Michael Clark

A solid candidate. A document, thanks to @Bart Kamp https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/ec498402-3465-453a-a17b-5f106a4e85fe/downloads/JMWAVE - AMBUD.pdf?ver=1569645475562 Classified message Date: 5 Jan 63 To: Director From: WAVE Action: TFW 10 Info: ... DIR CITE WAVE 3050 (?) IMMEDIATE ACTION GYROSE KUWOLF REF Wa.. 2757 1.AMBUD-1 ETD 7 JAN National FLT 202 for ZRMETAL to confer with messrs Hurvitch of State and Califano of DOD Re Training of Cubans and possible arrangements specific program as incentive recruitment large number Brigade members. AMBUD-1 Me also pay courtesy call on GPFOCUS. 2. FYI wish point out in AMBUD-1 feels brigade was creature of KUBARK and KUBARK must that make final determination re brigade’s future, i.e., what role will brigade play in exile community and how will it be used in future achieve liberation Cuba. AMBUD-1 Willing actively assist in implementing any KUBARK proposed solution but he has no ideas of his own despite fact he previously alerted to prepare for solution two problems which would occur when brigade returned. 3. Info currently available indicates troika of Artime, San Roman and Olivia under leadership And inspiration furnished by already May will manage hold major portion brigade together in other loose confederation as predicted para 1. WAVE influence over AMBUD-1 and Artime should result this brigade confederation remaining internal part AMBUD altho exact details for this have not been worked out. If this ... listed brigade can be used as PM instrument which functions under AMBUD aegis. WAVE intends control this PM instrument thru recruitment ARTIME and Oliva. PM exploitation brigade will not result gainful employment any substantial number brigade members. Thus major portion brigade members who stay loyal AMBUD have no future as professional revolutionaries. Additionally existing ODYOKE policy would appear preclude maintenance brigade as conventional fighting unit. Within current policy see no immediate role for brigade per se in PM ops as commandos or for building resistance mechanism Cuba. This brigade is at best de facto latent pool possible PM agent candidates if PM ops Are again initiated at pre-Oct 62 levels. Brigade offers no apparent FI potential and CI potential while being explored appears limited in scope. Realistically this means brigade must be settled, i.e., put back into private economy from which it came. This will in part be accomplished by new resettlement efforts which targeted against all Cuban refugees located Dade County. This effort however not sufficient in scope or depth solve these economic problems which are bound erode initial buoyancy and esprit de corps which brigade has shown since its release. Economic and family pressures will mount as time passes and labor market Dade County cannot absorb labor force which brigade represents. Resultant chaotic economic situation will then cause serious problems for AMBUD, KUBARK and ODYOKE. Suggest therefore there merit in establishing safety valve now and believe this can be done establishing army recruitment program designed get some significant part of brigade into Army Cuban training program. This obviously short term solution as WAVE has no insight into what DOD plans do with if Cuban army trainees once they finish basic training. If HQS has info regard this matter WAVE would appreciate expeditious receipt of this background info. Despite the fact recruitment brigade returnees into army only short term solution believe it worth pursuing as in our judgment such action will facilitate overall resettlement brigade members if for no other reason then it would stagger reinsertion brigade members into Dade County labor market. Suggest therefore HQS consideration alerting appropriate ODYOKE components re favorable aspects which inherent in using army Cuban recruitment program as resettlement device figure brigade returnees. If appropriate ODYOKE components agreed this worth doing it our opinion action would have to be taken start campaign among brigade returnees to publicize enlistment program. 4. Request HQS comment para 3. End of message

This is ridiculous.

