Michael Clark

Putting a couple things together and using a couple of assumptions as a hypothesis. - Let's assume Oswald was recruited out of the Marines and into the CIA. - He ends-up in Eorupe on his assignment in Russia by October 15. - His Discharge, visit with Mom, and departure are all done in haste. - Laherve- England to Helsinki, all tout-de-suite. - Secured documents for Russia as quickly as can be done... Why Take a 3 week steamer to Eorupe? Of, course, traveling by steamer in 1963 might sound quaint, or normal. But, LHO was burning rubber between his discharge and Russia. The steamer makes no sense, and as David Josephs has pointed out, there is little evidence of our Ozzie on that boat. So, assuming he's not on that boat, he is of course getting debriefed and trained somewhere, and meeting contacts. We'll never know how he really got to England or Helsinki. Can we pick up the trail of who may have handled him during the time he was supposed to be on a boat? A boat trip, in this case, is just too rich to pass up as cover for other activities.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/157-10008-10211.pdf AMWHIP 1 and AMLASH 1 Interestingly, this document is dated to August, 1962. The Mary Farrell site indicates that AMLASH was recruited in 1963 AMWHIP-1- Carlos Tepedino Gonzalez, a Cuban exile living in the U.S. who was a "long-time friend" of Rolando Cubela (AMLASH). AMWHIP-1 arranged the 1961 meeting between a CIA case officer and Cubela, who was recruited to attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro. AMLASH. Rolando Cubela Secades, a Cuban doctor and official who was recruited in 1963 for an assassination attempt on Castro. Cubela stated that Castro had to be eliminated before any coup could succeed and had initially requested a high powered rifle from the CIA. The CIA balked at that and Cubela was being given a CIA poison pen on Nov 22 when news of JFK's death broke. Suspicion remains that Cubela may have been acting as a dangle to the CIA by Castro; that is fueled by his lenient treatment after being exposed and convicted of treason. Why is there a note in the margins of page 10, asking where LHO stayed on July 30, of 1962, while discussing a meeting betweem AMLASh- 1 and AMWHIP-1 in Helsinki? p. 11. Location Code. 19-1

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Thread Post 12 https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10162-10030.pdf 21-20 AMBIDDY-1

Thread Post 11 https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10123-10018.pdf re Richard Case Nagel 15-10 (?) redacted (as per Post # 16, Bern) The above and below documents lead me to speculate that 15-18 is Zurich. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10123-10019.pdf (re Richard Nagell) 15-10 (as per Post # 16, Bern) 15-18. Similar to above https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10123-10020.pdf

Thread Post 10 https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/157-10008-10211.pdf Page 5. "Here", presumably the location of the "World Youth Festival" = Helsinki = 14-1 (Also AMWHIP, AMLASH-1) P. 11. Location Code. 19-1 p. 14. 19-6, 14-6 ——————— https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10172-10207.pdf 14-6

Thread Post 9 16 - 2 Guatemala City https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10133-10383.pdf ------------------------------------------------- 16-2 Mexico City https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10063-10007.pdf

Sounds like the author is still alive, and has very busy for 8 ish years on our forum. 😭

Thanks David, I was just double-checking myself. This morning, that PDF link went to an archives link that said" Document not found", and I tried it several times and in different forms. It definitely changed since this morning. Also, I have found that page counts on these entries to be accurate, until now. To be sure, those links bring me to the same document that you posted (thanks again) which is 11 pages. In fact, I still have a "page not found" window open from this morning, with that URL in the Navigation pane. I took a screen shot.

Hi Paz, that first link is a very long set of documents. Can you tell us anything about it or draw our attention to anything in that document? ****edit.. the three links amount to over 700 pages. Can your help us focus as we read them?

