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    NATO's Secret Armies, Operation Gladio and JFK

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    We have taken the side os the Sunni Muslims against the Shia Muslims

    That is my take.

    Muhammed destroyed the pagan establishment, in favor of the tradidition of Abraham.

    When he died, his authority was soon split between worshipers of men; Ali Ibn Abu Talib and Ghadir Khumm.

    In an historical instant, Muhammad freed men from Paganism, and landed them, upon his death, in the hands of mortals.

    Muhammed was not, nor did he claim to be, immortal.

    We have decided to destroy Shias.

    NATO's Secret Armies, Operation Gladio and JFK

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    2 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

    Rob,

           He was assigned by his boss, Ed Lansdale, to fly on a Congressional mission to Antarctica during JFK's assassination, and ...

     

    Landsdale quit in early November, (11-1 I believe), 1963

    The Congressional trip, to which you refer, was the Honolulu conference, I believe.

     

    The challenge to and for researchers: Bill Simpich

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    13 hours ago, David Josephs said:

    FWIW....  I’ve been going thru the recent release and adding detailed notes to each document I view....  over 4000 done so far, concentrating on the records with no date or source....  when finished maybe I can add the index to Poage Baylor.

    Hi David,

    Can you tell us more about Poage Baylor? The first theat I recall hearing of it is in the Simpich article.

    The challenge to and for researchers: Bill Simpich

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    On 7/24/2019 at 10:33 PM, Stephanie Goldberg said:

    Agreed.  It's too bad that I don't live near any of these places to help with scanning/transcribing/getting things online.  That would be a very worthwhile endeavor.

    I understand that feeling. But I am going to move beyond that. I am going to find out what I can do. I need to shift gears a bit, consider efficiency and avoid a duplication of efforts. Sharing and collaboration are critical. I’ll be clear, here, that I am looking for tasks and would like to see a collection, a clearinghouse house of accomplishable tasks. Bill Simpich gave a few specific things that can be done in the posted article. Perhaps one of those tasks or something else will turn-out to be something I can put on my plate.

    As I dig into the documents, specifically the cryptonyms, now, I see I am turning-over stones that have alepready been turned-over; and the inefficiency is becoming frustrating and the diminishing returns are a bit discouraging. My interest in Location Codes is, or appears to be, a less beaten path, closer to fearing fruit, and quite interesting to me. 

    I do love doing it. Finding nuggets is addictive and exhilarating.

    Michael Paine, Oswald lookalike?

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    To be sure, Michael Paine seems to be well-placed at the time of the assassination. He was at work (Bell?). 

    Our main LHO impersonator is a character for whom we have a rough personality sketch, as gleaned from several encounters (furniture mart, barber shop, perhaps others). He was more excitable and gruff, possibly aggressive.

    I don’t think Michael was in the theater, not by a long-shot. Nor do I think he played a part in any of the LHO impersonation scenarios. What I do think is that we are seeing, in LHO, some blood connection to the family or family lines of the Paines. Perhaps he was some bastard child who had hopes of rehabilitation into the family. A pauper-come-prince? A once and future Forbe?

    I have, since delving back into this, felt that there may be a struggle going on to restore or dynastic, royal, legitimacy, or add new bloodlines to a crypto-power structure and elite “New World Order”. This would be a movement that would cross ideological and political  boundaries and would undermine both of the main antagonists of the Cold War. What was George DeMohreschildt doing in Dallas, in 1963?

    I also see some hereditary traits in some of the players like, Ruth and Michael, Dulles, Helms and others. I am thinking of Mandibular Prognathism, also known as the Hapsburg Jaw, which is a result of inbreeding along family lines (this is disputed but I believe it is true).

    The challenge to and for researchers: Bill Simpich

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    Hi Stephanie, I think that what I realized from this is that we can kick around theories all day, read great stuff that has been around for a while or stare at photos until we see something; but, there is a lot of work to be done, discoveries to be made by doing that work and an urgency to get it done. It’s going to be hard to motivate research by the coming generation, having been twice removed from living through it.

