Chris Scally Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 The Triple Underpass is THE ONLY UNDERPASS IN DEALEY PLAZA. Underpasses are TYPICALLY under rails above. That was the original meaning of the word. An UNDERPASS is typically a closed TUNNEL under a rail crossing. Separating roads from trains at grade level was originally called an underpass. The state highway department calls it an UNDERCROSSING and a BRIDGE when two streets have separate grade levels. Jack Jack: Hopefully this explains what I mean - and I think what others also mean, with regard to the underpasses. Now, you (or anyone else) can call them anything you like, but I hope this at least identifies the structures in question. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 Thanks Chris. Ok. now i have my bearings on the "gantry position" seen in Daniels, and also how the "on ramp" actually curves around to lead on to the Stemmons freeway. Cheers. Robin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Now, you (or anyone else) can call them anything you like, but I hope this at least identifies the structures in question.Chris I prefer overpass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dugan Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Sometimes it just hard for someone to admit when they are wrong, even with photographic evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 The Triple Underpass is THE ONLY UNDERPASS IN DEALEY PLAZA. Underpasses are TYPICALLY under rails above. That was the original meaning of the word. An UNDERPASS is typically a closed TUNNEL under a rail crossing. Separating roads from trains at grade level was originally called an underpass. The state highway department calls it an UNDERCROSSING and a BRIDGE when two streets have separate grade levels. Jack Jack: Hopefully this explains what I mean - and I think what others also mean, with regard to the underpasses. Now, you (or anyone else) can call them anything you like, but I hope this at least identifies the structures in question. Chris Good view of the FREEWAY BRIDGE. At ground level it is clearly a BRIDGE, supported by columns. There is NO TUNNEL underneath the bridge. An underpass implies a TUNNEL GRADE SEPARATION to avoid an obstruction like a railway area. In Fort Worth, we have five underpasses that I can think of; we have hundreds of bridges. Everyone calls bridges "bridges" and underpasses "underpasses" without exception. All underpasses around here are "tunnels" with solid walls. Bridges are supported by open air COLUMNS. Princess Diana's car crashed in an underpass under a river. It was also called a tunnel. It was enclosed. Thanks for the nice Google view which gives a unique perspective of the Dealey Plaza area. It will help those who have never been to Dallas. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Geez, Jerry! It looks like you called it wrong. We're all really glad you are here, however, to help us in our search for truth. Bernice Moore Today, 11:51 AM Post #9 Super Member Group: JFK Posts: 1532 Joined: 12-April 04 From: Canada Member No.: 632 jack ; james simmons could possibly have been a witness to the motorcycle... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAMES SIMMONS; http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/simmons_j.htm Well, he fell and there was matter and a halo of blood. Q: Which way did he fall? A: To his left. Q: What did the limousine do then? A: It paused and then accelerated real fast after the motorcycle got out the way. Q: Did it go under the Triple Overpass? A: Yes, sir, went directly under us. Q: It went under you because you were standing on the overpass? A: Yes, sir. Q: At the time you saw this red halo, what did that appear to you to be? A: To the left side of his head. Q: Can you tell us what direction this went in, this matter? A: It went over the side of the car. Q: Which side of the car? A: The left side. -------------------- Biography http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=1999 Jack White Today, 05:18 PM Post #10 Super Member Group: Members Posts: 6385 Joined: 26-April 04 Member No.: 667 Q: What did the limousine do then? A: It paused and then accelerated real fast after the motorcycle got out the way. Q: Did it go under the Triple Overpass? A: Yes, sir, went directly under us. Fantastic, Bernice. A witness ON TOP OF THE UNDERPASS to CHANEY BEING AHEAD OF THE LIMO. It clearly identifies the motorcycle being ahead of the limo BEFORE THE LIMO ENTERS THE UNDERPASS. Players who bet on the Stemmons bridge will fold their hands with this royal flush witness testimony! Jack -------------------- Jack White is a widely known Texas JFK researcher who has studied the case since since 1963, has written widely on it, done TV documentaries, testified before the HSCA, and assisted Oliver Stone with the movie JFK. Jack White Today, 06:06 PM Post #11 Super Member Group: Members Posts: 6385 Joined: 26-April 04 Member No.: 667 QUOTE (Jack White @ Feb 2 2010, 03:18 PM) Q: What