Testimony of Kay Olsen

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/olsen_k.htm

Mrs. OLSEN. We went to the parking lot; we used to go over there and talk to Johnny.
Mr. SPECTER. Johnny who?
Mrs. OLSEN. I don't know.
Mr. SPECTER. Where is the parking lot located?
Mrs. OLSEN. Right behind the Carousel Club; across the street on-- what street would that be?
Mr. SPECTER. Akard?
Mrs. OLSEN. Akard?
Mr. SPECTER. Jackson and Akard?
Mrs. OLSEN. Jackson.
Mr. SPECTER. Was that at the intersection of Jackson and Akard?
Mrs. OLSEN. No. Jackson and the next street down. What was that? Field Jackson and Field. And we sat in there and we talked.
Mr. SPECTER. How long did you talk to Johnny?
Mrs. OLSEN. Oh, quite a while.
Mr. SPECTER. Was anybody else there at that time?
Mrs. OLSEN. Not that I remember; no. And we were sitting there; it was late, and that's when Jack Ruby drove by.
Mr. SPECTER. What time did he drive by?
Mrs. OLSEN. Oh, I can't be positive on these times.
Mr. SPECTER. About what time? 

On 5/4/2017 at 10:49 AM, Michael Clark said:

According to several testimonies (Senator, Crafard), the gun almost always stayed in the trunk, in a bag, with his money.

Also according to Ralph Paul....

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/paul.htm

 

15 minutes ago, Lawrence Schnapf said:

Judge Turnheim said at the March 16th CAPA Sunshine Week event that he personally saw a stack of files several feet high that were not part of the records that Yeltsin turned over to President Clinton 

Thank you Lawrence, but I am confused. He is saying that he saw these documents back in 1999, in the possession of Bill Clinton, but they were separate from the Yeltsin cache, and that they, presumably, were "new" documents at that time?

Cheers,

Michael

From the Testimony of Wanda Yvonne Hemlick

Employee of Ralph Paul, an acquaintance of Jack Ruby.

Employee at The Bull Pen

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/helmick.htm

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, what happened? Will you tell us what happened?
Mrs. HELMICK. Well, we were sitting there gossiping about something, I don't remember what, but we was teasing or aggravating Johnnie well, Paul you call him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Ralph Paul sitting there at the booth with you?
Mrs. HELMICK. No, he was behind the counter, and Rose got up and went back there to do something, and she started talking to him, and the telephone rang, and she said, "It is for you. It is Jack."
So he took the phone and he had been talking quite a while, and he said something. He either said, "Are you crazy? A gun?" or something like that, or he said something about a gun.
Then he said, "Are you crazy?" But he did say something about a gun, and he asked him if he was crazy.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did he talk on this telephone call?
Mrs. HELMICK. He Just talked for about 5 minutes, I guess. It wasn't very long.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you hear anything else that was said in the telephone conversation?
Mrs. HELMICK. He said something about either he had a date with Tammi or Jack had a date with Tammi, and Jack wanted to talk to Ralph, and that is all I know.



 

More on Felix Rodriguez in this thread.

 

This thread ties in well with the current Che Guevara thread.

 

Testimony of Officer Harry Olson

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/olsen_h.htm

1 minute ago, Michael Walton said:

 I generally get the feeling that you just read threads that you don't really care about and and just start raising a stink out of ignorance. 

Uh, aren't you the one that said way back on EF that you really don't "care" one way or the other what the outcome of all of this is, that you're kinda/sorta just farting around here? I happen to "care" enough about this case that'd I like for it to have some conclusion some day. Like for example, if PM is ever proven to be Oswald. Or if this year's document release releases enough to show even more that it couldn't have happened the WC said it did.

But I also "care" enough when common sense is just thrown to the wayside here. I mean, two extra wires and down in a manhole cover to make a command center? With Smathers commanding and the extra guy holding the ladder?  As Jimmy Nichol said - "It's getting better....it's getting better all the time." LOL

Good stuff Michael. I'd challenge you to quote me on farting around and not cariring but I do fear that there might be something in my past posts that might resemble such a statement. If so, I do not stand behind that sentiment.

But, to be sure, I am not talking about a command center. I am talking about a make-shift conference call to deal with a situation, and get stories straight. A read of Crafard's, Senator's, Ruby's, Olsen's and Olsen's (soon-to-be) wife raises questions and demands answers, even if speculative, to the reader.

Surely, Michael, you don't think that Jack Ruby played no part in the conspiracy?

 

Cheers,

Michael

5 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Dear Michael,

Maybe.  Maybe not.

(I gotta check with my controller on that one.)

--  Tommy   

I'm glad that I didn't ask. I'm sensitive and paranoid, in my NY way, about things like that.

6 minutes ago, Chris Newton said:

It's pretty clear that, in Castro's interview, he states that anyone coming into the Cuban Consulate with an attitude like Oswald's would have been denied any type of visa. He goes on to say that if anyone had been in the Consulate claiming to want to kill Kennedy that the Cuban's would have considered this a provocation. He also states that anything that Azcue stated can be taken at face value, that the man always spoke the truth.

