Motorcycle Officers "Martin & Chaney"

[Jack White]

Daniel film showing the limo as it reaches the second underpass.

Robin:

I think what we see here is the overhead gantry, to the west of the Triple Underpass, on which there are/were traffic signs. The second "underpass" is even further west of this gantry, and is where Elm goes under the Stemmons Freeway before entering the northbound on-ramp, and it was only when they reached that on-ramp that Chaney caught up with Curry.

Chris.

Chris,

You're right. Here's a photo showing the second underpass.

In 1963 you had to pass under three lanes of freeway to get to the Stemmons on ramp from Dealey Plaza.

Best to you,

Jerry

Thanks for posting the photo of the BRIDGE, which is CLEARLY not an underpass,

and is CLEARLY far away from Dealey Plaza where the witnesses described the

ACTIVITIES IN THE MOTORCADE.

I will give an example of the use of the words AS TEXANS USE THEM at least.

I live in Fort Worth, the 17th largest city in the US. Fort Worth has only FIVE

UNDERPASSES that I can think of...BUT IT HAS HUNDREDS OF BRIDGES. Texans

know the difference between a bridge and an underpass. In an underpass, THE

SIDES ARE ENCLOSED. Think of the word TUNNEL. An underpass in usually a

short TUNNEL under an obstruction (in Dealey Plaza a large number of rail tracks(.

On the other hand, bridges have NO ENCLOSURE. Bridges are a means of

transporting traffic OVER an obstruction, such as a road over a river or a road

over a river, or in some cases over an otherwise unsuitable area, like a swamp.

So word-splitter Logan would be laughed out of court trying to prove that the

Stemmons BRIDGE constituted an UNDERPASS. It is absurd. There is no

inclosure under the bridge making it into a tunnel. Traffic passing under a bridge

does NOT make it an underpass!

And from the Stemmons Freeway, Chief Curry could not look back into his

rear view mirror to see the activity he described about the JFK limo, BECAUSE

BY THAT TIME THE LIMO HAD ALREADY PASSED HIM.

Deliberate obfuscation of the truth shows which side Logan is on....truth or

COVERUP.

Jack

[Jack White]

Daniel film showing the limo as it reaches the second underpass.

Robin:

I think what we see here is the overhead gantry, to the west of the Triple Underpass, on which there are/were traffic signs. The second "underpass" is even further west of this gantry, and is where Elm goes under the Stemmons Freeway before entering the northbound on-ramp, and it was only when they reached that on-ramp that Chaney caught up with Curry.

Chris.

This makes no sense at all. The limo had ALREADY PASSED CURRY AS SEEN IN DANIELS AND MCINTIRE at the

time that you mention, so it would make no sense at all for Curry to ask Chaney ON THE FREEWAY if anything

had happened back in the motorcade. At that time, the limo was already AHEAD OF CURRY so he would not

have to ask. Please use some logic. Please read the testimony.

[Jerry Logan]

Thanks for posting the photo of the BRIDGE, which is CLEARLY not an underpass,

and is CLEARLY far away from Dealey Plaza where the witnesses described the

ACTIVITIES IN THE MOTORCADE.

I will give an example of the use of the words AS TEXANS USE THEM at least.

I live in Fort Worth, the 17th largest city in the US. Fort Worth has only FIVE

UNDERPASSES that I can think of...BUT IT HAS HUNDREDS OF BRIDGES. Texans

know the difference between a bridge and an underpass. In an underpass, THE

SIDES ARE ENCLOSED. Think of the word TUNNEL. An underpass in usually a

short TUNNEL under an obstruction (in Dealey Plaza a large number of rail tracks(.

On the other hand, bridges have NO ENCLOSURE. Bridges are a means of

transporting traffic OVER an obstruction, such as a road over a river or a road

over a river, or in some cases over an otherwise unsuitable area, like a swamp.

So word-splitter Logan would be laughed out of court trying to prove that the

Stemmons BRIDGE constituted an UNDERPASS. It is absurd. There is no

inclosure under the bridge making it into a tunnel. Traffic passing under a bridge

does NOT make it an underpass!