did the limousine do then? A: It paused and then accelerated real fast after the motorcycle got out the way. Q: Did it go under the Triple Overpass? A: Yes, sir, went directly under us. Fantastic, Bernice. A witness ON TOP OF THE UNDERPASS to CHANEY BEING AHEAD OF THE LIMO. It clearly identifies the motorcycle being ahead of the limo BEFORE THE LIMO ENTERS THE UNDERPASS. Players who bet on the Stemmons bridge will fold their hands with this royal flush witness testimony! Jack Players still absurdly continue to say that Chaney did not catch up to Curry until the Stemmons Freeway. I suggest that they read THIS testimony, WHICH IDENTIFIES THE TRIPLE UNDERPASS, because from atop it, he saw the motorcycle WAS IN THE WAY OF THE LIMO. He was NOT atop the Stemmons bridge. Jack -------------------- Jack White is a widely known Texas JFK researcher who has studied the case since since 1963, has written widely on it, done TV documentaries, testified before the HSCA, and assisted Oliver Stone with the movie JF --------------------------------------------------------------------------------TEXANS CALLED IT.....26) Phil Willis---"…The [Presidential] party had come to a temporary halt before proceeding on to the underpass." [7 H 497; "Crossfire" by Jim Marrs (1989), p. 24]; 27) Mrs. Phil (Marilyn) Willis---after the fatal head shot, "she stated the Presidential limousine paused momentarily and then sped away under the Triple Underpass." [FBI report dated 6/19/64; "Photographic Whitewash" by Harold Weisberg (1967), p. 179]; Thank you Bernice. I think we all agree that the Triple Underpass was an underpass. Best to you, Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Logan Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Right Jim. Truth and reading comprehension. The motorcycle got out of the way and the limousine raced into the triple underpass. Because the statement says the limousine entered the triple underpass, not the motorcycle. And so, in your mind, the motorcycle "getting out of the way" equals the motorcycle "racing in front of". I know you'd really, really like that statement to say the motorcycle led the limo into the underpass but unfortunately you've ....added.... something to the statement that isn't there. And I'm supposed to be the silver-tongued word twister? However, if you're looking for truth how about explaining those Altgens and McIntire photos? And why didn't Sorrels mention the limousine stop? And why was Curry's Parkland broadcast more than thirty seconds after the last shot? Jerry Geez, Jerry! It looks like you called it wrong. We're all really glad you are here, however, to help us in our search for truth. Bernice Moore Today, 11:51 AM Post #9 Super Member Group: JFK Posts: 1532 Joined: 12-April 04 From: Canada Member No.: 632 jack ; james simmons could possibly have been a witness to the motorcycle... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAMES SIMMONS; http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/simmons_j.htm Well, he fell and there was matter and a halo of blood. Q: Which way did he fall? A: To his left. Q: What did the limousine do then? A: It paused and then accelerated real fast after the motorcycle got out the way. Q: Did it go under the Triple Overpass? A: Yes, sir, went directly under us. Q: It went under you because you were standing on the overpass? A: Yes, sir. Q: At the time you saw this red halo, what did that appear to you to be? A: To the left side of his head. Q: Can you tell us what direction this went in, this matter? A: It went over the side of the car. Q: Which side of the car? A: The left side. -------------------- Biography http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=1999 Jack White Today, 05:18 PM Post #10 Super Member Group: Members Posts: 6385 Joined: 26-April 04 Member No.: 667 Q: What did the limousine do then? A: It paused and then accelerated real fast after the motorcycle got out the way. Q: Did it go under the Triple Overpass? A: Yes, sir, went directly under us. Fantastic, Bernice. A witness ON TOP OF THE UNDERPASS to CHANEY BEING AHEAD OF THE LIMO. It clearly identifies the motorcycle being ahead of the limo BEFORE THE LIMO ENTERS THE UNDERPASS. Players who bet on the Stemmons bridge will fold their hands with this royal flush witness testimony! Jack -------------------- Jack White is a widely known Texas JFK researcher who has studied the case since since 1963, has written widely on it, done TV documentaries, testified before the HSCA, and assisted Oliver Stone with the movie JFK. Jack White Today, 06:06 PM Post #11 Super Member Group: Members Posts: 6385 Joined: 26-April 04 Member No.: 667 QUOTE (Jack White @ Feb 2 2010, 03:18 PM) Q: What did the limousine do then? A: It paused and then accelerated real fast after the motorcycle got out the way. Q: Did it go under the Triple Overpass? A: Yes, sir, went directly under us. Fantastic, Bernice. A witness ON TOP OF THE UNDERPASS to CHANEY BEING AHEAD OF THE LIMO. It clearly identifies the