Tippit Murder

[Brendan Slattery]

Hi Brendan. Good to meet you.

~~extends hand for handshake~~

Always nice to meet another LNer who makes a lot of sense.

BTW, do you know if Dale Myers is ever going to release his "Secrets Of A Homicide" DVD? I've been wanting that for years.

Thanks.

DVP

Same to you.

Not sure about Myers. Doesn't he maintain a website where he sells his wares? I'm sure he'd reply to an email.

[William Kelly]

What happened to Tippitt?

I thought this thread was about the murder of Dallas policeman J.D. Tippitt?

BK

[Jack White]

Von Pain is here only to disrupt, Bill. I suggest that the moderators

place him on probationary status.

Jack

[Jack White]

Von Pain is here only to disrupt, Bill. I suggest that the moderators

place him on probationary status.

Yeah, me too.

Because God forbid somebody encroach on a CTer's sacred territory, right?

Jesus Christ, do you think that an LNer would come to a board like this and actually start AGREEING with the CTers or something?? Why is my posture so odd or "disruptive"?

Pathetic.

The question is...why people like you waste their time here...unless

being paid. Maybe they see the big bucks the Poz raked in and are

Pozwannabes.

Jack

[William Kelly]

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"There was no plot, no conspiracy. JFK wasn't murdered by anti-Castro Cubans, the mob, or rogue CIA agents. In almost 40 years, there has not been one scintilla of proof tying the assassination to anyone but Oswald. There have been theories, but no evidence. Oswald had the motive, the opportunity, and the skill to kill President Kennedy." -- Vincent T. Bugliosi

HOW COME THOSE WHO CLAIM LHO IS THE SOLE ASSASSIN ALSO CLASSIFY HIM AS A LYING LEFTEST LOSER WHO BEAT HIS WIFE AND COULDN'T HOLD A JOB RATHER THAN, IF HE ACTAULLY DID WHAT IS ATTRIBUTED TO HIM, THE WORLD CLASS MARKSMAN AND GREATEST ASSASSIN IN HISTORY HE SURELY HAD TO BE?

THOSE WHO DIVIDE THE WORLD INTO LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES, RIGHTWING AND LEFTWING, CONSPIRACY THEORISTS AND LONE NUTS ARE SIMPLE MINDED NUMBSKULLS WHO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT POWER POLITICS IS ALL ABOUT.

AS FOR THE BUG, HERE'S A GUY WHO CAN PROSECUTE CHARLIE MANSON FOR CONSPIRACY TO COMIT MURDERS MANSON WASN'T EVEN AT THE SCENE OF, WHILE DETERMINING LHO KILLED JFK ALL BY HIMSELF BEFORE HE EVEN STARTS HIS RESEARCH.

BY THE TIME THE BUG'S BOOK IS OUT, WE SHOULD HAVE A GRAND JURY REVIEWING THE REAL EVIDENCE AND INDICTING THOSE REPONSIBLE, IF NOT FOR THE CONSPIRACY TO KILL JFK, THEN FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF EVIDENCE, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND OTHER CRIMES RELATED TO THE ASSASSINATION.

BK

[William Kelly]

Questions for Coincidence Theorists

For those who have all the answers on the Tippit murder, I have a few questions that aren't fully addressed on the Tippit Tribute web site.

1) As the son of a police officer, I understand that patrolman in the 50s and 60s often worked other jobs to make ends meet. Tippit also worked part time at a barbeque and a theater. What was the name of the barbeque and is it the same one owned and operated by Ralph Paul?

2) Tippit reportedly dated one of the waitresses at the barbeque he worked at and got her pregnant. If it is the same barbeque as Ralph Paul's joint, is this the same waitress who overheard Paul talk to Ruby on the phone about a gun shortly before Ruby shot Oswald?

3) How long was Tippit on the DPD and if a long time, why was he never promoted?

4) Why did Tippit ignore procedures by not calling in on the radio to report he was leaving his car to make a phone call at Top Ten Records and when he stopped his assailant near 10th and Patton?

5) What is the story of the three wallets and how is that issue resolved?