Aren’t you going to quote your sources? http://forum.jfkmurdersolved.com/viewtopic.php?p=40646

My first encounter with you was when I came away, stunned, after having read the WC side-by-side testimony of Marina and the Furniture Mart lady(ies). I was unaware of the H&L angle at the time. I had not (nor have I since) read H&L, but I soon became aware, independently, through testimony, documentation, period recordings and articles and the obvious photographic evidence, that made it clear that there was an attempt to double Oswald. There is just no question about it. I am glad that someone, John Armstrong, chased the length and breadth of that issue to the ends of the Earth, certainly looking where others saw nothing, finding things that others do not see, and delivering the entire load, the chaff to be separated by each of us, on our own, from the wheat. It is an immensely important work. There is no doubt that there was an active, planned, concerted effort to create, maintain, disguise and selectively use two LHO’s and their appearances in the months and possibly years leading up to the Assassination. I firmly believe that the plan to use LHO and his double-identity in the assassination did not long preceed the assassination itself, but, for whatever reason, the dual identity was built; and it was utilized or sacrificed in the assassination plot. You toss dirt on the bodies of murdered men with your conveyances, Lance, and I do not believe what you claim is your motivation for doing so.

As I am wont to-do, I think I smell James McCord Jr. here, and if it was for someone’s benefit, albeit a disturbing benefit, it may have been for JJA..

Aside from the above-stated purpose of the site will be to foment interest in historical documents while simultaneously getting the job done. One goal I have in mind is that targeted documents can be signed-out, transcribed, submitted for peer review and then published. To add inertia to the initiative I am thinking of enlisting professors to give credit to students who do the transcriptions and also do peer reviews as the document flows towards publication on the site. These professors would be expected to do some portion of the reviews for their students, signing-off on all, if only throughly reading a percentage, of them. This is kind of turning into a nascent mission statement. Interested parties can join on varied levels, starting with basic communication and trial runs. I will also be looking for those who know or want to learn how to use the relevant Office 365 products. A Guest user can be added to the Office 365 portal for free, and I have yet to learn the full length and breadth of the capabilities of Guest users. Email, OneDrive, SharePoint, and other apps can be part of a subscription starting at $4 a month; but this getting ahaead of the effort at this point as I have no budget and am weary of the complications involved with subscription fees. To be sure, I am not soliciting any members for any paid collaboration at this time. I am posting for the purpose of getting any feedback and a sense of interest in the project. Here are some O365 subscriptions for comparison: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/servicedescriptions/exchange-online-service-description/exchange-online-service-description https://products.office.com/en-us/compare-all-microsoft-office-products?activetab=tab:primaryr2

I have set up a site that I intend to use, in part, for document transcription, sharing, analysis and perhaps articles. There is nothing to it yet. One thing I am using is Microsoft Office 365 for some of the features, including SharePoint. I think O365 Flow will be useful for tracking the processing and progress of document identification, acquisition, transcription and peer review. Of course, as always, I have in mind some great collaborative effort that will suddenly fall from the heavens, and I am sure I will be disappointed. But, I always feel better for having tried even when I am sure I will fail. That said, I posted the following on another thread. I’ll repost here in case anyone will share the form blanks that I am requesting: “I would like a set of blank forms from the CIA and FBI which we commonly see in the documents release. I’ll make my own if I can’t find them. If someone would share them it would be a big time saver because I will have to figure out how to create them from scratch. I need these because there are numerous documents that I want to transcribe and I have come to the conclusion that the best way to do it is in the original format with original form types and headers.”

I would like a set of blank forms from the CIA and FBI which we commonly see in the documents release. I’ll make my own if I can’t find them. If someone would share them it would be a big time saver because I will have to figure out how to create them from scratch. I need these because there are numerous documents that I want to transcribe and I have come to the conclusion that the best way to do it is in the original format with original form types and headers.

