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This thread is the story of how the John Birch Society were the "Ring Leaders" of the hit on JFK. There are some that don't want this much solving for the JFK assassination to be aired, but the "Birchers" were the "Ring Leaders" on the JFK hit.

The information in this thread pretty well puts all those writing poor books on the JFK assassination and misleading the public's information on what plot killed JFK out of business. Those making money from misleading and partial truth story books on the misfortune of a Dead President are just as bad as the plotters themselves.

The Birchers plot Succeeded in killing JFK and getting away with it, but threw the US more deeply into Fascist control that is exploiting the US into near destruction today.

I learned of this association on Nov. 22, 1963 from connections within the Oak Ridge Y-12 Nuclear Weapons Plant that had connections with this group in Dallas. The Oak Ridge hate for JFK was greater than that for Dallas. Oak Ridge was involved with the CIA and the LHO hit on Castro with Cancer method, and the last thing Oak Ridge wanted was Peace with Communist Russia and Cuba.

In the 60s this JBS link to the JFK assassination was highly covered up, but once everyone realizes the culprits were known about the very day it happened, then one can easily find the cover up pattern today and tons of information on the Internet that supports the JBS "Ring Leader" associations and basically solve the JFK assassination in short order. Solving the JFK assassination isn't difficult, if one follows that association.


Robert Welch in 1958 predicting Insiders plans to destroy America

Did JFK pay close attention?



In April 1961 Major General Edwin Walker, commander of the 24th Infantry Division in Europe and stationed in Augsburg, Germany was accused of indoctrinating his troops with right-wing literature from the John Birch Society. With the agreement of President John F. Kennedy, Defense Secretary Robert McNarmara relieved Walker of his command an announced an investigation into the affair.


Robert W. Welch died on 6th January, 1965


Why does government have to be 100% Capitalism or 100% Communist or 100% Socialism. As far as the Communists go I don't endorse them and I don't want them in my country. But maybe some kind of blend of Capitalism and Socialism. There are always going to be unfortunates in the world, handicapped people, schizophrenics who live on the street. We can't kill these people as Hitler would, but we can help them with various programs. Why don't we realize this and help these people -- not illegal immigrants -- but the true people of America? And bring back our soldiers from overseas. And spend our money on America. America should come first. People seem to forget we have a Constitution.

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Why does government have to be 100% Capitalism or 100% Communist or 100% Socialism. As far as the Communists go I don't endorse them and I don't want them in my country. But maybe some kind of blend of Capitalism and Socialism. There are always going to be unfortunates in the world, handicapped people, schizophrenics who live on the street. We can't kill these people as Hitler would, but we can help them with various programs. Why don't we realize this and help these people -- not illegal immigrants -- but the true people of America? And bring back our soldiers from overseas. And spend our money on America. America should come first. People seem to forget we have a Constitution.

Kathy C

Hello Ms. Kathy,

I think your insights are on target for a well run and not exploited American People, where the Govt. isn't high jacked from the Jeffersonian and Constitutional Values everyone wanted. The US fought their war of Independence because they didn't want to be a Colony and exploited by England's Royalist Power. But due to the corruption of Capitalism, the US is again under the exploitation of the London Bankers, the Masons that are loyal to London (like Ben Frankin), and the US is exploited to the point of near economic slavery to promote these wars for power and control over the world for these overbearing International Crooks. Some claim they are benovolent, but they seem to well miss that mark as they seem to fit the issues for the Beast of Revelations.

Communism is the extreme left form of Socialism, and seems to come to that extreme when the capitalists attempt to subvert Socialism. Communism typically bans religion so that can't be used to promote many of the games for capitalism that were instilled in religion since the times of Rome, King James, and so forth to sanitize the issue that the Essene and Jesus folks were Socialistic. Communism makes all things the property of the state, so you can't have greedy capitalists trying to amass great wealth and power to take over the Govt. Communism tends to be one ditch, and extreme right capitalism the other ditch, and the game is to steer Govt. by and for the People down the middle of the road.

There are things that work better under socilistic control and other things that work better under limited capitalist methods. And really, there needs to be some dynamic regulation of either method's uses to keep matters going down the center of the road and not in the ditch of extreme fascist capitalism oligarchic controls, and away from the other ditch of Communism. It takes an educated public to understand this middle of the road approach to have a rising tide lift all boats, as JFK would say. IF extreme right capitalism is held in check, there would likely be no need for the other extreme called Communism. Middle of the road streering comes from an educated America that understands the need to beat back fascism in wealth, and not become the pawns of the extreme right capitalist wealth as the JBS became.

Good Govt. is a blend of things that work well with moderate capitalism and socilaism. Limited capitalism, where small businesses make tons of jobs and keep people working are good for America. However, massive conglomerates, on the model of IG Farbin that Rockefeller taight Germany, that have so much wealth that they buy the Congress, get them elected or unelected is not good for America.

Capitalism to the extent of a Private Greedy Banker Federal Reserve is not good for America, and plots wars, extracts usury, and needs to be eliminated so that proper Federal Banking is run by the Govt., so there does not exist usury and if it does slightly, all the profits returned to the People's better use. No shares of the Peoples money needs to be diverted toward the Private International Bankers purpose or use, and if that happened, declair it as war on America, and those so involved need to be nuked.

Social Security is a necessary thing, and the crooks of the capitalistic controlled House and Congress need to be tossed out of Govt. permanently and their pensions cancelled for not seeing to it that SS was well run and not gutted by their reckless rackets in Govt. malfeasance.

