Ian Lloyd Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Shelley is eliminated by his testimony Shelley's testimony is suspect on many counts, but I don't think he's Prayer Man because of the clothing differences. It seems you can barely make out Prayer Man's t-shirt or bare chest under his dark shirt. Shelley was wearing a suit and tie that day. --Tommy Tommy, Would you please direct me to where this is stated as fact please. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Lloyd Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Is it just me, or does PM disappear from some of these visuals, only to reappear in others? Also, wasn't LHO supposed to be dressed in a t-shirt when he was seen after the shooting by a woman TSBD office worker? PM is not dressed in a t-shirt in the Wiegman, Darnell, Couch films. BM That was Mrs Reid. I believe she got on board with her boss, Mr Truly (who penciled her name in the margin of his statement) by changing the time she had seen Oswald to corroborate the 2nd floor myth. Didn't some of LHO's other co-workers (Frazier, Jarman, Norman, BRW?) also testify that he usually took off his shirt or jacket and worked wearing just a white tee-shirt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Shelley is eliminated by his testimony Shelley's testimony is suspect on many counts, but I don't think he's Prayer Man because of the clothing differences. It seems you can barely make out Prayer Man's t-shirt or bare chest under his dark shirt. Shelley was wearing a suit and tie that day. --Tommy Tommy, Would you please direct me to where this is stated as fact please. Thanks. Ian, It is photographically "stated as fact." You know, the photographs and film clips which show Shelley (circled in red, below), Danny Arce, and Bonnie Ray Williams being escorted to and getting into the police car? William Shelley on the far right in this clip. Detective Brown in the flashing red circle. Do you know of any documents which "state as fact" anything to the contrary? If so, would you please direct me to them please? Thanks. Edited April 8, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Lloyd Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Thank you Tommy. Since I know of nothing to contrary, it must therefore be true that he wore a shirt and tie? I'm not trying to be clever or awkward, just trying to work out the PM and Shelley conundrum in my own mind - I've probably missed the absolutely positive ID of Shelley somewhere along the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Shelley is eliminated by his testimony Shelley's testimony is suspect on many counts, but I don't think he's Prayer Man because of the clothing differences. It seems you can barely make out Prayer Man's t-shirt or bare chest under his dark shirt. Shelley was wearing a suit and tie that day. --Tommy Tommy, Would you please direct me to where this is stated as fact please. Thanks. Ian, It is photographically "stated as fact." You know, the photographs and film clips which show Shelley (circled in red, below), Danny Arce, and Bonnie Ray Williams being escorted to and getting into the police car? Do you know of any documents which "state as fact" anything to the contrary? If so, would you please direct me to them please? Thanks. bumped for Ian Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Shelley is eliminated by his testimony Shelley's testimony is suspect on many counts, but I don't think he's Prayer Man because of the clothing differences. It seems you can barely make out Prayer Man's t-shirt or bare chest under his dark shirt. Shelley was wearing a suit and tie that day. --Tommy Tommy, Would you please direct me to where this is stated as fact please. Thanks. Ian, It is photographically "stated as fact." You know, the photographs and film clips which show Shelley (circled in red, below), Danny Arce, and Bonnie Ray Williams being escorted to and getting into the police car? William Shelley on the far right in this clip. Detective Brown in the flashing red circle. Do you know of any documents which "state as fact" anything to the contrary? If so, would you please direct me to them please? Thanks. bumped again Edited April 8, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Lloyd Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Thanks Tommy - has this photograph been confirmed as Shelley i.e. compared to a contemporaneous photograph of him or someone positively identifying him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Lloyd Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I've just thought - I need to check affidavits and testimony of BRW as he may have said that he was taken to the DPD with Arce and Shelley?... Just seen the GIF - the red circle seems to appear around a different person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Lloyd Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Oops, just saw your line above the GIF...sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Oops, just saw your line above the GIF...sorry. Ian, There are only a couple of "verified" photographs of William Shelley before the assassination. Have you tried googling "william h shelley" (in quotation marks) and then clicking on "images"? --Tommy William Hoyt Shelley's high school photograph. As found on Greg Parker's wonderful ROKC website. Shelley having coffee and talking to reporters inside the TSBD. Edited April 8, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Lloyd Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Thanks all - So, it certainly looks like it's Shelley. In which case I also doubt very much that he is the same person as the person shown as figure 'E' in the photograph shown in post 1831. Also extremely unlikely to be PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Lloyd Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Could the guy standing in the background under the tree be the person shown as figure 'E' in the TSBD doorway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris Davidson Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Look folks, there is something definitely wrong here. Look at this photo again: From what I am being told about the gif. of Lovelady and PM, PM looks shorter because he is backed up against the glass of the entrance, and Lovelady is out toward the front edge of the landing. Perspective makes PM appear shorter than he really is, right? So, if Wesley Frazier is six feet tall, and appears to be close to the glass, too, in the photo above, can perspective make him look almost a foot taller than PM, if PM is Oswald and supposedly 5'9" tall? Just a few posts back, we were using Frazier's obvious height to identify him in this photo. Funny how quickly things change. http://www18.zippyshare.com/v/IaSz27oZ/file.html Robert, We might be able to make a similar comparison in terms of a "distance/size" relationship between these men and the Darnell frame. chris Edited April 8, 2015 by Chris Davidson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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