Robert Morrow

Sandy, didn't Oswald make a detailed report on the radio factory where he was working at? He was a (lowly paid) spy for the CIA just as his mother Marguerite Oswald was making abundantly clear in the early months after the JFK assassination. Didn't the CIA's Pete Bagley in 2012 conclude that Oswald was a WITTING asset/agent of the CIA? Longtime CIA officer Pete Bagley had some very interesting things to say about Oswald to JFK researcher Malcolm Blunt in 2012: “OH NO, HE HAD TO BE WITTING!” (that is a witting, willing asset/agent of the CIA) QUOTE It was during a meeting in 2012, that the most telling moment in their relationship took place. Malcolm Blunt laid out in front of Pete Bagley, piece by piece, the documents demonstrating the capture of the Oswald paper trail by the Security Office Security Research Staff (SRS) after Oswald’s defection in 1959. Bagley carefully examined the documentation. He was especially interested in the details reported by H.C. Eisenbess in 1976, on the Office of Central Reference (OCR) dissemination of non-CIA documents - discussed at length in a previous section of this chapter. At this point, the same switch that had turned on in Bagley’s brain when Kondrashev told him that that the Polyakov defection sequence was no coincidence, turned on again. And so, Bagley, right out of the blue, put the following question to Blunt: “Okay, was he witting or unwitting?” Bagley knew Malcolm would have no trouble understanding who “he” [Oswald] was. Blunt replied, “You can’t ask me that question, how would I know?” At this and, raising his voice, Bagley responded, “No, No, you have to know! Was he witting or unwitting?” Challenged in this manner, Malcolm had little choice but to proffer a guess. With some reluctance he replied, “Okay, unwitting.” With even firmer emphasis Bagley countered, “OH NO - HE HAD TO BE WITTING!” Malcolm believes that these were Bagley’s thoughts that resulted from suddenly seeing the documents that had been withheld from SRD: “Yes, I think in that instant he saw that this high school dropout, a nothing, a nobody, may have indeed been utilized.” By many observers, Pete Bagley was considered the “best counterintelligence analyst of the cold war era,” as the International Journal of Intelligence and Counterintelligence later said about him. He had served as Chief of Counterintelligence in the CIA’s Soviet Russia Division (SRD/CI) and Deputy Chief of SRD and been Nosenko’s case officer. His reaction to the documents that Blunt showed him was a telling moment. It was, as Malcolm told me and Alan Dale later, “a significant departure from Bagley’s normal cautious phrasings.” Bagley said nothing more at the time. When asked about no mention of Oswald in Spymaster, Malcolm recalls “he went sideways and I didn’t press him.” Malcolm’s moment with Bagley that day reminds of of the day I was sitting across the table from Jane Roman, the liaison officer for James Angleton. Just as Malcolm had done with Bagley, I was showing her documents one at a time. When I asked her what she thought of the untrue statement about the CIA paper trail on Oswald in the HQS cable to Mexico Station in October 1963, she replied: “Well, to me, it’s indicative of a keen interest in Oswald, held very closely on a need-to-know basis.” The chains moved down the field that moment with Roman. And they moved again during Blunt’s moment with Bagley. UNQUOTE [John Newman, Countdown to Darkness: The Assassination of President Kennedy, Volume II, pp. 29-30] Tennent H. “Pete” Bagley – CIA officer – obituary in the Washington Post – Bagley dies on Feb. 20, 2014 at the age of 88 Washington Post obituary: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/tennent-h-pete-bagley-noted-cia-officer-dies-at-88/2014/02/24/b2880bf2-9d6c-11e3-a050-dc3322a94fa7_story.html NYT obituary - https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/us/politics/tennent-h-bagley-who-aided-then-mistrusted-a-soviet-spy-dies-at-88.html

