The Boston Bombing and Dealey Plaza

[David G. Healy]

This is about the point where I expect Rod Serling to step in and address the viewers.

well, there's always .john and his merry band of trolls...

[Paul Rigby]

http://justiceforken...esentation.html

Monday, April 15, 2013

Bill Simpich's Lancer 2012 presentation on Mexico City

......Staff D Some of the old timers may not know Staff D very well. That was the worldwide communications intelligence division. And, can you read that, okay? And a big part of Staff D’s assets was the wiretap info. The best of their stuff went to their chief who was Bill Harvey. I think most people here know who Bill Harvey was. Show of hands? That helps me. Thank you.

audience member - (mocking Peter Janney’s presentation ) Was it Bill or William?........

(Big Laughter ) Ah, both. (endquote)

The above has added immensely, of course, to the sum total of human knowledge on the Boston bombings and the US responsibility for Chechen terrorism.

Is it me, or are a number of members posting to discourage or stop exposure to new or more complete information? It may come as news to some, but there is much more to learn.

You tell us, Tom, as you're the one who's interjected the above irrelevance.

Either your posts add to the richness of the collective knowledge base or you post questions in order to learn, clarify, or to debate, or you post to provoke. If you cannot help but to interfere, seek help.

Physician, heal thyself.

[Len Colby]

http://justiceforken...esentation.html

Monday, April 15, 2013

Bill Simpich's Lancer 2012 presentation on Mexico City

......Staff D Some of the old timers may not know Staff D very well. That was the worldwide communications intelligence division. And, can you read that, okay? And a big part of Staff D’s assets was the wiretap info. The best of their stuff went to their chief who was Bill Harvey. I think most people here know who Bill Harvey was. Show of hands? That helps me. Thank you.

audience member - (mocking Peter Janney’s presentation ) Was it Bill or William?........

(Big Laughter ) Ah, both. (endquote)

The above has added immensely, of course, to the sum total of human knowledge on the Boston bombings and the US responsibility for Chechen terrorism.

Is it me, or are a number of members posting to discourage or stop exposure to new or more complete information? It may come as news to some, but there is much more to learn.

You tell us, Tom, as you're the one who's interjected the above irrelevance.

Either your posts add to the richness of the collective knowledge base or you post questions in order to learn, clarify, or to debate, or you post to provoke. If you cannot help but to interfere, seek help.

Physician, heal thyself.

Amazing, I don't think I've ever agreed with Paul before but this post was 100% on target.

Skully "Is it me, or are a number of members posting to discourage or stop exposure to new or more complete information? It may come as news to some, but there is much more to learn."

Once again he violates the rules he is supposed to enforce.

[Len Colby]

Washington’s «Civil Society» and CIA Financing of Chechen and Other Caucasus Regional Terrorists

Wayne MADSEN, 29.04.2013

http://www.strategic...terrorists.html

[...]

No citations

how compelling!

Paul you seem to be

off your game.

[Len Colby]

I doubt anyone would dispute my opinion that, if I had authored this thread, Len Colby would have devoted all of his (many) posts to protesting the irelevancy of the placement of the thread almost entirely about The Boston Bombers, here on the JFK Debate Forum.

Silly me I hold moderators to a higher standard than ordinary members.

That aside Ron's OP did raise what he saw as a parallel between the Boston Bombings and the Kennedy Assassination it's not his fault no one followed up on his point. He made a later post lamenting this and suggested the thread be moved.

(Remind me what you have added to this forum recently Len?)

LOL, I help keep it from becoming an echo chamber of paranoia. now answer your own question about yourself, what besides interminablely long lists of who attended who's weddings have you contributed?

Edited April 29, 2013 by Len Colby

[Len Colby]

Boston Bombing: Federal Affidavit Fails to Mention Green Honda, Contradicts Witness “Danny” on Many Counts

by Scott Creighton, 28 April 2013

http://willyloman.wo...-in-the-making/

Found this on NBC “News’ today… they’re trying to fix a little problem we noticed a couple days ago… that is, the federal affidavit claims that both brothers rode in the stolen SUV with the secret witness all the way to Watertown. But if that’s the case, how come the witness says something else (now) and there happens to be images of the shootout with both the SUV and the Green Honda parked in the street (with nothing stopping them from getting away from the cops at the other end)

“After the Cambridge shooting, the suspects carjacked a Mercedes 350 SUV at gunpoint, according to a federal affidavit. Both suspects rode in the SUV to Watertown, the affidavit says.

