropped from their health care and would have no recourse because there would be no law automatically put in it's place. His payroll tax plan, if he was to get away with it, would effectively end social security by 2023! The working class people and maybe your parents have been depending on for 80 years now! As it stands now we have until 2029 to rework social security so those who've paid into it are assured of it's continuance. Not only is Trump the most pro corporate President in U.S. history, he represents the darkest schism of the corporate domination that existed before WWll, that want to obliterate the changes brought on by FDR's New Deal wholesale and now want to completely corporatize government, banish the safety net and let the great majority fend for themselves in sickness, disability and old age. His brand of capitalism is the most predatory. The most devoid of any real feeling to the common or working man or woman. The Republicans wish they had the Trump elixir of contradictions that set in motion their most Libertarian, laissez faire, deregulative and tax cutting public policies and still sell it as being somehow defiant of the elites and pro working class to their completely uninformed duped base. If Trump was representing the old policies of FDR's New Deal and JFK. Then why are the Republicans so spineless in raising any real objection to Trump, even in this late stage?? I'll tell you why. They were losing the demographic battle over many elections but now they have a voter base of people they would never associate with, and have no idea how they are going to hang on to when Trump is gone, but at least for now, can't afford the complete devastation of giving up. That's what's going on!

Cliff said: With the mail-in vote, Trump was outvoted 25 to 1 in black precincts in Detroit. No surprise there. Same with Milwaukee, Philly and ATL Wheeler :I'm a numbers guy!. Yeah and a complete moron on demographics nonstop for the last 3 weeks! Do you ever listen to anybody? It's been explained to you over and over again. This kind of "clustering" is common in voting maps. This isn't the lottery! It's not completely random and subject to probabilities! ******* Cliff said: House arrest. Deutsche Bank and the US Gov't will leave him with one golf course and he can wear an ankle bracelet. Ok, I could settle for that. But how about ankle bracelets on each ankle connected by a foot long chain. Some thing onerous that will effect his golf game!

No, that would be a crime.

As much as I would hope I'm wrong. I don't think Trump does a minute of jail time. I personally don't fear much the resistance of the Trump base,even in some of it's more hideous forms. But it's obviously not a good thing for a powerful nation to suppress a minority. I think that's where Biden is at. He knows he could do a lot to heal the wounds but he really needs money for programs of retraining, loans to get businesses back on track and a public works program restoring the infra structure. But if Mitch Mc Connell is still in control (which I suspect he will be) nothing on that scale is going to happen.