Lyndon Johnson's Motive for the JFK Assassination. Lyndon Johnson would regularly make death threats in reference to Robert Kennedy which happened to be quite similar to what LBJ told his mistress Madeleine Brown on the morning of the JFK assassination as she relates in her book: "That son-of-a-bitch crazy Yarborough and that goddamn f____g Irish mafia bastard Kennedy, will never embarrass me again!" LBJ would say that is a promise and not a threat. Bobby Baker, LBJ's right hand man and bagman, predicted a VIOLENT DEATH for John Kennedy on inauguration day of January 20, 1961. Bobby Baker was telling this to DON REYNOLDS who at the exact moment a bullet was going into JFK's head, was giving closed door testimony on Lyndon Johnson's corruption for the Senate Rules Committee to Burkett van Kirk, who was the GOP counsel for the Republicans on the Senate. The Kennedys were working with the Senate Republicans to take down LBJ because Johnson was too close to the Democrats. Burkett van Kirk conirms that Robert Kennedy was feeding damaging information on Lyndon Johnson's corruption to the Senate Rules Committee in fall, 1963, in attempt to destroy LBJ. The Kennedys were working with the Republicans on the Senate Rules Committee to take down LBJ because LBJ was too close to the Democrats. SEYMOUR HERSH: QUOTE In a series of interviews for this book, Burkett Van Kirk, who was chief counsel in 1963 for the Republican minority on the Rules Committee, told me of his personal knowledge of Bobby Kennedy's direct intervention. "Bobby was feeding information to 'whispering Willie'" - the nickname for Senator John Williams. "They" - the Kennedy brothers, Van Kirk said - "were dumping Johnson.." Williams, as he did earlier with Donald Reynolds's information about Lyndon Johnson, relayed the Kennedy materials to the senior Republican on the Rules Committe, Carl Curtis. The attorney general thus was secretly dealing with Williams, and Williams was dealing secretly with Curtis and Van Kirk. The scheming was necessary, Van Kirk told me, because he and his fellow Republicans understood that a full-fledged investigation into Bobby Baker could lead to the vice president. They also understood, he said, that the chances of getting such an investigation where slim at best. The Democrats had an overwhelming advantage in the Senate - sixty-seven to thirty-three - and in every committee. The three Republicans on the ten member Rules Committee, Van Kirk said, had little power. "We never won one vote to even call a witness," he told me. The investigation into Bobby Baker and Lyndon Johnson would have to be done in a traditional manner - by newspaper leak. Van Kirk, who was named after his grandfather Senator E. J. Burkett of Nebraska, said that Bobby Kennedy eventually designated a Justice Department lawyer that fall to serve as an intermediary to the minority staff; he began supplying the Republicans with documents about Johnson and his financial dealings. The lawyer, Van Kirk told me, "used to come up to the Senate and hang around me like a dark cloud. It took him about a week or ten days to, one, find out what I didn't know, and two, give it to me." Some of the Kennedy-supplied documents were kept in Williams's office safe, Van Kirk said, and never shown to him. There was no doubt of Bobby Kennedy's purpose in dealing with the Republicans, Van Kirk said: "To get rid of Johnson. To dump him. I am as sure of that the sun comes up in the east." UNQUOTE [Seymour Hersh, The Dark Side of Camelot, pp. 406-407] Burkett Van Kirk on how Don Reynolds had the proof of Lyndon Johnson’s corruption as he testified to a closed session of the Senate Rules Committee in the morning of November 22, 1963. Van Kirk was interviewed in the History Channel’s documentary LBJ vs. The Kennedys: Chasing Demons and it aired on June 1, 2003. Burkett Van Kirk: QUOTE Don presented a good case. He could back it up. Everything he had, he had a receipt for. It’s hard to argue with a receipt. Or a cancelled check. Or an invoice. It’s hard to argue with documentation. UNQUOTE [Burkett van Kirk in the History Channel’s LBJ vs. The Kennedys: Chasing Demons, 2003] also in [Robert Caro, Passage of Power, p. 664] Robert Caro on the Senate Rules Committee investigation into Bobby Baker and Lyndon Johnson QUOTE Mollenhoff, the Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter for the Des Moines Register was, in Novemer 1963, working closely – and on virtually a daily basis – with Senator Williams and the Rules Committee staff. He was to write that “It was a few minutes before 10 A.M. when Reynolds and Fitzgerald were escorted to Room 312, where two committee staff members (Van Kirk and Drennan) waited.” Mollenhoff was to report that “in the first two hours, the questioning ranged over the whole scope of Baker’s financial operations,” including those concerning the District of Columbia Stadium (Mollenhoff, Despoilers of Democracy, pp. 295-97). The journalist Sy Hersh had a series of interviews with Van Kirk, and writes that “at ten o’clock” Reynolds walked with his lawyer into a small hearing room… and began providing … Van Kirk … with eagerly awaited evidence” (Hersh, Dark Side of Camelot, p. 446). Senator Carl Curtis of Nebraska, the ranking Republican member of the Rules Committee, who was told in 1963 about Reynolds’s testimony by Van Kirk, confirmed that Reynolds had provided documentation. Also Curtis Files, Curtis Papers; Curtis interview. Mollenhoff, Despoilers of Democracy, pp. 295-98; Rowe, The Bobby Baker Story, pp. 84-86; Steinberg, Sam Johnson’s Boy, pp. 602, 611. UNQUOTE [Robert Caro, Passage of Power, pp. 664-665]

Steve, a have a question for you. What is wrong with you? I have never seen someone at Education Forum EVER admit they were wrong about ANYTHING, even if encountered with a massive amount of information that contradicts their claim. Have you ever considered mental health counseling to cure you of this alleged infirmity that you might have?

Where does Julian Assange explicitly mention the JFK assassination? I did not see it.

Where in the cable does it say that Dallas Detective Don Stringfellow was the one who provided the physical description of Oswald to the 112th INTC? I do not think the cable explicitly says that. However, I think Marguerite Oswald was the first person to put into the record that she thought her son Lee Oswald was 5 feet 10 inches, 165 pounds - as she told this to Dallas FBI agent John Fain in May of 1960. https://robertmorrowpoliticalresearchblog.blogspot.com/2023/01/5-feet-10-inches-165-pounds-is-absolute.html

Got it. Thank you.

I posted that because you mentioned Ralph Dungan. Also, when I clicked on your web link I could not find Dungan's quote. What page in Moynihan's book does it appear?

Lyndon Johnson was blaming it on JFK for instigating the coup in Vietnam that resulted in Diem's murder. At other times LBJ blamed Castro for JFK's murder many times, saying that Castro killed JFK before the Kennedys could kill him. Author Larry Hancock on who LBJ blamed for the JFK assassination: “The day after John Kennedy’s funeral, Johnson pointed at a picture of Diem and told Hubert Humphrey that, “We had a hand in killing him; now it’s happening here.” Johnson later told Pierre Salinger a story about “divine retribution” and implied that perhaps also applied to Kennedy’s death. A few days after Kennedy’s funeral, Kennedy aide Ralph Dungan was working late in his office in the West Wing when he heard a noise at the door. Dungan looked up and there was President Johnson, in nothing but a t-shirt and boxer shorts. He told Dungan he wanted to talk to him and motioned him to the Oval Office, where Johnson forced him to sit on the sofa and in a low voice said, “I want to tell you why Kennedy died.” A stunned Dungan sat while Johnson pointed his finger and said, “Divine retribution … he murdered Diem and then he got it himself.” (Mahoney 302-303, from Mahoney interview with Dungan). [Larry Hancock, Someone Would Have Talked, p. 462]