And from the Stemmons Freeway, Chief Curry could not look back into his

rear view mirror to see the activity he described about the JFK limo, BECAUSE

BY THAT TIME THE LIMO HAD ALREADY PASSED HIM.

Deliberate obfuscation of the truth shows which side Logan is on....truth or

COVERUP.

Jack

Ok Jack, I think we've had enough fun so let's get serious .

As you see it, it's all in my mind - that's a bridge not an underpass.

And no Texan, no one from Dallas in particular would call it an underpass because it's a bridge as any fool can plainly see, right?

They'd laugh someone out of court who called that anything but a bridge.

Well, as I'm sure you know, Officer Murphy and his three wheeler were assigned to sit on top of that "bridge" to provide security for the motorcade.

So, where exactly was Officer Murphy assigned?

And where did Officer Murphy think he was?

He wasn't assigned to a bridge - he was assigned to the overpass and he seemed to think he was on the Stemmons Freeway overpass.

What's underneath an overpass Jack?

If an overpass is above, what's below?

Jerry

Edited February 2, 2010 by Jerry Logan

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

Jerry Logan is a silver-tongued devil. The Triple Underpass is called the

"underpass" because that is its name. Since Jerry admits that there is

ample proof that Chaney motored forward to inform Chief Curry that the

president had been shot, WHEN COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? Unless

the motorcade stopped, there would have been no serious possibility.

Official account (ala Jerry Logan):

(a) Greer said he hit the accelerator after the second shot (Connally).

( From that point on, it was a high-speed race to Parkland Hospital.

© Cheif Curry would have known by then why they were racing there.

(d) There was no point in Chaney informing him what he already knew.

Revised account (John Costella, Jack White, Jim Fetzer, and others):

(a') Greer brought the limo to a stop (as 60 witnesses have reported).

(b') Chaney saw JFK hit in the head, probably the shot from behind.

(c') He took the opportunity to motor forward to inform Chief Curry.

(d') When the limo roared past, they all headed for Parkland Hospital.

No other scenario makes any sense. It would not have happened if

the limousine were already traveling at high speed to the hospital.

They were in contact with Chief Curry by phone and he would have

already known before reaching the exit to the Stemmons Freeway.

As long as Chaney actually did motor forward to inform Chief Curry,

there is only one scenario that fits: the limo came to a stop; JFK was

hit in the back of the head; Chaney motored forward to inform Chief

Curry. Jerry Logan, who came out of nowhere, is a smooth operator.

And smooth operators can have a powerful effect on the weak-minded.

Thanks for posting the photo of the BRIDGE, which is CLEARLY not an underpass,

and is CLEARLY far away from Dealey Plaza where the witnesses described the

ACTIVITIES IN THE MOTORCADE.

I will give an example of the use of the words AS TEXANS USE THEM at least.

I live in Fort Worth, the 17th largest city in the US. Fort Worth has only FIVE

UNDERPASSES that I can think of...BUT IT HAS HUNDREDS OF BRIDGES. Texans

know the difference between a bridge and an underpass. In an underpass, THE

SIDES ARE ENCLOSED. Think of the word TUNNEL. An underpass in usually a

short TUNNEL under an obstruction (in Dealey Plaza a large number of rail tracks(.

On the other hand, bridges have NO ENCLOSURE. Bridges are a means of

transporting traffic OVER an obstruction, such as a road over a river or a road

over a river, or in some cases over an otherwise unsuitable area, like a swamp.

So word-splitter Logan would be laughed out of court trying to prove that the

Stemmons BRIDGE constituted an UNDERPASS. It is absurd. There is no

inclosure under the bridge making it into a tunnel. Traffic passing under a bridge

does NOT make it an underpass!

And from the Stemmons Freeway, Chief Curry could not look back into his

rear view mirror to see the activity he described about the JFK limo, BECAUSE

BY THAT TIME THE LIMO HAD ALREADY PASSED HIM.

Deliberate obfuscation of the truth shows which side Logan is on....truth or

COVERUP.

Jack

Ok Jack, I think we've had enough fun so let's get serious .