The US has not been served by the Mega-Wealth types that conspired as the JBS did to control the Govt., further the control of Foreign Policy for the Rockefeller CIAA, etc.

While the US has some rules over monopoly, these do not extend to International issues, as the US is controlled in big banking via International Bankers and their huge Industry Conglomerate held wealth, and that is the root of today's problems in the US and really the world. It is going to have to become an International Effort to break up these groups that seek to overpower Govts., make continual wars, and exploit everything for their greater power and control. That might be the ultimate message for Revelations, as this massive problem will bring back the messeage of the Essene to be good stewards of the planet, make sure everyone is well and cared for, and their system was a socialistic design.

Perhaps that is the extreme right capitalists biggest fear, as the truth will be told as the world continues to fall apart under the wrong system of values. Their system of values has been one to undermine the truth, but the truth will always bubble up to the top and even if it takes a great war--the target needs to be those that really caused it--those that managed by deceit and treachery. One of the old indicators is when all around you is lies, you have reached the definition for Hell. So, enought of the lies, enough of the exploiters, time for truths, time for nukes not aimed at the People but those that exploited and corrupted even religion for their satanic goal.


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It appears that collecting all the Bircher issues into one thread area is forming an overwhelming case for the Birchers being the Ring Leaders on the JFK hit.

OK, We have looked at one of the main Bircher "Mouthpieces", Revilo Oliver. Now, lets take a look at the NAZI supporting Texas Billionair "Billionaire Money Bags" for the Birchers, HL Hunt. Hunt appears one of the NAZI types that likes to bring in the Jewish types for the JFK hit and LHO hit. Yeah, LHO was a Bircher hit too, an informant on the dirty out of control Bircher gang intent on killing JFK.

Hunt would be using Ruby to knock off LHO and also using Nagy's big International hit squad, PERMINDEX run by Bloomfield, to kill JFK. Dallas based Nagy's PERMINDEX services were for sale to the CIA, as well as to these Hunt and Rockefeller CIAA and Intelligence efforts. Knowledge of this led to Joseph Milteer's bragging openly on the JFK hit before it happened and fingering the "Big Jew" as being responsible.

"Mega-Bircher" HL Hunt and his oil billions link up to Rockefellers of Standard Oil that set up the JBS and lots of the other big US oil types, many of whom are Birchers also. That aligns well with the Jackie and RFK "Big Oil" theme on who killed John, but they didn't say Birchers. However, Ms. Lincoln was not afraid to point at the Birchers in her list of suspects written on AF1 coming back from Dallas with the Dead President. It was likely her first entry and top suspect, as the ink color was different for the John Birch listing.

One of the better writings to expose the Hunt's billionare games is "Yellow Roses" by David Reitzes and parts of his writing is online these days, at:



But, lets check out this page on the topic of the Hunts below. Keep in mind the Hunts put together a large security and intelligence network and also tried some killers on demand from General Walker, also a Bircher. Hunt, Walker, Rousellot are on record for plotting to kill JFK as Birchers.

LHO interestingly appears concerned for his position in Dallas and writes to one of the Hunts. Now why would LHO be asking of his position with the Bircher crowd out of control in Dallas and LHO reporting the Bircher crooks to the FBI.



A decade after LBJ's death, a friend of Estes, a federal marshal, talked

Estes into coming forward with what he knew about Henry Marshall's death.

Then on August 9, 1984, following Billie Sol Estes' grand jury testimony

regarding Mac Wallace's murder of Henry Marshall, Estes' attorney,

Douglas Caddy sent a letter to Stephen S. Trott, Assistant Attorney

General, Criminal Division, of the US Department of Justice. The letter


Dear Mr. Trott:

My client, Mr. Estes, has authorized me to make this reply to your letter

of May 29, 1984.

Mr. Estes was a member of a four-member group, headed by Lyndon Johnson,

which committed criminal acts in Texas in the 1960s. The other two,

besides Mr. Estes and LBJ, were [White House aide] Cliff Carter and Mac

Wallace. Mr. Estes is willing to disclose his knowledge concerning the

following criminal offenses:

1. Murders

1. The killing of Henry Marshall 2. The killing of George Krutilek 3. The

killing of Ike Rogers and his secretary 4. The killing of Harold Orr 5.

The killing of Coleman Wade 6. The killing of Josefa Johnson 7. The

killing of John Kinser 8. The killing of President J. F. Kennedy

Mr. Estes is willing to testify that LBJ ordered these killings, and that

he transmitted his orders through Cliff Carter to Mac Wallace, who

executed the murders. In the cases of murders nos. 1-7, Mr. Estes'

knowledge of the precise details concerning the way the murders were

executed stems from conversations he had shortly after each event with

Cliff Carter and Mac Wallace.

In addition, a short time after Mr. Estes was released from prison in

1971, he met with Cliff Carter and they reminisced about what had

occurred in the past, including the murders. During their conversation,

Carter orally compiled a list of 17 murders which had been committed,

some of which Mr. Estes was unfamiliar [sic]. A living witness was

present at that meeting and should be willing to testify about it. He is

Kyle Brown, recently of Houston and now living in Brady, Texas. . . .

It continues for several more pages, detailing many other crimes Estes

had knowledge of, including illegal cotton allotments and payoffs.

Estes' testimony was conditional on certain demands, including immunity

from prosecution, a full pardon, and absolution of past income tax debts.