Given the notorious Ultra Right Wing atmosphere that permeated Dallas in 1963: WHY WOULD LYNDON JOHNSON BE IMMEDIATELY BLAMING THE JFK ASSASSINATION ON A COMMUNIST?: which LBJ was already doing while at Parkland Hospital. Peter Pringle in 1993 on the Dallas right wing: Peter Pringle essay on Dallas 1963, The Independent 11-20-93: “We’re heading into nut country” ‘We’re heading into nut country’: President Kennedy said this to an aide as he began his fatal visit to Texas thirty years ago. Here Peter Pringle evokes Dallas as it was then, a hostile place which cared very little for the dream that died there [“’We’re heading into nut country,’” Peter Pringle, The Independent, 11/20/1993] Web link: https://web.archive.org/web/20150725235153/http:/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/were-heading-into-nut-country-president-kennedy-said-this-to-an-aide-as-he-began-his-fatal-visit-to-texas-thirty-years-ago-here-peter-pringle-evokes-dallas-as-it-was-then-a-hostile-place-which-cared-very-little-for-the-dream-that-died-there-1505387.html Original web link: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/were-heading-into-nut-country-president-kennedy-said-this-to-an-aide-as-he-began-his-fatal-visit-to-texas-thirty-years-ago-here-peter-pringle-evokes-dallas-as-it-was-then-a-hostile-place-which-cared-very-little-for-the-dream-that-died-there-1505387.html QUOTE Dallas, 20 November 1963, two days before the arrival of President JF Kennedy. Four thousand, nine hundred and eighty yellow roses - all the yellow roses in California, according to the evening newspaper the Times Herald - arrived at the airport in preparation for the presidential visit. It was a typical, expansive Texan gesture, part of an effort to turn a rebellious city with the highest homicide rate in the union and a growing reputation for hating Democrats into a festive, reasonable place for a day. Texans knew it was an impossible task; the flowers would be ceremonial, nothing more. By his third year in office most people in Dallas disliked Kennedy. Now a Republican stronghold, Dallas had voted 62 per cent for Nixon in 1960. A staggering 53.5 per cent of the city's wage earners were white-collar professionals. They could not have been less interested in Kennedy's New Frontier with its plans to desegregate schools and its civil rights bill. They longed for a return of the values of the Old Frontier and had concluded from the start that Kennedy could never fit the image of a plainsman. As for his fancy liberal ideas about foreign largesse, such as the Peace Corps, it seemed to Dallas citizens that these encouraged socialism. They opposed funding backward nations in Latin America that then turned into ideological enemies. And while they appreciated Kennedy's determination to put a man on the moon, they didn't want to pay for the exercise - unless it helped to fight the Communists. Dallas in those days was a town of 750,000, mostly Anglo-Saxon native Americans who kept a clean, God-fearing and relatively corruption-free city. They had kicked out the prostitutes and were prosecuting the new sellers of pornography. The city was playing its part in the record number of banks opening across the US; more had opened in 1963 than any previous year. Personal income nationwide had risen by dollars 3bn in October to a record annual rate. New money from oil was replacing old money from cotton. The city was expanding with newcomers from rural Texas, Louisiana and Arkansas. All were politically and socially conservative. These people thought Kennedy was doing the country a disservice by being too soft on Communism. 'We can annihilate Russia, and we should make that clear to the Soviet government,' the venerable owner of the Dallas Morning News, Ted Dealey, had told Kennedy at a dinner at the White House. What was needed, said Dealey, was 'a man on horseback to lead this nation, and many people in Texas and the South-West think that you are riding Caroline's tricycle'. Kennedy was not amused, but held his fire. Texans were angered by the latest talk from Moscow about the Russians being able to 'wipe out whole states' and Khrushchev's boast that the new Soviet anti-missile system could 'hit a fly in the sky'. In Dallas, people thought Kennedy let the Soviet leader off too lightly. By that last week, almost everyone was joining in the anti-Kennedy chorus. The American Bible Society placed an advertisement in the newspaper urging vigilance against the march of 'Godless Communism'. They added a quotation from Theodore Roosevelt warning of a 'lapse into paganism' to the point where America would perish like Assyria and Babylonia. There were many backers. The advertisement was sponsored by the First National Bank of Dallas, two funeral homes and a florist, among others. In some cases the attacks were directed personally at Kennedy and his family. The Dallas Morning News ran a column headlined, 'Why do so many hate the Kennedys?' It was a vicious gripe about the Kennedys being 'new rich' and having money that 'still stinks'. (Never mind that much of Dallas money was even newer.) The writer was AC Green, editor of the newspaper's editorial page, which followed a sort of Kit Carson and Daniel Boone line. It had been writing in a mocking code about liberal causes, referring to Franklin Roosevelt's 'Queer Deal', the 'American Swivel Liberties Union' and the 'Judicial Kremlin' (the US Supreme Court). Even so, it was the most respected voice in Dallas, and everyone read it. People in Dallas, wrote Green, disliked the Kennedys because their lifestyle has 'a touch of vulgarity' about it. He complained particularly about Bobby Kennedy being 'ambitiously dictatorial', and noted how people couldn't forget the Kennedy family links with the 'Frank Sinatra-Hollywood-Las Vegas axis'. The bleached-blonde dowagers of Dallas, who went to debutante balls and coffee mornings, and worried whether they had the latest kitchen gadgets, played a game in which you had to list the Kennedys you hated the most. The correct answer was Bobby, Jack, Teddy and Jackie, in that order. Many Dallas women would die rather than admit it, but they almost all copied Jackie's dress and hairstyle. It was the fashion. This was a time when few southerners were ready to give the vote to Negroes, as they still called African-Americans, or let them drink at the same water fountains. But they were ready to share sports. The problem was, where would the Negroes change their clothes? As Harold Bradley, the University of Texas basketball coach, explained in the Dallas Morning News: 'It's going to be hard to get a Negro boy down here unless the housing is integrated.' He added: 'There's no question Negro basketball players are outstanding. You take the top 100 boys in the country and 60 of them will be Negroes'. Times would soon change, he forecast, because, 'Negro boys are hungry players'. At the University of Houston, they were willing to admit 'qualified Negroes' without specifying what that meant. The church played a significant part in the life of the city. Most of its inhabitants were of Scottish-Irish stock and Protestants. They resented the Kennedys' Catholicism. It didn't help the strained relationship when the Catholic bishops spoke at their annual conference in that last week about the first step toward racial harmony being 'to treat all men and women as persons'. Most southerners simply didn't agree. George Wallace, governor of Alabama and the supreme segregationist, came to Dallas that week, too. He arrived from Louisiana in a plane with Confederate flag markings. Asked by reporters about his stand against desegregation, he claimed he had never made an unkind remark about Negroes. 'It's just mixing the races that causes trouble', he said. 'We resent Washington telling us how to run our schools. Why, they've had to build extra bridges across the Potomac just for the people leaving Washington since they integrated the schools there'. Wallace said that with all the trouble in Washington, 'we Alabama people ought to be telling them how to run their schools'. That was also the prevailing feeling in Dallas. The latest Capitol Hill scandal was free liquor in a contraband bar in the Senate basement. And at least one senator was accused of having call girls on his payroll. Life magazine reported that Washington was a place where 'a man needs a guide to distinguish wives from mistresses, and mistresses from hired prostitutes. It is a world devoted to the cynical manipulation of government influence and government largesse'. The Dallas Morning News was in the front line of outrage against the nation's capital, suggesting it was inhabited by 'an unknown number of subversives, perverts, and miscellaneous security risks.' But the real security risk was the President's visit. Dallas already had a reputation for roughing up Democrats. In the 1960 campaign, Lyndon Johnson and his wife, Lady Byrd, were spat on by a group of housewives. A month before Kennedy's arrival, the UN ambassador, Adlai Stevenson, was assaulted in a crowd. Kennedy had been advised against the visit by several aides, unsolicited Dallas residents and by the Texas governor, John Connally, who said people in the city were 'too emotional'. In that year, a kind of fever lay over Dallas, wrote William Manchester in his book Death of a President. People carried huge billboards calling for the impeachment of the Chief Justice, Earl Warren. Cowboy-booted executives placed 'KO the Kennedys' bumper stickers on their cars. Jewish stores were smeared with swastikas and Kennedy's name was booed in classrooms. The Dallas city council rushed through an ordinance banning attacks against visiting speakers, but many still feared the worst, especially in a town where guns could be bought without a licence or any kind of registration. There was more than gunfire. The day of the assassination, 22 November 1963, the Dallas Morning News printed a full-page advertisement, ominously bordered in black, accusing Kennedy, again among a long list of other complaints, of being a Communist patsy. It was signed by the American Fact-finding Committee, which eventually was identified as a group of right-wingers led by Nelson Bunker Hunt, of the oil-rich Dallas family. It was this advertisement that prompted Kennedy's remark: 'We're heading into nut country today'. Kennedy had come to raise funds for his 1964 re-election campaign and to try to heal rifts in the Texas Democratic Party, which was in its usual mood: loving as a nest of alligators, as the Times Herald put it. His approval rate in the state was just over 50 per cent, as opposed to 59 nationally, and down from 76 in 1962. In three years Kennedy had failed to make headway on the important initiatives of his administration - the first civil rights bill, a foreign aid bill and a pre-election year tax cut. He and Khrushchev had come within a button-push of blowing up the world over the Cuban missile crisis. And he left blacks seething over civil rights. Yet by the mid-Eighties most Americans would remember him as the finest ever President. The ugliness of Dallas and the rest of the South would be replaced by a memory of what Norman Mailer and others called an age of innocence; an imaginary Kennedy era that afforded economic exuberance and a happier and more secure America rudely shattered by the assassins bullets. The best explanation for this cognitive dissonance is that those who recall only the bright, shining moments of Kennedys presidency and manage to blot out the rest still cannot accept that a psychotic jerk with a cheap Italian carbine brought his life to a sudden close. Without such an end the staying power of the Kennedy legend would never have been so great. UNQUOTE