6) If what Posner and Myers specualate is true, and the suspect is LHO and he was walking towards Tippit and then quickly reversed direction, how did he get further past 10th and Patton in order to be walking towards it when confronted by Tippit?

7) Without even considering all of the problems with the shells, what happened to the initials of the police officer who handled the shells to signify the chain of evidence?

8) How do Coincidence Theorists explain how the chief suspect in the assassination of the President and officer Tippitt (LHO) was seen driving a car owned by Tippit's good friend near the scene of his murder?

Now that we've accumulated a team of still-bonding Coincidence Theorists here at the forum, maybe they can explain how they've overcome these obsticals in convincing themselves that LHO killed JFK and Tippit because he's a low life loser.

BK

bkjfk3@yahoo.com

[Jim Feemster]

To John Howard,

When Roy Vaughn came to Midlothian, tx. and became chief of police he later hired Fowler as an investigator.

Halloween, 1987, someone cut a rams head off its body and dumped it out behind my house in some woods. One of my renters found it and told me about it so I called the police and Roy sent Fowler out to my office to investigate.

After viewing the scene of the ram's head incident we came back up to my office and Fowler noticed a book on the assassination laying on my credenza. It was then he mentioned that he'd been Tippit's pardner but was off the day he was murdered. Iasked him what he thought happened to Tippit and he said he had no idea and closed the subject and left to go back to work after telling me to keep a lookout for anymore satanic related happenings as they were picking up in this general area at that time.

Some years later I bought a book of witnessess and he was in there telling a story about stopping a guy in a Volkswagon with notes and letters addressed to Jack Ruby in the Dallas jail before Ruby died.

I loaned the witness book out to someone and can't remember the name of it. But it may be the source where you found Fowler as Tippet's pardner.

jim

[Steve Thomas]

Bill,

Tippit also worked part time at a barbeque and a theater. What was the name of the barbeque and is it the same one owned and operated by Ralph Paul?

No, Tippit worked at Austin's BBQ and Ralph Paul ran the Bull Pen in Arlington.

Steve Thomas

[William Kelly]

Bill,

Tippit also worked part time at a barbeque and a theater. What was the name of the barbeque and is it the same one owned and operated by Ralph Paul?

No, Tippit worked at Austin's BBQ and Ralph Paul ran the Bull Pen in Arlington.

Steve Thomas

THANK YOU STEVE,

AND WHICH HAD THE BETTER RIBS?

(I'M WRITING THE ASSASSIN'S CULINARY GUIDE TO NEW ORLEANS, TOKYO, MINSK, MEXICO CITY, DALLAS AND DC)

BK

[Robert Howard]

Bill,

Tippit also worked part time at a barbeque and a theater. What was the name of the barbeque and is it the same one owned and operated by Ralph Paul?

No, Tippit worked at Austin's BBQ and Ralph Paul ran the Bull Pen in Arlington.

Steve Thomas

THANK YOU STEVE,

AND WHICH HAD THE BETTER RIBS?

(I'M WRITING THE ASSASSIN'S CULINARY GUIDE TO NEW ORLEANS, TOKYO, MINSK, MEXICO CITY, DALLAS AND DC)

BK

Gee, this thread seems to have a smorgasbord of everything, now all we need is a Japanese sushi bar CT'er and a Russian LN'er....but seriously folks.

Yes, Jim 'JFK Breaking the Silence' By Bill Sloan, has a chapter in which Billy Fowler tell's the story about the Volkwagen, and states that he was indeed Tippit's partner during that time frame. Fowler also states that "There was something about the way he [Tippit] avoided looking people in the eye that bothered me.....He always kept his eyes averted when he was talking to you. Personally, I figure that's how Oswald---or whoever it was that shot him--got the drop on him in the first place. Knowing J.D., he was bound to have been looking somewhere else."