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/ec498402-3465-453a-a17b-5f106a4e85fe/downloads/JMWAVE - AMBUD.pdf?ver=1569645475562 Classified message Date: 5 Jan 63 To: Director From: WAVE Action: TFW 10 Info: ... DIR CITE WAVE 3050 (?) IMMEDIATE ACTION GYROSE KUWOLF REF Wa.. 2757 1.AMBUD-1 ETD 7 JAN National FLT 202 for ZRMETAL to confer with messrs Hurvitch of State and Califano of DOD Re Training of Cubans and possible arrangements specific program as incentive recruitment large number Brigade members. AMBUD-1 Me also pay courtesy call on GPFOCUS. 2. FYI wish point out in AMBUD-1 feels brigade was creature of KUBARK and KUBARK must that make final determination re brigade’s future, i.e., what role will brigade play in exile community and how will it be used in future achieve liberation Cuba. AMBUD-1 Willing actively assist in implementing any KUBARK proposed solution but he has no ideas of his own despite fact he previously alerted to prepare for solution two problems which would occur when brigade returned. 3. Info currently available indicates troika of Artime, San Roman and Olivia under leadership And inspiration furnished by already May will manage hold major portion brigade together in other loose confederation as predicted para 1. WAVE influence over AMBUD-1 and Artime should result this brigade confederation remaining internal part AMBUD altho exact details for this have not been worked out. If this ... listed brigade can be used as PM instrument which functions under AMBUD aegis. WAVE intends control this PM instrument thru recruitment ARTIME and Oliva. PM exploitation brigade will not result gainful employment any substantial number brigade members. Thus major portion brigade members who stay loyal AMBUD have no future as professional revolutionaries. Additionally existing ODYOKE policy would appear preclude maintenance brigade as conventional fighting unit. Within current policy see no immediate role for brigade per se in PM ops as commandos or for building resistance mechanism Cuba. This brigade is at best de facto latent pool possible PM agent candidates if PM ops Are again initiated at pre-Oct 62 levels. Brigade offers no apparent FI potential and CI potential while being explored appears limited in scope. Realistically this means brigade must be settled, i.e., put back into private economy from which it came. This will in part be accomplished by new resettlement efforts which targeted against all Cuban refugees located Dade County. This effort however not sufficient in scope or depth solve these economic problems which are bound erode initial buoyancy and esprit de corps which brigade has shown since its release. Economic and family pressures will mount as time passes and labor market Dade County cannot absorb labor force which brigade represents. Resultant chaotic economic situation will then cause serious problems for AMBUD, KUBARK and ODYOKE. Suggest therefore there merit in establishing safety valve now and believe this can be done establishing army recruitment program designed get some significant part of brigade into Army Cuban training program. This obviously short term solution as WAVE has no insight into what DOD plans do with if Cuban army trainees once they finish basic training. If HQS has info regard this matter WAVE would appreciate expeditious receipt of this background info. Despite the fact recruitment brigade returnees into army only short term solution believe it worth pursuing as in our judgment such action will facilitate overall resettlement brigade members if for no other reason then it would stagger reinsertion brigade members into Dade County labor market. Suggest therefore HQS consideration alerting appropriate ODYOKE components re favorable aspects which inherent in using army Cuban recruitment program as resettlement device figure brigade returnees. If appropriate ODYOKE components agreed this worth doing it our opinion action would have to be taken start campaign among brigade returnees to publicize enlistment program. 4. Request HQS comment para 3. End of message

@John Geraghty where are you?

Bart, thank you very much. From above AMCORE link ———————— “AMCORE-2 was issued an operational approval for use in JMATE psych operations in September, 1960 and was contacted by Michael C Choaden (using alias Donald P. BARTON) and John P. Haskllstrom (using alias Fred Martins). ———————— Michael Choaden is David Atlee Phillips, or so I have read. @Bill Simpich Also of interest, Subject JMZIP or (presumably) KUCAGE is referenced as an individual instead of a routing indicator or staff unit, respectively, as identified at MFF.

Bart, thank you very much. From above AMCORE link ———————— “AMCORE-2 was issued an operational approval for use in JMATE psych operations in September, 1960 and was contacted by Michael C Choaden (using alias Donald P. BARTON) and John P. Haskllstrom (using alias Fred Martins). ———————— Michael Choaden is David Atlee Phillips, or so I have read. @Bill Simpich

Bump for edit, this ended up as a duplicate, below. Michael Choaden is David Atled Phillips, or so I have read.