Lone nutter Jim Bishop was an LBJ-affiliated hack who wrote a book on the JFK assassination at the urging of Lyndon Johnson and as a counterweight to the Kennedys who got William Manchester to write a book on the JFK assassination. The Kennedys, cowards that they are, literally sued William Manchester to force him to take out vast reams of anti-LBJ material that the Kennedys and their aides had told him about Lyndon Johnson and their suspicions of him in the JFK assassination. Kenny O’Donnell, JFK’s chief of staff, in real time on 11/22/1963 and on the flight back from Dallas suspected Lyndon Johnson in the JFK assassination; just as both Jackie Kennedy and Evelyn Lincoln did Oswald in the doorway: the blog of the Oswald Innocence Campaign, by Ralph Cinque Joachim Joesten in the Dark Side of Lyndon Johnson – Joesten is quoting an Edward Epstein article in Commentary magazine that is quoting the original, unexpurgated manuscript of William Manchester’s Death of a President that the Kennedys made Manchester sanitize. Joesten: QUOTE By far the most interesting aspect of this matter, however, is Epstein's contention that Manchester's original theme, which gave unity to his book, was 'the notion that Johnson, the successor, was somehow responsible for the death-of his predecessor'. Several quotations from the original draft bear out this contention. At one point, the Lancer version states, 'The shattering fact of the assassination is that a Texas murder has made a Texan President'. At another, Kenneth O'Donnell, Kennedy's appointments secretary, is quoted as exclaiming 'They did it. I always knew they'd do it. You couldn't expect anything else from them. They finally made it'. Then Manchester comments: 'He didn't specify who "they" were. It was unnecessary. They were Texans, Johnsonians'. UNQUOTE

Bill Simpich, I know that you give away State Secret for free, but I want to give you some marketing advice: YOU SHOULD PUT IT FOR SALE ON AMAZON IN KINDLE and maybe in a "print-on-demand" book form. I would price it at $20 for Kindle and $28 for the book form. Why? Amazon offers great visibility for your work. We could buy a Kindle or a book from Amazon which would give us the right to review your book on Amazon. You can give your book away for free and ALSO sell it on Amazon to give your work more visibility. Previously, you have said no one has reviewed your work. Sell the book and Amazon and you will start getting reviews of your book there. For example, the book The Other Oswald: A Wilderness of Mirrors, released in 2020, has 47 Amazon ratings and about 10 reviews.