Talks between the Justice Department and Billie Sol Estes broke off later

in the year.

On June 19, 1992, US Marshall Clint Peoples told a friend of his that he

had documentary evidence that Mac Wallace was one of the shooters in

Dealey Plaza. On June 23rd, Peoples, a former Texas Ranger and a onetime

friend of Henry Marshall, was killed in a mysterious one-car automobile

accident in Texas.

Investigator Harrison Livingstone spoke to Kyle Brown, named as a witness

in the above letter, at length in 1993, and Brown backed up everything

Livingstone had heard. Kyle Brown, to this day, is one of Billie Sol

Estes' closest friends.

On March 12, 1998, a 1951 fingerprint of Malcolm "Mac" Wallace was

positively matched with a copy of a fingerprint labeled "Unknown," a

fresh print lifted on November 22, 1963, from a carton by the southeast

sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository. This carton was

labeled "Box A," and also contained several fingerprints identified as

those of Lee Harvey Oswald. The identification was made by A. Nathan

Darby, a Certified Latent Print Examiner with several decades experience.

Mr. Darby is a member of the International Association of Identifiers,

and was chosen to help design the Eastman Kodak Miracode System of

transmitting fingerprints between law enforcement agencies. Mr. Darby

signed a sworn, notarized affidavit stating that he was able to affirm a

14-point match between the "Unknown" fingerprint and the "blind" print

card submitted to him, which was the 1951 print of Mac Wallace's. US law

requires a 12-point match for legal identification; Darby's match is more

conclusive than the legal minimum. As cardboard does not retain

fingerprints for long, it is certain that Malcolm E. Wallace left his

fingerprint on "Box A" on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book

Depository early on November 22, 1963.

The FBI currently has custody of the Mac Wallace fingerprint, Nathan

Darby's sworn affidavit, and several hundred pages of corroborative

evidence developed by Texas research group which is currently remaining

anonymous. Brown has received permission from the group to release the

name of one eyewitness to some of the covert business dealings between

Lyndon B. Johnson and members of the assassination plot. This is Barr

McClellan of Houston, Texas, onetime attorney for the law firm led by Ed

Clark, which had represented Lyndon B. Johnson in the 1960s.

Biographer Robert A. Caro, author of two volumes to date in the

groundbreaking series *The Years of Lyndon Johnson* writes:

"Because Lyndon Johnson would have been only sixty-seven years old, when,

in 1975, I began my research on his life, most of his contemporaries were

still alive. This made it possible to find out what he was like while he

was growing up from the best possible sources: those who grew up with

him. And it also makes it possible to clear away . . . the misinformation

that has surrounded the early life of Lyndon Johnson.

"The extent of this misinformation, the reason it exists, and the

importance of clearing it away, so that the character of our thirty-sixth

President will become clear, became evident to me while researching his

years at college. The articles and biographies which have dealt with

these years have in general portrayed Johnson as a popular, even

charismatic, campus figure. The oral histories of his classmates

collected by the Lyndon Johnson library portray him in the same light. In

the early stages of my research, I had no reason to think there was

anything more to the story. Indeed, when one of the first of his

classmates whom I interviewed, Henry Kyle, told me a very different

story, I believed that because Kyle had been defeated by Johnson in a

number of campus encounters, I was hearing only a prejudiced account by

an embittered man, and did not even bother typing up my notes of the


"Then, however, I began to interview other classmates. . . . When I found

them, I was told the old anecdotes that had become part of the Lyndon

Johnson myth. But over and over again, the man or woman I was

interviewing would tell me that these anecdotes were not the whole story.

When I asked for the rest of it, they wouldn't tell it. A man named

Vernon Whiteside could have told me, they said, but, they said, they had

heard that Vernon Whiteside was dead.

"One day, however, I phoned Horace Richards, a Johnson classmate who

lived in Corpus Christi, to arrange to drive down from Austin to see him.

Richards said that there was indeed a great deal more to the story of

Lyndon Johnson at college than had been told, but that he wouldn't tell

me unless Vernon Whiteside would too. But Whiteside was dead, I said.

"Hell, no," Richards said. "He's not dead. He was here visiting me just

last week.

". . . I traced Mr. Whiteside to a mobile home court in Highland Beach,

Florida . . . flew there to see him, and from him heard for the first

time many of the character-revealing episodes of Lyndon Johnson's years

at San Marcos at which the other classmates had hinted. And when I

returned to these classmates, they confirmed Whiteside's account;

Richards himself added many details. And now they told additional

stories, not at all like the ones they had told before . . . [a]nd the

portrait of Lyndon Johnson at San Marcos that finally emerged was very

different from the one previously sketched.

"The experience was repeated again and again during the seven years spent

on this book. Of the hundreds of persons interviewed, scores had never

been interviewed before, and the information these persons have provided

-- in some cases even though they were quite worried about providing it

-- has helped form a portrait of Lyndon Johnson substantially different

from all previous portraits" (Caro, The Years of Lyndon Johnson: The Path

to Power, 769-70).

This passage demonstrates the power that Lyndon Baines Johnson wielded

over people; even people who hadn't seen him in fifty years; even people

who knew nothing of him but his childhood and teen years -- people who

knew no secrets of state, no political ammunition, little more than

gossip; people who continued to fear him and "his people" even after

Lyndon Baines Johnson, in fact, was dead.

