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56 minutes ago, David Josephs said:
"Reading" as you illustrate so well, is not the same as "comprehending"...
As for Lopez... you mean to say people said one thing and meant another in this case ??? Especially when it meant appeasing Hoover... ?
As for Jim's understanding of Ruth versus your painful explanations of same... your credibility and insight is woefully lacking and without defenders or supporters despite the years...
You go on hoping someone will take up your cause and reading other's work... the rest of us will just keep producing the work from which you may learn some day.
I think he probably comprehends just fine. He chooses to interpret the information illogically IMO. I've got all three of your books Jim, multiple page corners folded or pages flagged w/small post it notes, underlined/highlighted passages. All are important and informative. Nobody walks on water, we're all human and make mistakes somewhere from time to time. Destiny Betrayed in particular is one of the to 5 books on the assassination I have or have read.
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Hi Gene. In addition to all you mentioned I was somewhat stunned by his duplicity reading Dr. Newman's JFK and Vietnam last week (still not finished). While he was espousing reforms and continuing to cozy up to Diem, and JFK regarding the Ambassadorship he did the following way back in 1961. (pg. 49)
"was the first document to recommend a U.S. troop commitment to Vietnam during the Kennedy administration, was written by Edward Lansdale".
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I'm no Paine or any other kind of expert. This was evidenced when the license plate number came up for discussion on Chris Newton's Where's Ruth's Couch Thread. I mentioned something I'd read once elsewhere, that Marina saw it out the bedroom window. Chris corrected me by pointing out that if it couldn't be seen from the living room if the car was sitting in front of the house because of the angle the same would be true from the bedroom. Another thing discussed there relates here. The front door to back door sight line. If Ruth was talking to Hosty at the front door Marina would have been seen by him if she tried to slip out the back door and go around the house where she could see it.
There are multiple possibilities but it's obvious if it was in Oswalds handwriting in his address book he, Marina or Ruth one saw it at some time. Has it been established that Marinna or Ruth could not have seen it as Hosty was pulling away? In Chris thread it was mentioned by you Jim and or Chris that there is the possibility that the FBI made more than two visits to, or close to the Paine residence. We know Hoover stopped the FBI investigation as soon as he became "convinced" they had their man, and, that he reprimanded multiple agents for their actions / not folliowing his directions to the "T". Given his disposition towards the Warren Omission why would anyone possibly think Hoover revealed everything the FBI knew about Oswald?
On one of the two recorded visits Hosty parked down the street. A tactic used for observation of the coming, going and activities of suspects. If the FBI was keeping perhaps closer tabs on Oswald than they admitted maybe they already knew where he worked. Might they have not followed him and Fraizer home one Friday evening to see where he went on the weekends. Could they have parked down the street to watch and see if he left again, with someone else, or if anyone visited him while he was there? If Lee did have any intelligence training it would have included awareness of your surroundings. If he went out in the front yard might he have not noticed a vehicle not normally seen in the neighborhood parked a house or two away, especially if it was a government sedan and/or someone was sitting in it?
I think Marina testified as she was told and rehearsed to or at a minimum told them what she thought they wanted to hear, the truth or not. I think she was scared, confused and didn't want to go back to Russia. I've read that someone on the Warren Omission said word's to the effect that her testimony was "all over the place", much of it useless. Yes Ruth might have tried to ingratiate herself with Oswald by writing down and the license number and giving it to him. Marina may have followed his instructions to do so.
As far as the article itself it seems Jenner stonewalled Ms. Meagher in her effort to resolve this issue. That didn't stop her from writing one of the most important books on the assassination ever.
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On 10/1/2006 at 6:21 AM, Wim Dankbaar said:
Indeed very interesting.
It's so clear he is lying. Harvey and Lansdale were in charge of Operation Mongoose, which had the sole task to assassinate Castro. Yet he claims he had no knowledge of assassination attempts against Castro.
It's a pity that Belin didn't ask him where he was on 11/22/1963. But then again, knowing that it's Belin, and that the Commission is Rockefeller , it all makes sense.
I wish that like you, I had had the opportunity to talk to Holt when he was alive. Did he not tell you about the Mongoose meeting at Bermuda Dunes airport with Harvey, Giancana, Roselli Licavoli etc?
You asked him if he saw Lansdale on Dealey Plaza . Do you recall what he said?
Wim
Not to get into Files here but I never knew Harvey and Lansdale worked on Mongoose together. Any evidence for this claim?
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On 9/30/2006 at 10:36 PM, William Kelly said:
Summary of Lansdale's depositon before Rock Com. from Ford Library - B. Kelly
LANSDALE, EDWARD G.
