Michael Clark

Without drawing conclusions or parallels, I feel that a study or discussion of Landsdale is incomplete without the Inclusion of Douglas MacArthur in that discussion.

Lemnitzer: from Wikipedia:

Post-Korean War

Later life and death

28 minutes ago, Jason Ward said:

Paul,

Apologies, I thought that's what you were implying.

Jason

This is the Trejo Virus at work. He's been saying 50 times a day, for five years that everyone else's has been saying, for 50 years, that the CIA-did-it, but acknowledges that all the perps were CIA, but, of course, they are "rogue CIA", so it doesn't count.

Pffffft

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2 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

This is the "original" post I was referring to Michael (Clark).

Yeah, Michael Walton  gets his feelings hurt, somewhere along the way, then he starts making up myths about claims you have made and things  you have posted. He has a few targets. Sandy and I are on his list. I have not yet identified the other members that he claims have earned a spot on his myth list, but he repeats the claims repeatedly enough that you know he has someone in mind. He gets hurt easily and bleeds forever. 

Chris Davidson is another.

9 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Regarding the original quote they also had no Closed Circuit TV  in 1963 to watch LANSDALE on in the basement two floors below the Carousel.  Ruby reputedly threw unruly/unacceptable patrons down second floor stairs acting as his own bouncer.  Documented somewhere.  Read it in an actual Book many years ago I believe.   

Nevermind, you are referring to Mark Henceroth's, er, I mean, Michael Walton's nonesense and misrepresentations. Ask him where he pulled the CCTV thing from; you may not want to know.

7 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Regarding the original quote they also had no Closed Circuit TV  in 1963 to watch LANSDALE on in the basement two floors below the Carousel.  Ruby reputedly threw unruly/unacceptable patrons down second floor stairs acting as his own bouncer.  Documented somewhere.  Read it in an actual Book many years ago I believe.   

What original quote? I must have missed the CCTV thing....

3 hours ago, Martin Blank said:

onsite facilitator

Agreed, and a unique nexus between the NE money, minds, and Bonesmen; and the Texas money and power brokers; and only an arms-length from the Cubans and their CIA contacts.

On August 31, 2017 at 1:09 AM, Ron Bulman said:

Ah,  the Carousel was on the second floor.

The phone lines may have run under ground.

On August 30, 2017 at 1:01 AM, Ron Bulman said:

Michael, 8 posts on 8 different threads in 7 hours 45 minutes.  How do you have the time or more importantly the expertise on each subject to develop these threads further.  If they are all important?  I don't have time to read them all

Landsdale was one bad dude. If JFK was only graised or wounded, more reckless action would have been brought in. I don't see any way around that unless you are a Lone nutter. This is what I think Landsdale was doing there. He was to manage the killing that needed to be done, handle psy-OP's, because that's what he does. And he would have Made the decision  ( 2 star CIA "General") regarding the point when things were beyond his control. Perhaps I demonstrate too much imagination with regard to how the situation might have cascaded out of control. It seems that no one ventures into that discussion. I don't assume that the potential for civil war is a joke. I don't assume that it was not planned-for.

33 minutes ago, Roger DeLaria said:

When you look at Lansdale's background and what he specialized in, there's no innocent reason for him being there. 

Absolutely Ron, at best he was saving himself from having to delete huge swathes of the populous.

That would have been his plan B-Z.

He may very-well have had his "finger on the codes" that would have done the damage which nukes could not be called-upon to do; because the targets were American.

22 minutes ago, Pamela Brown said:

Ask me anything. :-)

I want to ask you about your opinion on the windshield hole and your take on TMWKK smoking guns episode. It is off topic here but I'll ask you about it in another thread if that works for you.

Cheers,

Michael

1 hour ago, Lawrence Schnapf said:

This is really a silly thesis. Taking down a president is a very high risk action. If LBJ really wanted to eliminate JFK for the 1964 election, all he had to do was get his buddy Hoover to release the damaging info he had on JFK's womanizing and his health issues. this would have mortally wounded him in 1964. LBJ was too shrew a politician to engage in such a high risk tactic with no assurance it could be pulled off.    

Brilliant Lawrence. 