As you see it, it's all in my mind - that's a bridge not an underpass.

And no Texan, no one from Dallas in particular would call it an underpass because it's a bridge as any fool can plainly see, right?

They'd laugh someone out of court who called that anything but a bridge.

Well, as I'm sure you know, Officer Murphy and his three wheeler were assigned to sit on top of that "bridge" to provide security for the motorcade.

So, where exactly was Officer Murphy assigned?

And where did Officer Murphy think he was?

He wasn't assigned to a bridge - he was assigned to the overpass and he seemed to think he was on the Stemmons Freeway overpass.

What's underneath an overpass Jack?

If an overpass is above, what's below?

Jerry

Edited February 2, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Don Jeffries]

I think the critics of Jim Fetzer and Jack White are parsing words here. To me, the testimony of those witnesses cited clearly refers to actions that occurred only moments after shots were fired.

If you want to defend the integrity of the film record, and claim it doesn't show Chaney rushing forward, and therefore all witnesses who claimed he did were mistaken, that's one thing. But to over analyze the word "underpass" and maintain the witnesses didn't specify exactly what time they were referring to, smacks of desperation, in my view.

[Bernice Moore]

Jack Don whomever here are a few photos showing the sides closed in..of the underpass as i have them marked...fwtaw,,b

[Jerry Logan]

Jim,

If those are the only two alternatives you can imagine you have a very limited capacity to grasp the complexity of the real world.

Still, I don't think that subtly changing eyewitness statements is justified just because of your limited view.

The Triple Underpass was known as the Triple Underpass - Curry broadcasts that the lead car is at the Triple Underpass.

So when we have the well-know "Triple Underpass" and the Stemmons underpass why would you assume without note that Sorrels has chosen for reasons unknown to rename and downgrade the Triple Underpass?

Since you like to reason things out - why didn't Sorrels mention the limousine stop?

Jerry

Jerry Logan is a silver-tongued devil. The Triple Underpass is called the

"underpass" because that is its name. Since Jerry admits that there is

ample proof that Chaney motored forward to inform Chief Curry that the

president had been shot, WHEN COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? Unless

the motorcade stopped, there would have been no serious possibility.

Official account (ala Jerry Logan):

(a) Greer said he hit the accelerator after the second shot (Connally).

( From that point on, it was a high-speed race to Parkland Hospital.

© Cheif Curry would have known by then why they were racing there.

(d) There was no point in Chaney informing him what he already knew.

Revised account (John Costella, Jack White, Jim Fetzer, and others):

(a') Greer brought the limo to a stop (as 60 witnesses have reported).

(b') Chaney saw JFK hit in the head, probably the shot from behind.

(c') He took the opportunity to motor forward to inform Chief Curry.

(d') When the limo roared past, they all headed for Parkland Hospital.

No other scenario makes any sense. It would not have happened if

the limousine were already traveling at high speed to the hospital.

They were in contact with Chief Curry by phone and he would have

already known before reaching the exit to the Stemmons Freeway.

As long as Chaney actually did motor forward to inform Chief Curry,

there is only one scenario that fits: the limo came to a stop; JFK was

hit in the back of the head; Chaney motored forward to inform Chief

Curry. Jerry Logan, who came out of nowhere, is a smooth operator.

And smooth operators can have a powerful effect on the weak-minded.

Thanks for posting the photo of the BRIDGE, which is CLEARLY not an underpass,

and is CLEARLY far away from Dealey Plaza where the witnesses described the

ACTIVITIES IN THE MOTORCADE.

I will give an example of the use of the words AS TEXANS USE THEM at least.

I live in Fort Worth, the 17th largest city in the US. Fort Worth has only FIVE

UNDERPASSES that I can think of...BUT IT HAS HUNDREDS OF BRIDGES. Texans

know the difference between a bridge and an underpass. In an underpass, THE

SIDES ARE ENCLOSED. Think of the word TUNNEL. An underpass in usually a

short TUNNEL under an obstruction (in Dealey Plaza a large number of rail tracks(.

