Andrej Stancak

John: I posted the head size data because some researchers want us to believe that a person sized 6' could have a head measuring only 7'' in height. These people do not even bother to measure their own heads. Perhaps, they are not able to do it because their own heads are also only 7'' and store microcephalic brains? In any case, the evidence for those people is "I say it and therefore it is a valid evidence". If you would ask for a source for their head size claims, you would receive none.

John: this issue has been discussed at length by Sandy and David Josephs and few other members on the famous "Oswald leaving ..." thread which is now buried among other old threads. It has to do with reading dimensions of a 3D object from a 2D picture which often leads to misinterpretations.

If I may intrude, Lee Oswald constantly behaved as a "spy in his own mind" in Bill Simpich's words. Lee's behaviour was a continuous string of deceptions. Eventually, this has made him vulnerable and somebody used his three-life profile to make him a patsy. Lee conferred to his mother that not even Marina knew why he went to Soviet Union. Marina did not know about Lee's visits to 544 Camp Street, his visit to Bringuire's shop and Lee's offer to train anti-Cubans in guerrilla wars, and she did not know about the termination of his job at Reilley's coffee company, or his trip to Jackson with David Ferry. Lee's deceptive behaviour was his trademark and the only real skill he had. Lee was an avid viewer of "I led three lives" which gave him a template for his life: to pretend to be a Communist, to have some contacts with intelligence, and to be a family man. This is what Philbrick did. Philbrick eventually broke his cover and testified against a communist cell, and this is most likely what Lee had in mind in the long run. When Lee returned from the Soviet Union, he was surprised that there were no newsmen there as he genuinely believed he played his Philbrick-like role well and deserved a credit. Lee behaved deceptively on the 22nd of November as well. His asking Givens about why people gather at the Plaza was a clever deception: at that time there allegedly were no people at Dealey Plaza. This scene does not have any sense unless one understands that Lee was always creating deceptions. One can interpret Lee's asking as the lack of any knowledge about Kennedy's motorcade (that would make him innocent), or as a callous attempt on his part to make himself unaware of a motorcade which Givens could prove later during the interrogations which Lee could have anticipated. Lee disappeared from the Depository within a very short time (3 minutes?), not even waiting what people have to say about what happened to the President. He went to the Texas Theater but he went first to his rooming house to take his gun. Is it normal to go to the cinema with a gun? Lee offered a lady the taxi cab which made him look being in no hurry, however, he asked the driver to drop him off a block past his rooming house. Is this a normal behaviour? I could continue on and on describing Lee's petty deceptions which made him feel to be a spy. And he was a spy, a spy in his own mind. Marina had also conferred that Lee was full of secrets. Thus, not telling Marina about Presidential motorcade passing the depository is not a surprise.

Governor John Connally is deeply concerned about something in both these pictures, indeed. His emotional expression contrasts with the happy mood of the President and the First Lady. His alleged exclamation to the effect "My God, they are going to kill us all" during the shooting can also be interpreted in the sense that he was worried about the mortal danger to the President but not to himself earlier at Love Fields. This had changed suddenly to the realisation that he also might have been targetted.

I guess that Paz has already asked the question if Mayor Earle Cabell had played any role in planning and approving the motorcade route. In his phone call with Chief Curry during the time when Lee Oswald was led for his execution, Cabell discussed with Curry a torch parade on that night. If Cabell was involved in planning/approving a parade to commemorate President Kennedy, didn't he also take part in approving the motorcade route?

It is still worthy to revise some basic facts which alone provide a good hint how tall Prayer Man was. Since we know Mr. Frazier's body height (6' - 6' 1/2') we can roughly estimate Prayer Man's height by subtracting from Mr. Frazier's height 10 inches. Why 10 inches? This is because the top of Prayer Man's head aligns with the horizontal line crossing Mr. Frazier's shoulder line, and in the specific view of Darnell, also the lowest point of his head. The following table was extracted from Wikipedia. It shows the vertical sizes of human heads for males and females of different body heights. The right-hand table refers to inches, the left-hand panel gives the same in cm. The green column in the centre of the table corresponds to people with an average body height, and the values to the right to the tall people. Adapted from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_head