Hi Karl, To be sure, I could not find the FB post from last year by Tosh. He might have said the 21st. I don’t recall what he has recounted over the years and on this forum.

@Jim Glover

Actually, David Healy raised that thread. You just replied to it.

It was a thread that you had raised, in the Larouche thread. It has since been hidden, and I have been asked to drop-it, so to speak. So I will leave it at that.

Yes you are. If Greer didn’t say that his ulcers were the result of a guilty conscience, then you insinuated it by your statement: “The question is, who told William Greer to slow down the limo on Elm Street in front of the concrete pergola? Who could have possibly told to him to do so? When was he told to do so? How was he convinced it was the right thing to do? FYI - Greer retired on disability from the Secret Service in 1966 due to a stomach ulcer that grew worse following the Kennedy assassination.”

Thank you Dr. Pope, but Dr. Clark, who stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night, believes that sugar and highly refined grains causes ulcers. Dr. Clark will, of course, have to have another well-considered stay at a Holiday Inn Express in order to be qualified to give a diagnosis as to Mr. Greer’s emotional state.

Official Military Personnel File of Goat, Billy https://catalog.archives.gov/id/40916044

Google translation of the above: Official request from the French government to the US for secret LSD experiments in the 1950s F. William Engdahl These days, a diplomatic and political scandal is emerging that could have a significant impact on US-French relations. He was triggered by new investigations of the mysterious outbreak of "mass madness" in a village in southern France, in which about 500 people fell ill and five died. According to reliable US sources, the Bureau of Intelligence and Research of the US State Department has received a confidential request from the office of Erard Corbin de Mangoux, head of the French foreign intelligence service DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure). According to reports, the request relates to the recently published account of the complicity of the US government in the mysterious outbreak of mass madness in the southern French village of Pont-Saint-Esprit in 1951. New revelations about the mysterious outbreak of madness in the French village of Pont-St-Esprit in 1951 indicate secret CIA LSD experiments. Nearly 500 people were affected at that time, at least five of them have died. For nearly 60 years, the incident of Pont-St.-Esprit was either attributed to ergot poisoning - allegedly, the villagers had eaten bread contaminated with mind-altering mold - or pushed for organic mercury poisoning. A recent book published in the United States alleges that, due to extensive interviews with now-retired US intelligence officials who were directly informed about the events in France in 1951, the unresolved outbreak of "mass madness" in the remote village Actually, this is a top-secret CIA experiment conducted as part of the CULT MKULTRA research program (as in ultra-secret). In his book, A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA's Secret Cold War Experiments, the investigative journalist H.P. Albarelli said the outbreak in Pont-St.-Esprit was due to a secret project led by the US Army's top secret Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, Maryland, where LSD was sprayed. According to him, scientists who hid the true cause of the incident with the wrong reasoning of contaminated bread or mercury poisoning worked for the pharmaceutical company Sandoz, which supplied both the US Army and the CIA with LSD for research purposes. A French newspaper reported bizarre incidents at the time: "It's neither Shakespeare nor Edgar Poe. It is - unfortunately! - The sad reality of Pont-St-Esprit and its surroundings, where horrible scenes of hallucinations that could have come straight from the Middle Ages, scenes of horror and pathos, full of dark shadows. "The American magazine Time Magazine, whose publisher Closely related to the CIA's propaganda activities in the 1950s, Henry Luce said: "Those affected were delirious: patients threw themselves back and forth on the bed, shouting in horror, red flowers sprouting from their bodies, their heads inside molten lead is transformed. Four suicide attempts were reported from the Pont-Saint-Esprit hospital. « According to Albarelli, on the website of the US Department of Justice on the dangers of LSD, in the early 1950s, "chemical company Sandoz went so far as to offer the US government LSD as a potential secret weapon of chemical warfare. His main selling point was that even a small amount could be added to the drinking water or sprayed in the air, disorienting a whole army of soldiers, psychotic and thus unable to fight. " According to him, the CIA proposed various proposals by American scientists to subdue a large amount of LSD to the water supply of a medium to large city, but according to former officials of the agency, "the experiment has never been approved because of the unexpected death toll from the operation in France ". As part of research on LSD as an offensive weapon, the US Army has been administering drugs to over 5,700 unsuspecting American military personnel between 1953 and 1965, according to Albarelli. Secret contracts with more than 325 colleges, universities, and research institutes in the US, Canada, and Europe together with the CIA led to extensive testing of another 2,500 people for LSD and other drugs, many of them hospitalized and college. Dr. Timo

