Tony Krome

Foster CD 897. He heard a voice from the motorcade "get out of here" and immediately surveilled the area but could not see the west side of the overpass and White due to the train.

No, two trains are implied. White said the train he saw was heading NORTH. Foster said the train he saw was heading SOUTH

Lets take that further. There's two people on the pedestal. Zapruder is close to the front edge, pivoting with a camera. He hears a shot, sees the reaction from JFK, keeps filming, he hears another shot, JFK's "head opens up", he keeps filming all the way to the underpass. He's supposedly on zoom, the gunshots, the reactions, the head opening up didn't phase him. If he was "lured", I'd say he was forewarned to expect carnage. Zapruder was composed on that pedestal. He knew as he panned that the President was as good as dead; "I was walking toward--back toward my office and screaming, "They killed him, they killed him" An effort worthy of a wartime photographer on the front line

Lillian said that Zapruder phoned her at 8pm Friday night from Eastman Kodak, and told her, "your not going to believe this, mine is the only film of the assassination." Where did that information come from?

Paul, Lillian (Zapruder's wife) said that he came home for the camera. Lillian: "He came running home to get his camera". So we can discount his wife, otherwise, it would be "I told my wife I was going to get the whole view" "Them" would be 2 people or more that he told at the same time before filming. I have considered the Hesters, but they were right there and it would be obvious to them that the Stemmon's Sign would be in the way. So saying that to them and then choosing a place where the sign was an obstacle just seems nonsensical. Why would Zapruder then relay what he said to the Hesters to Liebeler? The context in the way he told Liebeler is very strange. He's almost apologetic.

What do you make of Zapruder's testimony below where they are talking about the Stemmons Sign? Who was them that Zapruder told that he (Zapruder) was going to get the whole view? Abbreviated version, and without Liebeler's interuption; Mr. LIEBELER - ......It appears that a sign starts to come in the picture ..... Mr. ZAPRUDER - Yes; there were signs there ... I told them I was going to get the whole view and I must have neglected one part ....... Here is the complete version; Mr. LIEBELER - Now, I've got a list of them here that I want to ask you about--picture 207 and turn on over to this picture. It appears that a sign starts to come in the picture--there was a sign in the picture. Mr. ZAPRUDER - Yes; there were signs there also and trees and-somehow--I told them I was going to get the whole view and I must have. Mr. LIEBELER - But the sign was in the way? Mr. ZAPRUDER - Yes; but I must have neglected one part--I know what has happened--I think this was after that happened- -something had happened. It appears Zapruder, prior to filming, told people that he was going to capture an unimpeded view of the motorcade as it went down Elm St, but he neglected one part, the Stemmons Sign. Thoughts?

Jamey is on the right track, the Z-film is a template. Look at the other films of Elm street and we see a series of synchronised snippets. Gene, I would say the whole of Dealey Plaza was closely monitored. Jean Hill was informed that afternoon that a bullet struck by her feet by someone at the Sheriff's office, and we saw Featherstone make a beeline for Moorman's camera. They were watching Jean and Mary closely, and no doubt everybody. Another example was Holmes with his binoculars watching the Hesters from the Post Office building.

The key is that Jean Hill knew there was something white on the seat between the Kennedys. She filled out her affidavit that afternoon, stating she saw something white, before she could have known that Jackie was in the possession of that white stuffed toy. Jean Hill was right there, very close to the limo, yelling for their attention, so that Mary could take a photo; Mrs. HILL - The President's car. We were standing on the curb and I jumped to the edge of the street and yelled, "Hey, we want to take your picture," to him and he was looking down in the seat---he and Mrs. Kennedy and their heads were turned toward the middle of the car looking down at something in the seat [Jackie's white stuffed toy she thought was a white dog as per affidavit] Here is a possible scenario around the sign sequence in the Z-film; JFK was waving to the right, he brings down his arm as he and jackie momentarily look down at the gifts between them, Jean Hill yells out, the first boom was heard and a deflected bullet enters JFK's neck, then he raises both arms to his neck.

This would be the view perspective for Jean Hill to see the white stuffed toy and hand on knee.

