Challenge for Paul Trejo -- Why would the US Government cover up a Gen. Walker conspiracy?

[Michael Clark]

37 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

Jason,

The following is my opinion.

It is a slight detour -- but I want to repeat again that I accept Marina Oswald's insistence that Lee Harvey Oswald told her repeatedly -- and she testified repeatedly -- that he was going to Mexico City in order to get to Cuba.  Not Russia.  Cuba.  Only Cuba.   No place else.

The one and only reason that Lee Harvey Oswald went to the Russian Embassy in Mexico City was because the Cuban Consulate turned him down flat for a Visa to get to Cuba -- despite his Fake FPCC "credentials."   They dared him to go to the Russians -- and Oswald took the dare.  

My further evidence is that when Oswald returned from the Russian Embassy, he lied to the Cuban Consulate clerk, telling her that the Russians said everything was OK.  Naturally, she called the Russians right away, and the Russians told her everything was not OK.  So she called her manager.

Her manager escorted Oswald out of the Consulate.   My point is that there WAS NEVER TO BE ANY RUSSIAN VISA.  Never.

So -- the question now becomes this -- where did the Radical Right get the rumor that Lee Harvey Oswald was looking for a Russian Visa?

There is only one explanation that I can find for this -- and his name is FBI agent James Hosty.   This, actually, is the main theme of James Hosty's book, Assignment Oswald (1996), from beginning to middle to the end -- namely, that the purpose of Oswald's visit to Mexico City was to meet Kostikov.   He said he knew this only weeks after it happened.

Well -- the Kostikov connection was really a CIA secret.  So, how did James Hosty know?   This is part of the JFK conspiracy, IMHO.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Paul's fabrications in bold, above. Bold is mine.

 

 

Paul, we have been through this before. You cannot claim ignorance. 

 

Testimony of Sylvia Duran:

 "Cornwell - When he first asked about the requirements for a visa, did he tell you that his objective was to go to cuba or to another country?
TIRADO - To the Soviet Union."

 

And, in case the reader is unfamiliar with Paul's fiction, according to Paul, LHO was trying to get all this in-Transit to Russia, Via Havana stuff done, with his Manlicher Carcano rifle in a duffel bag, so he could kill Castro on the layover. That is Paul's story and he repeats his Consulate visit fiction every time. He never provides evidence or testimony and he disregards the testimony of Sylvia Duran, every time.

 

Edited August 28, 2017 by Michael Clark

[Jason Ward]

46 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

Paul's fabrications in bold, above. Bold is mine.

 

 

Paul, we have been through this before. You cannot claim ignorance. 

 

Testimony of Sylvia Duran:

 "Cornwell - When he first asked about the requirements for a visa, did he tell you that his objective was to go to cuba or to another country?
TIRADO - To the Soviet Union."

 

And, in case the reader is unfamiliar with Paul's fiction, according to Paul, LHO was trying to get all this in-Transit to Russia, Via Havana stuff done, with his Manlicher Carcano rifle in a duffel bag, so he could kill Castro on the layover. That is Paul's story and he repeats his Consulate visit fiction every time. He never provides evidence or testimony and he disregards the testimony of Sylvia Duran, every time.

 

Hi Michael,

Marina did in fact say Oswald wanted to go to Cuba, IIRC.  She said nothing about LHO going to Mexico in order to get to Russia, agree?   

Isn't it Paul's suggestion here that Oswald is using the ostensible destination of the USSR in order to more quickly get to Cuba?   Isn't the implication here that Cuba is more likely to grant a transit visa than some kind of more permanent visa?   Is this really so outrageous as to deny with such certainty?

The details of what I'm about to say are sketchy and come from some of the less trustworthy characters in all this, but I think there it is reasonable to suppose Oswald imagines he will be evacuated from Dallas on 22Nov; don't you agree?   David Ferrie or Quentin Pino Machado or Tosh Plumlee, et al., have been mentioned as planned evacuation facilitators.   We are drifting more and more into supposition now but I think furthermore, it is reasonable to assume that not only did LHO believe he would be evacuated from Dallas ASAP, but that he also thought he was going to Cuba for awhile.   Hence the need for a Cuban visa.   But, perhaps he really wanted to go to Moscow; in fact we just don't know for sure.