From Chapter 10 Page 194 'Thank's a lot, Jack'

So Jim. Carlton Stower's in the chapter referenced above seemingly agree's that Fowler was 'Tippit's partner' for a time. But is not quoted regarding whether Fowler was Tippit's partner on November 22, 1963. Can you add anything in that regard, and did you ever get to the bottom of that ram's head stuff? Goodness, that is some weird stuff? Thanks

[Greg Parker]

Yes, Jim 'JFK Breaking the Silence' By Bill Sloan, has a chapter in which Billy Fowler tell's the story about the Volkwagen, and states that he was indeed Tippit's partner during that time frame. Fowler also states that "There was something about the way he [Tippit] avoided looking people in the eye that bothered me.....He always kept his eyes averted when he was talking to you. Personally, I figure that's how Oswald---or whoever it was that shot him--got the drop on him in the first place. Knowing J.D., he was bound to have been looking somewhere else."

From Chapter 10 Page 194 'Thank's a lot, Jack'

So Jim. Carlton Stower's in the chapter referenced above seemingly agree's that Fowler was 'Tippit's partner' for a time. But is not quoted regarding whether Fowler was Tippit's partner on November 22, 1963. Can you add anything in that regard, and did you ever get to the bottom of that ram's head stuff? Goodness, that is some weird stuff? Thanks

The person stopped by Fowler was Guy Everett Nice.

The only name I recall as being a partner was a someone named Byrd, but that had been in the late '50s. He did have other partners before and after that.

As for Tippit's inability to look people in the eye... this is a psych evaluation from his personnel file:

This man appears to be wholly devoid of any imaginative facilities. His percepts are predominantly the most common. His range of interest and achievements is quite limited, seen in his very narrow associational content. He takes little note of any rare and unusual stimili in his environment. His mental functioning is highly stereotyped. In conformity, he is within the limits of the average in that his thinking corresponds with that of the community at large. However, he proceeds ocassionally with alogical reactions.

His grip on reality is below the average. Errors in judgment may be expected.

On two ocassions he resorted to edging while handling the cards. This is a very unhealthy sign.

Only a single overt expression of feeling is revealed. This, however, is at the stable level and gives a slight indication of warm social contact.

Other reports in the file indicate that a former neighbour described him as being a nervous person . "Jumpy" may have been the exact term used, I'd have to find it again - but it was after getting out of the military, and I wondered after reading if it may have been what we know today as PTSD.

Another tidbit was his apparent inability to write his own reports...

[Robert Howard]

Yes, Jim 'JFK Breaking the Silence' By Bill Sloan, has a chapter in which Billy Fowler tell's the story about the Volkwagen, and states that he was indeed Tippit's partner during that time frame. Fowler also states that "There was something about the way he [Tippit] avoided looking people in the eye that bothered me.....He always kept his eyes averted when he was talking to you. Personally, I figure that's how Oswald---or whoever it was that shot him--got the drop on him in the first place. Knowing J.D., he was bound to have been looking somewhere else."

From Chapter 10 Page 194 'Thank's a lot, Jack'

So Jim. Carlton Stower's in the chapter referenced above seemingly agree's that Fowler was 'Tippit's partner' for a time. But is not quoted regarding whether Fowler was Tippit's partner on November 22, 1963. Can you add anything in that regard, and did you ever get to the bottom of that ram's head stuff? Goodness, that is some weird stuff? Thanks

The person stopped by Fowler was Guy Everett Nice.

The only name I recall as being a partner was a someone named Byrd, but that had been in the late '50s. He did have other partners before and after that.

As for Tippit's inability to look people in the eye... this is a psych evaluation from his personnel file:

This man appears to be wholly devoid of any imaginative facilities. His percepts are predominantly the most common. His range of interest and achievements is quite limited, seen in his very narrow associational content. He takes little note of any rare and unusual stimili in his environment. His mental functioning is highly stereotyped. In conformity, he is within the limits of the average in that his thinking corresponds with that of the community at large. However, he proceeds ocassionally with alogical reactions.

His grip on reality is below the average. Errors in judgment may be expected.

On two ocassions he resorted to edging while handling the cards. This is a very unhealthy sign.

Only a single overt expression of feeling is revealed. This, however, is at the stable level and gives a slight indication of warm social contact.