    The challenge to and for researchers: Bill Simpich

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    from the above story:

    @Stephanie Goldberg I thought this might interest you.

     

    Documents Need To Be Accessible and Searchable

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    The biggest problem is to digest and analyze the documents that we now have. The MFF (Mary Ferrell Foundation) site has the documents that are the easiest to access — but only 20–30 percent of the JFK files are uploaded to the site, and not all of them are searchable.

    Many of the important facts residing in the MFF database are subtle and have to be teased out. When located, these hidden treasures need thoughtful care to integrate and organize. Suppose, for example, you wanted to research the activities of the US ultra-right. Here is what you might find on your line if you went fishing on your own — a convoluted cluster of facts strung together on a long string that ties in eventually with the Kennedy assassination. 

    But try to follow all this: 

    Documents released in the 1990s reveal that Marcos Diaz Lanz was AMOT-6 (one of the leading members of a group trained by David Morales to be a new Cuban intelligence service once Castro had been ousted), Marcos Diaz Lanz used the alias Pedro Garcia, was active with the Minutemen under the alias “Pedro Garcia”, and threatened to engage in armed insurrection with the Minutemen when President Lyndon B. Johnson defeated Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ). 

    Also: Marcos’s brother Pedro Diaz Lanz (AMOT-5) was active with the ultra-right-wing evangelist Billy Jean Hargis’s Christian Crusade.  

    These facts don’t seem that significant until you consider that Pedro Diaz Lanz was the former chief of the Cuban Air Force … and was smuggled out of Cuba by the CIA’s aforementioned chief of operations in Miami, David Morales. 

    As stated earlier, Morales has been quoted by several in his intimate circle as admitting a role in the Kennedy assassination. 

    Another document shows that Morales’s frequent partner Tony Sforza was the case officer for Marcos Diaz Lanz/AMOT-6.  

    Other documents expand the story of KMFORGET — revealed by the New York Timesin 1977 as a program where “stories planted by the agency in one country would be clipped and mailed to media in other countries, and ‘such efforts enhanced the likelihood that the stories would be seen by an American correspondent and transmitted home.’” (Also see Jim DiEugenio & Lisa Pease, The Assassinations, p. 301.) 

    Releases from the 90s show that this “gray propaganda” technique was employed to get around a government ban on using published material by US government agencies created for foreign audiences and aiming them at American audiences. The ban was in place from the 1970s till July 2013. Gray propaganda is seen in situations when “the source may or may not be correctly identified, and the accuracy of information is uncertain.” (Garth S. Jowett & Victoria O’Donnell, Propaganda and Persuasion, (Sage Publications, 2006))

    The National Archives are missing JFK records from military intelligence, NSA, and the Secret Service. Photo credit: Adapted by WhoWhatWhy from National Archives / Wikimedia) and Justin Grimes / Flickr (CC BY-SA 2.0).

    There are dozens of interviews with high intelligence officials within the 70–80 percent of the National Archives documents not yet available on MFF. MFF’s limited budget resources make it impossible to upload these documents at this time without outside assistance. 

    The Dallas FBI file for the JFK assassination is a crucial source of information for the immediate hours and days after 12:30 PM on 11/22/63. 

    The “Numbered Files” of the House Select Committee on Assassinations contain dozens of depositions of key CIA and FBI officials and other important discoveries. This is just some of the low-hanging fruit.

    If we scan the relevant documents in the National Archives and elsewhere, we will have a far more powerful database. There are other key databases at the Harold Weisberg Archive site, the National Security Archives, MuckRock, WhoWhatWhy’s JFK project, the Assassinations Archives Research Center, the presidential libraries, and elsewhere, but the importance of scanning new documents and increasing the ability to scan cannot be overemphasized.

    Some Powerful Ways to Step Up the Pace of Discovery 

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    It is critical for all researchers and authors to support this effort by setting up websites, coming together in small groups whenever possible, scanning their work, and placing their research and archives online. Many of our best researchers will “age out” in the next 10–20 years — their discoveries should not be lost. Previous discoveries that need to be unearthed can be found at the archives of Penn Jones, John Armstrong, and other researchers, located at the Poage Legislative Library and full-text searchable. Although Poage is not accepting new archives at the present time, there are a myriad of ways to get it done. Holding on to this material for proprietary reasons is a bad idea and holds the work back.

