Robert Mady Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) Allow me reiterate: Hughes film shows PRAYER MAN on the steps, he steps forward and shields his eyes from the sun, he then steps back and takes his hand down. Altgens #6 shows, DOORMAN (OSWALD) and MAN SHIELDING EYES (LOVELADY) on the steps (Z-255) Wiegman film shows PRAYER MAN, DOORMAN and MAN SHIELDING EYES still on the steps Couch film shows PRAYER MAN still on the steps, DOORMAN and MAN SHIELDING EYES are absent from the steps Couch film shows BAKER run into the TSBD - LOVELADY claimed to see this from 25 or so steps down the street, remember BAKER claims to be on the second floor in less than 90 seconds. This gives timing of the clip. Couch film shows DP officer running down the street, also claimed to be seen by LOVELADY Couch film shows SHELLEY and LOVELADY walking down the street toward the rail yards, in the position to see both BAKER and DP officer. The Couch film combined with Wiegman film is absolute proof that SHELLEY and LOVELADY are the two individuals seen walking down the street within seconds following the assassination. If they talked to Gloria it was only for a few seconds. There could not have been any more time than this. Since PRAYER MAN is still on the steps in Couch film, he can not possibly be LOVELADY, because LOVELADY is seen walking down the street with SHELLEY while PRAYER MAN can still be seen on the steps. SHELLEY and LOVELADY immediately following the shots, walk to the rail yard, but are frightened when they see the DP officer running before them pulling his gun, SHELLEY and LOVELADY then duck into the dock of the TSBD and reenter the TSBD, LOVELADY does NOT return to the steps. Edited December 1, 2014 by Robert Mady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Ray, no I believe DOORMAN is wearing shirt that OSWALD had on when he was arrested. So you think that the shirt Oswald is wearing in this photo is the same as the shirt Doorman is wearing? Bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Mady Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) Sorry Ray, just got back on and was answering James inquiry, Yes Ray, I believe that the shirt that OSWALD was arrested in was most likely the same shirt as on DOORMAN. IF not the exact same shirt it has many similarities. The alternate point is LOVELADYS shirt is not a match for DOORMANS shirt. Plus I believe there is more than sufficient evidence already posted proving that LOVELADY is MAN SHIELDING EYES / man walking with SHELLEY and could in no way be a match for DOORMAN. May I ask what your point may be about the shirt? Edited December 1, 2014 by Robert Mady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) The two shirts are totally different. Doorman is wearing a plaid shirt. Oswald is wearing a shirt with a very small pattern. Here is Doorman's shirt bucket filled with two different colors. The above shirt matches the shirt that Lovely is wearing in the DPD photos. Edited December 1, 2014 by Ray Mitcham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Mady Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) Ray, I appreciate your opinion on DOORMANS shirt being a plaid, although IMO it is not plaid, the image is too small to determine if there is a pattern. If DOORMAN is not OSWALD, who is he? Ray, what do you believe you colored in? That is most probably ROY LEWIS's arm and hand, it is not a part of DOORMAN. ROY LEWIS is many feet in front of DOORMAN, DOORMANS arm could not extend to space where LEWIS is located. Edited December 1, 2014 by Robert Mady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) Ray, I appreciate your opinion on DOORMANS shirt being a plaid, although IMO it is not plaid, the image is too small to determine if there is a pattern. yet you can tell the color of Doorman's irises? Stop kidding me. If DOORMAN is not OSWALD, who is he? Lovelady. Ray, what do you believe you colored in? Doorman's sleeve. That is most probably ROY LEWIS's arm and hand, it is not a part of DOORMAN No "probably". You are wrong. It is Doorman's arm. ROY LEWIS is many feet in front of DOORMAN, DORMANS arm could not extend to space where LEWIS is located. It isn't Lewis's arm. It is Doorman's. Edited December 1, 2014 by Ray Mitcham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Mady Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) From what I understand of Cinques work, I believe he pointed out the cut and lay of the shirts seen on DOORMAN and OSWALD are similar as well as some of the visible details being similar, I can see that this is true. The depth of shade is also similar. Conflicting with this is LOVELADY in his plaid shirt, it does not have the same cut or the same lay, they are definitely dissimilar. Plus LOVELADYS shirt is a plaid, and I don't believe the DOORMAN shirt is plaid, IMO Edited December 1, 2014 by Robert Mady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) I note you haven't mentioned how you can tell the color of Doorman's eyes from an image that is too small to show a plaid. This is Doorman's stance. shirt outlined in yellow. Edited December 1, 2014 by Ray Mitcham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 From what I understand of Cinques work, I believe he pointed out the cut and lay of the shirts seen on DOORMAN and OSWALD are similar as well as some of the visible details being similar, I can see that this is true. The depth of shade is also similar. Conflicting with this is LOVELADY in his plaid shirt, it does not have the same cut or the same lay, they are definitely dissimilar. Plus LOVELADYS shirt is a plaid, and I don't believe the DOORMAN shirt is plaid, IMO In the photo above. if what you have shown is Lewis's arm then he must be deformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Mady Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 Ray, why do you think the FBI attempted to mimic the shirt seen on DOORMAN with LOVELADY photographs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 With all due respect, Ray, why would Doorman have his hand on the chest of the black fellow in front of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 They didn't there is no comparison. It is Lovelady. The shirt is the correct, the hair is correct. Both match the later photos of Lovely. Give it up, Bob. Not only are you are barking up the wrong tree. Seems you are in the wrong forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Mady Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 Robert, did I properly address your questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 With all due respect, Ray, why would Doorman have his hand on the chest of the black fellow in front of him? Hi Bob. He hasn't .The black guy's body can't be seen as it is behind the building corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) From what I understand of Cinques work, I believe he pointed out the cut and lay of the shirts seen on DOORMAN and OSWALD are similar as well as some of the visible details being similar, I can see that this is true. The depth of shade is also similar. Conflicting with this is LOVELADY in his plaid shirt, it does not have the same cut or the same lay, they are definitely dissimilar. Plus LOVELADYS shirt is a plaid, and I don't believe the DOORMAN shirt is plaid, IMO The black guy (Lewis?) in front of Doorman is wearing a white shirt, so what you say is his arm, can't be. educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20354&page=6 Doorman's shirt is plaid. Oswald's isn't. You are seeing what you want to see. Edited December 1, 2014 by Ray Mitcham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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