However, photographs obtained by NBC News and eyewitness accounts given to NBC News producers indicate that both a green Honda and black Mercedes SUV were parked at the scene of the Watertown shooting. Several people who were near the scene that night said the Honda was positioned behind the Mercedes.

[...]

Weak, the author failed to consider the possibility that after "Danny" escaped but before the cops caught up with the Tsarnaevs the brothers drove to where they had left the Honda and one then followed the other.

[Len Colby]

Misha found?

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2013/apr/28/tamerlan-tsarnaev-misha-speaks/

[Paul Rigby]

And not doing many favours to the CIA Uncle, it would appear.

One could almost be forgiven for concluding that someone, somewhere, in Washington - and perhaps, more to the point, New York - wants Fuller and his jihadist legions rolled up and put away.

Why?

A deal on Syria is not unimaginable as a motive, but I suspect geopolitical history obliges a different solution.

A unified Eurasian heartland is not something the heirs of Mackinder and the good Admiral Mahan would find attractive. Splitting Russia and China, after years of pushing them together, is going to take some fairly dramatic action in the US - is this a first move?

The only other alternative would appear to be that the neo-con (formerly rollback) loons, of which Fuller appears to have been a paid up member from the mid-1980s on, intend to use this false flag as the trigger for a drive into the Caucasus.

Let's hope they get themselves a trusty chauffeur: they'll need one.

[Paul Rigby]

For those interested in seeing how closely the activities of Chechen terrorists dovetailed with the requirements of Anglo-American petro-strategic objectives in the 1990s, a wonderfully succinct account follows:

http://beforeitsnews...on-2431184.html

Boston Marathon Attacks, Chechnya And Oil – The Hidden U.S. Connection

By Submitted by John Daly of OilPrice.com

Thursday, April 25, 2013 14:58

As Boston and U.S. security agencies congratulate themselves over the apparent neutralization of a pair of Chechens that bombed the Boston Marathon, troubling questions are beginning to arise.

First and foremost is, why a pair of Chechens, born in the former Soviet republic of Kyrgyzstan, apparently committed the attack?

For possible answers, one must looks beyond the present and delve into Russia’s and the USSR’s past policies towards Chechnya, and since 1991, U.S. policy in the Caucasus, which since the 1991 implosion of the USSR had a single focus – the exploitation of the Caspian’s massive energy reserves.

It is a history that makes for deeply uncomfortable reading, but one that may eventually provide some answers to seemingly intractable questions.

After Iran transferred Chechnya to the Russian empire under the Treaty of Gulistan following the 1804-1813 Russo-Persian War, Russian troops entered the region to assert control, resulting in a long-drawn out and bitter campaign marked by numerous atrocities until Imam Shamil surrendered to the Russians in 1859, causing many Chechen Muslims to emigrate to the Ottoman Empire. Following the 1917 Russian revolution, Chechnya suffered the travails of the rest of the Soviet population until 23 February 1944, when Stalin ordered Chechnya’s population deported en masse to Soviet Central Asia on suspicions of them being traitors and working with Nazi forces. In eight days, the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD), predecessor to the Committee for State Security (KGB), forcefully deported 350,000 to 400,000 Chechens and 91,250 Ingush from the Caucasus, mainly to Central Asia, primarily Kazakhstan, but others as far as Kyrgyzstan and Eastern Siberia.

Soviet officials assessed that during 1944 to 1948, between 14.6% and 23.7% of the exiled population perished.

And many Chechens were swallowed up by the NVKD’s Gulag archipelago, but even there, their toughness and militancy set them apart. As Russian Nobel Prize winner Alexander Solzhenitsyn noted his is three-volume study, The GuLAG Archipelago, “There was one nation which would not give in, would not acquire the mental habits of submission – and not just individual rebels among them, but the whole nation to a man. These were the Chechens… They had been treacherously snatched from their home, and from that day they believed in nothing… The years went by – and they owned just as little as they had to begin with. The Chechens never sought to please, to ingratiate themselves with the bosses; their attitude was always haughty and indeed openly hostile.”