1 hour ago, Paul Trejo said:

So, even if Ed Lansdale was the man with his back to the camera, walking away as the Three Tramps marched forward, that still doesn't prove that Ed Lansdale was guilty of a plot to assassinate JFK.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

That's kind of like your theory that if 99.99% of CIA personnel, agents, operatives and assets were complicit in the assassination of JFK; that doesn't mean that the CIA did-it.

Yet if a handful of KKK and Birchers talked a bunch of trash, before 11-22-63, then Ruthie is a saint, and Marina never told a lie and Walker Did-it even though he was on a plane...... pffffft.

It's just one of those threads. It sits for 11 years without a reply. It has 159,000 views. 

Bump

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Pougkeepsie, Vassar, Millbrook, Sharon, 

This is a post that will be filled-out. I created this thread because it has a place in the thread linked here:

William Buckler Sr.... :

was buried in the Quaker Cemetery in Camden, South Carolina.

1 minute ago, Mark Knight said:

I believe Douglas Caddy has some insight on the YAF.

Yup.

William Buckley Sr.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Frank_Buckley_Sr.

William Frank Buckley Sr.

For other persons of like name, see William F. Buckley (disambiguation).

William Frank Buckley Sr. (July 11, 1881 – October 5, 1958) was an Americanlawyer and oil developer. He became influential in Mexican politics during the military dictatorship of Victoriano Huerta but was later expelled when Álvaro Obregón became president. He became wealthy due to his interests in oil exploration and speculation. Buckley was the father of ten children, including William F. Buckley, Jr., the author and founder of National Review magazine, and of James L. Buckley, a U.S. Senator from New York (1971–1977). He was the grandfather of Christopher Buckley, an author and humorist.

William Frank Buckley Sr.

BornWilliam Frank Buckley
July 11, 1881
Washington-on-the-Brazos, Texas, U.S.

DiedOctober 5, 1958 (aged 77)
New York City, New York, U.S.

Cause of deathStroke

Resting placeQuaker Cemetery, Camden, South Carolina, U.S.

ResidenceNew York City, New York, U.S.

NationalityAmerican

CitizenshipUnited States
Mexican

Alma materUniversity of Texas at Austin

OccupationLawyer, real estate/oil developer

Home townDuval County, Texas, U.S.

Spouse(s)Aloise Josephine Antonia Steiner
(1917-1958; his death)

Children10; including:
William F. Buckley, Jr.,
James L. Buckley,
Priscilla Buckley,
Patricia Buckley Bozell,
Reid Buckley

RelativesChristopher Buckley
(grandson)

Early life, parents and siblingsEdit

Buckley was born the fourth of eight children in Washington-on-the-Brazos, Texas, the son of Mary Anne (née Langford) and John C. Buckley. His parents had immigrated to Texas from Hamilton, Ontario, Canada[1] in 1874. Both of their families had immigrated to Canada from Ireland, from Limerick and Cork, respectively. Langford is a name of English or Norman origin, while Buckley is an anglicized version of the Gaelic Ó Buachalla, a surname quite common in County Cork.

In 1882, the family relocated from the declining town to San Diego, Duval County, Texas, where John Buckley was a businessman who worked in merchandising, politics and sheep raising. He was elected several times as Duval County Sheriff. After William Frank finished school, he taught Spanish-speaking pupils in a country school near Benavides. He retained a knowledge of and friendship with Spanish-speaking people his entire life.

EducationEdit

Buckley attended the University of Texas at Austin, where he received advanced credit for his Spanish language skills and acted as an assistant to a professor in the Romance languages department. He worked as a Spanish translator along with his sister, Priscilla Buckley, for the Texas General Land Office. He helped to found the University of Texas' Chapter of the fraternity Delta Tau Delta, Gamma Iota As a devout Catholic[citation needed], Buckley was part of an effort to purchase property near the University for the Newman Club.

After the death of his father in 1904, Buckley commissioned building a large house at Lavaca and 19th streets in Austin (now the site of the Cambridge Tower), where his mother lived until her death in 1930. He obtained a Bachelor of Science degree in 1904 from the University of Texas and his Bachelor of Lawsfrom the University of Texas Law School. In 1905 he was elected editor of the University of Texas Yearbook The Cactus. In 1909 Buckley received his license to practice law and was elected a member of the Texas Bar Association.