On the other hand, bridges have NO ENCLOSURE. Bridges are a means of

transporting traffic OVER an obstruction, such as a road over a river or a road

over a river, or in some cases over an otherwise unsuitable area, like a swamp.

So word-splitter Logan would be laughed out of court trying to prove that the

Stemmons BRIDGE constituted an UNDERPASS. It is absurd. There is no

inclosure under the bridge making it into a tunnel. Traffic passing under a bridge

does NOT make it an underpass!

And from the Stemmons Freeway, Chief Curry could not look back into his

rear view mirror to see the activity he described about the JFK limo, BECAUSE

BY THAT TIME THE LIMO HAD ALREADY PASSED HIM.

Deliberate obfuscation of the truth shows which side Logan is on....truth or

COVERUP.

Jack

Ok Jack, I think we've had enough fun so let's get serious .

As you see it, it's all in my mind - that's a bridge not an underpass.

And no Texan, no one from Dallas in particular would call it an underpass because it's a bridge as any fool can plainly see, right?

They'd laugh someone out of court who called that anything but a bridge.

Well, as I'm sure you know, Officer Murphy and his three wheeler were assigned to sit on top of that "bridge" to provide security for the motorcade.

So, where exactly was Officer Murphy assigned?

And where did Officer Murphy think he was?

He wasn't assigned to a bridge - he was assigned to the overpass and he seemed to think he was on the Stemmons Freeway overpass.

What's underneath an overpass Jack?

If an overpass is above, what's below?

Jerry

[Jerry Logan]

Well Don, I have repeatedly mentioned the McIntire and Altgens seven photos as well as Chief Curry's and Earl Brown's statements and there's been no reply.

However, since it's clear to you that all these eyewitness statements refer to something which occurred very quickly after the head shot and I'm just parsing trivial distinctions -

I'm hoping you can tell me how soon after the head shot SM Holland left the Triple underpass to check behind the fence? I've highlighted the word immediately for you, let me know what you think.

Jerry

I think the critics of Jim Fetzer and Jack White are parsing words here. To me, the testimony of those witnesses cited clearly refers to actions that occurred only moments after shots were fired.

If you want to defend the integrity of the film record, and claim it doesn't show Chaney rushing forward, and therefore all witnesses who claimed he did were mistaken, that's one thing. But to over analyze the word "underpass" and maintain the witnesses didn't specify exactly what time they were referring to, smacks of desperation, in my view.

[Jack White]

Jim,

If those are the only two alternatives you can imagine you have a very limited capacity to grasp the complexity of the real world.

Still, I don't think that subtly changing eyewitness statements is justified just because of your limited view.

The Triple Underpass was known as the Triple Underpass - Curry broadcasts that the lead car is at the Triple Underpass.

So when we have the well-know "Triple Underpass" and the Stemmons underpass why would you assume without note that Sorrels has chosen for reasons unknown to rename and downgrade the Triple Underpass?

Since you like to reason things out - why didn't Sorrels mention the limousine stop?

Jerry

Jerry Logan is a silver-tongued devil. The Triple Underpass is called the

"underpass" because that is its name. Since Jerry admits that there is

ample proof that Chaney motored forward to inform Chief Curry that the

president had been shot, WHEN COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? Unless

the motorcade stopped, there would have been no serious possibility.

Official account (ala Jerry Logan):

(a) Greer said he hit the accelerator after the second shot (Connally).

( From that point on, it was a high-speed race to Parkland Hospital.

© Cheif Curry would have known by then why they were racing there.

(d) There was no point in Chaney informing him what he already knew.

Revised account (John Costella, Jack White, Jim Fetzer, and others):

(a') Greer brought the limo to a stop (as 60 witnesses have reported).

(b') Chaney saw JFK hit in the head, probably the shot from behind.

(c') He took the opportunity to motor forward to inform Chief Curry.

(d') When the limo roared past, they all headed for Parkland Hospital.

No other scenario makes any sense. It would not have happened if

the limousine were already traveling at high speed to the hospital.

They were in contact with Chief Curry by phone and he would have

already known before reaching the exit to the Stemmons Freeway.