If Oswald wanted to go to Cuba so badly and he was turned down and so disappointed, why didn't he simply Hijack an airliner? (see Marina's HSCA testimony)

Chris, I understood, from Castro's testimony, that no America would get such a visa on a walk-in basis. I understand that a known asset might be an exception, but the MC LHO's bad atitude was really not the point.

11 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

 She was officially terrified.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

I really like that phraseology.

Tommy, If you were one to answer questions, I would ask if you had read Castro's testimony.

5 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Dear Michael,

I mean I mean I mean I mean.

Jumping ahead here, maybe, but if LHO was drugged / hypnotized / somehow "turned" while he was in the Soviet Union, there would be no need for his being "screened" or whatever by the KGB boys in Mexico City, would there?

--  Tommy

 

Acknowledged, I'll just read and maybe I'll get my head around it.

4 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Huh?

--  Tommy

Help me out Tommy. I'm trying to follow you. I respect what I believe is your effort to make a point without trying to be overly speculative. Your previous post, one loooooooong sentence, was difficult for me to trace my way through. 

Are you saying that Soviet intelligence personnel were trying to decide whether to let LHO have a transit visa to the USSR, via Cuba?

9 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

edited and bumped

Tommy, I believe Castro's HSCA testimony, and Duran's statements, as well as the account of DAP, that there was absolutely no way that the DAP LHO was going to get a plane ticket to Cuba, even as a stopover on a transit visa. Castro's testimony holds the greatest veracity on this point, IMO.

Therefore, there would be no Russians vetting LHO at that time, to decide whether to let LHO on a plane to Cuba.

The best evidence, as I see it, following David Josephs, is that the DPD LHO did not go to MC in the 10-1-63 time frame.

44 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Dear Michael,

You know, after Oswald has tried to "kill himself" in Moscow, and that must be true, too, because good 'ol boys Nechiporenko and Leonov independently "confirmed" to us how LHO really was really, really unstable and everything, you know, by their revelations that Oswald provocatively and oh-so dramatically took his trusty revolver to the Mexico City Soviet Embassy two days in a row!

 

--  Tommy

To be sure, LHO's diary is isolated from the Yeltsin Papers. They are separate sources that agree with one-another. That is as good as gets when you are limited to two sources.

5 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Dear Michael,

Thanks.  Hmm .....1999, eh?  A rough year for Russia. What with all those mysterious Russian Apartment Bombings, the ensuing declaration of martial law, the ensuing cancellation of the upcoming elections, the ensuing "decision" of corrupt Boris Yestsin to retire, and the miraculous concomitant ascension of "former" KGB officer / Director of the ("reset"-lovin') FSB, Vladimir Putin (who, as 1st Prime Minister, had been protecting Yeltsin from corruption charges) to the presidency!

But I digress.  I'm sure everything in the files those nice Russians gave us is true.  I mean I mean I mean .... Why would they lie to us?  "Hip-Hip Hooray!  The Cold War Is Over!"  (lol)

--  Tommy

Well, at least now we have LHO's diary, assassination-era documents from the USSR and Paul Trejo. If we could now get the FBI, CIA, ONI, MI5, Mossad, Stazi, and Paul Trejo's source to cough up the family jewels, we might be on to something.

You are welcome Pamela!

 

The "Historic Diary"

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Warren Commission Exhibit 24 Vol 16, Pg 94-105

Note: In the interest of clarity and legibility, spelling, punctuation, and capitalization have been corrected in certain cases.

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Historic Diary

30 From Oct. 16 1959 Arrival--Leaving 

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Oct 16. Arrive from Helsinki by train; am met by Intourist Representative and in car to Hotel "Berlin." Register as "student" 5 day Lux tourist ticket. Meet my Intourist guide Rima Sherikova. I explain to her I wish to apply for Russian citizenship. She is flabbergasted, but agrees to help. She checks with her boss, main office Intour, then helps me address a letter to Supreme Soviet asking for citizenship, meanwhile boss telephones passport & visa office and notifies them about me. 

Oct. 17 - Rima meets me for Intourist sightseeing, says we must continue with this, although I am too nervous. She is "sure" I'll have an answer soon. Asks me about myself and my reasons for doing this. I explain I am a communist, etc. She is politely sympathetic but uneasy now. She tries to be a friend to me. She feels sorry for me. I am something new. 

Sun Oct. 18. My 20th birthday, we visit exhibit in the morning and in the afternoon The Lenin-Stalin tomb. She gives me a present, book "Idiot" by Dostoevsky. 

Oct. 19. Tourism. Am anxious since my visa is good for five days only and still no word from authorities about my request. 

Oct. 20. Rima in the afternoon says Intourist was notified by the pass & visa department that they want to see me. I am excited greatly by this news. 

