Frankie Vegas Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Even if this Lovelady/Oswald theory was accurate it will never gain wide support from the public or the main stream media. It's too convoluted, plagued by infighting and not accessible to the general public who may want to look into it further. I wish, Dr Fetzer that you would put your name and your time into something similar but less controversial. The Oswald Innocent Project is a great idea, I just think there is so much better evidence to use. I mean this respectfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Roy Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) Some months back I corrected your misunderstanding of aspect ratio, that it can vary from camera to camera, from print to print. Now it's color. Newseum displays "Oswald's shirt" (continued): And what about the color? We have seen Oswald’s shirt exhibited at least twice before, and here is a collage of all three. Notice the different shades, where the one on the right even borders on purple. Every camera reproduces color a bit differently; every film (or digital imager) reproduces color a bit differently; every display (print or electronic) reproduces color a bit differently. It is the exception rather than the rule when colors match consistently. Every day, in the TV field, I deal with color inconsistency. Edited February 28, 2013 by Stephen Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) Stephen Roy, Let me ask you a very simple question (which also serves as a reply to the sympathetic comment by Frankie Vegas), because this is no more complicated than an argument by elimination: if the answer is either p or q, but it is not p, then it has to be q. The case could not be less complex, but it has been made to SEEM COMPLICATED by those who don't want the truth to be known. The question has been whether the man in the doorway was Lee Harvey Oswald or Billy Lovelady. If this is the shirt that Lovelady was wearing (as he told the FBI), could he possibly be Doorman? Edited February 28, 2013 by James H. Fetzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) I think we are looking at the same shirt on the arrested Oswald, in the Newseum exhibit, and in the two Warren Commission-related photos. If any tampering was done, it was in the name of washing the shirt. When I look at these stills of Oswald in sequence, I'm reminded of Perry Russo's breathless comment on Oswald made while under hypnosis: "He's dirty." This was a guy without the ready cash or incentive to put on a clean undershirt, much less a clean top shirt, when Kennedy is driving by the TSBD. It's not surprising that he loudly demanded a shower, because he looks like he hasn't had one lately. For me, this argues his innocence, or at least his ignorance. Wouldn't you have worn clean clothes and showered for the Big Event, even if you didn't expect to be arrested? I suspect that it is also this shirt we see on Doorman in the TSBD doorway in Altgens 6. Outside of wearing Lovelady's head, the extended left arm is the oddest thing about Doorman, as if somebody really wanted that shirt pattern to be noticed. Is it possible that Doorman was deliberately manufactured as a red herring, just to boggle any investigators, official or not, in confusion and side issues? Edited February 28, 2013 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) We know that lovelady was standing in the doorway at 12:30 If you insist that doorway man was NOT Lovelady. Than show us WHERE EXACTLY Lovelady was standing in the doorway ? Click on image to view FULL SIZE: Edited February 28, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 David, Thanks for a rational comment on an issue that has generated massive irrationality. I agree that it is the same shirt. And I assume you agree that it cannot possibly be the red-and-white vertically striped short-sleeved shirt that Billy told the FBI he had been wearing that day. I cannot imagine anyone doing that--especially in relation to the assassination of the President of the United States--if it were not true. So it can't have been Billy. They made some changes to the features of the face to make them more like Billy's, just as they chanaged some features of Billy's face (in the left-hand FBI photo) to make it more like Oswald's. Which is why the build and the shirt of the man in the doorway has become so crucial in sorting this out. Remember, Lee told Fritz he was "out with Bill Shelley in front" during the shooting. And he was speaking the truth, just as he did when he was shown one of the backyard photos and told him that his face had been pasted on someone else's body. He was right about that, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Robin, Why am I not surprised you would show up? Let's take this one step at a time. Do you agree that, if Billy was wearing the red-and-white vertically striped short sleeved shirt he told the FBI he was wearing, then he cannot have been Doorman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Oswalds Shirt in the Newseum appears to be authentic, This post is just more Cinque garbage and he is using Fetzer as a proxy to post it for him on this forum. I believe it is against forum rules to post as a proxy for BANNED members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 This is not "Cinque garbage". It is Fetzer truth. And I can't believe that you are running away from answering a simple question. Billy told the FBI he was wearing a red-and-white, vertically striped, short- sleeved shirt, which the FBI photographed and duly reported back to FBI Headquarters. The question that appears to have reduced you to a mass of quivering jello is simply this: If THAT is the shirt that he was wearing (as he told the FBI), then can he possibly have been Doorman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) Robin, Why am I not surprised you would show up? Let's take this one step at a time. Do you agree that, if Billy was wearing the red-and-white vertically striped short sleeved shirt he told the FBI he was wearing, then he cannot have been Doorman? I believe Lovelady innocently wore a different shirt in that photoshoot. Also why would Lovelady say to the FBI that he wore the "red and white striped shirt" on the 22/11/63 And then go on to pose for multiple other photo's wearing the other shirt. and saying that it was that shirt which he was wearing on 22/11/63 Edited February 28, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 My opinion is that Robin Unger, an expert on photographs, can tell that the Newseum shirt is Oswald's shirt, with which I agree. That is a rather more subtle question than the one he is refusing to answer. No one in their right mind would deny that the shirt Billy showed the FBI IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE SHIRT ON THE MAN IN THE DOORWAY. Yet the answer to this simple question reveals that it was never "Cinque garbage" but an attempt to demonize a serious student of JFK for discovering something that some would prefer he had not discovered. So I ask again: Robin, if Billy was wearing the shirt he told the FBI he was wearing (shown above), could he have been Doorman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 A frame of the Martin film shows a phony Lovelady (in this bogus checkered shirt) in the doorway with his shirt buttoned clear up to his neck, yet a frame of the Hugh’s film (supposedly depicting Lovelady at the same moment in time) shows Lovelady with his shirt sprawled wide--clearly a blunder in attempting to imitate the man in the doorway. The difference are virtually those of a Dr. Jekyll and a Mr. Hyde, where Jekyll looked normal but Hyde looked like a gorilla: But if the shirt that Billy Lovelady showed the FBI does not even remotely resemble the Doorman shirt and if the checkered shirt not only does not resemble the Doorman shirt but the man who was filmed wearing it was not Billy Lovelady, then the proof that Oswald was the man in the doorway has been dramatically reinforced by the official "Oswald shirt", which we have shown bears one feature after another that corresponds with Doorman's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Look at Robin's own video. The man he pretends to be Lovelady has his checkered shirt buttoned up to the neck. But Doorman has his shirt open, not buttoned up to the neck. Therefore, this person cannot possibly be Doorman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) And we know he went to the FBI and told them that was the shirt he had been wearing, because the FBI included both the photos and his statement in their report back to FBI Headquarters. Plus the man in the checkered shirt cannot be Doorman: his shirt is buttoned up to the neck, while Doorman's shirt is not: FBI letter Edited March 2, 2013 by James H. Fetzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) Not only that, but Jones Harris flew to Dallas and interviewed Billy Lovelady, who told him he had worn the red-and-white vertically striped short-sleeved shirt that day. He went to the FBI because he had a conscience and wanted to clear up any confusion between him and Doorman. But his later posing in a checkered shirt suggests that he was pressured to do that, because there was growing concern that the false identification might be exposed, as it has been exposed here. Cinque's discovery marks a milestone in JFK research. Which means that, believe it or not, Oswald wasn't even a shooter and the entire "lone assassin" theory is now OBVIOUSLY a gigantic hoax and fraud! Edited February 28, 2013 by James H. Fetzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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