Now, I agree that once we get beyond [what I consider to be] Marina's factual recollection of what she was told by LHO, we are all kind of guessing about what did happen or what was intended to happen in MC and with the visas.  As usual, I don't want to get in between your feud with Paul, but it seems to me this comes down to a relatively minor detail, i.e. whether Oswald plans to go to Havana and stay for awhile, or go to Havana and then go on to Moscow.   It's not really something we can say with certainty and a case for either destination can be made, don't you think?

 

Jason

[Michael Clark]

22 minutes ago, Jason Ward said:

Hi Michael,

Marina did in fact say Oswald wanted to go to Cuba, IIRC.  She said nothing about LHO going to Mexico in order to get to Russia, agree?   

Isn't it Paul's suggestion here that Oswald is using the ostensible destination of the USSR in order to more quickly get to Cuba?   Isn't the implication here that Cuba is more likely to grant a transit visa than some kind of more permanent visa?   Is this really so outrageous as to deny with such certainty?

The details of what I'm about to say are sketchy and come from some of the less trustworthy characters in all this, but I think there it is reasonable to suppose Oswald imagines he will be evacuated from Dallas on 22Nov; don't you agree?   David Ferrie or Quentin Pino Machado or Tosh Plumlee, et al., have been mentioned as planned evacuation facilitators.   We are drifting more and more into supposition now but I think furthermore, it is reasonable to assume that not only did LHO believe he would be evacuated from Dallas ASAP, but that he also thought he was going to Cuba for awhile.   Hence the need for a Cuban visa.   But, perhaps he really wanted to go to Moscow; in fact we just don't know for sure.

Now, I agree that once we get beyond [what I consider to be] Marina's factual recollection of what she was told by LHO, we are all kind of guessing about what did happen or what was intended to happen in MC and with the visas.  As usual, I don't want to get in between your feud with Paul, but it seems to me this comes down to a relatively minor detail, i.e. whether Oswald plans to go to Havana and stay for awhile, or go to Havana and then go on to Moscow.   It's not really something we can say with certainty and a case for either destination can be made, don't you think?

 

Jason

Jason: for your information:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscadurn.htm

[Jason Ward]

24 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

Jason: for your information:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscadurn.htm

Hi Michael, 

Don't you think a fair argument can be made by reading Sylvia's entire testimony that Oswald only said he wanted to go to Russia because he determined an in-transit visa to Cuba was much easier to get than a regular visitor's visa???

 Sylvia says a regular Cuban visa requires friends in Cuba or the help of the American Communist Party.  Absent either of those, for someone who wants to get to Cuba, isn't a transit visa the only immediate option?

    "TIRADO - Yes, he, well, he enter and he ask me if I speak english and I say yes, and the he start asking me about requirements to get to Cuba, to get a visa to go to Cuba..."

 

 

 

[Michael Clark]

1 hour ago, Jason Ward said:

Hi Michael, 

Don't you think a fair argument can be made by reading Sylvia's entire testimony that Oswald only said he wanted to go to Russia because he determined an in-transit visa to Cuba was much easier to get than a regular visitor's visa???

 Sylvia says a regular Cuban visa requires friends in Cuba or the help of the American Communist Party.  Absent either of those, for someone who wants to get to Cuba, isn't a transit visa the only immediate option?

    "TIRADO - Yes, he, well, he enter and he ask me if I speak english and I say yes, and the he start asking me about requirements to get to Cuba, to get a visa to go to Cuba..."

 

 

 

Jason said:

"Don't you think a fair argument can be made by reading Sylvia's entire testimony that Oswald only said he wanted to go to Russia because he determined an in-transit visa to Cuba was much easier to get than a regular visitor's visa???

 Sylvia says a regular Cuban visa requires friends in Cuba or the help of the American Communist Party.  Absent either of those, for someone who wants to get to Cuba, isn't a transit visa the only immediate option?

    "TIRADO - Yes, he, well, he enter and he ask me if I speak english and I say yes, and the he start asking me about requirements to get to Cuba, to get a visa to go to Cuba...""

Jason, IMO.... no; not with any sense of honesty. 

I apreciate your having read and used the Duran testimony. If you have another run through it to see if Trejo's take passes the smell-test, rather than using an eye towards whether he can be defended, I think you might say not. Take into consideration that Trejo does not even suggest that this is "his-reading", as he has recently struggled to do. Its just another Trejo Christmas Turkey. Trejo should have used the testimony in his fibble. It is worse than disingenuous not to do so.