Oct. 21 (morning). Meeting with single official. Balding stout, black suit fairly good English, asks what do I want? I say Soviet citizenship. He ask why I give vague answers about "Great Soviet Union." He tells me "USSR only great in Literature," wants me to go back home. I am stunned; I reiterate. He says he shall check and let me know whether my visa will be (extended it expires today). 
Eve. 6.00 Receive word from police official. I must leave country tonight at 8.00 P.M. as visa expires. I am shocked!! My dreams! I retire to my room. I have $100. left. I have waited for 2 years to be accepted. My fondest dreams are shattered because of a petty official; because of bad planning. I planned too much! 7.00 P.M. I decide to end it. Soak wrist in cold water to numb the pain. Then slash my left wrist. Then plug wrist into bathtub of hot water. I think "when Rima comes at 8 to find me dead, it will be a great shock." Somewhere, a violin plays, as I 

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Oct. 21 (con):watch my life whirl away. I think to myself, "how easy to die" and a sweet death, (to violins). About 8.00, Rima finds my unconscious (bathtub water a rich red color). She screams (I remember that) and runs for help. Ambulance comes, am taken to hospital where five stitches are put in my wrists. Poor Rima stays by my side as interpreter (my Russian is still very bad) far into the night. I tell her, "go home" (my mood is bad) but she stays, she is "my friend" She has a strong will. Only at this moment I notice she is pretty. 

Oct. 22. Hospital. I am in a small room with about 12 others (sick persons), 2 orderlies, and a nurse. The room is very drab as well as the breakfast. Only after prolonged (2 hours) observation of the other patients do I realize I am in the Insanity ward. This realization disquiets me. Later in afternoon, I am visited by Rima. She comes in with two doctors. As interpreter, she must ask me medical question, "Did you know what you were doing?" Answer "yes." "Did you blackout?" "No," etc. I then complain about poor food. The doctors laugh. Apparently this is a good sign. Later they leave, I am alone with Rima (amongst the mentally ill). She encourages me and scolds me. She says she will help me get transferred to another section of Hospital (not for insane) where food is good. 

Oct. 23. Transferred to ordinary ward, (airy, good food) but nurses suspicious of me) they know). Afternoon. I am visited by Rosa Agafonova of the hotel tourist office, who asks me about my health. Very beautiful, excellent English, very merry and kind. She makes me very glad to be alive. Later Rima vists 

Oct. 24 Hospital Routine. Rima visits me in afternoon. 

Oct. 25.  "     " 

Oct. 26 An elderly American at the hospital grow suspicious about me for some reason. Because at Embassy I told him I had not registered as most tourist and I am, in general, evasive about my presence in Moscow and at hospital. Afternoon Rima visits. 

Oct. 27 Stiches are taken out by doctor with "dull" scissor. 

Wed. Oct 28. Morning. Leave hospital in Intourist car with Rima for Hotel "Berlin." Later I change hotels to "Metropole." All clothes packed, and money from my room (to the last kopeck) returned, as well as watch, ring. Ludmilla Dimitrova (Intourist office head) and Rosa invite me to come and sit and talk with them anytime. I get lonesome at new hotel. They feel sorry for me. 

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Oct. 28(con.) Rima notifies me that pass & registration office wishes to see me about my future. Later Rima and car pick me up and we enter the offices to find four officials waiting for me (all unknown to me). They ask how my arm is, I say O.K. They ask "Do you want to go to your homeland." I say no I want Soviet citizen. I say I want to reside in the Soviet Union. They say they will see about that. Than they ask me about the lone official with whom I spoke in the first place (apparently he did not pass along my request at all but thought to simply get rid of me by not extending my Soviet visa at the time I requested it). I describe him (they make notes). What papers do you have to show who and what you are? I give them my discharge papers from the Marine Corps. They say wait for our answer. I ask how long? Not soon. Later Rima comes to check on me. I feel insulted and insult her. 

Oct 29. Hotel Room 214. Metropole Hotel. I wait. I worry. I eat once, stay next to phone, worry. I keep fully dressed 

Oct. 30. Hotel Room I have been in hotel three days; it seems like three years. I must have some sort of a showdown! 

Oct. 31. I make my decision. Getting passport at 12:00, I meet and talk with Rima for a few minutes. She says: stay in your room and eat well. I don't tell her about what I intend to do, since I know she would not approve. After she leaves, I wait a few minutes and than I catch a taxi, "American Embassy" I say. At 12:30, I arrive American Embassy. I walk in and say to the receptionist, "I would like to see the Consular." She points at a large ledger and says, "If you are a tourist please register." I take out my American passport and lay it in the desk, "I have come to dissolve my American citizenship," I say matter-of-factly. She rises and enters the ofice of Richard Snyder American Head Consular in Moscow at that time. He invites me to sit down. He finishes a letter he is typing and then ask what he can do for me. I tell him I have decided to take Soviet citizenship and would like to legally dissolve my U.S. citizenship. His assistant (Now Head Consular) McVickers looks up from his work. Snyder takes down personal infornation, asks questions, 