Deposition of Edward G. Lansdale, Friday, May 16, 1975
NLF MR Case No. 93-16. Document No. #8
Questioned by Rockefeller Commission counsel David Belin.
Declassified 8/4/94
Lansdale identifies himself as Major General USAF, retired in late October, 1963. As Dept. Asst. to Sec. of Defense Thomas Gates, in the Eisenhower administration, Lansdale held the title of Deputy Assistant to SOD for Special Operations and assisted in the early planning of what became the Bay of Pigs.
In the Kennedy administration, as Special Operations assistant to McNamara, Lansdale coordinated counter-insurgency planning and operations for all the military services.
In the fall of 1961 JFK asked him to look into the Cuban situation, with the Attorney General Robert Kennedy as the chief intermediary, although he occasional reported directly to the president. His report, Lansdale said, is part of JFK’s personal papers.
Until the October 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, Lansdale was a member of the Special Group Augmented, aka MOONGOOSE. Early in 1962, Lansdale surveyed the refugee organizations primarily in Florida.
Lansdale denied any k knowledge of assassination planning or attempts to kill Castro.
Lansdale attended an August 10, 1962 meeting at the office of the Secretary of Defense. A report of this meeting is referred to as Helms Exhibit No. 17, dated August 13, 1962.
At Lansdale’s request, a Colonel Stakeley came in the October 4th meeting, chaired by RFK, and first reported preparations for missile sites in Cuba.
In regards to anti-Castro Cuban harassment raids against Cuba, Lansdale said that they would have been against the President’s policy after October 1962, and that of those individuals he knew who was working on such operations, a CIA office he referred to as “Mr. Harvey” would have been the person most likely to have initiated such raids.
“I remember most clearly from ’62 was the fact that it was definitely against the top executive policy to carry out harassing raids in Cuba, and I had exacted a promise and had give instructions in writing to CIA to cease and desist on that, not carry them out…There might have been individuals there who would inclined to know better than an outsider, and they might attempt something, but it’s just a feeling I had. I have not been able to pin it down specifically.”
Q. With reference to any particular individuals?
A. It might have been Harvey. It might have been such a person.
Q. You mean Harvey might have done something you feel without direction from above?
A. Possibly so. That is why I gave him directions in writing. It was just a gut feeling I had dealing with him. With his Deputy, with his bosses there. I had no such feeling and I just singled out an individual and I thought, just be doubly sure, I should do that. Now it might have been a personal attitude of his or something that caused that and nothing specific in proof of it.
Q. Apart from Mr. Harvey, whom you singled out as an individual, did you have any other experience which I might indicate that the CIA would not follow directions to curtail an activity in those directions.
A. Not really.”
Lansdale added that his testimony should be kept secret because his involvement in Cuban operations should not become known to the governments in Southeast Asia, and he wanted placed into the record the fact that he was against massive U.S. military buildup in Vietnam and advised against it.
Isn't it amazing. David Belin did such a good job on the Warren Omission they brought him back 12 years later for Rock Y Feller Commission. Thank yew, appointed president and former warren omissioner Jerry Ford.
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On 9/9/2017 at 9:01 AM, David Andrews said:
Even innocent me owns a pair of fake glasses. And people who don't want to be recognized put on their readers or little-used prescription lenses all the time.
Me too David.
Lansdale in Dealy Plaza is a conundrum for me. I think Fletcher Prouty is a credible source, especially in this case with Krulack's back up. But, like Morales, I have a hard time seeing him being there close enough to be identified much less photographed. He was a Brigadier General after all was he not?
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14 hours ago, Michael Walton said:
I find it very hard to believe that any of the generals could have been involved in the murder. For all of their bluster, it would have taken a lot of planning and manipulating to get all of the pieces in place, including hooking up LHO with the White Russian community after he returned from the USSR and so on.
There could have been very hushed rumors going around among them and the government itself about the impending murder, but the actual mechanics of getting it done was IMO a much smaller affair, not some big showy event with the generals manned at their phones commanding people down in NO and Dallas to get LHO to hand out flyers in NO, to get him the job in Dealey, etc.
I think Simpich's State Secret pretty much shows all of those mechanics taking place, so who needed Lemintzer or LeMay doing this or how could they even have been involved? It was totally unnecessary anyway. Although State Secret does not show the ultimate smoking gun - documentation showing who pulled the trigger in the crossfire - it's obvious that somewhere along the way, this plan was piggy-backed to change who the assassination target was going to be.
I just cannot see any of the generals being involved.
I can see one. I can't see the Joint Chiefs of Staff planning, organizing and executing the execution. Not even conclusive prior knowledge, except one. One with known animosity towards JFK, as well as having CIA connections. One who could be approached by those orchestrating the assassination through the CIA to ensure no world wide response from the Air Force, as well as having influence with the other JCS. One who would rush to Bethesda for the autopsy from points unknown on 11/22/63. To help control it? For who?