    Legal action will probably be required to obtain hundreds of thousands of relevant NSA, Secret Service, and military intelligence files that were never submitted to the Archives as mandated by the JFK Act. Document review shows that the number of these records provided to the National Archives are miniscule when compared to the CIA and FBI submissions. Former intelligence officer John Newman refers to what needs to be done as “Research – Analyze – Review – Repeat … just like the intelligence agencies do it.”  

    Researcher Bill Kelly suggests that the JFK research community is a citizen-based counterintelligence operation, responding to the work of the intelligence operations.

    When we strengthen our analysis of the new and recent JFK revelations, we come together as a vital force ready to take on our nation’s history and the challenges of the modern era.

     

    Two Oswalds in the Texas Theater

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    On 6/9/2007 at 7:13 PM, Jim Glover said:

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    Now here is what I know about the double Oswald.

    The WC dismissed all evidence, including FBI because they thought there was only one Oswald. Allen Dulles was in charge of what secret files could be seen.

    I myself saw a taller looking Oswald in the custody of two Dallas Cops get on a shadow or 2nd Hollywood Hootenanny Tour bus shortly after the assassination, as I have told the FBI and Justice Dept.

    I talked to Butch Burrows who was the usher at the Texas Theater where Oswald was arrested and Butch told me and Later our concert at the Theater in 93 that the police were taking a taller looking Oswald out of the side door at the same time that Oswald was being taken out the front door and Butch showed me the side door.

    The research community has never gone into this even though I invited them all to the concert for JFK truth that night.

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    Jim

     

     

     

     

    Dorothy Kilgallen - Ruby, Tippitt, and Wiseman Meeting

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    On 2/20/2008 at 2:40 AM, John Simkin said:

    Does anyone know if Thayer Waldo is still alive? Waldo worked as a foreign correspondent in Mexico and Cuba. He left Cuba when Fidel Castro came to power and moved to the Dominican Republic. In 1962 he joined the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

    

    It is interesting that Florence Pritchett’s Husband was ambassador to Cuba during the time that Thayer Waldo was a correspondent there.

    And... From Spartacus....

    In 1943 Florence divorced Canning. The following year she met John F. Kennedy. The couple spent a lot of time together. Betty Spalding said that for Kennedy, "Over a long period of time, it was probably the closest relationship with a woman I know of." However, because Kennedy was a Roman Catholic, marriage was out of the question.

     

    Florence Pritchett 

     

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    Dorothy Kilgallen - Ruby, Tippitt, and Wiseman Meeting

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    On 2/20/2008 at 12:36 PM, Gary Buell said:

    http://coverthistory.blogspot.com/2005/07/...eting-from.html

    Tippit-Weissman-Ruby meeting

    From the Warren Commission Report (p.591, New York Times edition)

    Speculation.-Patrolman J. D. Tippit, Bernard Weissman, and Jack Ruby met by prearrangement on November 14, 1963 at the Carousel Club.

    Commission Finding.-Investigation has revealed no evidence to support the allegation. Nor is there any evidence that any of the men knew each other.

    Excerpts from an FBI document from the National Archives (#180-10020-10469), dated March 28, 1967. The original document is a teletype and is in all caps.

    Bureau has received a letter from a Mr. Lawrence Schiller, Alskog, Inc., Los Angeles, dated March Fifteen last ...

    Schiller has advised he is in possession of the name and location of Mark Lane's informant who allegedly furnished Lane information. He was supposedly present and overheard an alleged meeting between Jack Ruby, Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit, and Bernard Weissman, On Nov. Fourteen, Sixtythree...

    Schiller interviewed by Los Angeles, March Twentytwo last, and indicated that Mark Lane's confidential informant is Paul Bridewell aka Phil Burns, and that Bridewell currently located somewhere in Oregon, possibly Portland or Rainier. Exact location of Bridewell is probably known to one John Sutton, who formerly was in radio business in Dallas...