Edited August 28, 2017 by Michael Clark

[David Andrews]

Gerry Hemming - God rest his obfuscations - pointed out that a lot of people and groups threw money at the Kennedy hit, and that afterward the lot of them could be bullied into quiescence by knowledge of their guilty actions among the real powers.  Hemming also said that after the assassination he could tell the difference between the behavior of the ones who had merely desired the hit, and the way the ones who actually were in on it handled affairs.  Something in both statements, I suspect, when considering Walker and the JBS.

I can't cite the chapters and verses of these remarks in Hemming, but Hemming-watchers will find these paraphrases familiar.

I put Walker, Rousselot, Gabaldon, and the JBS - an organization that some would have us believe was as powerful as the Latter Day Saints - among Hemming's first groupings of hapless b******s.  However, I can't rule out Walker as a player in Oswald's defection and (especially) in organizing Kennedy hatred in the US and Europe.  Trejo will find this encouraging and write paragraphs on it.  I'll read them, but not be converted and baptized.

The JBS?  Good God!  Where are they today?  On the barricades at Charlottesville?  This day, I tell thee, they're beneath Trump's notice.  As Trejo points out, Walker became a minor millionaire only through lawsuits - something even Howard Hunt could have pulled off, had he fewer enemies.

See you in the morning, Paul.  I'll be there by afternoon, like Claude Rains in Casablanca.

Edited August 28, 2017 by David Andrews

[Paul Trejo]

On ‎8‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 0:17 AM, David Andrews said:

CORRECTED  --  West Palm Beach (not Miami)

BUMP.   

Edited August 29, 2017 by Paul Trejo
typos

[Chris Newton]

4 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

He also said that Hoover attempted to set him up personally, as well as some of his Interpen guys, for an attempted JFK assassination in Miami.  He said that on this very JFK Forum.  Hemming said (IIRC) that Hoover's goons contacted Hemming and offered Interpen a lot of money to show up at the Miami Airport with their weapons when JFK arrived.  Hemming knew it was Hoover behind it, and he agreed.  Then he and his Interpen guys showed up at the Miami Airport without their weapons.

I heard a version of this from Hemming but it was West Palm Beach not Miami. Hemming was at the time in the "Glades" i.e Belle Glade with INTERPEN. Belle Glade to West Palm Beach is a straight shot down Southern Blvd. (US 441).

Do you have citations that put this event in Miami?

 

[Paul Trejo]

1 hour ago, Chris Newton said:

I heard a version of this from Hemming but it was West Palm Beach not Miami. Hemming was at the time in the "Glades" i.e Belle Glade with INTERPEN. Belle Glade to West Palm Beach is a straight shot down Southern Blvd. (US 441).

Do you have citations that put this event in Miami?

Chris,

I think you may be correct.  As I said, "IIRC."   I knew it was Florida.  His story is still on the Forum from many, many years ago, and I haven't found it again.

Was there an airport in 1963 in West Palm Beach into which JFK would have flown?

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

[Chris Newton]

1 minute ago, Paul Trejo said:

Was there an airport in 1963 in West Palm Beach into which JFK would have flown?

Yes and I have spoken to a County Judge that was one of the persons that greeted JFK on the tarmac at WPB. Remember that the Kennedys had a compound on Palm Beach and a bunker on Peanut island. West Palm Int'l was a frequent stop for JFK.

[Paul Trejo]

5 minutes ago, Chris Newton said:

Yes and I have spoken to a County Judge that was one of the persons that greeted JFK on the tarmac at WPB. Remember that the Kennedys had a compound on Palm Beach and a bunker on Peanut island. West Palm Int'l was a frequent stop for JFK.

Chris,

OK, thanks.  Then it was my mistake.   West Palm Beach -- that's what Gerry Patrick Hemming said.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Edited August 28, 2017 by Paul Trejo

[Paul Trejo]

On ‎8‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 0:17 AM, David Andrews said:

Gerry Hemming - God rest his obfuscations - pointed out that a lot of people and groups threw money at the Kennedy hit, and that afterward the lot of them could be bullied into quiescence by knowledge of their guilty actions among the real powers.  Hemming also said that after the assassination he could tell the difference between the behavior of the ones who had merely desired the hit, and the way the ones who actually were in on it handled affairs.  Something in both statements, I suspect, when considering Walker and the JBS.