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30 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:
Steve - We are in the same page. So was JFK, who feared this very scenario. You and I have shared info on the reserve units, and the makeup of the motorcade, and were struck in particular by how many army reservists, colonels etc were around, Jack Crichton in particular stands out. You dug up stuff on Colonel Brandstetter (Army) and then discovered in his book Our Man in Acapulco that Phillipe de Vosjoli hightailed it to Acapulco to stay with 'Brandy' immediately after the assassination. Talking about possible connections to Europe and Gladio. Btw Walker was Army, and Lemnitzer was called in to talk to Congress about Walker after the 'Blue' incident that got Walker 'fired' (actually reassigned but he chose to quit and forego his pension. No big deal for a friend of H L Hunt). So clearly Walker was no stranger to Lemnitzer. I also discovered that the snake in the Vietnamese grass who stabbed JFK in the back metaphorically speaking, Cabot Lodge, was ex Army Colonel. Of course none of this precludes Lansdale or others who were from other branches. Thanks Ron for pointing out that Dulles was Lansdale's patron.
Your welcome Paul, I'm in over my head but please elaborate further. Lodge and as Jim D mentioned LeMay's CIA ties seem particularly interesting for some reason.
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LeMay, Lansdale and the CIA.
"but he had powerful allies in the CIA, and his professional patron was the Agency's director, Allen Dulles.6 Lansdale even owed his promotion to Brigadier General to Dulles, who had intervened with Air Force Chief of Staff Curtis LeMay to bring it about". Pg. 4, JFK and Vietnam, John Newman.
Further,
"the general was invited to attend a meeting in the president's office. Present were Johnson, Rusk, McNamara, Lemnitzer, and Dulles. ... Kennedy, motioning to Rusk, then asked Lansdale, "Has the secretary here mentioned that I wanted you to be ambassador to Vietnam?" Lansdale replied that it would be an honor. Pg. 5. (wanted not want?)
Yet Rusk offered his resignation if Lansdale was made Operations Officer of the Presidential Task Force on Vietnam???
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Nothing compared to your situation but I write this slightly sedated after hernia surgery. After the lunchroom encounter I look forward to another interesting and informative read. Tempting to scroll down to Wade and Alexander in particular. This provides balance as I've finally made good progress in JFK and Vietnam by John Newman the last couple of days.
Get well soon, Ron.
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On 9/3/2017 at 8:26 AM, Micah Mileto said:
https://nypost.com/2017/09/02/da-no-evidence-reporter-investigating-jfk-assassination-was-murdered/
First read I passed right over "drugged, possibly by mafia associates". I also don't remember reading anything about the mafia as suspects.
I'm no kind of legal expert but as the Manhattan DA is basically stonewalling I guess any appeal for action from the New York Attorney general would be useless?
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While they digress, here's another relevant Forum discussion on Lansdale providing deeper background. If you read enough of it you find in prior operations he had operatives who organized assassination teams. He did not participate in the hits himself though he planned them.
Having the "promised" ambassadorship by JFK taken away by him could have motivated Lansdale to cooperate with others in the Military or CIA who disagreed with JFK's performance and perceived weakness on Communism among other issues. His handling of the Japanese gold in the Philippines endeared him with the Dulles/Georgetown/Wallstreet set.
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On 9/3/2017 at 3:08 PM, James DiEugenio said:
In this review, I discuss all three authors on the Kilgallen case and what Kilgallen had achieved on the JFK assassination.
https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/was-dorothy-kilgallen-murdered-over-the-jfk-case
The DA's office is afraid to take on the Kilgallen case. Somebody got to them.
The same somebody that killed her? Even if her story would not have "solved" the case, e.g. implicated any persons or organizations further up the chain, she was by all appearances murdered. By who? Why? Her note's did disappear even if they didn't name a say Dulles or Angleton. To shut her up before what she had found out led any further? I take no issue on any point in your article, it is excellent, but these questions still exist for me.
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Here's a classic take on Ricky White. Worth watching for Harold Weisberg , the cheesiness of White and Bill Oreilly's Mockingbird performance. Didn't he finally get fired recently? (I couldn't resist)
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9 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:
Those of us who founded the modern Conservative Movement in the 1950s had no idea that in doing so we were awakening an evil sleeping giant who in the best interests of mankind should be left alone to slumber undisturbed. I often wonder what William F. Buckley would be saying today. Just before he died I visited with Marvin Liebman who foresaw what was happening and bitterly remarked that “Lenin was right.” I know my college friend, David Franke, with whom I founded the National Student Committee for the Loyalty Oath in 1959, has serious misgivings about the way things turned out. In my legal file above I make clear my own viewpoint with the three following sentences:
“So Black and Manafort and Stone, sad to say, are ethically challenged by-products of the modern conservative movement which decades ago was taken over by opportunists and sociopaths.”