Fast forward to the 1991 dissolution of the breakup of the USSR.

Chechens subsequently fought two wars against Russian forces, the first from 1994 to 1996, and the second from October 1999 until early 2009, with both conflicts marked by violence and atrocities committed on both sides.

In 2007 Russian President Vladimir Putin appointed Ramzan Kadyrov Chechnya’s new president. Two years later the American organization Freedom House included Chechnya in the “Worst of the Worst” list of most repressive societies in the world, together with Burma, North Korea and China’s Tibet.

But the question remains why, when the USSR was fragmenting, was Moscow so determined to retain Chechnya?

In a word – oil, for both its indigenous reserves and as the sole transit point for Azerbaijan’s rising exports, which Western companies were eagerly seeking to export to Western markets rather than via Russia.

Few today remember that Putin’s first job when appointed Prime Minister on 9 August 1999 by Russian President Boris Yeltsin was to build an oil pipeline bypassing Chechyna, as Transneft, Russia’s pipeline monopoly, controlled the Baku-Novorossiisk line, the sole export route for Azerbaijani “early” oil exports, which crossed 95 miles of Chechen territory, a region which had been at war with the Kremlin since 1994. Following Putin’s appointment Yeltsin held a council of war over Dagestan and Putin made a rash promise that he could end a crisis caused by the incursion of 2,000 rebels from Chechnya into Dagestan in “a week and a half or two weeks.”

Work began on the bypass line on 26 October 1999. The conflict combined with other issues reduced Azeri exports via Baku-Novorossiisk in early 2000 to an average of only 10,000 barrels per day (bpd.) In April 2000 construction finished on the $140 million, 204-mile Baku-Novorossiisk bypass via Dagestan to Tikhoretsk. The bypass had a potential capacity of 120,000 bpd, but by then Azerbaijan already had other plans, having worked with neighboring Georgia to develop an alternative pipeline route to Georgia’s Black Sea port of Supsa, completely outside of Russian control. When Yeltsin resigned on 31 December 1999 Putin became acting President and has continued to lead the Russian state ever since, eiher as Prime Minister or President.

For Putin, quite aside from issues of pride, An independent Chechnya could not only lead to a loss of revenue from the republic’s modest oil production (of such quality that Chechen oil was used to light lamps in the Vatican) and ruin plans to extract transit fees for Azeri “early oil,” but lead to a significant potential loss of Caspian reserves once the sea’s waters and seabed were divided, if Chechnya aligned itself with neighboring Dagestan.

U.S. penetration of Azerbaijan’s and Kazakhstan’s energy sectors continued apace during the conflict. As reported by EC-TACIS, for the period 1994-1999 the main sources of foreign direct investment in Azerbaijan were the United States with 28 percent, followed by Britain with 15 percent. FDI in Azerbaijan exploded from only $30 million in 1994 to $827 million in 1999, about 17 percent of Azerbaijan’s GDP, with approximately 90 percent of FDI concentrated in the country’s hydrocarbons sector, while Kazakhstan FDI accounted for $1.6 billion in the same period, but which now exceeds $160 billion of foreign FDI. Russia was clearly losing the battle to develop Caspian energy, and an independent Chechen-Dagestani state would make Moscow’s position untenable and hence had to be stopped at any cost. U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney observed the year before Putin’s appointment, “I can’t think of a time when we’ve had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian.”

In 2005 the western consortium attempting to cut Russia out of the Caspian energy loop achieved its goal. The $3.6 billion, one million barrel per day, 1,092-mile Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline, which ships Azeri Caspian oil to Turkey’s Mediterranean Ceyhan port, began operations in May 2005, transiting high-quality crude from Azerbaijan’s offshore Azeri-Chirag-Guneshli fields to Turkey’s deep-water Mediterranean terminus at Ceyhan.