Personal life and familyEdit

In 1917, Buckley married Aloise Josephine Antonia Steiner, of New Orleans; she was of Swiss-German, and some Irish, ancestry. They had ten children: Aloïse, short story writer; John, oil business; Priscilla, a journalist; James, senator and judge; Jane, the non-writer; Bill, National Review founder; Patricia, Triumphmagazine collaborator; Reid, public speaking teacher; Maureen, oversaw National Review subscriptions; and Carol, another author. His ten children produced about 50 grandchildren.[2] Buckley supervised his children's educations to ensure they learned Spanish and French as well as excellent English. After living in Mexico and South America, the family lived for years in London, Paris, and the United States. The children attended private English and French Catholic schools when they lived abroad. During the 1920s, the Buckleys purchased properties called Great Elm in Sharon, Connecticut, and Kamchatka in Camden, South Carolina for homes when they lived in the United States.[citation needed]

Activities in MexicoEdit

In 1908, Buckley moved to Mexico and established himself as a lawyer. Together with his brother Claude, he founded the firm of Buckley & Buckley to represent major American and European oil companies operating in Mexico. In 1912, he opened an office with his other brother Edmund in Tampico. In 1913 Buckley founded and became President of the Pantepec Oil Company based in Tampico. In 1914 during tensions with the United States (US), President Huerta appointed Buckley counsel for a convention organized by Argentina, Brazil, and Colombia. The nations, known as the ABC Powers, were working to mediate relations between Mexico and the US because of their implications for Latin America. Buckley gave up his legal practice to speculate in real estate and leasing of oil lands.[citation needed]

In 1914 the US occupied Veracruz following an incident related to Mexicans' importing illegal German arms. Buckley refused an offer by President Woodrow Wilson to be appointed as acting civil governor of the Mexican State of Veracruz. In 1919 Buckley testified before the U.S. Senate Joint Subcommittee on Foreign Relations as an expert on conditions in Mexico.

He then founded the American Association of Mexico (AAM), a lobby groupworking to amend Article 27 of the Mexican Constitution of 1917 to remove recent restrictions on individual American ownership of land and oil rights. In 1921, the Mexican government expelled Buckley because of his AAM activity. Buckley reported on his expulsion to the U.S. Secretary of State in 1922. He donated his papers to the University of Texas in 1923. In 1924, President Plutarco Elías Calles invited Buckley to return to Mexico, but instead he transferred his Pantepec Oil Company to Venezuela.

Oil speculatorEdit

After he transferred his company to Venezuela, Buckley fully committed himself to oil exploration, where he was one of the first to use the "farm-out" system. This entailed Buckley's making agreements with some of the largest oil companies by which they would share profits on oil found on the land in return for sharing development costs. His first major deal was made with Standard Oilduring the 1930s, when a large oilfield was discovered on Pantepec's Venezuelan lands. During his career, Buckley was primarily interested in unexplored territory. In 1946 he began developing his holdings into separate companies. His operations became international with holdings in Canada, Florida, Ecuador, Australia, the Philippines, Israel and Guatemala.[citation needed]

DeathEdit

While traveling between Paris and New York City in September 1958, Buckley suffered a stroke while aboard the S.S. United States, where he was given the Viaticum or Last Rites. He died in Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City on October 5, 1958 and was buried in the Quaker Cemetery in Camden, South Carolina.[citation needed]

ReferencesEdit

 [1]

 Daniel McCarthy. "Conservatism’s First Family". Retrieved March 18, 2014.

External linksEdit

William F. Buckley, Sr.: An Inventory of His Papers at the Benson Latin American Collection

William Frank Buckley from the Handbook of Texas Online

The recent "far-right" did-it threads have drawn me towards the culpability of William Buckley Jr.

Firing Line. William F. Buckley Vs. Mark Lane.

The only existing YAF thread on EF is a wall of text, for better or for worse. ( the only thread I have found).

The YAF deserves a  place in the JFKA assassination debate. I think the aforementioned "wall" has served the purpose that, on a forum, walls serve.

I'll try to restart that discussion. Here is the previous "debate";