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Sat Oct 31. (continued) warns me not to take any steps before the soviets except me, says I am a "fool", and says the dissolution papers are a long time in preparing. (In other words refuses to allow me at that time to dissolve U.S. citizenship.) I state, "my mind is make up. From this day forward I consider myself no citizen of the U.S.A." I spend 40 minutes at the Embassy before Snyder says, "now unless you wish to expound on your marxist beliefs you can go." "I wish to dissolve U.S. citizenship." Not today, he says in effect. I leave Embassy, elated at this showdown. Returning to my hotel, I feel now my energies are not spent in vain. I'm sure Russians will accept me after this sign of my faith in them. 2:00 a knock. A reporter by the name of Goldstene wants an interview. I'm flabbergasted. "How did you find out?" "The Embassy called us," he said. I send him away. I sit and realize this is one way to bring pressure on me. By notifying my relations in U.S. through the newspapers, although they would say "it's for the public record." A half hour later another reporter, Miss Mosby, comes. I answer a few quick questions after refusing an interview. I am surprised at the interest. I get phone call from "Time" at night, a phone call from the States. I refuse all calls without finding out whose it from. I feel non-depressed because of the attention. 10:00 I retire. 

Nov. 1 - More reporters, 3 phone calls from brother & mother, now I feel slightly exhilarated, not so lonely. 

Nov- 2-15 Days of utter loneliness. I refuse all reports phone calls. I remain in my room; I am racked with dysentery. 

Nov 15 - I decide to give an interview. I have Miss Mosby's card so I call her. She drives right over. I give my story, allow pictures. Later, story is distorted, sent without my permission, that is: before I ever saw and OKed her story. Again I feel slightly better because of the attention. 

Nov. 16. A Russian official comes to my room, asks how I am. Notifies me I can remain in USSR 'til some solution is found with what to do with me. It is comforting news for me. 

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Nov 17 - Dec. 30 I have bought myself two self-teaching Russian Language Books. I force myself to study 8 hours a day. I sit in my room and read and memorize words. All meals I take in my room. Rima arranged that. It is very cold on the streets, so I rarely go outside at all. For this month and a-half, I see no one, speak to no-one, except every now and then Rima, who calls the ministry about me. Have they forgotten?, During December I paid no money to the hotel, but Rima told Hotel I was expecting a lot of money from USA. I have $28. left. This month I was called to the passport office and met 3 new officials who asked me the same questions I answered a month before. They appear not to know me at all. 

Dec 31. New Years eve, I spend in the company of Rosa Agafonova at the Hotel Berlin. She has the duty. I sit with her until past midnight. She gives me a small "Boratin" clown for a New Years present. She is very nice. I found out only recently she is married, has small son who was born crippled; that is why she is so strangely tender and compelling. 

Jan 1 - 4 No change in routine.

Jan 4. I am called to passsport office and finally given a Soviet document, not the soviet citizenship as I so wanted, only a Residence document, not even for foreigners but a paper called, "for those without citizenship." Still I am happy. The official says they are sending me to the city of "Minsk." I ask, "is that in Siberia?" He only laughs. He also tells me that they have arranged for me to receive some money through the Red Cross to pay my hotel bills and expenses. I thank the gentlemen and leave later in the afternoon. I see Rima. She asks, "are you happy?" "Yes." 

Jan.5. I go to Red Cross in Moscow for money with Interpreter (a new one). I receive 5000 rubles, a huge sum!! Later in Minsk I am to earn 70 rubles a month at the factory. 

Jan.7. I leave Moscow by train for Minsk, Belorussia. My hotel bill was 2200 rubles and the train ticket to Minsk 150 rubles so I have a lot of money & hope. I wrote my brother & mother letters in which I said, "I do not wish to ever contact you again. I am beginning a new life and I don't want any part of the old." 

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Jan 7. Arrive in Minsk, met by 2 women Red Cross workers. We go to hotel "Minsk." I take room and meet Rosa and Stellina, two persons from Intourist in hotel who speak English. Stellina is in 40's, nice, married, young child. Rosa about 23, blond, attractive, unmarried, excellent English. We attract each other at once. 

Jan 8. I meet the city mayor, comrade Shrapof, who welcomes me to Minsk, promises a rent-free apartment "soon," and warns me about "uncultured persons" who sometimes insult foreigners. My interpretor Roman Detkof Head For. Tech Institute next door. 

Jan. 10.The day to myself I walk through city; very nice. 

Jan. 11.I visit Minsk radio factory where I shall work. There I meet Argentinian Immigrant Alexander Ziger. Born a Polish Jew, immigrated to Argentinia in 1938 and back to Polish homeland (now part of Belorussia) in 1955, speaks English with American accent; he worked for American company in Argentinia. He is Head of a Department, a qualified Engineeer, in late 40's, mild mannered, likable. He seems to want to tell me something. I show him my temporary documents and say soon I shall have Russian citizenship. 

