Michael Walton

That photo which I posted many months ago shows the shadow of eyeglasses being worn. They could have been eyeglasses or sunglasses and that alone proves nothing. But the guy walking past the tramps does appear to be wearing glasses based on the shadow.

It's all a sham, a fairy tale. Jim (John?) continues to say that we don't understand the evidence when we do. Parker boiled the numbers down on the school records and they match up perfectly. I showed that the NO and NYC records reconcile when they say previous schools were one or the other. Jeremy has shown plenty of evidence to rebut the fantasy of learning Russian. Jim (John?) and Sandy are trying to shove a round peg into a square hole. Jim (John?) desperately continues to post here throwing more papers and words up on the wall and hoping they will stick, all in the hopes of winning over converts so suckers (like Larsen?) will buy his $60 waste-of-paper book. The only other lone voice left is the cold and calculating evidence man who's still on the fence about the case and who brags that he goes by the book and only the facts please. Could you trust the thought process of a man who says he saw one of the old guys up on the knoll brandishing a black pistol during the murder, then says he was only joking? If he saw a black pistol in the old guy's hand, is it any wonder that he keeps flailing away here as well, saying we don't understand the evidence, as if he has some superior mind and everyone else are retards? Yet, he continues to post here, saying we're all wrong and don't understand anything and yet, the cold and calculating evidence man is alway right. http://www.polaroidland.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/MoormanPolaroid1.jpg

It's all a sham, a fairy tale. Jim (John?) continues to say that we don't understand the evidence when we do. Parker boiled the numbers down on the school records and they match up perfectly. I showed that the NO and NYC records reconcile when they say previous schools were one or the other. Jeremy has shown plenty of evidence to rebut the fantasy of learning Russian. Jim (John?) and Sandy are trying to shove a round peg into a square hole. Jim (John?) desperately continues to post here throwing more papers and words up on the wall and hoping they will stick, all in the hopes of winning over converts so suckers (like Larsen?) will buy his $60 waste-of-paper book. The only other lone voice left is the cold and calculating evidence man who's still on the fence about the case and who brags that he goes by the book and only the facts please. Could you trust the thought process of a man who says he saw one of the old guys up on the knoll brandishing a black pistol during the murder, then says he was only joking? If he saw a black pistol in the old guy's hand, is it any wonder that he keeps flailing away here as well, saying we don't understand the evidence, as if he has some superior mind and everyone else are retards? Yet, he continues to post here, saying we're all wrong and don't understand anything and yet, the cold and calculating evidence man is alway right. http://www.polaroidland.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/MoormanPolaroid1.jpg

I'll just never be able to understand how Larsen prides himself on being a cold calculating by the book evidence man that when real solid evidence is brought forth like Parker did he calls it nonsense and it proves nothing. Meanwhile he also claims he's on the fence about this entire case. He claims he's still studying and making a decision. Talk about a mass of contridictions. This is probably why such a person who claims he posseses superior intelligence and is clear eyed claimed many months ago he saw one of the old guys up on the knoll brandishing a pistol in his hand as Kennedy's head blew up. You read that right. When I called him out on it he claimed he was only joking.

Greg Parker puts the final nail in the coffin in the "two Oswalds attending schools in NO and NYC" silliness that Armstrong (masquerading as Hargrove?) is passing on as a real-life event. Jeremy and others have posted more than enough proof that this story is nothing but a fairy tale.

Jim - you have to share a file on Drive before you post it. Watch this especially at the 1:40 mark:

My thoughts exactly, Tracy Parnell. The Texas Monthly article quote I posted above when the reporter interviewed Armstrong way back in 1998 about this crazy story also says pretty much the same thing - totally implausible and does not pass the smell test. Like you said, too, people are going to believe what they want. Just like my brother-in-law believed that when you throw the REC switch on a car's AC system, it turns on a magical second motor causing the air to get ice cold. No amount of reasoning or explaining could get him to change his mind that this was not true.

Mathis, what exactly are you trying to learn here? You seem to be all over the place, curious about Russian, Oswald's language capabilities, then you delve into Webster. What exactly are you trying to learn here? Instead of getting into the minutiae of this crazy story, you may want to step back and just ask yourself if this whole caper passes the smell test, which it obviously does not.