As long as Chaney actually did motor forward to inform Chief Curry,

there is only one scenario that fits: the limo came to a stop; JFK was

hit in the back of the head; Chaney motored forward to inform Chief

Curry. Jerry Logan, who came out of nowhere, is a smooth operator.

And smooth operators can have a powerful effect on the weak-minded.

Thanks for posting the photo of the BRIDGE, which is CLEARLY not an underpass,

and is CLEARLY far away from Dealey Plaza where the witnesses described the

ACTIVITIES IN THE MOTORCADE.

I will give an example of the use of the words AS TEXANS USE THEM at least.

I live in Fort Worth, the 17th largest city in the US. Fort Worth has only FIVE

UNDERPASSES that I can think of...BUT IT HAS HUNDREDS OF BRIDGES. Texans

know the difference between a bridge and an underpass. In an underpass, THE

SIDES ARE ENCLOSED. Think of the word TUNNEL. An underpass in usually a

short TUNNEL under an obstruction (in Dealey Plaza a large number of rail tracks(.

On the other hand, bridges have NO ENCLOSURE. Bridges are a means of

transporting traffic OVER an obstruction, such as a road over a river or a road

over a river, or in some cases over an otherwise unsuitable area, like a swamp.

So word-splitter Logan would be laughed out of court trying to prove that the

Stemmons BRIDGE constituted an UNDERPASS. It is absurd. There is no

inclosure under the bridge making it into a tunnel. Traffic passing under a bridge

does NOT make it an underpass!

And from the Stemmons Freeway, Chief Curry could not look back into his

rear view mirror to see the activity he described about the JFK limo, BECAUSE

BY THAT TIME THE LIMO HAD ALREADY PASSED HIM.

Deliberate obfuscation of the truth shows which side Logan is on....truth or

COVERUP.

Jack

Ok Jack, I think we've had enough fun so let's get serious .

As you see it, it's all in my mind - that's a bridge not an underpass.

And no Texan, no one from Dallas in particular would call it an underpass because it's a bridge as any fool can plainly see, right?

They'd laugh someone out of court who called that anything but a bridge.

Well, as I'm sure you know, Officer Murphy and his three wheeler were assigned to sit on top of that "bridge" to provide security for the motorcade.

So, where exactly was Officer Murphy assigned?

And where did Officer Murphy think he was?

He wasn't assigned to a bridge - he was assigned to the overpass and he seemed to think he was on the Stemmons Freeway overpass.

What's underneath an overpass Jack?

If an overpass is above, what's below?

Jerry

There is NO STEMMONS UNDERPASS. A bridge over a road is NOT an underpass. It is a bridge.

An underpass is TUNNEL, usually UNDER RAILROAD TRACKS. That is the ORIGINAL meaning.

It has come to mean ANY tunnel "under".

The TRIPLE UNDERPASS is one of the FEW UNDERPASSES in Dallas.

Trying to make bridges into underpasses does not fly.

Read the testimony.

Jack

Edited February 2, 2010 by Jack White

[Jerry Logan]

Jack,

I've not only read the testimony, I've posted it for everyone to see.

Maybe you think it's a bridge, the people who write dictionaries and the Dallas Police Department disagree and I've posted their words on the subject.

Simply repeating what you've said isn't making progress.

I'm sure you'd call it a bridge - other people don't including the Dallas Police Department on the day of the assassination.

It's there in black and white and saying it ain't so won't make it go away.

Jerry

There is NO STEMMONS UNDERPASS. A bridge over a road is NOT an underpass. It is a bridge.

An underpass is TUNNEL, usually UNDER RAILROAD TRACKS. That is the ORIGINAL meaning.

It has come to mean ANY tunnel "under".

The TRIPLE UNDERPASS is one of the FEW UNDERPASSES in Dallas.

Trying to make bridges into underpasses does not fly.

Read the testimony.

Jack

Jack

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

How many witnesses do we need, Jerry? The testimony is clear and there is only one reasonable explanation. I think you'd be a great Florida real estate or used car salesman. You'd make a mint!

Jim,

If those are the only two alternatives you can imagine you have a very limited capacity to grasp the complexity of the real world.