Jan 13 - 16 I work as a "checker" metal worker, pay: 700 rubles a month, work very easy. I am learning Russian quickly. Now, everyone is very friendly and kind. I meet many young Russian workers my own age. They have varied personalities. All wish to know about me, even offer to hold a mass meeting so I can say. I refuse politely. At night I take Rosa to the theater, movie, or opera almost every day. I'm living big and am very satisfied. I receive a check from the Red Cross every 5th of the month "to help." The check is 700 rubles. Therefore, every month I make 1400 rubles, about the same as the Director of the factory! Ziger observes me during this time. I don't like: picture of Lenin which watches from its place of honour and physical training at 11.-11.10 each morning (compulsary) for all (shades of H.G. Wells!!). 

March 16. I receive a small flat, one-room kitchen-bath near the factory (8 min. walk) with splendid view from 2 balconies of the river, almost rent free (60 rubles a month). It is a Russian's dream. 

March 17 - April 31 - Work. I have lost contact with Rosa after my house moving. I meet Pavel Golavacha, a young man my age, friendly, very intelligent, a excellent radio technician. His father is Gen. Golovacha Commander of Northwestern Siberia, twice hero of USSR in W.W.II. 

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May 1 - May Day came as my first holiday of all factories, etc, closed. After spectacular military parade, all workers parade past, reviewing stand waving flags and pictures of Mr. K., etc. I follow the American custom of marking a holiday by sleeping in in the morning. At night I visit with the Ziger's daughters at a party thrown by them. About 40 people came, many of Argentinian origin. We dance and play around and drink until 2 a.m. when party breaks up. Leonara Ziger oldest daughter, 26, formally married, now divorced, a talented singer. Anita Ziger, 20, very gay, not so attractive but we hit it off. Her boyfriend, Alfred, is a Hungarian chap, silent, and brooding, not at all like Anita. Ziger advises me to go back to U.S.A. Its the first voice of opposition I have heard. I respect Ziger; he has seen the world. He says many things and relates many things I do not know about the U.S.S.R. I begin to feel uneasy inside, it's true! 

June-July Summer months of green beauty; pine forest very deep. I enjoy many Sundays in the environments of Minsk with the Zigers who have a car, "mos-vick." Alfred always goes along with Anita, Leonara seems to have no permenant boyfriend but many admirers. She has a beautiful Spanish figure, long black hair, like Anita. I never pay much attention to her; she's too old for m. She seems to dislike my lack of attention for some reason. She is high strung. I have become habituated to a small cafe, which is where I dine in the evening. The food is generally poor and always exactly the same menu in any cafe, at any point in the city. The food is cheap and I don't really care about quality after three years in the U.S.M.C. 

Aug-Sept As my Russian improves, I become increasingly conscious of just what sort of a society I live in. Mass gymnastics, compulsary after work meeting, usually political information meeting. Compulsary attendence at lectures and the sending of the entire shop collective (except me) to pick potatoes on a Sunday, at a State collective farm. A "patriotic duty" to bring in the harvest. The opinions of the workers (unvoiced) are that it's a great pain in the neck. They don't seem to be especially enthusiastic about any of the "collective" duties, a natural feeling. I am increasingly aware of the presence, in all things, of Lebizen, shop party secretary, fat, fortyish, and jovial on the outside. He is a no-nonsense party regular. 

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Oct. The coming of Fall, my dread of a new Russian winter, are mellowed in splendid golds and reds of fall in Belorussia. Plums, peaches, apricots, and cherries abound for these last fall weeks. I am a healthy brown color and stuffed with fresh fruit (at other times of the year unobtainable). 

Oct 18 My 21st birthday sees Rosa, Pavel, Ella at a small party at my place. Ella, a very attractive Russian Jew I have been going walking with lately, works at the radio factory also. Rosa and Ella are jealous of each other. It brings a warm feeling to me. Both are at my place for the first time. Ella and Pavel both give ashtrays (I don't smoke); we have a laugh. 

Nov. Finds the approach of winter now. A growing loneliness overtakes me in spite of my conquest of Ennatachina, a girl from Riga, studying at the music conservatory in Minsk. After an affair which lasts a few weeks, we part. 

Nov 15 In Nov. I make the acquaintance of four girls rooming at the For. Ian. dormitory in room 212. Nell is very interesting, so is Tomka, Tomis and Alla. I usually go to the institute dormitory with a friend of mine who speaks English very well. Eraich Titov is in the fourth year at the medical institute. Very bright fellow. At the dormitory we 6 sit and talk in English. 

Dec 1 I am having an light affair with Nell Korobka. 

Jan 1 New Years I spend at home of Ella German. I think I'm in love with her. She has refused my more dishonorable advances. We drink and eat in the presence of her family in a very hospitable atmosphere. Later I go home drunk and happy. Passing the river homeward, I decide to propose to Ella. 

Jan. 2 After a pleasant hand-in-hand walk to the local cinema, we come home, standing on the doorstep I propose. She hesitates, then refuses, my love is real but she has none for me. Her reason besides lack of love; I am American and someday might be arrested simply because of that example Polish Intervention in the 20's led to the arrest of all people in the Soviet Union of polish origin. "You understand the world situation. There is too much against you and you don't even know it." I am stunned. She snickers at my awkwardness. In turning to go (I am too stunned to think!) I realize she was never serious with me but only exploited my being an American in order to get the envy of the other girls who consider me differed from the Russian Boys. I am miserable! 