Ray - what is your point? I took that same oath when I worked for the government years ago. And yes, I can honestly say that I did honest work while there. But just because they take an oath doesn't mean everyone does honest work there. Tell me, Hoover was the top man at the FBI. Do you really think he upheld his duties faithfully when he kept his scandal files on people? Or how about when he tried to get King to commit suicide?

Brilliant, Jeremy. Congratulations. But as is the case, there'll be more quoted text, pictures and the usual Whack A Mole from Jim. And neither he nor his converts ever bothered to explain the school record "what are the odds" comparison I posted earlier. That's par for the course here.

Green is wrong about American Gangster. He makes it sound like the heroin smuggled in coffins was eliminated from the film once directors were changed. It wasn't and it's clearly depicted in the film.

This is the last post I'm putting on this. I thought this post had thankfully died out but somehow it was revived. And when I saw Jim continuing to post the same old phony nonsense, I got the itch to post again. But this thread - this whole forum as a matter of fact - is basically a "we said/they said" argument with no real conclusions. People who believe in anything and everything about this case - from painted in blobs on the films to this Oswald clone at 13 years old nonsense - are going to continue to believe, while others who try to go by reliable evidence and "does it pass the smell test" are going to believe in what they want. So in summary... The school records. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Hr9Lrku-CxcDRQald1OGlnRGc/view A single Oswald from two different periods, not a clone (animated GIF let it load). https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Hr9Lrku-CxdS03TDM3dFJ1aGM/view Stop using Sylvia, Jim. It's dishonest of you. Yes, there were imposters around in early '63 trying to make memorable moments of Oswald. That's what she meant and what any rational and serious researcher knows. It does not mean a clone from back in 1953. And finally, from Texas Monthly way back in 1998. I couldn't have said it better: "The theory is so implausible that its popularity now might be taken as a sign that conspiracy research has at last hit a dead end. It’s one thing to believe that Oswald was involved in a plot; it’s another to believe that the plot began when he was thirteen. Who could believe this stuff and why? " The absolute best theory - one with a lot of good potential - is the Oswald in the Doorway one. But as is the case around here, even there the crazies come out ripping it up and then walk away with a smirk without realizing its true merits. Then they turn around and continue to fall for the clone silliness.

To get the thread back on topic, Pat Speer wrote an insightful article on McAdams. I also vaguely recall somewhere (it may even be on Speer's website) where at one point on McAdams's site or whatever it is, some CIA recruitment ads would pop up on it. They weren't there because JM put them there but they were filtered onto it based on keywords and so forth. http://www.patspeer.com/the-gospel-according-to-john-mcadams As Bauer says above, that's always been my impression of JM - he has always existed to debunk CTers' claims, to push the official narrative front and center, all with a healthy dose of assholery.

Michael, Chris, Mathias, I will try to make it a simple task for you and others to clearly see that Oswald attended two different schools simultaneously during the Fall semester of his 8th grade school year, 1953/54. Following are what the two school records indicate: Public School #44, New York City 8th Grade, Fall Semester Days Present: 62 + 5 half days Days Absent: 3 + 8 half days Times Late (Tardy): 1 Total Days of School = 62 + 5 + 3 +8 = 78 days This information is highlighted in yellow in the upper school record, below. Beauregard Junior High School, New York City 8th Grade, Fall Semester Days Present: 89 days Days Absent: 1 day Tardy: 0 Total Days of School = 89 + 1 = 90 days This information is highlighted in yellow in the lower school record, below. Comments I encourage each of you to confirm that what I have written above accurately portrays what is indicated in the two school records. Having done that, there should be no question in your minds that the records do indeed show Oswald attending two schools, located in two different states, at the same time for a period of one semester. To zoom in on a document, right-click the image and select View Image. Then hold the CTRL keyboard button down while pressing the + key several times. The Oswald in New York City had a full class schedule, whereas the one in New Orleans took only two classes (General Science and Physical Education). I would guess that either this Oswald had a part time job, or was supervised by a mother who couldn't persuade or force him to take more classesl. School Record: Public School #44, New York City The yellow highlighted row indicates Oswald's attendance during his 8th grade Fall semester (fall 1953). His classes and scores for that semester are given in the right-most column in the middle third of the page. School Record: Beauregard Junior High School, New Orleans The yellow highlighted row indicates Oswald's classes, scores, and attendance during his 8th grade Fall semester (fall 1953). (The second row shows the same for the Winter semester. The third row shows the totals for the full 8th grade school year.) ------------------------------------------------------------------- To clarify the NYC school was called #44, right? If I'm reading the above correctly there was actually a Beauregard high school in NYC too with the exact same name as well as one in NO? Because listed above you have: Public School #44, New York City 8th Grade, Fall Semester and then... Beauregard Junior High School, New York City 8th Grade, Fall Semester *** Jim, we ARE talking about the evidence. One piece of your "evidence" that's already been debunked is how you are twisting Sylvia M's evidence that she wrote 50 years ago to prove that someone was setting Oswald up by having someone go around making outrageous claims, and you're twisting and turning this evidence to say, "See, here's more proof of the Harvey and Lee [fantasy]." It's disingenuous and extremely dishonest of you to do this because this is NOT what she means. And I would bet my life on it that this is NOT what she meant. You're also taking photos of the one and only Oswald and saying, "See, this is the clone." I've already proven way back up in this thread that many of the head and facial features of the so-called clone - when you superimpose them - match up, including the hair line, the curled ears, and the nose. You seem to think that a younger Oswald who filled out and put on a little weight while in the Marines and the later Oswald who got a little older and was not eating as much suddenly morph into two different people. That's not evidence but supposition. So why is my "evidence" to prove there was only one Oswald always wrong and your evidence to support this fantastical story always right?