Still, I don't think that subtly changing eyewitness statements is justified just because of your limited view.

The Triple Underpass was known as the Triple Underpass - Curry broadcasts that the lead car is at the Triple Underpass.

So when we have the well-know "Triple Underpass" and the Stemmons underpass why would you assume without note that Sorrels has chosen for reasons unknown to rename and downgrade the Triple Underpass?

Since you like to reason things out - why didn't Sorrels mention the limousine stop?

Jerry

Jerry Logan is a silver-tongued devil. The Triple Underpass is called the

"underpass" because that is its name. Since Jerry admits that there is

ample proof that Chaney motored forward to inform Chief Curry that the

president had been shot, WHEN COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? Unless

the motorcade stopped, there would have been no serious possibility.

Official account (ala Jerry Logan):

(a) Greer said he hit the accelerator after the second shot (Connally).

( From that point on, it was a high-speed race to Parkland Hospital.

© Cheif Curry would have known by then why they were racing there.

(d) There was no point in Chaney informing him what he already knew.

Revised account (John Costella, Jack White, Jim Fetzer, and others):

(a') Greer brought the limo to a stop (as 60 witnesses have reported).

(b') Chaney saw JFK hit in the head, probably the shot from behind.

(c') He took the opportunity to motor forward to inform Chief Curry.

(d') When the limo roared past, they all headed for Parkland Hospital.

No other scenario makes any sense. It would not have happened if

the limousine were already traveling at high speed to the hospital.

They were in contact with Chief Curry by phone and he would have

already known before reaching the exit to the Stemmons Freeway.

As long as Chaney actually did motor forward to inform Chief Curry,

there is only one scenario that fits: the limo came to a stop; JFK was

hit in the back of the head; Chaney motored forward to inform Chief

Curry. Jerry Logan, who came out of nowhere, is a smooth operator.

And smooth operators can have a powerful effect on the weak-minded.

Thanks for posting the photo of the BRIDGE, which is CLEARLY not an underpass,

and is CLEARLY far away from Dealey Plaza where the witnesses described the

ACTIVITIES IN THE MOTORCADE.

I will give an example of the use of the words AS TEXANS USE THEM at least.

I live in Fort Worth, the 17th largest city in the US. Fort Worth has only FIVE

UNDERPASSES that I can think of...BUT IT HAS HUNDREDS OF BRIDGES. Texans

know the difference between a bridge and an underpass. In an underpass, THE

SIDES ARE ENCLOSED. Think of the word TUNNEL. An underpass in usually a

short TUNNEL under an obstruction (in Dealey Plaza a large number of rail tracks(.

On the other hand, bridges have NO ENCLOSURE. Bridges are a means of

transporting traffic OVER an obstruction, such as a road over a river or a road

over a river, or in some cases over an otherwise unsuitable area, like a swamp.

So word-splitter Logan would be laughed out of court trying to prove that the

Stemmons BRIDGE constituted an UNDERPASS. It is absurd. There is no

inclosure under the bridge making it into a tunnel. Traffic passing under a bridge

does NOT make it an underpass!

And from the Stemmons Freeway, Chief Curry could not look back into his

rear view mirror to see the activity he described about the JFK limo, BECAUSE

BY THAT TIME THE LIMO HAD ALREADY PASSED HIM.

Deliberate obfuscation of the truth shows which side Logan is on....truth or

COVERUP.

Jack

Ok Jack, I think we've had enough fun so let's get serious .

As you see it, it's all in my mind - that's a bridge not an underpass.

And no Texan, no one from Dallas in particular would call it an underpass because it's a bridge as any fool can plainly see, right?

They'd laugh someone out of court who called that anything but a bridge.

Well, as I'm sure you know, Officer Murphy and his three wheeler were assigned to sit on top of that "bridge" to provide security for the motorcade.

So, where exactly was Officer Murphy assigned?

And where did Officer Murphy think he was?

He wasn't assigned to a bridge - he was assigned to the overpass and he seemed to think he was on the Stemmons Freeway overpass.

What's underneath an overpass Jack?