Before Lyndon Johnson was immediately blaming the JFK assassination on a communist in ultra right wing Dallas (no one else was at that moment), this preceded that: continual private death threats toward the Kennedys who he was acutely aware were out to utterly destroy him in November, 1963: Robert Caro describes the LBJ-RFK relationship post 1960 Democratic convention, where RFK had moved heaven and earth attempting to keep LBJ off the 1960 Democratic ticket. Caro: QUOTE John Connally, who during long days of conversation with this author was willing to answer almost any question put to him, no matter how delicate the topic, wouldn't answer when asked what Johnson said about Robert Kennedy. When the author pressed him, he finally said flatly: "I am not going to tell you what he said about him." During the months after the convention, when Johnson was closeted alone back in Texas with an old ally he would sometimes be asked about Robert Kennedy. He would reply with a gesture. Raising his big right hand, he would draw the side of it across the neck in a slowing, slitting movement. Sometimes that gesture would be his only reply; sometimes, as during a meeting with Ed Clark in Austin, he would say, as his hand moved across his neck, "I'll cut his throat if it's the last thing I do." UNQUOTE [Robert Caro, The Passage of Power, p. 140] Bobby Baker (LBJ’s right hand man and bag man) told Don Reynolds on Inauguration Day 1/20/61 that the s.o.b. John Kennedy would never live out his term and that he would die a violent death Bobby Baker, one of Lyndon Johnson’s closest associates, said this during the inauguration of John Kennedy http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbakerB.htm [“A Primer of Assassination Theories,” Edward Jay Epstein, Esquire, 12/01/1966] QUOTE In January of 1964 the Warren Commission learned that Don B. Reynolds, insurance agent and close associate of Bobby Baker, had been heard to say the FBI knew that Johnson was behind the assassination. When interviewed by the FBI, he denied this. But he did recount an incident during the swearing in of Kennedy in which Bobby Baker said words to the effect that the s.o.b. would never live out his term and that he would die a violent death. Web link to Esquire article: https://classic.esquire.com/article/1966/12/01/a-primer-of-assassination-theories [“A Primer of Assassination Theories,” Edward Jay Epstein, Esquire, 12/01/1966] Journalist Alfed Steinberg: Lyndon Johnson was so concerned about the Kennedys dropping him from the 1964 Democratic ticket that he developed severe stomach pains QUOTE A midwestern Senator who travelled with Johnson on a fall fundraising affair for Senator Thomas Dodd remarked to his colleagues that Johnson had remarked lugubriously during their New England visit that “I am going to be out for a second term. Jack has another man in mind for Vice President.” So concerned was Johnson over what he believed would be his political doom that he developed severe stomach pains. UNQUOTE [Alfred Steinberg, Sam Johnson’s Boy, p. 589] Lyndon Johnson told Robert Novak in summer 1962 that the Kennedys were losing the cold war against the Soviet Union, losing to conservatives in Congress and that Robert Kennedy was planning to dump him off the 1964 Democratic ticket. Robert Novak later married Geraldine, a secretary to LBJ Notice how Johnson is telling Novak in the summer of 1962 how the Kennedy Administration was "losing" the cold war to the Russians. This is before the fall, 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. I imagine Johnson was using these same arguments with the generals, the Texas oil men and the military intelligence in the lead up to the JFK assassination. Robert Novak: QUOTE "After a Texas-style cookout, LBJ reclined, nearly prone, by the swimming pool. It was just the two of us drinking Scotch, and he spoke with a candor he never bestowed on me before or after. He felt the Kennedy administration was in serious trouble, losing the cold war to the Soviet Union and losing the legislative war to conservatives in Congress. He said that he had done everything the Kennedys had wanted, including foreign missions that only guaranteed him bad publicity. He was repaid with insults and humiliation, especially from the attorney general. Johnson was sure Bobby Kennedy was plotting to dump him in 1964. "But I'm going to fool them," he said. "I'm going to pack it in after the term ends and go home to Texas." That would have been a huge scoop, but I knew Johnson was just blowing off steam. As for going back to Texas, the political environment there was hardly more congenial for LBJ than it was in Washington. Johnson's protege, John B. Connally, had just won the Democratic nomination for governor of Texas, which still all but guaranteed election in Texas. As secretary of the Navy, Connally had been the highest Kennedy administration official bearing the LBJ brand. But campaigning for governor, Connally removed the brand. With JFK and LBJ both unpopular in Texas, Connally ran against the administration he had just left, and won. Talking about Big John in that summer evening in 1962 led Johnson into self-pity. "John has turned my picture to the wall," LBJ told me. "You know I would never turn his picture to the wall." QUOTE [Robert Novak, The Prince of Darkness, pp. 90-91]

Sandy, why don't you explain to me why in Ultra Right Wing Dallas where so much anti-JFK had been emitted in the months before the JFK assassination, with those legions of people warning JFK not to go to Dallas because of the radical right wing environment.... WHY did Lyndon Johnson - before John F. Kennedy was already in rigor mortis, probably while JFK was still in surgery, WHY was Lyndon Johnson IMMEDIATELY blaming the JFK assassination on a communist? Because JFK had just signed the Nuclear Test Ban treaty in October? Because JFK was publicly trying to sell the Russians excess American wheat to feed their starving people in the winter? Well before Oswald was arrested; well before the Saturday LBJ-Hoover phone call in the morning (where the audio has disappeared, but a transcript still exists), Lyndon Johnson was pushing the line communists have killed JFK while so many others thought it was a Dallas right winger. LBJ was possibly blaming the JFK assassination on a communist even before 1PM CST, the official time of JFK's death. And he was definitely blaming it on a communist between 1:20-1:26 PM when he talked with acting press secretary Malcolm Kilduff. Johnson was blaming the death of JFK on a communist while he was at Parkland Hospital. No one was talking about Kostikov at this time. Lyndon Johnson to Malcolm Kilduff, after Kiduff asked if he could make a statement that the president was dead: "No, wait. We don't know if it's a communist conspiracy or not. I'd better get out of here and back to the plane. Are they prepared to get me out of here?" [Sam Johnson's Boy, Steinberg, p. 606, published in 1968] QUOTE When they reached the hospital, Johnson jumped out of the car and held his left bicep with his right hand while he rushed indoors with five Secret Service agents, leaving Lady Bird with Yarborough. Rumors spread that he had been shot, that he had suffered a heart attack. Once inside the hospital, Johnson and the agents were ushered to the rear of the Minor Medicine area, where between deep sniffs from his nasal inhalator, he said repeatedly, “The International Communists did it!” …Nor had Salinger’s chief assistant Andrew Hatcher, gone to Texas, because Kennedy had been considerate of the anti-Negro bias in that Southern state. This was the reason Malcolm Kilduff, another assistant press secretary, was present at the hospital and became the first person to call Johnson “Mr. President.” Kilduff had come to Booth 13 to ask his permission to make a statement that Kennedy was dead, but Johnson barked at him, “No, wait. We don’t know whether it is a Communist conspiracy or not. I’d better get out of here and back to the plane. Are they prepared to get me out of here?” UNQUOTE [Alfred Steinberg, Sam Johnson’s Boy: A Close-Up of the President from Texas, pp. 605-606, published in 1968] Alfred Steinberg was a seasoned journalist who knew Lyndon Johnson very well, up close and personal. One could rightfully call Alfred Steinberg a journalist insider of his era.