Other reports in the file indicate that a former neighbour described him as being a nervous person . "Jumpy" may have been the exact term used, I'd have to find it again - but it was after getting out of the military, and I wondered after reading if it may have been what we know today as PTSD.

Another tidbit was his apparent inability to write his own reports...

Thank's Greg; I didn't know the details about Nice. Which reminds me; have you researched the guy David Conrad Glass, from Beatty, Oregon who was arrested at Dallas Police Headquarters?

[see story "'Man seized with pistol 'incoherent'" Dallas Morning News 02/18/64;] the slant on it was that he arrived there as Ruby was coming back from court.

The story hinted that maybe he was thinking about killing Ruby, had a loaded .38 revolver 'mumbling about Oswald and Ruby.'

Guy Everett Nice seems like a similar bloke.

[Steve Thomas]

Robert,

So Jim. Carlton Stower's in the chapter referenced above seemingly agree's that Fowler was 'Tippit's partner' for a time. But is not quoted regarding whether Fowler was Tippit's partner on November 22, 1963. Can you add anything in that regard, and did you ever get to the bottom of that ram's head stuff? Goodness, that is some weird stuff? Thanks

In March of 1964, Deputy Chief Batchelor put together a list of personnel assignments for November of 1963. Unless they changed shifts or something, Billy Fowler was scheduled to work the First Platoon, midnight to 8:00 AM.

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/...Vol19_0071a.htm

J.D. Tippit was scheduled to work the Second Platoon, 8:00 AM to 4:00 PM.

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/...Vol19_0072b.htm

In his WC testimony, Sgt. Calvin Owens told the WC that he was serving as Acting Lieutenant of the Oak Cliff Substation. In reference to another officer named Angel, Owens said,

Mr. OWENS. "Yes; he was working in the Oak Cliff area under the same sergeant that Officer Tippit was working under, so he would be in the same general area which covers these districts in here."

I don't know who handed out personnel assignments, but the two Sgts on the Second Platoon were Hugh Davis and Donald Steele. Steele testified to the WC, but only in reference to what happened on November 24th. He told the WC that he had a day off on the 22nd. Does that mean by inference that Hugh Davis would have handed out assignments that day, or did Owens? Owens only told the WC that he was Tippit's "supervisor."

The Way of the Gun

The untold story of why Lenell Geter was freed

BY CARLTON STOWERS

https://dal.secure.newtimes.com/issues/2001...ture_print.html

"In those days before the cancer would spread and claim his life, longtime law enforcement officer Billy F. Fowler could recount old cases worked with recall that suggested photographic memory. A member of the Dallas Police Department for two decades, he had been the partner of J.D. Tippit, off-duty on the day the officer was shot and killed by Lee Harvey Oswald. From DPD, Fowler had moved to the Dallas County District Attorney's Office, where he spent a couple of years as an investigator. He was serving as a lieutenant with the suburban Midlothian Police Department when he died in March 1992."

Steve Thomas

[Guest John Gillespie]

Hi, can anyone help me out with which is the best book to read on the Tippit murder and is there a web site anyone devoted only to that subject : :

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God, this is so tedious....JOANNE, please ignore the jibberish and read the referenced book with the open mind you seem to have. What one must deal with here is so often agenda driven and not worth the time of day.

Furthermore, there is no reason for me to examine much of what is offered here because (1.) it's beneath me and (2.), seeing the treatment that Mr. Gray has experienced here - and having been around the block myself with these clowns - it is clear most members wouldn't know a solid lead if it jumped up and bit them on the arse. Mostly, this is a P.C.-driven place with very few truth seekers and even fewer who could find said arse with both hands.

I provided Dale Myers' email address last week. How many of these dart throwers do you think contacted him? None, as Mr. Myers has informed me. Also, I solicited requests for the Jim Hougan piece on Jonestown and its CIA Mind Control implications (brilliant work by Hougan, as usual). Know how many contacted me? None. So, keep those things in mind as you swim through the muck.