Definitely not. I’ve never heard the like from Paul. It was obviously out of character and due to frustration.

Another “Whaddabout-da-Queen!” ism. More of your same-ole-same-ole.

Yes, there is a lot to follow there: Ray Cline is an interesting read from Anthony’s JCIS link: https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Ray_S._Cline And the rest of that list, from that link In 1981, the Jonathan Institute published the speeches in a book, International Terrorism: Challenge and Response, edited by Netanyahu.[7][8] Professor Benzion Netanyahu, Chairman: Opening Remarks. Shimon Peres, MK: The Threat and the Response. Paul Johnson: The Seven Deadly Sins of Terrorism. Hugh Fraser, MP: The Tyranny of Terrorism. Senator Henry M. Jackson: Terrorism as a Weapon in International Politics. Prime Minister Menachem Begin: Freedom Fighters and Terrorists. Ambassador Chaim Herzog, Chairman: Opening Remarks. Professor Richard Pipes: The roots of the Involvement. Brian Crozier: Soviet Support for International Terrorism. Maj. Gen Aharon Yariv: Arab State Support for Terrorism. Lord Chalfont: Overcoming the Climate of Appeasement. Dr Ray S. Cline: The Strategic Framework. Ambassador Gideon Rafael, Chairman: Opening Remarks. Senator John C. Danforth: Terrorism Versus Democracy David Barrett: The Threat of Terrorism in a Broader Concept. Robert Moss: The Terrorist State. Professor Mordecai Abir: The Arab World, Oil and Terrorism. Professor Edward Teller: The Spectre of Nuclear Terrorism. Professor Thomas C. Schelling: Can Nuclear Terrorism be Neutralized? Ambassador Asher Ben-Natan, Chairman: Opening Remarks. Joop Den Uyl, MP: The Dutch Response. Professor Annie Kriegel: Public Opinion, Intellectuals and Terrorism in Western Europe. Frank Cluskey, MP: The Irish Response. Representative Jack Kemp: The Unseen Hand. Piero Luigi Vigna: Italian Responses. Bayard Rustin: Democracy and Terrorism. George Will: Calculating the Public Interest. Gerhard Lowenthal: The Case of West Germany Michael Elkins: Caging the Beast. Norman Podhoretz: The Subtle Collusion. Midge Decter: The Need for Clarity. Ben Wattenberg: A Politics of Freedom is the Answer. Jacques Soustelle: Liberty or License? Justice Meir Shamgar, Chairman: Opening Remarks. Merlyn Rees: Terror in Ireland and Britain's Response. Harry van den Bergh MP: Maintaining the Balance. Mordecai Ben-Ari: Protecting the Airways. Professor Joseph W. Bishop: Legal Measures to Control Terrorism in Democracies. Dr Hans Josef Horchem: Pre-Empting Terror. Ambassador Manlio Brosio: Fighting Terror within the International Framework. Eric Blumenfeld, Member of Bundestag, "No" to Terrorism in any Guise. Lord Chalfont, Chairman: Opening Remarks. Lane Kirkland, President, AFL-CIO: Terrorism and the Gulag. Ambassador George H. W. Bush: The U.S. and the Fight Against International Terrorism. Maj. Gen. George Keegan, Jr: The Preferred Route. Maj. Gen. Shlomo Gazit: The Myth and Reality of the PLO. Vladimir Bukovsky: The Curse of Complicity. Lord Chalfont's Closing Remarks.[9]