The odds are pretty high that LBJ told more people than Ted Sorensen, the people at Parkland, the poor people Air Force One and Justice Earl Warren that Lee Harvey Oswald was part of a communist plot to kill JFK. Max Holland: QUOTE On June 16, 1971, Johnson received Leo Janos, the Houston bureau chief for Time magazine, at the Johnson Library. The meeting occurred at a propitious moment. Three days earlier The New York Times had published the first installment in what would become known as the Pentagon Papers, a secret study of U.S. involvement in Vietnam. There was much to talk about, and Johnson was in an expansive mood. Over coffee after lunch the conversation turned briefly to President Kennedy. Confident that his former speechwriter would respect the ground rules (the conversation was off the record), Johnson not only reiterated what he had told Howard K. Smith in 1968 and Walter Cronkite in 1969 but went into more detail than he ever had before, making his pregnant "Murder Inc." remark—which Janos did not publish until after Johnson's death. UNQUOTE [“The Assassination Tapes,” Max Holland, The Atlantic, June, 2004] Web link: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/06/the-assassination-tapes/302964/

Within minutes of JFK being dead, LBJ was immediately weirdly pushing in hard right wing Dallas that a communist had just killed JFK. And he was doing this on Air Force One when Gen. Godfrey McHugh slapped Johnson in his face to compose him. Gods knows how many more people LBJ tried this line on behind the scenes in the first week after the JFK assassination. He was even telling others it had something to do with the Diem assassination (which it did!!) Lyndon Johnson to Malcolm Kilduff, after Kiduff asked if he could make a statement that the president was dead: "No, wait. We don't know if it's a communist conspiracy or not. I'd better get out of here and back to the plane. Are they prepared to get me out of here?" [Sam Johnson's Boy, Steinberg, p. 606, published in 1968] QUOTE When they reached the hospital, Johnson jumped out of the car and held his left bicep with his right hand while he rushed indoors with five Secret Service agents, leaving Lady Bird with Yarborough. Rumors spread that he had been shot, that he had suffered a heart attack. Once inside the hospital, Johnson and the agents were ushered to the rear of the Minor Medicine area, where between deep sniffs from his nasal inhalator, he said repeatedly, “The International Communists did it!” …Nor had Salinger’s chief assistant Andrew Hatcher, gone to Texas, because Kennedy had been considerate of the anti-Negro bias in that Southern state. This was the reason Malcolm Kilduff, another assistant press secretary, was present at the hospital and became the first person to call Johnson “Mr. President.” Kilduff had come to Booth 13 to ask his permission to make a statement that Kennedy was dead, but Johnson barked at him, “No, wait. We don’t know whether it is a Communist conspiracy or not. I’d better get out of here and back to the plane. Are they prepared to get me out of here?” UNQUOTE [Alfred Steinberg, Sam Johnson’s Boy: A Close-Up of the President from Texas, pp. 605-606, published in 1968] Author Larry Hancock on who LBJ blamed for the JFK assassination: “The day after John Kennedy’s funeral, Johnson pointed at a picture of Diem and told Hubert Humphrey that, “We had a hand in killing him; now it’s happening here.” Johnson later told Pierre Salinger a story about “divine retribution” and implied that perhaps also applied to Kennedy’s death. A few days after Kennedy’s funeral, Kennedy aide Ralph Dungan was working late in his office in the West Wing when he heard a noise at the door. Dungan looked up and there was President Johnson, in nothing but a t-shirt and boxer shorts. He told Dungan he wanted to talk to him and motioned him to the Oval Office, where Johnson forced him to sit on the sofa and in a low voice said, “I want to tell you why Kennedy died.” A stunned Dungan sat while Johnson pointed his finger and said, “Divine retribution … he murdered Diem and then he got it himself.” (Mahoney 302-303, from Mahoney interview with Dungan). Shesol also relates that Johnson told Jack Valenti his inner political instinct was that Castro was behind the killing. Johnson expanded on that thought to Joseph Califano – President Kennedy tried to get Castro, but Castro got Kennedy first. Apparently, Johnson made a similar remark to Richard Helms of the CIA. When asked by the Congressional Committee if he had ever heard the theory that Castro might have been behind the assassination of President Kennedy, Helms replied that “the very first time I heard such a theory (that Castro might have shot the president on Casto’s behalf) was in a very peculiar way from President Johnson.” Later Johnson would relate to Acting Attorney General Ramsey Clark that (he) Castro called Oswald and a group in … and said go set it up and get the job done (killing Kennedy). Jeff Sheshol, Mutual Contempt: Lyndon Johnson, Robert Kennedy and the Feud that Defined a Decade, (New York, NY: Norton and Company, 1997), 131-134. Johnson’s best known biographer, Robert Caro, remarked that “Johnson could believe whatever he wanted to believe … could believe it with all his heart … he could convince himself of anything, even something that wasn’t true” [Larry Hancock, Someone Would Have Talked, p. 462]

Shouldn't the title of this thread be "Was Lyndon Johnson trying to seduce Jack Kennedy after the JFK assassination?" Which of course he was. LBJ would often tell his aides to have sex with female reporters saying stuff, paraphrasing, "After she gets a good _______, she will come around." LBJ tried it himself with Mary McGrory, a well-known Kennedy mouthpiece in the media. She declined. And he was trying the same thing with Jackie as gross and disgusting as it sounds. Because that is who LBJ was.