Linda: I have nothing else but the highest admiration for your work and understand well the effort and the states you went through while searching for both ladies. I also appreciate your investments into the memberships in various platforms. Your findings could not be brought to the daylight without the commitment you showed. If it were possible to retrieve the pictures of both ladies just by googling them, they would be already displayed. Your discoveries are essential as without having pictures of both ladies. It is not relevant that somebody else watched and posted Mrs. Stanton's photograph without first asking you. As far as the picture of Mrs. Stanton displayed by the other person, I viewed it and found out was buried in a swamp of pathological, hateful, ridiculous and imbecile statements. Back to your pictures. I think you were successful in finding Mrs. Stanton's pictures, one from her childhood, one when she was young (maybe in her twentieth?). The child and the lady in the right-hand side picture of the double picture appear to be the same persons. Mrs. Stanton photographed with her son is the same person as the lady in the right-hand panel. It is difficult to recognise, however, Mrs. Stanton wore glasses, both in the double picture and in the picture showing her with her son. The picture when she is photographed with her son was taken when she was already older, maybe even retired. However, please have a look on the chin, on the back seated mouth, constant smile, and importantly, the curve of her hair on the right side of her face. So, your work was more than successful, and a big thanks go your way.

Well, the point is that Pauline Saunders which Linda and Bart introduced in this thread stands at her spot in the east part of the doorway in Darnell, and at the same time, Prayer Man is seen at his usual spot. So, why overlaying this short lady (Pauline Saunders) over Prayer Man if it was impossible for her to be Prayer Man, just because she stands somewhere else?

The mannequin of Prayer Man had an inseam at 49% of his body height which is an average inseam height in male population (I checked a few weeks ago). This inseam height was suggested by Poser and I just accepted it because I was focusing on the remaining 14 human figures. I did not try to extend the mannequin's legs to make him Prayer Man, I worked with the model and legs suggested by Poser. The figure you disliked showed Prayer Man only for comparison purposes - the article as such was about Mrs. Stanton and Mrs. Sanders, not about Prayer Man. Actually, the creation of a Prayer Man model with proper height estimates etc. was further down the list of my tasks. However, the height of inseam and therefore the leg length has nothing to do with the overall body height of the mannequin/Prayer Man - it was 5'9'' irrespective of inseam height. The Prayer Man mannequin is currently being remodeled to one exactly matching Oswald's body proportions and fitted to Prayer Man locations. Actually, I have already done it and found the match excellent, better than the match obtained with a mannequin having inseam at 49%. Unfortunately, I am stuck with this project due to my academic duties such as marking and writing a grant proposal and cannot complete this work as quickly as I would wish. This modeling work requires full concentration. Other mannequins in my doorway model were also not accurate but no one seemed to be concerned or considered these inaccuracies as my intention to lie. For instance, Lovelady's figure in my doorway model was only approximate, Mr. Williams's model had a too a large upper arm, etc. We have now two new women, discovered by Linda, who need to be incorporated into the revised model as well. My model showed both these ladies, however, their newly discovered photographs allow to model them in a detailed way. Making the details is what costs a lot of time and effort. The 3D project is in development and therefore revisions will be made regularly to get to the bottom of the problems. Did Prayer Man's model have his legs too long? Fine, I can fix it. Actually, I made quite some work on this Forum to understand better Lee Oswald's posture, and to make his model as perfect as possible. I did not try to mislead or lie to anyone. I am also not insulting or attacking anyone in the process.

Linda posted another of her discoveries on Find A Grave, this time on Mrs. Sarah Stanton: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/152413470/sarah-juanita-stanton#view-photo=170506335 Linda was not sure if the two pictures referred to Sarah or Sarah's sister Wanda, or each of two pictures to one of the sisters. The lady in the right-hand picture seems to wear glasses which causes her eyes not having the right shape. I have compared the lady in the right-hand picture with a lady seen in Willis 8. The lady is chatting with a man in a white shirt and is tall enough to be able to see over his shoulder. The facial features of Willis8 lady and the lady which Linda tentatively identified as possibly Mrs. Stanton are remarkably similar - the haircut, the backward positioned mouth, protruding chin and eyes covered with a rounded area which could be sunglasses. The partial face of a person which I think can be seen in Altgens6 (top right) would match this lady's forehead and the overall body height. If the lady in Willis8 is the same lady as Linda showed in Find A Grave, we know how Mrs. Stanton was dressed on that fateful Friday, her body height and her facial features. The lady in Find A Grave pictures and the Willis8 lady both show a big smile. This is a bit surprising in the Willis picture which was taken during the time when people already knew that the President has been shot.