Thanks David, yet the NARA entry lists the document as running 191 pages. (My apologies for my copy-pastes of snippets of these PDF's. I have no idea how they look on anything other than my iPad) here is left side of that entry, cut off in my previous post, indicating 191 pages. The Black Vault also shows 191 pages in their clickable 3000 + page index. HON CHURCH, FRANK, CHAIRMAN BLACKHURST, STEVEN DOCUMENTS RE: FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE 191 FBI 03/20/2018 Box 466-16 Here is the link to the Archives page, the entry is the third one down as my device resolves the URL. https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release?page=1066&sort=asc&order=NARA Release Date

I want to see a document that is no longer accessible on the archives page, here: https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release?page=1066&sort=asc&order=NARA Release Date I also tried to search "BLACKHURST" on The Black Vault and come-up with nothing. 53303 157-10008-10145 04/26/2018 Redact 03/18/1976 [PDF] PAPER-TEXTUAL DOCUMENT HON CHURCH, FRANK, CHAIRMAN BLACKHURST, STEVEN DOCUMENTS RE: FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE

When he first showed-up, I found a YouTube video of his; highly produced. I chose not to share it at the time. I cannot find it now. I won't characterize it.

Cliff, that is excellent. It is always my approach. I can't say that I am immediately in agreement, after having just now read your argument, but I do appreciate your putting it forth. To be sure it is difficult for me to so quickly move to a conclusion where Kennedy deliberately wanted the operation to fail.

Yup, Paul Trejo tries to dodge, weave, and worse. Paul Trejo's fiction is that Bannister and David Phillips wanted Oswald to kill Castro, and sent him to Mexico City to get an "instant visa" to Cuba, with his rifle in his duffle bag, to try and shoot Castro.

Repeating Jason's remark: "...Walker basically adopts something of the CIA-did-it conspiracy theory Garrison began which lives on today.." ........................ Jason, How could Walker be adopting, in the Summer of 1964, a Garrison theory that did not crop--up until years later? That is quite a theory, Jason. It requires an ability to look into the future. I understand that you want to credit Walker with capabilities on which few others are willing to bet their credibility, but I think that is going too far. If I thought that this thread was an open debate, and I had not been placed on ignore by you and Paul Trejo, I would have worded this differently, but, such as things are, rhetorical devices are necessary. Cheers Michael

With Dorothy Kilgallen....

Two Documents by Leonard McCoy On Nosenko 1978 8 page Cronology of an Effort to Inspire Objective Review of the Nosenko Case http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/2018/104-10095-10126.pdf 1965 58 page conclusion that Nosenko was a true defector http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/2018/104-10095-10151.pdf

Yup, Jason inserts a mythical epidemic of Conspitacy-Theory-itis, at every turn, and where none exists.

Was Bagely a sadistic, myopic torturer? His later claims about Nosenko are very likely clouded by that part of human nature which demands that we justify what we have done in order to absolve ourselves of guilt. He was also likely incompetent and dangerously-so. From the recent document release. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32359254.pdf Italics are mine... TOP SECRET 13 October 1970 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD Subject: BAGELY, Tennant, Harrington #386 38 1) On Wednesday, 7 October 1970 I briefed Colonel L. K. White, Executive Director-Controller on certain reservations I have concerning the proposed promotion of Bagely to a supergrade position.  2) I was very careful to explain to Colonel White at the outset that my reservations had nothing whatsoever to do with Bagely's security status. I explained that it was my conviction that Bagely was almost exclusively responsible for the manner in which the Nosenko case had been handled by our SR division. I said I considered that Bagely lacked objectivity and that he had displayed extremely poor judgment over a two year period in the handling of this case. Specifically as one example of Bagely's extreme prejudice I pointed out that the SR division had neglected to follow up several leads provided by Nosenko which subsequently had been followed up by this office (Bruce Solie) and that this lead us to individuals who have confessed their recruitment and use by the Soviets over an extensive period of time. 3) I explained further that Bagely displayed extremely poor judgment in the actions he took during that time that Nosenko was incarcerated at ISOLATION. On many occasions, as the individual responsible for Nosenko's care, I refuse to condone Bagely's instructions to my people who are guarding him. In one instance Bagely insisted that Nosenko's food ration be reduced to black bread and water three times daily. After I had briefed Colonel White, he indicated that he would refresh the Director's memory on Bagely's role in the Nosenko case at the time he reviews supergrade promotions.   Howard J. Osborn Director of Security ------------------- And Two Documents by Leonard McCoy On Nosenko 1978 8 page Cronology of an Effort to Inspire Objective Review of the Nosenko Case http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/2018/104-10095-10126.pdf 1965 58 page conclusion that Nosenko was a true defector http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/2018/104-10095-10151.pdf