Good Luck,

JohnG

Joanne,

Without question, the definitive work is the book "With Malice" by Dale Myers

JOHN, YOU CAN'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE WORK THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE PERTINENT FACTS, ESPECIALLY THE MOST PERTIENT FACTS -

with whom I've corresponded - and argued - several times. His email is: dalekmyers@comcast.net That's off his web site, so it's not confidential.

A lot of people on the Forum, carrying agendae, resent that Myers believes Oswald was a 'Lone Nut'

SO MYERS HAS AN AGENDA - HE BELIEVES OSWALD A LONE NUT. THAT'S AS CLOSED MINDED AGENDA YOU'LL EVER GET.

AND WHOSE 'A LOT' - AND WHAT AGENAE ARE THEY CARRYING? SEARCH FOR THE TOTAL TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR JFK BY EXPOSING AND PROSECUTING THOSE REPONSIBLE FOR HIS MURDER? THAT'S AN AGENDA?

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE LOT, BUT I RESENT DALE MEYERS FOR POSING AS A RESPONSIBLE INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALST WHEN HE IS A COMPUTE CARTOON CHARLITAN. DICK RUSSELL IS AN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, GAETON FONZI IS AN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, EARL GOLZ IS AN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, DALE MEYERS IS A JOKE WHO RESPONSIBLE JOURNALISTS DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO. HE'S A SHILL FOR THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA NETWORKS WHO PARADE HIM OUT WHENEVER THEY WANT AND IGNORE THE REAL JOURNALISTS ON THIS CASE.

to which I agreed with Dale to disagree. Nonetheless, this is a superb piece of investigative journalism, the likes of which you will rarely come across.

WHAT'S SUPERB AGAIN? IF YOU WANT TO READ HIS BOOK, JUST FOCUS ON THE WALLETS, AND TRY TO MAKE SOME SENSE OUT OF IT. THAT'S RARE ALL RIGHT.

As an Investigator for many years and, before that, Special Agent in Military Intelligence, it certainly came across to me as such.

AS A SPECIAL AGENT IN MILITARY INTELLIGENCE, THEN YOU, LIKE MEYERS AND POSNER, RECOGNIZE THAT LHO, MYERS' SUSPECT - SUDDENTLY CHANGED DIRECTION IN THE CORSE OF HIS STROLL DOWN 10TH AND PATTON, POSSIBLY CAUSING TIPPIT TO NOTICE HIM. IF THAT INDEED IS THE CASE, THEN THAT'S THE THIRD TIME THIS SUSPECT SUDDENLY CHANGED DIRECTION WITHIN THE HOUR. LEAVING THE DEPOSITORY HE WALKED ONE WAY FOR FIVE BLOCKS, THEN GOT ON THE GET A WAY BUS GOING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. THEN HE GOT OFF THE BUS AND GOT A CAB, WHICH HE TOOK FIVE BLOCKS PAST HIS DESTINATION AND WALKED BACK THERE. AS A SAMI YOU RECOGNIZE THIS COUNTER-SURVILLANCE TECHNIQUE AS A TRAINED INTELLIGENCE CRAFT AND NOT THE SUDDEN PANIC OF A MADMAN.

When you read the book, which I was able to get at a local library, you'll realize the fairhandedness

HOW IS HE FAIRHANDED WITH THE JCOUNTERSURVILLANCE WALK, THE WALLET ISSUE, THE BULLETS AND BALLISTICS AND OF COUSRE, THE VICTIM'S FRIENDS AND ASSOCIATES, ALL OF WHICH HE FUDGES.

with which he approached matters, how he examines all the controversial aspects of the Tippit slaying

ACCORDING TO HIM THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY.

as thoroughly as possible and how all arguments are considered and reported.

HE NOT ONLY DOESN'T COVER THE HSCA WISE ALLEGATION THOROUGHLY, HE IGNORES IT.

You'll also realize there is NO other conclusion to be drawn than that Oswald killed that Police Officer. As I've written here, I would have, too.