motorcycle being ahead of the limo BEFORE THE LIMO ENTERS THE UNDERPASS. Players who bet on the Stemmons bridge will fold their hands with this royal flush witness testimony! Jack Players still absurdly continue to say that Chaney did not catch up to Curry until the Stemmons Freeway. I suggest that they read THIS testimony, WHICH IDENTIFIES THE TRIPLE UNDERPASS, because from atop it, he saw the motorcycle WAS IN THE WAY OF THE LIMO. He was NOT atop the Stemmons bridge. Jack -------------------- Jack White is a widely known Texas JFK researcher who has studied the case since since 1963, has written widely on it, done TV documentaries, testified before the HSCA, and assisted Oliver Stone with the movie JF --------------------------------------------------------------------------------TEXANS CALLED IT.....26) Phil Willis---"…The [Presidential] party had come to a temporary halt before proceeding on to the underpass." [7 H 497; "Crossfire" by Jim Marrs (1989), p. 24]; 27) Mrs. Phil (Marilyn) Willis---after the fatal head shot, "she stated the Presidential limousine paused momentarily and then sped away under the Triple Underpass." [FBI report dated 6/19/64; "Photographic Whitewash" by Harold Weisberg (1967), p. 179]; Thank you Bernice. I think we all agree that the Triple Underpass was an underpass. Best to you, Jerry Edited February 2, 2010 by Jerry Logan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Logan, feigning incomprehensibility, pretends not to understand after the motorcycle got out the way Nobody said anything about "led the limousine into the underpass". Those are Logan's words. The quote says... after the motorcycle got out the way Unless Logan is dumber than he pretends, that is a very clear statement. NOW, we will put Logan to the test. He needs to show us any Zapruder frame where a motorcycle is in the way of the limousine. Next? Jack Edited February 2, 2010 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Logan Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Oh Good God, it's even worse than I imagined. Jack seems to think that a motorcycle getting out of the way before the Triple underpass says anything about where Chaney met the lead car. A motorcycle got out of the way on Elm so Chaney couldn't have caught up with Curry at the Stemmons underpass. Right, that really puts the Stemmons on ramp to rest. Unless, of course, you think the motorcycle led the limousine into the triple underpass....but I've given Jack too much credit and he says that's not what he meant at all. I just thought he didn't know what Simmons meant by "It." I didn't realize Jack had gone past mere confusion into complete non sequitur. So, if that's what Jack really means, I'll post a response to "getting out of the way" in his witness thread because we seem to be posting the same things in two different places. There's some Logan, feigning incomprehensibility, pretends not to understandafter the motorcycle got out the way Nobody said anything about "led the limousine into the underpass". Those are Logan's words. The quote says... after the motorcycle got out the way Unless Logan is dumber than he pretends, that is a very clear statement. NOW, we will put Logan to the test. He needs to show us any Zapruder frame where a motorcycle is in the way of the limousine. Next? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Oh Good God, it's even worse than I imagined! Jerry not only doesn't grasp the difference between bridges and underpasses--even when it's been explained to him with photographs and specific descriptions--but he thinks that the mass of evidence we have accumulated is STILL NOT ENOUGH! Egad, Jerry, how much do we need? There is only one time and place this could have taken place, as I have explained before. You are either cognitively impaired or feigning incomprehension. Which is it? Jerry Logan is a silver-tongued devil. The Triple Underpass is called the"underpass" because that is its name. Since Jerry admits that there is ample proof that Chaney motored forward to inform Chief Curry that the president had been shot, WHEN COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? Unless the motorcade stopped, there would have been no serious possibility. Official account (ala Jerry Logan): (a) Greer said he hit the accelerator after the second shot (Connally). ( From that point on, it was a high-speed race to Parkland Hospital. © Cheif Curry would have known by then why they were racing there. (d) There was no point in Chaney informing him what he already knew. Revised account (John Costella, Jack White, Jim Fetzer, and others): (a') Greer brought the limo to a stop (as 60 witnesses have reported). (b') Chaney saw JFK hit in the head, probably the shot from behind. (c') He took the opportunity to motor forward to inform Chief Curry. (d') When the limo roared past, they all headed for Parkland Hospital. No other scenario makes any sense. It would not have happened if the limousine were already traveling at high speed to the