I dare anyone to say that the photo Hargrove posted is not the one and only Lee Oswald. If Hargrove is trying to claim that the person in the photo is a clone then he truly is demented.

Now why is it when I point stuff out I get no credit and when others do Chris Newton gives *that* person credit? Go figure....

Agreed. The level of anger here is hard to take. Have any of these naysayers actually read Harvey and Lee? Jim it is very admirable of you to continue to support this evidence with so many posters attacking you. Dawn ------------------------ It's the fairy tale Dawn. Jim or me or Sandy or anyone on here could possibly be the nicest people in the world. But it's the STORY that's being attacked. It's ridiculous to think that an Oswald clone was running around in the exact same places as Lee Oswald. Why not have the clone in California while Oswald was in NYC? Or when Oswald was in TX what are the odds of the clone being in NYC like Oswald was years months previously or afterward? This whole case brings out the worst in people because they can't get over the fact that although there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy it had to be some all encompassing incredibly convoluted fairy tale with blobs of paint painted into all of the films, an assassination headquarters down in the basement of Ruby's nightclub, microphones painted out of photos when Oswald was killed but not in others, the body being whisked away the minute Air Force One landed at Andrews and, yes, the most goofy story of all - this one. At least for the most part the Lone Nutters are consistent with their story line. Did YOU even bother to read above, where Hargrove is basically taking one of the better researchers (Meagher) and spinning her Oswald double writings and using THAT to say "Yep, there's the Harvey and Lee proof?" It's outrageous that he would do that. Instead of cheering him on, do you not see how dishonest that is, to take a credible researcher's work and twisting it to fit this crazy story? Who would you rather believe - Meagher or Hargrove?

JEREMY - It doesn't matter how many years this teaching had been going on by the time Jim's hypothetical refugee child reached grade 5 at his school in Hungary. The point is that there was a period of only two years between the time the hypothetical child could have begun learning Russian and the time when the hypothetical child appears in New York with the name of Lee Harvey Oswald and the ability to speak perfect English. If the hypothetical boy existed, he must have learned two foreign languages, Russian and English, to the level of a native speaker in just two years. But Jeremy, don't you know? Sandy Larsen has EVIDENCE - you know, that's all he goes by - that children can learn things much, much faster than adults. So you cannot ever question Sandy Larsen's (ahem...snort) EV-I-DENCE. You, know, because, er, he only goes by...the EV-I-DENCE. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcs5z4gyRH1r4ekn1o9_250.gif What a xxxxing joke!

Johnny said it best. This whole clone story is a disgraceful myth, a fairy tale. And I love the way his quote talks about how myths are pie in the sky, unrealistic capers that keep getting hammered on over and over again as Hargrove and his mentor do, and as people like Larsen and others continue to fall for. https://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/09/5b/74/095b74a39c0f7838d529f1f822a47860.jpg https://media.giphy.com/media/NZOlQHWccBfYA/giphy.gif

Jim I'm as happy as can be in this pretty xxxxty world we live in. As for anger you can call it whatever you want. But it's mainly frustration at how you and others spread falsehoods all in the name of Kennedy's memory. I think what you and others like you do is disgraceful.