Accordingly, the Chechen conflict dovetailed perfectly not only into Washington’s plans, to bog down the Russian military in a long, drawn-out conflict in the Caucasus, but provide Western energy companies with an alternative route as Chechnya was slowly ground down by the Russian military.

Oil that would have otherwise moved northwards to Russia, providing lucrative transit fees.

Chechnya proved ground zero for both Western political and business interests.

All of the above history, virtually unknown in the U.S., is deeply known to every Chechen. The shadow war between Moscow and Washington for the Caspian’s energy riches saw Chechnya squarely caught in the middle, leaving the Chechen homeland virtually destroyed, something to remember when reading the increasingly contradictory news reports coming out of Washington about the blood shed in Boston by the Tsarnaev brothers, as the U.S. is hardly blameless about the carnage visited on their ancestral homeland.

A reader subsequently contributed the following to the comments section:

"The Caucasus Mountains contain Europe's tallest mountain, Mt. Elbrus (18,510 ft.) and the region is rich with minerals ranging from gold to uranium and also has rich deposits of coal, oil and natural gas."

http://prezi.com/gz6...asus-mountains/

[Paul Rigby]

http://rt.com/business/oil-rockefeller-vtb-company-324/

Rockefeller buys into Russian oil business

Published time: April 04, 2013 10:52

Stephen Clark Rockefeller’s UK-based oil company has reached an agreement with VTB Bank to purchase a 100% stake in Tehneftinvesta for $1 billion.

VTB Capital facilitated the sale which gives Rockefeller Oil over 180 million tonnes of oil reserves, and 20 billion cubic meters of natural gas, Kommersant newspaper reported on Thursday.

Vitaly Kryukov, an analyst at IFD Kapital, thinks the $1 billion price tag is fair, and “within the market limit”. Rockefeller will pay, on average, $0.78 per barrel.

While the price is fair, the big sale has prompted many analysts to scratch their heads and ask the obvious question: why an American company, and not Russian?

Kryulov is sure VTB has already offered the deal to local oil magnates, but the purchase by Rockefeller indicates they all turned it down.

According to Kryukov, the sale of Tehneftinvesta would pose too large a risk to smaller Russian companies. If the reserves do not produce their expected output, it would wipe out a small company, whereas a larger, more powerful Rockefeller could withstand such a problem.

According to him, there are many small companies in the market, but their purchase entails some risks, because the reserves and the wells' flow rate could prove to be significantly less than predicted. But if the reserves prove to be plentiful, it could be a fruitful investment.

“It is alarming that none of the Russian oil producers, despite the attractiveness of the region and good reserves, is interested in Tehneftinvesta," said Kryukov.

The Rockefeller oil company is not a novice in the Russian market. In 2012, Rockefeller’s BESS expressed interest in purchasing a 51% stake in CJSC Geotransgaz, and offered $612 million for the Urengoi Gas Company, from Alrosa and VTB. The deal was never completed and Alrosa decided to develop the gas reserves independently from Rockefeller Oil.

The Tehneftinvesta reserves are located in the Yamal-Nenets and Khanty-Manissisk regions of West Siberia.

The territory is currently comprised of 7 blocks, 6 of which are open, 5 are oil, 1 gas. All drilling licenses expire in 2025.

Neither VTB nor Rockefeller Oil have commented as of early Thursday.

Tehneftinvesta was registered in 2002, and went bankrupt in the 2008 financial crisis, and was liquidated in November 2012, with VTB as the main lender. In 2009, the Moscow Arbitration Court ruled Tehneftinvesta had to pay VTB at first $469 million, and then later $291.5 million.

The Rockefeller Oil Company is a successor to Standard Oil, which was the largest oil refiner in the world before it was ruled illegal by the US Supreme Court over a hundred years ago, and broken into several successor companies, including Chevron, Conoco, and Exxon.

[Len Colby]

For those interested in seeing how closely the activities of Chechen terrorists dovetailed with the requirements of Anglo-American petro-strategic objectives in the 1990s, a wonderfully succinct account follows:

http://beforeitsnews...on-2431184.html

Boston Marathon Attacks, Chechnya And Oil – The Hidden U.S. Connection

By Submitted by John Daly of OilPrice.com

Thursday, April 25, 2013 14:58

As Boston and U.S. security agencies congratulate themselves over the apparent neutralization of a pair of Chechens that bombed the Boston Marathon, troubling questions are beginning to arise.