hospital. They were in contact with Chief Curry by phone and he would have already known before reaching the exit to the Stemmons Freeway. As long as Chaney actually did motor forward to inform Chief Curry, there is only one scenario that fits: the limo came to a stop; JFK was hit in the back of the head; Chaney motored forward to inform Chief Curry. Jerry Logan, who came out of nowhere, is a smooth operator. And smooth operators can have a powerful effect on the weak-minded. Thanks for posting the photo of the BRIDGE, which is CLEARLY not an underpass, and is CLEARLY far away from Dealey Plaza where the witnesses described the ACTIVITIES IN THE MOTORCADE. I will give an example of the use of the words AS TEXANS USE THEM at least. I live in Fort Worth, the 17th largest city in the US. Fort Worth has only FIVE UNDERPASSES that I can think of...BUT IT HAS HUNDREDS OF BRIDGES. Texans know the difference between a bridge and an underpass. In an underpass, THE SIDES ARE ENCLOSED. Think of the word TUNNEL. An underpass in usually a short TUNNEL under an obstruction (in Dealey Plaza a large number of rail tracks(. On the other hand, bridges have NO ENCLOSURE. Bridges are a means of transporting traffic OVER an obstruction, such as a road over a river or a road over a river, or in some cases over an otherwise unsuitable area, like a swamp. So word-splitter Logan would be laughed out of court trying to prove that the Stemmons BRIDGE constituted an UNDERPASS. It is absurd. There is no inclosure under the bridge making it into a tunnel. Traffic passing under a bridge does NOT make it an underpass! And from the Stemmons Freeway, Chief Curry could not look back into his rear view mirror to see the activity he described about the JFK limo, BECAUSE BY THAT TIME THE LIMO HAD ALREADY PASSED HIM. Deliberate obfuscation of the truth shows which side Logan is on....truth or COVERUP. Jack Oh Good God, it's even worse than I imagined. Jack seems to think that a motorcycle getting out of the way before the Triple underpass says anything about where Chaney met the lead car. A motorcycle got out of the way on Elm so Chaney couldn't have caught up with Curry at the Stemmons underpass. Right, that really puts the Stemmons on ramp to rest. Unless, of course, you think the motorcycle led the limousine into the triple underpass....but I've given Jack too much credit and he says that's not what he meant at all. I just thought he didn't know what Simmons meant by "It." I didn't realize Jack had gone past mere confusion into complete non sequitur.So, if that's what Jack really means, I'll post a response to "getting out of the way" in his witness thread because we seem to be posting the same things in two different places. There's some Logan, feigning incomprehensibility, pretends not to understandafter the motorcycle got out the way Nobody said anything about "led the limousine into the underpass". Those are Logan's words. The quote says... after the motorcycle got out the way Unless Logan is dumber than he pretends, that is a very clear statement. NOW, we will put Logan to the test. He needs to show us any Zapruder frame where a motorcycle is in the way of the limousine. Next? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 He does not grasp that A MOTORCYCLE in the way of the limo speeding up BEFORE IT REACHES THE UNDERPASS IS NOT SEEN IN THE ZAPRUDER FILM! Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Logan Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) That's right Jim. Me and the Dallas Police Department. We're all helplessly confused. And Officer Murphy thought he was on an overpass! Oh Good God, it's even worse than I imagined! Jerry not only doesn'tgrasp the difference between bridges and underpasses--even when it's been explained to him with photographs and specific descriptions--but he thinks that the mass of evidence we have accumulated is STILL NOT ENOUGH! Egad, Jerry, how much do we need? There is only one time and place this could have taken place, as I have explained before. You are either cognitively impaired or feigning incomprehension. Which is it? Edited February 2, 2010 by Jerry Logan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Logan Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Oh but it is Jack, just not in front of the limousine like you've assumed. He does not grasp that A MOTORCYCLE in the way of the limo speeding up BEFORE IT REACHES THE UNDERPASSIS NOT SEEN IN THE ZAPRUDER FILM! Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: THE ZAPRUDER FILM SHOWS NO MOTORCYCLE AHEAD OF THE JFK LIMO BEFORE THE UNDERPASS. IF THERE WAS A MOTORCYCLE AHEAD OF THE LIMO ON ELM AND THE Z FILM DOES NOT SHOW IT, THE Z FILM HAS BEEN ALTERED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dugan Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Alright, Jack and Jim, where has the motorcycle been photoshopped out of this photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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