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In Wise's report he tells us what was in the bag... and that he removed a knife from the bag first....

Yes Mark, you are correct... the manner inwhich these men are escorting MURDER SUSPECTS is absurd....

One of the reports states that since there were so many officers present they didn't need to handcuff the suspects... :blink:

What sparked my interest was the that the lead cop in the Landsdale photo is not the same as in the other photos... we dont see this man again,

and the mis ID of these two men to begin with...

Can anyone tell us the names of the policement in the different photos?

and the difference between a two bar name tag and the one bar ones worn by the man in front in one image and a cop at the back left in another...

thanks

DJ

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David; my lap is being repaired, so i do not have access, to the studies done in the past, nor photos etc, but besides the three tramps seen with Lansdale, there were three others found in a rr car some time later, on the rr side cars on the South side of Dealey, there must be other threads on them on the forum, with much of the info you are seeking, try a search, for now..thanks ..best b

ps yes some of the dpd officers were id, whether any saw any of the photos, i have never heard of such...pps no the hunt lookalike with fedora in cancellare has never been found within the other photos of dealey that i know of...b

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Fletcher Prouty,s letter to Jim Garrison touches on Ed Lansdale.Well worth a read IMHO,take a look here.

http://www.prouty.org/letter.html

The cop on the left in post 21 looks a bit like Roscoe White to me. (emphasis added by T. Graves)

http://www.spartacus...k/JFKwhiteR.htm

I wonder why he's lagging so far behind. To get a message or a handoff from the "Lansdale" character?

--Tommy :sun

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In Wise's report he tells us what was in the bag... and that he removed a knife from the bag first....

Yes Mark, you are correct... the manner inwhich these men are escorting MURDER SUSPECTS is absurd....

One of the reports states that since there were so many officers present they didn't need to handcuff the suspects... blink.gif

What sparked my interest was the that the lead cop in the Landsdale photo is not the same as in the other photos... we dont see this man again,

and the mis ID of these two men to begin with...

Can anyone tell us the names of the policement in the different photos?

and the difference between a two bar name tag and the one bar ones worn by the man in front in one image and a cop at the back left in another...

thanks

DJ

FWIW, the lead cop who appears to have two id bars/badges above his right pocket also has three pens in his left blouse pocket, whereas the lead cop in the other photos has one id bar/badge and only one pen.

--Tommy :sun

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Stupid question: Has the lead cop in this photo ever been positively identified?

The fact that he has something suspicious-looking in his right ear, that he's escorting/guarding the three suspects in such a cavaier manner, that he's carrying his shotgun in such an unprofessional way, and that he has only one pen in his blouse ("professional" cops and security guards always have at least two pens in their shirt pocket in case one malfunctions) leads me to believe that this guy isn't a policeman at all, or if he is, he's having a really bad day.

And I agree with Malcolm that the cop bringing up the rear does resemble Roscoe White....

--Tommy :sun

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Anyone ever notice the two strange marks on the left leg knee area of the cop between "Frenchy" and Tall Boy? Also, who's the cop on the far right with his back to the camera? Is he one of the cops "captured" talking to another cop in the background of one of the other "Tramps" photos?

The cars in the background also fascinate me. Wish I knew exactly when these photos were taken.

--Tommy :sun

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The fact that he has something suspicious-looking in his right ear...

--Tommy :sun

It definitely looks like that cop is wearing an earphone, with the wire running down behind his collar.

I know such earphones were around in 1963, well before they evolved into "earbuds". As I recall, they were used on hearing aids, and came with the "tinny" transistor radios sold back then.

So maybe the cop was hard of hearing, or listening to the radio while he worked. Ya gotta consider all the possibilities, they say.

But it does seem incongruous, along with the other items you mention.

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David and Thomas,

So, do you think the "tramps" may be there to divert attention away from their "escorts" who are wearing the Dallas Police Uniforms?

Richard,

Yeah, something like that. You know, I was just thinking--- Maybe the "cops and tramps" were all bad guys, providing "cover" for each other. That would be really clever, wouldn't it?

I think it's been pretty well established that some members of the DPD and Sheriff's Dept. did have some, well, let's say, "questionable backgrounds and connections", so as fas as I'm concerned it doesn't matter if the uniformed guys in the photos were "real cops" or "actors" in order for the above theory to fly.

--Tommy :sun

Hmmm......

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David and Thomas,

So, do you think the "tramps" may be there to divert attention away from their "escorts" who are wearing the Dallas Police Uniforms?

Richard,

Yeah, something like that. You know, I was just thinking--- Maybe they were all bad guys, providing "cover" for each other. That would be really clever, wouldn't it?

I think it's been pretty well established that some members of the DPD and Sheriff's Dept. did have some, well, let's say, "questionable backgrounds and connections", so as fas as I'm concerned it doesn't matter if the uniformed guys in the photos were "real cops" or "actors" in order for the above theory to fly.

--Tommy :sun

Hmmm......

Real cops or pretenders, an excellent way to walk out of the rail yards in front of a multitude of witnesses without arousing any suspicion.

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David and Thomas,

So, do you think the "tramps" may be there to divert attention away from their "escorts" who are wearing the Dallas Police Uniforms?

Richard,

Yeah, something like that. You know, I was just thinking--- Maybe the "cops and tramps" were all bad guys, providing cover for each other. That would be really clever, wouldn't it?

I think it's been pretty well established that some members of the DPD and Sheriff's Dept. did have some, well, let's say, "questionable backgrounds and connections", so as fas as I'm concerned it doesn't matter if the uniformed guys in the photos were "real cops" or "actors" in order for the above theory to fly.

--Tommy :sun

Hmmm......

Real cops or pretenders, an excellent way to walk out of the rail yards in front of a multitude of witnesses without arousing any suspicion.

Richard,

Absolutely!

--Tommy :sun

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Stupid question: Has the lead cop in this photo ever been positively identified?

The fact that he has something suspicious-looking in his right ear, that he's escorting/guarding the three suspects in such a cavaier manner, that he's carrying his shotgun in such an unprofessional way, and that he has only one pen in his blouse ("professional" cops and security guards always have at least two pens in their shirt pocket in case one malfunctions) leads me to believe that this guy isn't a policeman at all, or if he is, he's having a really bad day.

And I agree with Malcolm that the cop bringing up the rear does resemble Roscoe White....

--Tommy :sun

If the Spartacus Picture ID is correct, the Lead officer is Wise.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Dallas9.htm

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Tramps.jpg

Stupid question: Has the lead cop in this photo ever been positively identified?

The fact that he has something suspicious-looking in his right ear, that he's escorting/guarding the three suspects in such a cavaier manner, that he's carrying his shotgun in such an unprofessional way, and that he has only one pen in his blouse ("professional" cops and security guards always have at least two pens in their shirt pocket in case one malfunctions) leads me to believe that this guy isn't a policeman at all, or if he is, he's having a really bad day.

And I agree with Malcolm that the cop bringing up the rear does resemble Roscoe White....

--Tommy :sun

If the Spartacus Picture ID is correct, the Lead officer is Wise.

http://www.spartacus....uk/Dallas9.htm

Richard,

Thanks for that. That's great.

Now, what do we know about Wise's background and social/professional associations, other than the fact that he was a Dallas policeman who alleged that he had cotton in his right ear that day because he was treating/getting over an ear infection?

As David Josephs has tried to point out on this thread, there were two different lead officers at different times during the 7-photo "Procession of the Three Tramps".

Thanks,

--Tommy :sun

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