“I left Washington, D.C. in 1979 and moved to Texas once I recognized the bizarre and dangerous direction that the conservative movement was coming to embrace.”
“Liberals rejoiced with Nixon being forced to resign the presidency but the immediate result was the rise of the radical right with Black, Manafort and Stone being formed as a lobbying/PR firm and the extreme right-wing oligarch Joseph Coors founding the Heritage Foundation, headed by Edwin Feulner, and the Committee for a Free Congress, headed by Paul Weyrich.”
If Nixon were alive today, he most likely would be a card carrying member of the ACLU as am I. He might even be a Democrat. His removal from office in a coup that at its center was conceived and controlled by the CIA and Military Intelligence left a vacuum into which the radical right and the white supremacists stepped in.
I wonder if the liberals in driving Nixon from office realized that in doing so they were opening the door for the radical right to take total control of one of our two major political parties with the end result being the disaster that we face today?
Thank you for your candor Mr. Caddy.
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There was a link a few months back, I thought on this site to an article about Stone. I can't find it now but it mentioned the Nixon tattoo on his back and, I believe a paining of him hanging over his bed. That's just creepy. Kind of like the Committee to RE Elect the President.
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1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:
As an attorney you should be advised that all three witnesses regarding the dust/shells may have been coached before their testimony regarding it.
This has been discussed in depth either here or on other websites.
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In the last 20 years we've seen multiple occasions of past Presidents appearing together, up to four at a time. Such was not common in 1963.
What are the odd's? JFK and LBJ ere not supposed to travel together per Secret Service protocol. But they did. They arrived in Dallas the morning of 11/22/63. Former VP and future POTUS Nixon left that morning after the Pepsi Convention the night before. Bush 1 left that morning (?) after a Congressional campaign speech the night before. JFK and Nixon had no real connections to Dallas. LBJ and Bush a few. Odd all of them were there that morning.
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A GHWB and DeM connection is intriguing but nothing other than both being in the Dallas Petroleum Club I've read. Anyone please educate me on more.
Ehh. Him in the Dealy Plaza picture is a likely rabbit hole. Preface, he did stay the night before 11/21/63 in Dallas and speak to a Oil field tool companies convention as part of his unsuccessful Congressional campaign.
It's not impossible he went from DP to Redbird airport and flew to Tyler to have the opening remarks of his campaign speech there interrupted by news of JFK's death.
Then again there is Hoovers brief of "Bush". And he did go on to become head of the CIA, as well as POTUS.
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2 hours ago, Lawrence Schnapf said:
and they were moving dusty book boxes all morning. i would think dust from ceiling would fall on his head....
As an attorney you should be advised that all three witnesses regarding the dust/shells may have been coached before their testimony regarding it.
This has been discussed in depth either here or on other websites.
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27 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:
Yeah, Michael Walton gets his feelings hurt, somewhere along the way, then he starts making up myths about claims you have made and things you have posted. He has a few targets. Sandy and I are on his list. I have not yet identified the other members that he claims have earned a spot on his myth list, but he repeats the claims repeatedly enough that you know he has someone in mind. He gets hurt easily and bleeds forever.
Chris Davidson is another.
Please be specific about claims I have made / things I've posted. Didn't know I was the other Michaels target, naïve of me again.
Regarding getting hurt easily and bleeding forever maybe this will draw more attention to Lansdale in Dealy Plaza.
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On 8/30/2017 at 6:01 AM, Michael Walton said:
Haha this is the funniest post of the week and I often wonder about that too.
As for Lansdale (and Bush, Hoover, and Hunt for that matter) why on Earth would they risk being in Dealey by being exposed via film or photo?
You would think the entire government was there that day perhaps down in Ruby's nightclub basement watching the action live on CC television ha.
This is the "original" post I was referring to Michael (Clark).
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6 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:
What original quote? I must have missed the CCTV thing....
Now I get it. Maybe.
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11 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:
The phone lines may have run under ground.
Regarding the original quote they also had no Closed Circuit TV in 1963 to watch LANSDALE on in the basement two floors below the Carousel. Ruby reputedly threw unruly/unacceptable patrons down second floor stairs acting as his own bouncer. Documented somewhere. Read it in an actual Book many years ago I believe.
Betzner makes sudden appearance
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted · Edited by Ron Bulman
Jack White passed away a few years back.
I think his files are at Baylor University in Waco Tx now, though that probably doesn't help.