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Jan 3. I am miserable about Ella. I love her but what can I do? It is the state of fear which was always in the Soviet Union. 

Jan 4. One year after I received the residence document I am called in to the passport office and asked if I want citizenship (Russian). I say no simply extend my residential passport to agree and my document is extended until Jan 4, 1962. 

Jan-4-31 I am starting to reconsider my desire about staying. The work is drap, the money I get has nowhere to be spent. No nightclubs or bowling alleys, no places of recreation except the trade union dances. I have have had enough. 

Feb. 1st Make my first request to American Embassy, Moscow, for reconsidering my position, I stated, "I would like to go back to U.S." 

Feb. 28th I receive letter from Embassy. Richard E. Snyder stated, "I could come in for an interview any time I wanted." 

March 1-16 I now live in a state of expectation about going back to the U.S. I confided in Ziger. He supports my judgement but warns me not to tell any Russians about my desire to return. I understand now why. 
March 17 - I and Erich went to trade union dance. Boring, but at the last hour I am introduced to a girl with a French hair-do and red-dress with white slipper. I dance with her, then ask to show her home. I do, along with 5 other admirers. Her name is Marina. We like each other right away. She gives me her phone number and departs home with a not-so-new friend in a taxi. I walk home. 

March 18-31- We walk. I talk a little about myself, she talks alot about herself. Her name is Marina N. Prusakova. 

Apr. 1st-30 We are going steady and I decide I must have her. She puts me off so on April 15, I propose. She accepts. 

April 31 After a 7 day delay at the marriage bureau because of my unusual passport, they allow us to register as man & wife. Two of Marinas girlfriends act as bridesmaids. We are married at her aunts home. We have a dinner reception for about 20 friends and neighbors who wish us happiness (in spite of my origin and accent), which was in general disquieting to any Russian since foreigners are very rare in the Soviet Union, even tourist. After an evening of eating and drinking in which uncle Wooser started a fight and the fuse blow on an overloaded circuit, we take our leave and walk the 15 minutes to our home. We lived near each other. At midnight we were home. 

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May Day 1961 Found us thinking about our future. In spite of fact I married Marina to hurt Ella, I found myself in love with Marina. 

May - The transition of changing full love from Ella to Marina was very painful, especially as I saw Ella almost every day at the factory but as the days and weeks went by, I adjusted more and more my wife mentally. I still hadn't told my wife of my desire to return to US. She is madly in love with me from the very start, boat rides on Lake Minsk, walks throughout the parks, evening at home, or Aunt Valia's place mark May. 

June - A continuence of May, except that we draw closer and closer and I think very little now of Ella. In the last days of this month, I reveal my longing to return to America. My wife is slightly startled. But then encourages me to do what I wish to do. 

July - I decided to take my two week vacation and travel to Moscow (without police permission) to the American Embassy to see about getting my U.S. passport back and make arrangements for my wife to enter the U.S. with me. 

July 8 - I fly by plane to Minsk on a il-20. 2 hrs 20m later, after taking a tearful and anxious parting from my wife, I arrive in Moscow. Departing by bus from the airfield, I arrive in the center of the city. Making my way through heavy traffic, I don't come in sight of the embassy until 3:00 in the afternoon. It's Saturday, what if they are closed? Entering I find the offices empty but manage to contact Snyder on the phone (since all embassy personel live in the same building). He comes down to greet me shake my hand. After interview he advises me to come in first thing Mon. 
(see - July 8 -13.) 
July 8. Interview July 9 receive passport; call Marina to Moscow also. 

July 14. I and Marina return to Minsk.

July 15. Marina at work, is shocked to find out there every know she entered the U.S. embassy. They were called at her place of work from some officials in Moscow. The bosses hold a meeting and give her a strong browbeating. The first of many indoctrinations. 

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July 15 - Aug. 20 We have found out which blanks and certificates are necessary to apply for a exit visa. They number about 20 papers; birth certificates, affidavits, photos, etc. On Aug 20th, we give the papers out. They say it will be 3 1/2 months before we know whether they'll let us go or not. In the meantime, Marina has had to stade 4 different meetings at the place of work held by her Boss's at the direction of "someone" by phone. The young communist league headquarters also called about her and she had to go see them for 1 1/2 hrs. The purpose (expressed) is to dissuade her from going to the U.S.A. Net effect: make her more stubborn about wanting to go. Marina is pregnant, we only hope that the visas come through soon. 

Aug 21-Sept 1 - I make expected trips to the passport & visa office, also to ministry of foreign affairs in Minsk, also ministry of Internal affairs, all of which have a say in the granting of a visa. I extracted promises of quick attention to US. 

Sept-Oct 18. No word from Min. (They'll call us). Marina leaves Minsk by train on vacation to the city of Khar'kov in the Urals to visit an aunt for 4 weeks. During this time I am lonely but I an Erich go to the dances and public places for entertainment. I haven't done this in quite a few months now. I spend my birthday alone at the opera watching my favorite, "Queen of Spades." I am 22 years old. 