I can't cite the chapters and verses of these remarks in Hemming, but Hemming-watchers will find these paraphrases familiar.

I put Walker, Rousselot, Gabaldon, and the JBS - an organization that some would have us believe was as powerful as the Latter Day Saints - among Hemming's first groupings of hapless b******s.  However, I can't rule out Walker as a player in Oswald's defection and (especially) in organizing Kennedy hatred in the US and Europe.  Trejo will find this encouraging and write paragraphs on it.  I'll read them, but not be converted and baptized.

The JBS?  Good God!  Where are they today?  On the barricades at Charlottesville?  This day, I tell thee, they're beneath Trump's notice.  As Trejo points out, Walker became a minor millionaire only through lawsuits - something even Howard Hunt could have pulled off, had he fewer enemies.

See you in the morning, Paul.  I'll be there by afternoon, like Claude Rains in Casablanca.

David,

It was on this very JFK Forum that Gerry Patrick Hemming explained that the Mafia was so busy hitting all these JFK plot blackmailers that he could not risk telling the truth.

He also said that J. Edgar Hoover attempted to set him up personally, along with some of his Interpen guys, for an attempted JFK assassination in West Palm Beach, Florida.  He said that on this very JFK Forum.  Hemming said (thanks to Chris Newton for his help) that Hoover's goons contacted Hemming and offered Interpen a lot of money to show up at the West Palm Beach Airport with their weapons when JFK arrived.  Hemming knew it was Hoover behind it, and he agreed.  Then he and his Interpen guys showed up at the West Palm Beach Airport without their weapons.  When the FBI descended upon them -- they were unarmed!  Fooled Hoover.

The reason that Hoover attempted to set Interpen up for this bust was because he found out that RFK had paid Hemming very well to find dirt on Hoover.   Hemming just bought  a few kilos of marijuana with some of the money, took it down to the slums of Florida, and soon found actual photographs of Hoover in drag at a drunken party.  Hoover's blackmail of the Kennedy's was over -- but Hoover wanted revenge.  That's Hemming's story.

ANYWAY-- the following is my opinion.

If Walker was involved in the JFK assassination, then some JBS rogues were also involved -- especially those who doubled as Minutemen -- like Harry Dean.  The fact remains that Guy Gabaldon was also a member of the JBS in SoCal along with Harry Dean, and that Loran Hall and Larry Howard worshipped Guy Gabaldon.   The fact remains that Congressman John Rousselot owned the building in which that JBS group met, and he gave JBS speeches there regularly.   Walker also gave speeches at that JBS center in SoCal.   All that is verifiable fact.

The rest is hear-say -- but the pieces fit, I say.

The JBS has evolved since 1963, as one can imagine.  Children of the JBS are now leaders of the Radical Right -- including the Koch brothers.  Didn't you know?

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Edited August 29, 2017 by Paul Trejo

[Michael Clark]

On 8/20/2017 at 3:48 PM, Paul Trejo said:

Sandy,

Although I agree that I have no smoking gun (and neither do you), I will also appeal to the latest FBI files that have not yet been released by the US Government to this very day.   I expect to see:

1.  FBI files on Ex-General Walker, showing repeated signs of anti-Government activity.

2.  FBI files on Dallas Rightists, showing repeated signs of anti-Government activity.

3.  FBI files recognizing that Ex-General Walker was behind the Dallas humiliation of Adlai Stevenson only 30 days before the JFK assassination.

4.  FBI files recognizing that the JBS was behind both the WANTED FOR TREASON: JFK handbill, as well as the WELCOME TO DALLAS MR. KENNEDY black-bordered ad in the DMN.

5.  FBI files recognizing that those who were loudly claiming a Communist plot against JFK were all among the Dallas Right-wing -- and they had no evidence.

6.  FBI files recognizing that Lee Harvey Oswald had been working for the Radical Right at 544 Camp Street in New Orleans.

In other words, the near-certainty of J. Edgar Hoover that the Radical Right in the South was plotting to kill JFK already.   This would of course include Joseph Milteer as reported by Willie Somerset for some months before the actual JFK murder.

In other words, J. Edgar Hoover would not have been surprised in the slightest after adding up all the evidence by 3pm EST on 11/22/1963.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Is Trejo off crow hunting?