Bagely was likely a sadistic, myopic torturer. His later claims about Nosenko are very likely clouded by that part of human nature which demands that we justify what we have done in order to absolve ourselves of guilt. He was also likely incompetent and dangerously-so. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32359254.pdf Italics are mine... TOP SECRET 13 October 1970 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD Subject: BAGELY, Tennant, Harrington #386 38 1) On Wednesday, 7 October 1970 I briefed Colonel L. K. White, Executive Director-Controller on certain reservations I have concerning the proposed promotion of Bagely to a supergrade position.  2) I was very careful to explain to Colonel White at the outset that my reservations had nothing whatsoever to do with Bagely's security status. I explained that it was my conviction that Bagely was almost exclusively responsible for the manner in which the Nosenko case had been handled by our SR division. I said I considered that Bagely lacked objectivity and that he had displayed extremely poor judgment over a two year period in the handling of this case. Specifically as one example of Bagely's extreme prejudice I pointed out that the SR division had neglected to follow up several leads provided by Nosenko which subsequently had been followed up by this office (Bruce Solie) and that this lead us to individuals who have confessed their recruitment and use by the Soviets over an extensive period of time. 3) I explained further that Bagely displayed extremely poor judgment in the actions he took during that time that Nosenko was incarcerated at ISOLATION. On many occasions, as the individual responsible for Nosenko's care, I refuse to condone Bagely's instructions to my people who are guarding him. In one instance Bagely insisted that Nosenko's food ration be reduced to black bread and water three times daily. After I had briefed Colonel White, he indicated that he would refresh the Director's memory on Bagely's role in the Nosenko case at the time he reviews supergrade promotions.   Howard J. Osborn Director of Security -------------------------- And Two Documents by Leonard McCoy On Nosenko 1978 8 page Cronology of an Effort to Inspire Objective Review of the Nosenko Case http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/2018/104-10095-10126.pdf 1965 58 page conclusion that Nosenko was a true defector http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/2018/104-10095-10151.pdf

Bagely was likely a sadistic, myopic torturer. His later claims about Nosenko are very likely clouded by that part of human nature which demands that we justify what we have done in order to absolve ourselves of guilt. He was also likely incompetent and dangerously-so. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32359254.pdf Italics are mine... TOP SECRET 13 October 1970 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD Subject: BAGELY, Tennant, Harrington #386 38 1) On Wednesday, 7 October 1970 I briefed Colonel L. K. White, Executive Director-Controller on certain reservations I have concerning the proposed promotion of Bagely to a supergrade position.  2) I was very careful to explain to Colonel White at the outset that my reservations had nothing whatsoever to do with Bagely's security status. I explained that it was my conviction that Bagely was almost exclusively responsible for the manner in which the Nosenko case had been handled by our SR division. I said I considered that Bagely lacked objectivity and that he had displayed extremely poor judgment over a two year period in the handling of this case. Specifically as one example of Bagely's extreme prejudice I pointed out that the SR division had neglected to follow up several leads provided by Nosenko which subsequently had been followed up by this office (Bruce Solie) and that this lead us to individuals who have confessed their recruitment and use by the Soviets over an extensive period of time. 3) I explained further that Bagely displayed extremely poor judgment in the actions he took during that time that Nosenko was incarcerated at ISOLATION. On many occasions, as the individual responsible for Nosenko's care, I refuse to condone Bagely's instructions to my people who are guarding him. In one instance Bagely insisted that Nosenko's food ration be reduced to black bread and water three times daily. After I had briefed Colonel White, he indicated that he would refresh the Director's memory on Bagely's role in the Nosenko case at the time he reviews supergrade promotions.   Howard J. Osborn Director of Security

I should have noted that the above was part of the recent document release. ------------------------ And Two Documents by Leonard McCoy On Nosenko 1978 8 page Cronology of an Effort to Inspire Objective Review of the Nosenko Case http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/2018/104-10095-10126.pdf 1965 58 page conclusion that Nosenko was a true defector http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/2018/104-10095-10151.pdf

Noted and reported...