IF LHO KILLED JFK AND WOUNDED JBC AND JT AT DEALEY PLAZA, THEN KILLED TIPPITT IN OAK CLIFF AND TRIED TO KILL THE POLICE OFFICER AT THE THEATER, THEN HE IS TECHNICALLY NOT A LONE NUT, BUT A SPREE KILLER - SOMEONE WHO KILLS MULTIBLE VICTIMS AT DIFFERNT LOCATIONS WITHIN A SHORT SPAN OF TIME. AND THERE'S NEVER BEEN A POLITICALLY MOTIVATED SPREE KILLER WHO DENIED THE DEEDS.

But there is no convincing Dale that there was a conspiracy in the killing of JFK. So, please try anyway.

WHO WOULD EVEN WANT TO TRY TO CONVINCE A CLOSED MINDED CLOWN OF ANYTHING?

AND HOW COME I HAVE TO POST MY BACKGROUND AND LAY OUT MY PERSONAL AGENDA IN A BIO BUT JOHN GILLESPIE DOESN'T HAVE TO ?

AND I DON'T SPEAK FOR ANY OF THE "LOTS," JUST MY OWN, AND I DON'T RESENT MYERS FOR BEING A LONE NUT OR BELIVING OSWALD ONE, BUT FOR NOT HAVING AN OPEN MIND AND SEEKING THE TRUTH.

REGARDS, BILL KELLY - BKJFK3@YAHOO.COM

Regards,

John Gillespie

Translation: As soon as someone writes a book that jibes with my agenda then I'll recommend it. That reply speaks volumes of your credibility. You may not realize it but you sound like a fool.

AND JOHN, DON'T TRANSLATE ME - I RECOMMEND PEOPLE SEEK THE TRUTH, NOT BULLxxxx. AND I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT YOUR OPINION OF MY CREDIBILTY OR WHAT I SOUND LIKE. AND ROY DOESN'T NEED TO CARRY ANYBODY'S AGDENA, HE'S HIS OWN MAN.

Royce, the vitriol is now flowing your way because you don't carry their agenda.

The Left wants Oswald to have been TOTALLY set up with regard to Tippit;

I DON'T THINK THERE IS A LEFT OR KNOW ANYONE WHO WANTS OSWALD TO HAVE BEEN SET UP WITH REGARD TO TIPPIT - WHO YOU TALKING ABOUT HERE?

WHO IS THE 'LEFT' AGAIN? IF IT'S ME, THERE YOU GO AGAIN JOHN, MISCHARACTERIZING ME, A RIGHT WING LIBERATRIAN AS A LEFTIST.

forget that all and I mean ALL evidence is to the contrary. They think that any notion that he killed Tippit somehow takes away from the JFK conspiracy.

IF YOU TAKE INTO CONSDERATION ALL OF THE EVIDENCE, ESPECILALY THE ASPECTS THAT WITH MALACE MYERS DOESN'T, THEN YOU WILL GET CLOSER TO THE TRUTH AS TO WHO KILLED JFK AND WHY. HOW DOES THAT TAKE AWAY FROM THE JFK CONSPIRACY?

YOUR REALLY SHOOTING FROM THE HIP FOR A MIL INTEL GUY JOHN,

Regards, JohnG

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Edited July 20, 2006 by John Gillespie

[Jack White]

I agree with Bill...the Myers book, though it has SOME valuable information,

is classic disinformation...what they call a LIMITED HANGOUT. They mix in

some good stuff to make the bad stuff seem credible.

Clue: when you see hefty slick expensive SELF PUBLISHED BOOKS like

Myers and Trask, stop and ask yourself how the books came to be.

Having taken printing bids for over 40 years, I can tell you that such

books easily cost over $200,000 to print and distribute. Can private

citizens like a radio-tv guy and a college librarian fund such books

out of their personal savings? Do they expect to recoup their money

when their only sales are to JFK researchers? Why were these books

not published by major publishers, who have distribution and promotion

channels? Because there was not a MASS market!

I doubt that Myers and Trask are independently wealthy like John

Armstrong. John spent a year in China self-publishing HARVEY&LEE,

and the printing still cost him nearly $100,000.

The Agency would be smarter to issue such propaganda through

their usual publishing "asset" companies, like they did with Posner and

Mailer and Priscilla.

Jack