First and foremost is, why a pair of Chechens, born in the former Soviet republic of Kyrgyzstan, apparently committed the attack?

[...]

Thanks for posting that, finally you've posted something that appears to be reliable but it doesn't help you with your theories to the contrary it explains why the bothers would have been so pissed off.

The Rockefeller article doesn't help you either.

[Len Colby]

Boston bombs: the Canadian boxer and the terror recruiter who 'led Tsarnaev on path to jihad'

A Canadian boxer who was killed while fighting with jihadists in Russia has emerged as a key contact who may have set the elder Boston bomber on his path to violent extremism.

Tsarnaev came on to the radar of Dagestan's anti-extremism unit when he was seen 'more than once' with Nidal Photo: Getty Images

By Tom Parfitt, Moscow

11:00PM BST 28 Apr 2013

In what could be a breakthrough in the attempt to understand how Tamerlan Tsarnaev – himself a skilled boxer – became radicalised and turned to violence, Moscow's respected Novaya Gazetanewspaper revealed his links with William Plotnikov, who was killed in a battle with security forces in the troubled southern Russian republic of Dagestan last year.

During his visit to Dagestan last year, Tsarnaev also met on several occasions a terrorist of mixed Dagestani and Palestinian parentage, who was being closely watched by the Russian security services. That man, Makhmud Mansur Nidal, had been under surveillance for six months as a suspected recruiter for Islamist insurgents fighting Moscow's rule in the region.

[...]

http://www.telegraph...h-to-jihad.html

Edited April 30, 2013 by Len Colby

[Len Colby]

No Sign 'Misha' Tied To Boston Bombing: Officials

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/27/misha-boston-bombing_n_3171285.html

Boston Bomb Reportedly Contained Traces Of Female DNA, Authorities Say

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/27/misha-boston-bombing_n_3171285.html

[Pamela Brown]

Just want to toss out some impressions, as this situation becomes increasingly troubling --

Apparently, just as the FBI was getting somewhere with their questioning, AG Holder steps in and makes sure DT is read his Miranda rights. Of course, once that is done, he quits talking on advice of his lawyer.

DT is determined to be treated not as an 'enemy combatant', whatever that means, but as a normal criminal with federal charges filed against him.

Then, people DT and Tamerlan might possibly, or conceivably, have been involved with, who might have provided them with information and/or practice to assure that their attack was successful, seem to be dropping like flies at the hands of the Russians.

Oh, and the Russians were the ones who provided intelligence to FBI which they chose to 'ignore', including at least one wiretap of the Mother, who may have been egging the boys on.

So, do we in fact actually have a situation comparable to LHO and the JFK assassination where there are 'two lone nuts' as opposed to a bone fide conspiracy?

Edited April 30, 2013 by Pamela Brown

[Paul Rigby]

For those interested in seeing how closely the activities of Chechen terrorists dovetailed with the requirements of Anglo-American petro-strategic objectives in the 1990s, a wonderfully succinct account follows:

http://beforeitsnews...on-2431184.html

Boston Marathon Attacks, Chechnya And Oil – The Hidden U.S. Connection

By Submitted by John Daly of OilPrice.com

Thursday, April 25, 2013 14:58

As Boston and U.S. security agencies congratulate themselves over the apparent neutralization of a pair of Chechens that bombed the Boston Marathon, troubling questions are beginning to arise.

First and foremost is, why a pair of Chechens, born in the former Soviet republic of Kyrgyzstan, apparently committed the attack?

[...]

Thanks for posting that, finally you've posted something that appears to be reliable but it doesn't help you with your theories. To the contrary it explains why the bothers would have been so pissed off.

Like this one, Len, it's a real goer: Chechen terrorists bomb homeland of sponsors of Chechen terrorism in order to win more support from the country they've just bombed.

I tried to do the genius of this line of reasoning justice, but I suspect I've fallen short.

Some missions, it would appear, really are impossible.