Do you have a source for that?

Reading below, one is left with the impression that the expelled matter from the fatal head shot landed in multiple directions: Hargis; “When Kennedy was shot in the head, brain matter and blood and stuff had all come over and hit me as I rode through it." "Bud Brewer says, ‘Bob, you got something on your lip.’ And he flicked at it, and it was a piece of Kennedy’s brain and a piece of skull bone." Kellerman; Mr. KELLERMAN. Senator, between all the matter that was--between all the matter that was blown off from an injured person, this stuff all came over. Senator COOPER. What was that? Mr. KELLERMAN. Body matter; flesh. Connally; "Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail"

Kilduff gave the game away at Parkland, so we have indications that a bullet struck the right temple. We also know from Parkland doctors that there was a large right rear occipital exit wound. The Tolson/Belmont report has a bullet lodged behind the right ear, so I would think that bullet would not be the bullet you believe "disintegrated". The Tolson/Belmont report also has the Secret Service, on Friday night, in possession of another bullet that struck JFK. A "lodged" bullet would imply it was pressed into interior bone behind the right ear. You have a frontal shot that entered where? right temple? but disintegrated with no exit (not lodged bullet) Then you have another bullet entering where? Do you have it exiting out the occipital wound?

Hickey: The first shot of the second two seemed as if it missed because the hair on the right side of his head flew forward and there didn't seem to be any impact against his head Hickey reported hair movement but no head movement at the time of the first flurry shot.

We have a boom eyewitness, it was associated with a flash of light and smoke. The majority of earwitnesses speak of fireworks. Do professional assassins use weapons that reveal their position with Hollywood type effects? The Grassy Knoll has had a 50 year run with nothing to show.

Altgens could see the motorcade on Main coming towards him at the very same moment he saw the ambulance go through the underpass. The ambulance notified dispatch that they were on the way to Parkland at 12:24. The text you supplied suggests Lumpkin was at Elm/Houston at 12:27/28. Therefore Altgens saw Lumpkin's pilot car coming towards him on Main as the ambulance departed. Maybe Lumpkin heard the transmissions about the ambulance and stopped at Elm/Houston to get more info.

Harkness was on the ball. He directed a squad to question the chap that had the "seizure". Something seemed off to him.

Why did the dispatcher suggest a police squad meet the ambulance at Parkland, and why did the ambulance crew agree?

Not an exact fit, but gives a general idea;

Now look at the Moorman photo, or the Altgens 6 photo. Just how close would you have to be to see that white object sitting down on the seat, and see it long enough to guess that it was dog shaped. I'm imagining a slow limo within 10 to 15 feet. She even saw knees; Mr. SPECTER - How would you describe the position of his hands? Mrs. HILL - He was sitting here [indicating] and Mrs. Kennedy---he was like this [indicating]. Mr. SPECTER - You are indicating the right hand on the left knee? Mrs. HILL - Yes.

The background was Moorman's polaroid. Fuzzy, but at least a good Jean Hill perspective

Thats ok. For what its worth, I imagine Jean Hill had this scene in mind when she described it to Specter. The scene includes a lot of people, the limo approaching, and the TSBD.

If you refer to the picture I supplied, which would be generally where Hill was, then across the road to the north and north/east would be the "Stemmons People" and the "Mannequin People" Importantly, in the context of how she described those people, is when she was looking up Elm Street watching the limo come towards her: "I was so afraid he was going to look the other way because there were a lot of people across the street" Jean Hill is looking north/east at the limo, and she is worried that he may look at the people across the street rather than her. So in her north/east field of view, there is both the people across the street and the limo.

This may help

Mr Butler, is he referring to the left rear hubcap reflection in Moorman?

Bill Newman interview by Griggs, Law and Rowe; "... when the first two shots rang out. And it was a boom boom. They were very close together, and I remember thinking, Boy, thats a poor thing to do. I thought someone had thrown a couple of fireworks at the President's car". Similar to Toni Foster. The first thing she heard was "click click, they were just that fast". A similar flurry of noises were heard about 5 seconds later by Kellerman and others.