Caro continues:

"Prior to his entrance into campus politics at San Marcos, 'no one,' as

another student recalled, 'cared about campus politics.' Elections -- for

class offices or the Student Council -- were casual affairs. But Johnson

saw in those elections an opportunity to obtain a measure of control,

small but pivotal, over the fate of some of his fellow students. At this

'poor boys' school,' a diploma was for many students the only hope of

escape from a life of poverty and brutal physical toil on their families'

impoverished ranches and farms, and in the Depression, campus jobs, with

their tiny cash stipends, represented the only means by which these young

men could stay in school and obtain their diplomas. Johnson saw a method

by which the victors in campus politics could obtain authority to

dispense those jobs. And to obtain this power that no one else had

focused on, he did what no one else on the sleepy campus had done:

created, out of a small social club, a disciplined and secret political

organization. And when, because of his personal unpopularity, the club

could not, despite his organizing, win elections, he taught

unsophisticated farm boys how to steal elections (and how to win them by

other methods: 'blackmailing' a popular rival woman candidate out of a

race over a meaningless indiscretion, for example; 'things we would never

have dreamt of if it hadn't been for Lyndon'). College Hill's pattern was

repeated on Capitol Hill in 1933 and 1934. The 'Little Congress' of

congressional aides was a social organization. But Lyndon Johnson saw in

its presidency a means of entree to men of power. Again there were

repeated complaints, this time from fellow Little Congress members, that

he had 'stolen' elections ('Everyone said it: "In that last election that

damn Lyndon Johnson stole some votes again"'). When, in 1933 and 1934,

Johnson was accused of 'stuffing' a ballot box, he was not yet

represented by Abe Fortas, and his accusers succeeded in accomplishing

what Fortas prevented Johnson's 1948 accusers from accomplishing: opening

the ballot box. When the Little Congress box was opened, it was found

that the accusations against Johnson were true. Again, as at college,

what he had done was unprecedented: no one had ever stuffed a Little

Congress ballot box before. (And, perhaps no one would ever stuff one

again, for after his departure the organization quickly reverted to its

easygoing social role; 'My God, who would cheat to win the presidency of

something like the Little Congress?') In his first campaign for the

Senate, he stole thousands of votes, and when they proved insufficient

('He ['Pappy' O'Daniel] stole more votes than we did, that's all'), his

reaction was to try to steal still more, and his failure in this attempt

was due only to [an] irredeemable tactical error, not to any change in

the pattern . . . At each previous stage of his career, then, Johnson's

election tactics had made clear not only a hunger for power but a

willingness to take (within the context of American politics, of course;

the coups and assassinations that characterize other countries' politics

were not and never would be included in his calculations) whatever

political steps would be necessary to satisfy that hunger. Over and over

again, he had stretched the rules of the game to their breaking point,

and then had broken them, pushing deeper into the ethical and legal

no-man's-land beyond them than others were willing to go. Now, in 1948 .

. . he was operating beyond the loosest boundaries of prevailing custom

and political morality. What had been demonstrated before was now

underlined in the strongest terms: in the context of the politics that

was his life, Lyndon Johnson would do whatever was necessary to win. Even

in terms of the most elastic political morality -- the political morality

of 1940s Texas -- his methods were amoral" (Robert A. Caro, *The Years of

Lyndon Johnson: Means of Ascent,* 397-98).

Lyndon Johnson could not have acted without the assistance of his best

friend, the most powerful law enforcement agent in the world, J. Edgar

Hoover, Director of the FBI. An operation such as this could not be run

without enormous cash reserves, businesses in which to launder funds and

transmit orders, to set up trusts for beneficiaries at a later date; the

kind of money that H. L. Hunt had; the kind of money that Clint Murchison

had. In 1963, oilman H. L. Hunt was literally one of the richest men in

world, estimated to be worth five billion dollars.

H. L. Hunt had the kind of money that could buy trucks, jeeps, guns, and

explosives for the Minutemen and the John Birch Society; could fund a

radio station making daily broadcasts interpreting the day's news in

light of the terrible "Communist threat" in the inner corridors of

Washington; could build munitions plants and helicopter factories just in

case a war should suddenly erupt; could keep active men with valuable

connections such as Sergio Arcacha Smith and Jack Ruby on the payroll.

Hunt and his sons had a private intelligence agency up and running to

combat the Communist threat, having hired intelligence agents away from

their government positions to charge for their loyalties by the hour.

Their man in charge was Paul Rothermel, an ex-FBI agent presiding over a

host of ex-FBI agents, and ex-CIA assets could also be counted on to keep

their mouths shut. Hunt's top aide for many years, John Curington,

eventually left the organization, fed up playing cops and robbers without

a badge.

He told Harrison Livingstone that not only was Lamar Hunt chatting with

Ruby on November 21st, but shortly after Oswald's arrest, H. L. himself

requested that Curington personally take a stroll over to DPD

headquarters to see how tight security was around the suspect. He added

that Curington should make a point to check out the elevators they were

using to transport the prisoner. Curington strode into the building, rang

for the elevator, and when the doors opened he found himself face to face

with Lee Harvey Oswald. Oswald's police escort introduced the two men

(Livingstone, *Killing the Truth,* 502). His employer was pleased to

learn that security around the prisoner was rather lax.

Curington saw Marina Oswald depart from a private meeting with H. L. Hunt

one evening in December 1963. "Hunt asked me to lock everything up and

prevent anyone from coming upstairs on the elevator. As I waited, an

elevator came down and Marina Oswald came out of it, left the building,

and got into a waiting car. I'm absolutely sure it was her" (Livingstone,

501). Marina first denied the story, but has conceded that she met with

many people she didn't know after the assassination.