Linda: If Mrs. Sanders and the highlighted person seen in the eastern part of the doorway in Darnell are one and the same person, then this person could only stand on the top landing, very close to the glass window, exactly as Mrs. Sanders had testified. I did some height estimates for this person and my analysis suggests that she was about 5' or 4'11''. You can find details of my height analysis on http://thejfktruthmatters.worpress.com (January 31). Actually, the bottom of the three pictures showing Mrs. Saunders puts her as the second smallest person in the back row, suggesting that she was shorter than an average woman in her age category.

What an important find, and a good piece of detective work by Linda. Mrs. Sanders had a short hair and looking like a boy's hair cut (top picture in Bart's post) which is also seen in Darnell still. http://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com

Thanks, John. I appreciate your interest. I will resume posting when I have the doorway model fitted with the "new" mannequin which is based fully on Lee Oswald's body proportions. In the meantime, I am enjoying reading posts in several very interesting threads on this Forum . I wish you the best of luck with your analyses.

Chris: My intention with that doorway was not to be accurate. This was an approximate arrangement of columns to show that Prayer Man on the second step could not reach where he was shown in the post accusing me of a fraud. The blocks do not stand on the positions as they should in Darnell, the boxes should not be boxes because a box has a different depth than the head and is not rounded, and the view angle was only approximate. Sorry, but I will not develop anything around this example. You are wasting your time and I will not respond to this doorway model anymore.

Chris: the doorway you overlayed is not my doorway. The doorway dimensions on the downloaded doorway are not correct. It is not my business to correct them. What the example shows is that when you draw columns of 6', 5''9'' and 5'2'', there will be a reproducible relationship between the columns such that the two shorter columns will match the line corresponding to the lower edge of the head on the tall column. The downloaded model is not suitable for an overlay of the kind you show. I will not spend any time on the downloaded doorway, sorry.

I have now checked your downloaded model and did what my own model does. The height of the step in the downloaded model is 0.5 cm smaller compared to real measurements, however, this is a small difference. I have placed a person 5'2'' on the top landing (pink), another person 5'9'' on the second step (green) and Mr. Frazier as a white column (6'05''). The red rectangle on the while column corresponds to the size of Mr. Frazier head. The doorway is shown from approximate Darnell's perspective. The camera field of view needs to be on 16. Where do you see any problem, any difference compared to my analyses? Please confirm that you can or cannot replicate what I have done with the downloaded model. Please note that if you draw a horizontal line through the bottom of the red square you meet the top edges of the two other columns.

Can you measure the height of the step - it needs to be 7 1/8''. Please place a 5'9'' column on the second step and a 5'2'' column on the top landing, and please keep the 6' one at Mr. Frazier's location. Then please show. It does not matter that you cannot make humans (this takes the most of time). You can indicate using colour ) about 9'' 6/10 (or just 10'') as a square on the 6' column - this would correspond to Mr. Frazier's head. I wish that you stop accusing me of frauds immediately. These are serious accusations and you need to have a solid proof before saying it to the whole board. I expect your apologies. This cannot continue as if nothing happened.

Actually, I have already posted the new James Poser mannequin with shorter legs (only about 1/2 inch longer than the very final version achieved in collaboration with Chris) in one of my previous posts. It is the last post with series of graded overlays. The new mannequin with short legs matched Prayer Man very well. To avoid any arguments about leg size in future and to save any revision work, I waited until the James Poser model settled down. Chris approved it about two days ago, and I still wished to check if the final James Poser model would fit Lee Oswald's body in some other picture, which I did yesterday. You need to wait to see James Poser in Sketchup which is maybe what you are asking for. This is a lengthy process and I will post results when I am satisfied with the Sketchup model. To explain, I need to reduce the number of triangles as Sketchup cannot handle a large number of triangles exported from Poser 11.1, and this step alone takes quite a lot of time. Then, I need to change colours manually in small patches using a brush tool. The most difficult part though is sculpting the figure using Artisan4Sketchup to achieve the best match of the mannequin's head with Lee Oswald's head. It is similar to sculpting in clay. I am not sure you understand how much work this process entails, however, I hope you trust that after working on this project for almost three years I would not give up the opportunity to place an as-accurate-as-possible model of Lee Oswald into the doorway for the first time. I would appreciate if you would reconsider your style of posting which is becoming increasingly personal. Why don't you make a blog and write down your ideas or your findings? It may help you to find a balance and be absorbed by projects which have some value. For the rest of us, it would allow us to understand your ideas and your work.