Nov-2 Marina arrives back, radiant, with several jars of preserves for me from her aunt in Khar'kov. 

Nov-Dec. Now we are becoming annoyed about the delay. Marina is beginning to waver about going to the US. Probably from the strain and her being pregnant, still we quarrel and so thing are not too bright, especially, with the approach of the hard Russian winter. 

Dec 25 - Xmas Day, Tues. Marina is called to the passport & visa office. She is told we have been granted Soviet exit visas. She fills out the completing blank and then comes home with the news. It's great (I think!). New Years, we spend at the Zigers at a dinner party at midnight attended by 6 other persons. 

Jan. 4. I am called to the passport office since my Residential passport expires today. Since I now have a US. in my possession I am given a totally new residential pass called, "Pass for Forin," and since they have given US permission to leave, and know we shall, good to July 5, 1962. 

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Jan 15. 
Feb. 15. Days of cold Russian winter. But we feel fine. Marina is supposed to have baby on March 1st. 

Feb 15 - Dawn. Marina wakes me. It's her time. At 9:00 we arrive at the hospital. I leave her in care of nurses and leave to go to work. 10:00 Marina has a baby girl. When I visit the hospital at 5:00 after work I am given news. We both wanted a boy. Marina feels well, baby girl O.K. 

Feb. 23 Marina leaves hospital. I see June for first time. 

Feb. 28 I go to register (as proscribed by the law) the baby. I want her name to be June Marina Oswald but those bureaucrats say her middle name must be the same as my first. A Russian custom support by a law. I refuse to have her name written as "June Lee." They promise to call the city ministry (city hall) and find out in this case since I do have a U.S. passport. 

Feb. 29. I am told nobody knows what to do exactly, but everyone agrees "Go ahead and do it, "Po-Russki." Name: June Lee. 

March. The last commications are exchanged by myself and Embassy. Letters are always arriving from my mother and brother in the U.S. I have still not told Erich, who is my oldest existing acquaintance, that we are going to the State. He's o.k. but I'm afraid he is too good a young communist league member, so I'll wait 'til last minute. 

March 24-Marina quits her job in the formal fashion. 

March 26. - I receive a letter from Immigration and Naturalization service at San Antonio, Texas, that Marina has had her visa petition to the U.S. (Approved!!) The last document. Now we only have to wait for the U.S. Embassy to receive their copy of the approval so they can officially give the go ahead. 

March 27 I receive a letter from a Mr. Phillips (a employer of my mother, pledging to support my wife in case of need).

"In August of 1999, Russian President Boris Yeltsin handed this collection of Soviet documents to President Clinton.

Some of the documents relate to the decision to allow Lee Harvey Oswald to stay in the Soviet Union in 1959, when Oswald requested Soviet citizenship. These papers are interesting mostly for the signatures on them, showing that this decision reached very high levels within the Soviet government.

The remainder of the documents were generated in the wake of the assassination of President Kennedy, and reveal the Soviets' fears of being tied to Oswald and their perception that the assassination was a right-wing conspiracy designed to make it look like Oswald was sponsored by the KGB."

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/contents/other/contents_yeltsin.htm

Edit**** To be sure, I have seen conflicting dates for the release of these papers. For example, from another thread...

Johnn Simkin wrote : "Malcolm Blunt has suggested that "Mr Carroll and Mr Parker may care to look at Peter Wronski's work on this subject....he has Oswald getting his visa a day earlier... based on Russian Government 1992 releases which Yeltsin gave to Bill Clinton on his visit to the U.S."

1 minute ago, Thomas Graves said:

Dear Michael,

Huh?

Could you fill us in with the details or at least provide us with a "link", oh great Super Member?

Thanks,

--  Tommy

My bad, it's the history matters site.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/contents/other/contents_yeltsin.htm

2 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Dear Michael,

Regardless of what was written in his "Historic Diary," did the State Department  determine that Oswald had effectively renounced his U.S. citizenship?

--  Tommy

The Yeltsin papers on Marie Fonzie's site fill-out the rest of that story.

3 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Dear Michael,

Did Oswald effectively renounce his citizenship, or did he only appear to try to do so, you know, so dad-gum near the embassy's closing time that Saturday AM?

--  Tommy

 

On May 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Paul Trejo said:

Yes, September 24th.  Typo.

--Paul

Paul Trejo wrote: " I take it as a historical fact that Antonio Veciana, leader of Alpha 66, the proposed killers of Fidel Castro, saw Lee Harvey Oswald in the company of Maurice Bishop on September 24, 1963 in Dallas.  Antonio had a contract with Maurice Bishop of the CIA, to whack Castro."

 

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Paul, LHO was in NOLA on the 24th, not in Dallas with DAP and AV. 

 

September 20, 1963: Ruth visits the Oswalds, and it is decided that Marina will return to Irving with Ruth for the birth of the baby.

 September 23, 1963: Ruth and Marina leave for Irving.

 September 24, 1963: Eric Rogers, a neighbor, sees LHO running to catch a bus.