Eventually, the Hunt "security" agency became so intricate that the

billionaire's billionaire son, Nelson Bunker Hunt, would feel the need to

institute his own counterintelligence program to weed out intruders and

turncoats; it would cost him. Paul Rothermel, the former G-man, went

public with incredible charges against the younger Hunt, whom, Rothermel

charged, asked him to help start a private army to be called the American

Volunteer Group (AVG), drawn from the ranks of General Edwin A. Walker's

John Bircher brigade. Hunt's goal was a top-secret paramilitary based in

southern California that could be called upon to act when Communists and

liberals got too pushy. Like father, like son; just before November 22,

1963, H. L. Hunt told a gathering of compatriots that the only way to get

Communists like the Kennedy brothers out of office is to "shoot 'em out."

When Rothermel refused to participate, he found himself spied upon and

his phone tapped. Nelson Bunker Hunt would eventually plead guilty "to a

misdemeanor stemming from a massive wiretapping conspiracy in which he'd

hired a Houston detective agency to eavesdrop upon his own security

force, a force composed largely of former FBI agents" (Jim Hougan,

*Spooks,* 74-75). Hunt denied the AVG charge, however, journalist Peter

Noyes confirmed that the AVG was up and running for at least a brief

period of time. His sources were a number of active California Minutemen,

a group which had been tapped by the Hunts for recruits, but who found

the Hunts a bit extreme even for their taste (Hougan, 75).

H. L. Hunt once wrote a novel called Alpaca, about a utopian democracy

that based citizenship rights on property ownership and educational

qualifications. (Hunt dropped out of school in the sixth grade.)

Elections in this best of all possible worlds were determined by the

amount of taxes one paid; the more you pay, the more votes you get.

A source requesting anonymity told Harry Livingstone, "H. L. had every

lawyer in Dallas doing something for him. He'd give them all a little

piece of the pie, and nobody could find a lawyer big enough to stand up

to him." Madeleine Brown - Lyndon B. Johnson's longtime mistress and

mother of his illegitimate son Steven, as well as a personal friend of

the Hunts for a number of years -- said, "If they didn't play his game,

they went in and took it. They pulled no punches. The had no morals. They

had no rules. It was strictly power. They were absolutely ruthless"

(Livingstone, 496-7). Madeleine has come to regret merely standing by and


John Curington told Livingstone that H. L. Hunt had a personal line to

Lyndon Johnson through their mutual friend Boothe Mooney (Livingstone,


If Hunt and LBJ were birds of a feather, Johnson also flocked around his

close friend J. Edgar Hoover's generous benefactors, the family of oil

baron Clint Murchison. Murchison is now well known to have hosted the FBI

director for any number of paid vacations both to his home and private

race track as well as other glamorous jaunts, often hobnobbing with the

gangsters the FBI would presumably be prosecuting were they not devoting

all their manpower to fighting the Red Menace. Hoover had been arguably

the most powerful man in Washington for some decades, and it was common

knowledge that JFK was going to put him out to pasture following the 1964

election, just as Kennedy was going to do to Lyndon.

Lyndon's scandalous wheeling and dealing with Bobby Baker from his Senate

days were catching up with him even faster than the Billie Sol Estes

affair, and it would bring the whole Democratic party down with it if the

key players weren't thrown overboard. Estes and to a lesser degree

Johnson were the primary benefactors of their doings, while everyone on

Capitol Hill knew Bobby Baker, and every lawyer, lobbyist, and lawmaker

wanted a piece of the action -- and Bobby was LBJ's boy. The dealings had

been too many to keep quiet with a quick "Texas suicide." LBJ wasn't just

looking at the end of his political career; he was looking at hard time.

Within 24 hours of the assassination, Lyndon Johnson called Captain Will

Fritz, chief of the Homicide Bureau of the DPD, and personally informed

him he had his man in custody and the investigation was over. Johnson

aide Cliff Carter phoned the same message to Texas DA Waggoner Carr, who

was none too pleased to receive it. When Lee Harvey Oswald lay dying in

Parkland Hospital on November 24, 1963, Dr. Charles Crenshaw was

astonished to pick up a phone call and find himself talking to the

President of the United States, who said he wanted a confession from

Oswald; he didn't get it. Johnson created the Warren Commission, which

answered only to him, thereby preempting the numerous proposed

investigations in Texas and on Capitol Hill. Then Johnson locked up as

much of the evidence as he could, all with the help of J. Edgar Hoover,

who buried or destroyed any evidence that threatened to upset the apple

cart; the Hunts and Murchisons and their enormous cash and influence, and

certain rogue elements of the intelligence community who resented Kennedy

for both his foreign policy and his attempts to curb the CIA's massive

and wholly unconstitutional power.

The intelligence community has long hidden in the shadows of the

assassination, between the more obvious suspects as well as the "false

sponsors" they intentionally drew into the operation to shield themselves

-- Castro, the anti-Castro Cubans, the Mob. That was their most important

contribution; though they routinely interfaced with the Texans and

undoubtedly played a role in the events of Dealey Plaza, their most

valuable asset was the one which was needed most: the unfathomed

capability of certain of their ranks to confuse and deceive. More than

getaway planes and unmarked cars, the plotters needed smoke and mirrors

to blind and mislead, to confuse and disorient. They had planned for such

a need; they had masters of propaganda at key points, allies in the

press, and for their greatest trick, a certain "Harvey" rabbit to produce

from a hat and then make disappear on cue.