If an overpass is above, what's below?

Jerry

Edited February 2, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Bernice Moore]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TEXANS CALLED IT.....26) Phil Willis---"…The [Presidential] party had come to a temporary halt before proceeding on to the underpass." [7 H 497; "Crossfire" by Jim Marrs (1989), p. 24];

27) Mrs. Phil (Marilyn) Willis---after the fatal head shot, "she stated the Presidential limousine paused momentarily and then sped away under the Triple Underpass." [FBI report dated 6/19/64; "Photographic Whitewash" by Harold Weisberg (1967), p. 179];

Edited February 2, 2010 by Bernice Moore

[Jerry Logan]

Oh Jim, you know I'm a big fan of accurately reported statements. I'm just pointing out there's more than one underpass on the way to Parkland and two witnesses put the meet up at the Stemmons on ramp. And everybody said they went to Parkland Hospital but that's not in the Zapruder film either - because Zapruder stopped filming before it happened.

So why didn't Sorrels report the limousine stop?

And why did Curry wait more than 30 seconds after the last shot to send the motorcade to Parkland hospital?

And how about those Altgens and McIntire photos? Chaney should be up front in those, right?

How and when were those photos altered?

And those clever forgers! Not only did they put Chaney way, way back in the McIntire photo (we'd expect no less), the forgers were also clever enough to paint relaxed and calm faces on the lead motorcycle officers.

Because if Curry had already sent the motorcade to Parkland by this time (as you believe) then the officers might be expected to show some concern and concentration - so it was a nice touch to make them so casual.

It's true, it might be hard for some to reconcile the obvious mastery of forgery in McIntire with the hack job, painted on patches and blobs in Zapruder, but I'm sure you'll think of a way to get it done.

Jerry

How many witnesses do we need, Jerry? The testimony is clear and there is only one reasonable explanation. I think you'd be a great Florida real estate or used car salesman. You'd make a mint!

Jim,

If those are the only two alternatives you can imagine you have a very limited capacity to grasp the complexity of the real world.

Still, I don't think that subtly changing eyewitness statements is justified just because of your limited view.

The Triple Underpass was known as the Triple Underpass - Curry broadcasts that the lead car is at the Triple Underpass.

So when we have the well-know "Triple Underpass" and the Stemmons underpass why would you assume without note that Sorrels has chosen for reasons unknown to rename and downgrade the Triple Underpass?

Since you like to reason things out - why didn't Sorrels mention the limousine stop?

Jerry

[Jerry Logan]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TEXANS CALLED IT.....26) Phil Willis---"…The [Presidential] party had come to a temporary halt before proceeding on to the underpass." [7 H 497; "Crossfire" by Jim Marrs (1989), p. 24];

27) Mrs. Phil (Marilyn) Willis---after the fatal head shot, "she stated the Presidential limousine paused momentarily and then sped away under the Triple Underpass." [FBI report dated 6/19/64; "Photographic Whitewash" by Harold Weisberg (1967), p. 179];

Thank you Bernice. I think we all agree that the Triple Underpass was an underpass.

Best to you,

Jerry

[Jack White]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TEXANS CALLED IT.....26) Phil Willis---"…The [Presidential] party had come to a temporary halt before proceeding on to the underpass." [7 H 497; "Crossfire" by Jim Marrs (1989), p. 24];

27) Mrs. Phil (Marilyn) Willis---after the fatal head shot, "she stated the Presidential limousine paused momentarily and then sped away under the Triple Underpass." [FBI report dated 6/19/64; "Photographic Whitewash" by Harold Weisberg (1967), p. 179];

Thank you Bernice. I think we all agree that the Triple Underpass was an underpass.

Best to you,

Jerry

The Triple Underpass is THE ONLY UNDERPASS IN DEALEY PLAZA.

Underpasses are TYPICALLY under rails above. That was the original meaning

of the word. An UNDERPASS is typically a closed TUNNEL under a rail crossing.

Separating roads from trains at grade level was originally called an underpass.

The state highway department calls it an UNDERCROSSING and a BRIDGE

when two streets have separate grade levels.

Jack