 September 25, 1963: LHO collects his unemployment check of $33. Later, he catches a bus bound for Houston. Late that night, he places a phone call to Horace Twiford, an official of the Texas Socialist Labor Party.

56 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

James,

You are mistaken on so many points.

First, you say that the Oswald "suicide" dramatics in Mexico City were invented by the Soviets. Yet the US Embassy in the USSR said the same thing about Oswald -- he actually slit his wrists to get into the USSR.

Now -- Oswald didn't slit them very deep -- but it was shocking to everybody, and he was rushed to a hospital -- and it probably convinced some bureaucrats that Oswald was sincere, and that was flattering to their love of the Soviet system -- so they let him into the USSR.

Having succeeded with such dramatics in the USSR, it makes sense that Oswald would try dramatics again in the USSR Embassy in Mexico City.

Also, you wish to dismiss Oleg Nechiporenko's book, Passport to Assassination (1993), but you ignore the fact that David Lifton advocates it, and Lifton disagrees with you.

Also, the Lopez Report said there were no photos of Oswald ANYWHERE except those he brought himself -- but we know from Bill Simpich (2014) that the photos of Oswald taken in Mexico City Embassy compound were confiscated in a CIA Mole Hunt.   So, your CT is out-of-date.

Also, you cite all your old pals who agreed with you years ago on this Forum, and you wax nostalgic for the "good old days" when things were allegedly more objective.  However, Lee Farley was exceedingly biased in his denial that Oswald ever beat Marina at any time.  He was emotional about it, despite a half-dozen eye-witnesses, and over twenty character witnesses.

So -- right -- Probe Magazine has fallen.   Jeff Caufield, Bill Simpich and David Lifton are the current writers of interest.

As for the "Soviet Embassy letter," it is not an invention of Quaker Charity lady Ruth Paine -- on the contrary -- it harmonizes perfectly with the Lopez Report.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Paul Trejo wrote: "..... he actually slit his wrists to get into the USSR."

He was already IN the USSR. Two and a half months later they gave him residency status

Paul Trejo wrote: Now ..... that was flattering to their love of the Soviet system -- so they let him into the USSR.

He was already in the USSR. They did not provide him with citizenship, although he requested citizenship, surrendered his passport, renounced US citizenship and wrote his family asking that they never try to canotact him again.

 

 

Diary of LHO:

Oct.16. Arrive from Helsinki by train ;am met by Intourest Repre.and in car to Hotel "Berlin". Reges. as. "studet" 5 day Lux .tourist. Ticket.) Meet my Intorist guied Rimma Sherikova I explain to her I wish to appli. for Rus.citizenship. She is flabber;assed, but aggrees to help. She checks with her boss, main officeIntour;than helps me add.a letter to Sup.Sovit asking for citizenship, mean while boss telephone passport & visa office and notifies them about me. 

Oct. 21 (morning). Meeting with single official. Balding stout, black suit fairly good English, asks what do I want? I say Soviet citizenship. He ask why I give vague answers about "Great Soviet Union." He tells me "USSR only great in Literature," wants me to go back home. I am stunned; I reiterate. He says he shall check and let me know whether my visa will be (extended it expires today). 
Eve. 6.00 Receive word from police official. I must leave country tonight at 8.00 P.M. as visa expires. I am shocked!! My dreams! I retire to my room. I have $100. left. I have waited for 2 years to be accepted. My fondest dreams are shattered because of a petty official; because of bad planning. I planned too much! 7.00 P.M. I decide to end it. Soak wrist in cold water to numb the pain. Then slash my left wrist. Then plug wrist into bathtub of hot water. I think "when Rima comes at 8 to find me dead, it will be a great shock." Somewhere, a violin plays, as I 

Oct.31. I make my dision. Getting passport at 12"00 I meet and talk with Rimma for a few minutes she says:stay in your room and eat well, I don't tell her about what I intend to do since I know she would not approve. After she leaves I wait a few minutes and than I catch a taxi, "American Embassy" I say. 12"30, I arrive American Embassy, I walk in and say to the receptionist `I would like to see the Consular" she points at a large lager and says"if you a tourist please register". I take out my American passport and lay it o the desk. "I have come to dissolve my American citizenship. I saymatter-of-factly she rises and enters the office of Richard Snyder 

American Head Consular in Moscow at that time. He invites me to sit r down. He finishes a letter he is typing and then asks what he can do for me. I tell him I have dicided to take Soviet citizenship and would like to leagly dissolve my U .S.citizenship. His assitant (now Head Consular) McVickers e looks up from his work . Snyder serys- takes down personall Information, 

Jan 4. I am called to passsport office and finally given a Soviet document, not the soviet citizenship as I so wanted, only a Residence document, not even for foreigners but a paper called, "for those without citizenship." 

Jan.5. ........I wrote my brother & mother letters in which I said "I do not wish to every contact you again." Iam defining a new life and I don't wand any part of the old".

July - I decided to take my two week vacation and travel to Moscow (without police permission) to the American Embassy to see about getting my US passport back."