It may be pure conjecture, but given Hunt's organizational ties and

unholy alliances, his personal spies and private law, one wonders if it

doesn't strain credulity to the breaking point to think there wasn't

someone else we know to have been in Dallas who couldn't have somehow

stumbled into this snakepit; someone who Hunt's chief staff assistant

John Curington admitted he "had run across . . . before the

assassination" (Dick Russell, "The Man Who Knew Too Much,* 317). It was

John Curington who turned over a previously unknown slip of paper to the

FBI, a brief note the handwriting of which has been authenticated by

numerous independent handwriting analysts. The only part of the note

disputed is the signature, which appears to be misspelled. But the

purported author was not immune to misspelling his own name, even on a

very deliberately executed, typewritten document (CE 908, 18 H 97); see

Reitzes, "Alik and Marina."

Nov. 8, 1963

Dear Mr. Hunt,

I would like information concerding [sic] my position.

I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the

matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else.

Thank You,

Lee Harvy [sic]



A Civil War Song about Blacks, Slavery, Central America, Texas, Tennessee, and leaders with the paints down.



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It appears that collecting all the Bircher issues into one thread area is forming an overwhelming case for the Birchers being the Ring Leaders on the JFK hit.

Ummmm? NO! Inquiring minds want to know, but I think your still way off on the Birchers, Mormons, Hitler, DuPont's, Jews, Afghans or anyone else your going to conjure up. Seriously Mr. Philhps! UGH!!!!!

Dear Mr. Hunt,

I would like information concerding [sic] my position.

I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the

matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else.

Thank You,

Lee Harvy [sic]


This letter is still under investigation as to whether its a hoax or not. Some beleive that this letter was not written by LHO.

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It appears that collecting all the Bircher issues into one thread area is forming an overwhelming case for the Birchers being the Ring Leaders on the JFK hit.

Ummmm? NO! Inquiring minds want to know, but I think your still way off on the Birchers, Mormons, Hitler, DuPont's, Jews, Afghans or anyone else your going to conjure up. Seriously Mr. Philhps! UGH!!!!!

Dear Mr. Hunt,

I would like information concerding [sic] my position.

I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the

matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else.

Thank You,

Lee Harvy [sic]


This letter is still under investigation as to whether its a hoax or not. Some beleive that this letter was not written by LHO.


That is 5,028 views now. You have misleading and inaccurate assertions with the DuPonts, Afghans, and such----those are your attempts to mislead and invent that which is not. Even the Mormons left the Birchers, as they became so extreme right and not representative of Constitutional Values.

Seriously, most don't buy your story and the best you have is a little book of names.

There is lots to support the Dallas Birchers, while your theme has nill support. Garrison and the Kennedys themselves support this them on the Birchers (Loaded with Big Oil Types) and even Ms. Lincoln's belief.

I do think your theme is about as distracting as the James Files story from the ponographer in Mossad Office Land. IMHO

I listened, watched, and still not impressed with your little black book.

You can't spell well, can't turn up data for your case, and I doubt there will come a book of substance. You are speculating for your theme way out on the thinnest of air.

The JFK Assassination was just solved before your very eyes. And the extended little black book theme disintegrated before your eyes.

So, keep acting disgruntled that nobody is impressed with your research efforts or your theme.

You just got put on Blocked from this end. Go play with your only EF fan, who doesn't support you either, making reference to "Phony" plots.

I won't be looking at your stuff any longer, zero support from this end, and will be seeking distancing.

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You can't spell well

So because you are a professor of spelling I guess that is what makes your case right?

can't turn up data for your case, and I doubt there will come a book of substance. You are speculating for your theme way out on the thinnest of air.

I don't base my material on hearsay, theory or because Abraham Lincoln and his wife said so.

The JFK Assassination was just solved before your very eyes. And the extended little black book theme disintegrated before your eyes.


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Holy crap man! I feel the real need to take Jim Phelps to school. Wow! He has now solved the JFK assassination by blaming it on The John Birch Society, Communist, George Washington, Zionists in Germany, Zionists from Eastern Europe, NY Zionists, German Jewish Bankers, the Queen in the UK, Arabs in Egypt, NAZI's, The Baptist, no I'm sorry it wasn't the Baptist it was the Morons, Ugh! I mean Mormons, the Rockafellas not to mention President Abraham Lincoln and his wife said so. Holy Cow who's next? He certainly has way to much time on his hands..

Phelps says, "If the simple story was only the anti-Castro Cubans in Florida and New Orleans offed JFK, they'd have been outed by every intelligence agency on the planet. And the FBI and the CIA would have them gunned down in the streets for the publicity." This guy really has no idea what he is talking about...

Only one thing left to do and that is to contact John Simkin and ask him to shut down this forum, the assassination has now been solved by Mr. Phelps.

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Looks like a sudden jump in the View Rate, got 5,160 now, and looking like heading for 200 views a day rate.

Caroline Kennedy's release of the Jackie Tapes reveal how much the Kennedys feared corrupt LBJ getting elected President, but the miscalculated how corrupt LBJ and his supporters could operate and LBJ could be ushered in by JFK's death.

The Kennedys had in the works a massive Expose on LBJ with LIFE Magazine that was going to sink LBJ and he would be off the JFK 64 ticket and pretty well sunk as far a public office. This LBJ Expose was only shut down via the Zapruder Film interest on the JFK assassination pre-empting the LBJ story.