More than fifty years ago, Sylvia Meagher published her ... OMG! Oh, this is outstanding, Jim. You've just hit it out of the park by confirming exactly what I said above. You're now taking what Sylvia Meagher wrote and projecting it onto Armstrong's clone fairy tale. Did you really think you'd be able to sneak this by knowledgable readers on this forum? Of course Sylvia said there were "doubles" but not ones running around as kids way back in 1953, not ones with a unibrowed and happy Mom. I, like she and other serious researchers, believe that there were impostors (NOT clones) running around in mid-63 doing stuff memorable (like the car dealership incident) so that when 11/22 came around, people would say, "Oh, yeah...I vaguely remember that guy [LHO] at such and such time doing something outrageous." There is too much evidence to prove otherwise that the goal was to make Oswald look like a crazed Communist. But Sylvia did NOT mean that there was a Hungarian kid who looked exactly like the US born Lee Oswald who was found and then living a parallel life like LHO. Jesus - this takes the cake even for you, Jim.

Wow, so now Sandy Larsen is a language expert. Ironically, he says that kids learn languages faster than adults, then contradicts himself when he asks how long does it take a kid to learn Dickens? As if comparing that apple with an orange will prove...what? What a joke. *** As is usually the case here on this forum, whenever a member posts a rebuttal of another "researcher's" pet theory, the normal modus operandi is to either ignore or post long passages of text from testimony and whatnot. The biggest problem with this is that just because a word or phrase is found in the available record, "researchers" then project this word or phrase onto their pet theory. There's no evidence - at all - that this Oswald double and his unibrowed "sad" Mom - each bearing an unbelievably striking resemblance to the real US born Oswald and his Mom - ever existed. When you boil this crazy theory - and many other silly ones as well - down to the essence of it all, the next question is - who really cares? Even if there was an Oswald clone - or three or four - what does it matter? If we are to believe there was a conspiracy to murder Kennedy, there is plenty of solid evidence elsewhere to prove the conspiracy. One is even what Oswald - or was it his clone (LOL) - knew he was being framed when he was caught saying in front of reporters that he was a patsy. You can take it to the bank that he knew, from the time he was dragged from the theater kicking and screaming until he says the word "patsy" that it had dawned on him that the jig was up. Yet, the silliness continues. You'd think the people who planned this murder out had superhuman powers when they: - Had the assassin's clone running around 10 whole years before the assassination; - Had the ability to alter every single piece of film and photo evidence taken during the murder; - Had a Jack Ruby impostor murder Oswald A or B in the Dallas parking garage; - Faked photos of the above when they removed a hanging microphone in some photos but not in others; - Had an assassination headquarters in the basement of Ruby (or *his* clone's) nightclub; - Whisked Kennedy's body from the back of Air Force One to perform pre-autopsy surgery on his body; - But these same supermen, when putting his body back into the coffin, put him in a different body bag (oops) People who fall for this xxxx have no ability to distinguish truth from fiction and silliness. Not to bring up today's toxic political environment, but it's like "researchers" here will believe *anything* you tell them without batting an eyelash.

Jim you said you have new info above. What do you mean by that?

Just my IMO but I think you both have valid points. The photo may have been taken a little higher up than my illustration: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Hr9Lrku-Cxdm9ZalJTSWU3cms/view One thing that sways me in my illustration is the leathery lined section in the open head photo. I believe that looks like the back of his neck and you can also see those lines in the photo that shows the back of the head with his matted hair laying over the wound (the same photo I used in the illustration). I also happen to believe that there was a tangential wound from the front that hit in the temple area and slice through his head and came out the back, hence, that rounded beveled hole you see in the illustration above. If it did happen that way, it'd be amazing to find just where in the hell that bullet went when it came out. I know this is all speculation from all of us of course, but as you may have seen in that video i posted where it shows a guy's head flying backward from a frontal shot, somewhere along the way a shot hit JFK from the front pushing his head backward like in the Z film.

Micah and Sandy - so what is your own personal interpretation of the photo? Micah - please don't post endless testimony and clips of text. Just what do you personally think the photo shows in your own words? And Sandy?