Lyndon Johnson, behind the scenes, told many people over the years that Fidel Castro murdered JFK before the Kennedys could murder him. This is line LBJ used again and again for years. It is called DEFLECTION from his orchestration of JFK's death. Gus Russo has a good chapter on this in his book Live By the Sword. LBJ would also blame JFK on Diem's death, which he put at the feet of JFK. Publisher George Weidenfeld printed LBJ's totally boring autobiography Vantage Point. Lyndon Johnson blaming Fidel Castro for the JFK assassination to his good friend publisher George Weidenfeld - March 1971 March, 1971 QUOTE “Of Kennedy’s assassination he said: ‘I think I know who killed JFK. I can’t prove it yet, but one day I will. Goddammit, I know it … It was Castro. You see, the Kennedy brothers liked playing cops and robbers, and when Bobby was Attorney-General he was responsible for the CIA and they sent people into Cuba to git Castro, but they failed and Castro git Jack Kennedy.’ He continued to expand on his theory. ‘I could never understand why Bobby tried to put some CIA people on the Warren Commission. I had Dick Helms here not long ago and I asked him point blank, but he refused to be drawn. Oswald was a communist agent, he was in Cuba, he was in the Soviet Union. One day I will prove it.’ UNQUOTE [George Weidenfeld, Remembering My Good Friends, p. 350]

Here is the 12/2/63 LBJ-Jackie phone call you were looking for. Note it is a mere 10 days after the JFK assassination and Jackie is extremely vulnerable at this point: and here is a January 1, 1964 LBJ-Jackie phone call:

No, Ron, I have not been on the Alex Jones show since August of 2011 when I exposed the bisexual adultery of the Governor of Texas Rick Perry who was leading in the GOP presidential polls at that time. Rick Perry was holding up a Bible and campaigning for President of the USA while camouflaging a very hypocritical and "not so secret" life of bisexual adultery. Here is a clip of my ball busting interview at the time that Rick Perry had just announced for president and was leading in the GOP presidential polls in August, 2011: Earlier that week I had taken out an advertisement in the Austin Chronicle asking the general public "Have you Ever Had Sex with Rick Perry" "Have you ever had sex with Rick Perry?" | Salon.com because so-called "rumors" of his rampaging adultery were so strong in Austin, TX. That ad went viral on the internet and even Rush Limbaugh mentioned it in his national radio show and it was discussed on Fox's "The Five" show. There was a former Texas state representative, reputed to have been on of Rick Perry's gay lovers, who had retained a Washington, D.C. lawyer to represent him in a major book deal which would have consumated if Rick Perry had become the GOP nominee in 2012. After Rick Perry's campaign had blown up after a debate performance when he could not remember which 3 federal departments he wanted to eliminate, former Travis County Democratic chair Glenn Maxey wrote a book about Rick Perry's "alleged" life of homosexual adultery while he was Texas Governor - Former Legislator Investigates Rumors About Perry's Sexuality – Texas Monthly Glenn Maxey is a well known former Texas Democratic state representative as well as a top "gay activist" in the Austin, TX area. I was hearing from the "ladies" about Rick Perry and Glenn Maxey was hearing from the "boys" in Austin's gay community where "gay rumors" about Rick Perry were running absolutely rampant in Austin where I live. "Alleged rumors" about Rick Perry were so strong that Hustler's Larry Flynt offered $1 million for anyone who had confirmable sexual dirt on Christian values Texas governor Rick Perry - Larry Flynt offers $1 million for sexual dirt on Perry (yahoo.com) At this point Rick Perry's presidential campaign began to organically implode as Perry starting choking in debate answers, literally on the day that Larry Flynt's $1 million dollar offer was issued. To this day, I still have a record of an outraged Austin homosexual man left a recording on my answering machine that one of his friends had had sex with Rick Perry. The man was fuming about the rampant hypocrisy of super anti-gay politician Rick Perry. Weirdly, in 2014 Gov. Rick Perry started making public comments that being gay is something you battle like alcoholism - Rick Perry: Being Gay Is Something You Battle, Like Alcoholism | KQED You may interpret those weird comments however you like. Ron Bulman - in answer to your original question - no, I have not been on the Alex Jones since then but I did play a key role in Alex Jones getting hooked up with Roger Stone who I had helped with his "LBJ Did It" book on the JFK assassination. In 2011 Alex Jones gave me his personal cell phone number and said call me anytime. I did that from time to time and Jones never once responded to my voicemails as he ghosted me. BACK TO LYNDON JOHNSON - LBJ would often tell his male aides to have sex with female reporters as a way of controlling them. Even while he was in college at San Marcos in 1929 LBJ would have one of his male friends try to date and control the girlfriends of his political enemies and bust up their relationships. LBJ biographer Robert Caro has detailed this. In summer 1964, President Lyndon Johnson was angling to have sex with Washington Star reporter Mary McGrory, then age 45, because she was a well known media partisan of the Kennedys: https://nypost.com/2014/05/03/lyndon-johnson-tried-to-seduce-dc-journalist/ [“Lyndon Johnson tried to seduce a DC journalist,” Geoff Earle, NY Post, May 3, 2014] "LBJ Asked to Go All the Way" NY Post May 3, 2014 by Geoff Earle Lyndon Johnson was obviously very sick in his head and that moral and spiritual sickness was often expressed in his sexual psychopathy and I could give you many examples on that. In my *opinion* Lyndon Johnson was chomping at the bit to have sex with Jackie Kennedy as a way of controlling her and also disgracing the Kennedys at the same time. Jackie Kennedy, who like Robert Kennedy, hated the guts of LBJ and she was having none of that although for survival reasons she would flirt back with LBJ when he called her on the phone: Here is LBJ talking with Jackie on 12/2/1963 a mere 10 days after the JFK assassination. LBJ knows she is extremely vulnerable and I interpret this as Jackie being in survival mode (I suggest reading the comments section here):

"W" and Charles - killing someone is an extremely high risk proposition for the killer because it brings attention to the dead person. I would think that the killers of JFK would only murder more people ONLY if they knew something that would blow up the JFK assassination case. I doubt any of these dead people had the goods on the killers of JFK. EXCEPT FOR OSWALD - who knew in real time he was a patsy and was a threat to reveal he was CIA asset, FBI Asset and fake defector to Russia. I can see why Oswald was killed, the others not nearly at that level. I do not think Dorothy Kilgallen had cracked the case but Sen. John Sherman Cooper, close friend of JFK, was feeding her Warren Commission material and that is a huge red flag.