John: the little I know about Billy Lovelady's location in Wiegman film tells me that he stood close to the central railing and that area would be covered by shadow maybe at some 5 PM on that fateful day. Wiegman film is all right, no tampering in my opinion.

The height of Prayer Man cannot be over 5'2'' (should he stand on the top landing) or over 5'9'' (should he stand on the second step) because the top of Prayer Man's head in such case would exceed the shoulder/chin line in Mr. Frazier's figure. I have listed the constraints and landmarks which can be used to identify Prayer Man's location and body height in my 2016 post (Figure 2): https://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com/2016/04/19/prayer-man-in-darnells-film/ I will address the problem of Prayer Man's body height again using a realistic doorway model (and also a new Lee Oswald's mannequin) which measures were not available to me at that time.

Let us look at early childhood photographs depicting Lee Oswald's stance. I browsed Robert Groden's book: The Search For Lee Harvey Oswald (Penguin Studio Books, New York, 1995) to locate Lee's child photographs. The picture below (page 5 in Groden's book) shows little Lee holding a catch while on a fishing trip. Lee could have been 3 or 4 years old. The following details of Lee's stance are of interest: Lee stood with his right foot backward and his right foot is rotated slightly outward compared to his left foot which points straight forward. His weight rests predominantly on his right foot causing slight arching of his body toward his right. Please note his unusually long forearm. Lee's figure was retouched from the waist below, perhaps to create an illusion that he wore pants to avoid some embarrassment from the fact that he was naked. The next picture with little Lee shows him on the yard of the Ridgley West Elementary School (page 9 in Robert Groden's book). Lee seems to have his right leg slightly backward, his hips tilted slightly towards his right, his torso leaning slightly backward, his right shoulder maybe dropped a bit. Interestingly, Lee's left hand appears to be in approximate Prayer Man posture.

To validate James Poser's body proportions, I have adjusted his posture to match young Lee Oswald. While I was mostly interested in seeing if James would match Lee Oswald in another photograph in such landmarks as the height of inseam, the height of the head and neck and the length of the arms, the model also provides some insights into how Lee Oswald used to stand. The figure below is young Lee photographed on a sunny day (the left-most panel) and James Poser adjusted to match Lee's body (the right-most panel). The panels in between of these two panels are overlays of the two images at blending rate of 30% and 50%. After seeing what I hope is a very good match, James was rotated in different directions to check what would his stance look like from other angles. The figure shows a top view, top-left view, and top-front view. It is interesting to see that Lee stood, when offered to pose for a picture and assumed his natural stance, with his right foot backward and rested his body weight on his right foot. The right-most panel shows James (in Lee's pose) from approximate Darnell's view. There are remarkable similarities of this stance with the one Prayer Man shows in Darnell: the right foot is backward, the body torso is tilted towards his right, the right shoulder is dropped, and his head slightly tilted towards his right. Give James steps and he will drop his right foot on the lower step to get even more support. His right foot was his pivot. The way we stand is our signature. It refers to a motor program stored in subcortical structures within our brains and unless volition is employed to overcome these motor programs, we tend to show the same style. My point is that the pose displayed by young Lee Oswald is his typical pose. Cannot help myself, who else from the Depository employees besides Lee Oswald would stand the way Prayer Man did?

John: Sarah Stanton, like other doorway occupants, changed her location across films and Altgens6 picture. In Darnell, she stood just behind Mr. Shelley's right shoulder. I have dressed her in a white shirt in my reconstruction, however, this I cannot know or confirm. Mrs. Stanton might have her right forearm raised in Darnell's still which I can depict in the next revision.