    According to Schiller, Mark Lane learned of identity of Bridewell and info in possession of Bridewell from Theodore (Thayer) Waldo, formerly associated with Fort Worth, Texas, newspaper, "Sun Telegraph"...

    Waldo indicates that about a week after assassination Sutton asked to meet him at the Dallas Press Club and at that time Sutton indicated he knew a man who witnessed a meeting in the Carousel Club between Ruby, Officer J.D. Tippit, and a Bernard Weissman, but who was reluctant to come forward with this information [over one line redacted]

    Waldo indicateds that on or about Dec. Seven, Sixtythree, he met Sutton at the Dallas Press Club and was introduced to Phil Burns, White male, age late thirties, five feet eight, one forty five lbs., chestnut hair, wore glasses and employed by some advertising firm on account of one of Sutton's sponsors. After many assurances that identity would be protected, Burns related that he was acquainted with Ruby [about one line redacted] also that he knew officer Tippit since he had seen him in uniform at the club which apparently was on his beat. Burns indicated he passed a table and Ruby greeted him saying, "You know J.D. here", and Ruby then introduced the other individual as Bernard Weissman from the East. Burns described Weissman as white male, thirtyfive years, black hair, over six feet tall. Burns allegedly returned to his table and Ruby sent him a complimentary drink.

    I do not know at this point if the FBI located Paul Bridewell. I believe that Bridewell may have been using an alias because he was in the Carousel Club with a woman who was not his wife.

    Dorothy Kilgallen - Ruby, Tippitt, and Wiseman Meeting

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    1 minute ago, Denis Morissette said:

    I don't have any info on the case than what we have here. I'm always skeptical of anything coming out from the mouth of Mark Lane or Thayor Waldo. I don't want to discouraging anyone from investigating anything.

    Denis, do you have a good, balanced, critical assessment that one can read about Lane? I find myself developing bias when I sense undue, unfair, or untrue criticism of a particular person. I would like to have a more balanced perspective on him. For the life of me I can’t figure out how the heck he ended-up in Jonestown, Guyana, for the massacre.

    Dorothy Kilgallen - Ruby, Tippitt, and Wiseman Meeting

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    19 hours ago, Denis Morissette said:

    We can discuss this to no end, but we can all agree that there was most probably no such meeting. Thanks.

    I don’t know... the testimony, here by Earl Warren, is that Mark Lane made the assertion based on an unnamed source. Mark Lane withheld the source, and Thayer Waldo is not mentioned at all. 

    Warren states that he invited Mark Lane to testify but Lane refused. Ruby doesn’t even deny it; he just rambles and never gives a straight answer.

    Denis, I appreciate your effort to raise the level of the “informed” aspect of the informed discourse, but, unless I am mistaken, you are asking us to dismiss a notion as debunked when it really hasn't been. We are only, here, seeing that it wasn’t established by the WC, or Ruby. Have you chased down Lane or Waldo for authentication for this; and found the claim dismissible? It would seem to be something that they would have revisited.

    Does Lane say that he refused to testify to the WC? I believe that he said that he was not asked to testify. I’ll have to check that.

    ***edit. I am seein Israel’s Mention of secret testimony by Mark Lane

     

    Michael Paine, Oswald lookalike?

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    6 hours ago, Stephanie Goldberg said:

    Michael - It wouldn't be that difficult to read all of her testimony before the Warren Commission, the HSCA & the Garrison trial.  Wouldn't it be fascinating to speak with her in person?  Do we know what this forum member asked when they interviewed Mrs. Paine?  

    I don’t believe the interview was shared in a comprehensive manner. In fact, I had the impression that the interview was not recorded in any manner at all.

    Michael Paine, Oswald lookalike?

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    1 hour ago, Stephanie Goldberg said:

    Given the fact that the Paines are still a huge ??? in the research, I don't discount anything about Michael Paine at this point.

    I wonder how difficult it would be to obtain an interview with Ruth Paine?  She's still alive, yes?

    As of a couple years ago a member here said she would give an interview to people who have read all of her testimony. That member had, indeed, claimed to have interviewed her.

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