Oh, you can find LBJ talking with Jackie on YouTube. Look up the link and post it please so I can get my daily throw up in. Lyndon Johnson wanted to have sex with Jackie Kennedy as a way of dominating her, Robert Kennedy and disgracing her dead husband John Kennedy. Jackie, of course, hated LBJ and never returned to the White House while he was there despite many, many invitations by LBJ. Lyndon Johnson makes “cowboy love” to Jackie post assassination Flirts with widow after slaughtering JFK, wants to be “daddy” of Caroline and John-John From LBJ: Architect of American Ambition: “During his first five weeks in office, Johnson called Jackie numerous times. Instinctively, awkwardly, he attempted to make what Hubert Humphrey referred to as “cowboy love” to her. A conversation the first week in December was typical: “Your picture was gorgeous. Now you had that chin up and that chest out and you looked so pretty marching in the front page of the New York Daily News … well,” LBJ said “I just came, sat in my desk and started signing a log of long things, and I decided to I wanted to flirt with you a little bit…. Darling, you know what I said to the Congress – I’d give anything in the world if I wasn’t here today … Tell Caroline and John-John I’d like to be their daddy!” [Randall Woods, LBJ: Architect of American Ambition, p. 423]

The white haired man who you can barely see is LBJ hack Cong. Homer Thornberry. Don't know the young dark haired man, man of right is LBJ hack Cong. Jack Brooks. Hidden behind Jack Brooks is JFK mistress and Jackie press secretary Pamela Turnure who said Jackie turned to her and said "Lyndon Johnson did it."

Oh, I had read enough about the cases in the book, long before the book Hit List came out. You tell me, what is the absolute strongest "suspicious deaths" that were related to the JFK assassination. For me it was the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald but - in my "opinion" by LBJ using the local Dallas mafia. H.L. Hunt and Joe Civello may have been involved in this one. See John Curington's book. I do not think Dorothy Kilgallen was murdered but I do think JFK's close friend Sen. John Sherman Cooper gave her a copy of the Warren Report and that she was under FBI/CIA surveillance because of her public doubts about the Warren Report. I do not think any murderer of JFK murdered his mistress Mary Meyer. Again, what are you most suspicious cases of death?

Cliff Varnell: here is Lyndon Johnson AT PARKLAND HOSPITAL, as he sucked on his inhaler, REPEATEDLY SAYING "The International Communists did it" and LBJ is doing this in ultra right wing Dallas while so many, many people are immediately assuming that a Right Wing Dallas Nut has just killed JFK. This is called DEFLECTION (from his own participation in the murder of JFK). Alfred Steinberg, was an accomplished and seasoned political reporter who knew Lyndon Johnson well. A few hours later on Air Force One, Jackie Kennedy would tell her press secretary "Lyndon Johnson did it" as she was a firsthand witness to LBJ's totally fake histrionics. Lyndon Johnson to Malcolm Kilduff, after Kiduff asked if he could make a statement that the president was dead: "No, wait. We don't know if it's a communist conspiracy or not. I'd better get out of here and back to the plane. Are they prepared to get me out of here?" [Sam Johnson's Boy, Steinberg, p. 606, published in 1968] QUOTE When they reached the hospital, Johnson jumped out of the car and held his left bicep with his right hand while he rushed indoors with five Secret Service agents, leaving Lady Bird with Yarborough. Rumors spread that he had been shot, that he had suffered a heart attack. Once inside the hospital, Johnson and the agents were ushered to the rear of the Minor Medicine area, where between deep sniffs from his nasal inhalator, he said repeatedly, “The International Communists did it!” …Nor had Salinger’s chief assistant Andrew Hatcher, gone to Texas, because Kennedy had been considerate of the anti-Negro bias in that Southern state. This was the reason Malcolm Kilduff, another assistant press secretary, was present at the hospital and became the first person to call Johnson “Mr. President.” Kilduff had come to Booth 13 to ask his permission to make a statement that Kennedy was dead, but Johnson barked at him, “No, wait. We don’t know whether it is a Communist conspiracy or not. I’d better get out of here and back to the plane. Are they prepared to get me out of here?” UNQUOTE [Alfred Steinberg, Sam Johnson’s Boy: A Close-Up of the President from Texas, pp. 605-606, published in 1968]

Cliff Varnell - I had a multiple brain fart episode as I typed in the Sorensen and Haig anecdotes. Both men were referring about seeing LBJ on Saturday, November 23, 1963 and not 11-22-63 as I had previously written. Sorensen actually spoke with LBJ, but Al Haig did not but later may have heard the contents of what LBJ was saying. Here is that Sorensen says in the previous paragragh: QUOTE On that Saturday evening, in Johnson's vice presidential office in the Old Executive Office Building across the street from the White House, with his aide Bill Moyers sitting it, LBJ and I talked, as he had requested during his phone call the night before. We had scheduled the meeting earlier, but I bumped into LBJ that afternoon in the West Wing basement, and he said he was running late. UNQUOTE [Ted Sorensen, Counselor, p. 380] As for Al Haig, he was in the White House helping to make preparations for JFK's funeral at Arlington National Cemetery. Al Haig: QUOTE I became aware of a subdued atmosphere of bustle and expectation. Soon President Johnson arrived with a small retinue, and he, McNamara, Vance, and a few others met in McNamara's office. Busy with my own concerns, I paid little attention to this. Later on, I learned that Johnson had expressed deep concern over the circumstances of President Kennedy's death and the effect it might have on the future of the Democratic party. UNQUOTE [Al Haig, Inner Circles, p. 114] I take this to mean that Al Haig did not personally hear the content of LBJ's conversations with Vance and McNamara, but that later he heard that LBJ was blaming the JFK assassination on a foreign power and he was wondering what impact this might have on the Democratic party's political chances. I think LBJ, as usual, was using the line the Kennedys tried to git Castro, but Castro git Kennedy first. And the JFK assassination was all the Kennedys fault and the Democratic party would suffer if the circumstances of the JFK assassination got out.