Interestingly, the Zapruder Film was done by a Jewish fella who had business and office in the Dal-Tex building, where the Hunt and Jaffe uranium business was housed, and Jaffee appears to have owned the Dallas-Textiles building.

Instead the Corrupt Texans put LBJ in the President's seat, and they gained more control over Foreign Policy than the President because Hunt basically "Owned" LBJ and Hoover. They became the Stalin version of Capitalistic purge killers in the US, and moved into foreign affairs doing the same killing methods of Stalin's Purges.

So, then JFK's worst prognostications came true. LBJ gave them the war they wanted and expansion of IndoChina, rather than making WWIII with Cuba and the Russians. This went on the make massive CIA campaigns like "White Star" and "Phonex" that went into Laos and there other former French Colonies that went Communist and started killing anyone and everyone connected with any support for the Vietnam struggle for power.

It was like they adopted the killing business of Stalin in his big Purges of Russia. But this was the legacy that LBJ wrought for America and after the world caught on to the CIA killers, America's world reputation went to Hell quickly.

Vietnam made lots of money for Bell Helicopters (Dornburger's and Paine's interests), lots of money for KBR Kellogg/Brown/Root (the main construction company in Vietnam), and lots for making guns and bullets, and the Cold War kept up with more Ballistic Intercontinetal Missiles and MIV nuclear warhead production.

LBJ got away with the Aircraft contracts and kick-backs, and drugs flooded America's Innter Cities. LBJ remained so paranoid that he published a White House phone number in the telephone directory, so he could get traces on people that might know too much. Likewise, the Hunt gang got more and more paranoid that they had to run wire taps for fear one of their former FBI agents might trip over the real ring leaders on the JFK hit.



At the time of the assassination of the president, Lyndon B. Johnson was being drawn into political scandals involving Fred Korth, Billie Sol Estes and Bobby Baker. According to James Wagenvoord, the magazine was working on an article that would have revealed Johnson's corrupt activities. "Beginning in later summer 1963 the magazine, based upon information fed from Bobby Kennedy and the Justice Department, had been developing a major news break piece concerning Johnson and Bobby Baker. On publication Johnson would have been finished and off the 1964 ticket (reason the material was fed to us) and would probably have been facing prison time. At the time LIFE magazine was arguably the most important general news source in the US. The top management of Time Inc. was closely allied with the USA's various intelligence agencies and we were used after by the Kennedy Justice Department as a conduit to the public."

The fact that it was Robert Kennedy who was giving this information to Life Magazine suggests that John F. Kennedy intended to drop Lyndon B. Johnson as his vice-president. This is supported by Evelyn Lincoln, Kennedy's secretary. In her book, Kennedy and Johnson (1968) she claimed that in November, 1963, Kennedy decided that because of the emerging Bobby Baker scandal he was going to drop Johnson as his running mate in the 1964 election. Kennedy told Lincoln that he was going to replace Johnson with Terry Sanford.



Eventually it appeared in the American press, though some assumed the "Mr. Hunt" to whom it was addressed to be the oil magnate H. L. Hunt, whom the Kremlin first suspected of plotting the assassination.[48]

48.^ [The Mitrokhin Archive, pp. 293-299]


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Here is another interesting article on LBJ, it is good but gets the cart before the horse in many ways for LBJ being the leader of the JFK hit.

Lyndon Johnson was in every way a robust and out of control "Sociopath" and could not tell the truth on many things, and LBJ had to be in control and the center of attention. LBJ is a Classic Sociopathic's behavior. In College he was called "Bull" for Bullxxxxter and in politics as "Lying Lyndon". This Sociopathic behavior in LBJ never really stopped and his classic example was the rigged Warren Commission. LBJ operated like the Propaganda ministry of Hitler and repeated lies so much that many came to believe them as they became so prevalent.

While many suppose that LBJ planned the JFK assassination, in a few rare moments, for LBJ, part of the truth leaked out with Madeline Brown's account on LBJ. He told her it was the Texas Oil types and the renegade CIA, which is true. It all began with the "Birchers" in Dallas, and particularly Bircher HL Hunt being the richest oil man in the US from Dallas Texas.

The Birchers were put in place via Rockefeller and depended upon a sympathy for John Birch being killed by Chinese Communists, and a play not unlike that for Jesus' death. But LBJ left out the fact these were his Texas pals and those supporting him to replace JFK and LBJ would be at the root of the JFK cover up. So, it really could not have been LHO behind the Guns of Dallas.

LBJ's ranch is in "Texas Hill Country", which is where all the Germans settled in Texas, and this likely why Pro-Hitler and Pro-NAZI HL Hunt supported LBJ. LBJ manages to make NASA out of the NAZI Rocket Brigade that found home initially at Ft. Bliss Texas, but were moved to Huntsville, Alabama because of a huge scandal on testing at White Sands that would show up as ardent NAZI's being protected in the US. However, one of the worst ardent NAZIs was Walter Dornburger and he found home in Dallas working for Bell Aerospace building rocket engines.

Keep in mind that HL Hunt and Clint Merchison were big buddies in Dallas, due to all the oil money. Merchinson was also big buddies with Alton Oschner, the man behind the scheme to kill Castro with Cancer. This was the project that Lee Harvey Oswald was working on with persons like Judyth Vary Baker, David Ferrie, Mary Sherman and so forth, and LHO was also working for Bircher Guy Banister in New Orleans.



Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy in the 1963 Coup d’Etat. (People like Clint Murchison Sr., H.L. Hunt, Nelson Rockefeller, David Rockefeller, top Nelson Rockefeller aide Henry Kissinger, George Herbert Walker Bush and Gen. Edward Lansdale all are excellent candidates for elite sponsorship.) Lyndon Johnson and Allen Dulles may very well have been co-CEOs of the JFK assassination; with the CIA in charge of the killing of JFK, and Lyndon Johnson and (his close friend and neighbor of 19 years in Washington, DC) FBI director J. Edgar Hoover in charge of the cover up.

Clint Murchison, Sr – more so than even H.L. Hunt – was a key player in the JFK assassination because of his close ties to the inner core of US intelligence (Allen Dulles, Nelson Rockefeller, John J. McCloy), close ties to Lyndon Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI, bankers Rockefellers; Murchison was even friends with key Kennedy-hater mafia godfather Carlos Marcellos of New Orleans. Not only that, Murchison, Sr. was a patient and partner of Dr. Alton Oschner, the former president of the American Cancer Society and who ran covert cancer research for the CIA. Oschner, likewise was a Kennedy-hater. John Simkin: “One of Ochsner’s friends described him as being ‘like a fundamentalist preacher in the sense that the fight against communism was the only subject that he would talk about, or even allow you to talk about, in his presence.’”

When JFK was slaughtered, Russia’s Khrushchev was literally crying, fearing nuclear war. Cuba’s Castro feared a US invasion and gave an impressive speech the next day deconstructing the CIA’s deception provocation for war. Meanwhile at Clint Murchison’s home, the family maid May Newman describes the scene: “The mood in the Murchison family home was very joyous and happy. For a whole week after like champagne and caviar flowed, every day of the week. But I was the only one in that household at that time that uh felt any grief for his assassination.”

The Warren Commission should have really been called the “Allen Dulles Commission” because he controlled it and made it the farce that it was. Dulles was probably an elite sponsor (i.e. murderer), as well as certainly Lyndon Johnson. The 3 hardcore cover up artists on the Warren Commission were the 3 Council on Foreign Relations members: Allen Dulles (president CFR 1946-50), John J. McCloy (then chairman of the CFR 1953-1970) and Gerald Ford (CFR member, later president). John J. McCloy was a Rockefeller man, former head of Chase Manhattan bank, and very deep US intelligence since the OSS days. John J. McCloy’s nickname was “Chairman of the American Establishment,” and he mixed at the highest levels of business, intelligence and he was close to the Kennedy-hating Texas business elite. Cover up artist Gerald Ford was secretly reporting to Hoover and the FBI what the Warren Commission was doing. In 1970, Newsweek called Gerald Ford “the CIA’s man” in Congress. The CFR especially 40 years ago, was heavily Rockefeller influenced and it top players were deep CIA.


And a good many within the CIA itself knew exactly who started the hit on JFK, it stemmed first from the Birchers being all upset on Communism and this was funded by Rockefeller. This pandering to the Birchers continued until the CIA tapped these conversations. These conversations then end up in the hands of a leading John Birch Society leader named Larry McDonald, who then gets shot down in a plane by the Russians. This leaves little to chance that the CIA knew exactly who to trust with the hard evidence of those associated with the JFK assassination. The Birchers were the ring leaders for the JFK assassination.


From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:

"The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK ... During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, JOHNSON of Texas, GEORGE BUSH, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"

I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, p. 638-639].


One of the few rare moments LBJ had not been prepared to comment and too much truth leaked out to Madeline Brown on who did JFK.


Madeleine Duncan Brown was the most beloved mistress of Lyndon Johnson for 21 years from 1948 until 1969. Madeleine is one of the truth tellers and keys to understanding the ugly reality of the JFK assassination. She had a son Steven Mark with Lyndon in 1950. Madeleine lived from 1925 to 2002 and was madly in love with Lyndon Johnson when she wrote the book Texas in the Morning 24 years after the death of LBJ. She makes some BLOCKBUSTER revelations in this book, such as:

In the night of 12/31/63 morning of January 1, 1964, just 6 weeks after the JFK assassination, Madeleine asked Lyndon Johnson:

"Lyndon, you know that a lot of people believe you had something to do with President Kennedy's assassination."

He shot up out of bed and began pacing and waving his arms screaming like a madman. I was scared!

"That's bull___, Madeleine Brown!" he yelled. "Don't tell me you believe that ____!"

"Of course not." I answered meekly, trying to cool his temper.

"It was Texas oil and those %$%& renegade intelligence bastards in Washington." [said Lyndon Johnson, the new president; Texas in the Morning, p. 189] [LBJ told this to Madeleine on 1/1/64 in the locally famous Driskill Hotel, Austin, TX in room #254. They spent New Year's Eve `64 together here (12/31/63). Room #254 was the room that LBJ used to have rendevous' with his girlfriends - today it is known as the LBJ Room, and rents for $600-1,000/night as a Presidential suite at the Driskill; located on the Mezzanine Level.]

What Lyndon Johnson did not tell Madeleine was that Texas Oil (read H.L. Hunt, Clint Murchison, Sr) and the CIA (especially the Gen Ed Lansdale, Operation 40/Operation Mongoose crowd) were murdering John Kennedy with the full knowledge, approval and participation of VP Lyndon Johnson.


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